BTSC 2011 Community Mock Draft Pick No. 10 -- Washington Redskins Select Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, UNC

by John Stephens on Mar 18, 2011 8:48 AM EDT in 2011 BTSC Community Mock Draft

Can the Redskins just chose to draft an entire team? They might actually end up being further along in the rebuilding phase if they did. Anyway, next up on the clock is user mojo88 with the Houston Texans. - John. S. -

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First, lets take a look at the positional needs for the Washington Redskins: QB, WR, RB, OLB, ILB, NT, CB, RE, FS, RG, C, FB, K, P, a new owner that does not suck. Ideally, the Redskins want to pick up a new owner here since Dan Snyder is the worst in the league. However, none of the available names fit BOA, so instead they will have to go by BPA. In all seriousness, the Redskins are a rebuilding team considering their needs are basically an entire team. Therefore, I am going to draft solely based on BPA.

Robert Quinn is the best name left on the board. At 6'5 265, Quinn could be the perfect compliment to Brian Orakpo in a pass rush that could challenge the best offensive lines in the league. Quinn is an exceptional athlete and is arguably the best pass rusher in the draft. He has the ability to get around the edge and a good burst to pursue the QB. Additionally, he has the speed and agility to drop into coverage when necessary

However, it is not all sunshine and smiles with Quinn. There is a downside. His support in the run game is not where it should be. He can get pushed around in the run game and has not shown an ability to get to the ball carrier. Additionally, he really only has one pass rush move which is the burst and hook around the edge. Lastly, he missed his entire junior year because of his poor decision making off the field. He violated NCAA rules when he was receiving a little bit on the side.

This video shows him against one of the best Tackles in the draft, Anthony Castonzo.

Robert Quinn vs. Anthony Castonzo (via AloAloysius)

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"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Mar 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions

If you're comfortable with him sitting a year last year

This is a good pick. Pair him with Orakpo, and you’ve got two pieces who will get at the QB and help improve that defense. It all starts with getting that QB, and this will certainly help them do that.

Also, if this is a pick that is open to trade, as rumored, and Amukamara is still on the board (unlike in this mock), the Steelers might be interested if they’re trading up at all.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions

I dont believe the Steelers have enough assets to trade up to 10

But I would love to get Amukamara.

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by Michael Uhlhorn on Mar 18, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

This I have to agree with.

I don’t have a draft value chart to go off of, but I know it would be costly.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

I think when I looked at one

The highest they could move up was to 14 or 15. And that is with every pick.

It will be harder to move up with players unable to be traded.

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by Michael Uhlhorn on Mar 18, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Without players involved it would likely be impossible then.

My heart is not broken at all.

But, if we can involve players at some point, this is a team in transition and I would think almost anyone “expendable” to us would be trade-able to them. They’re trying to build a 3-4 and trying to build an entire offense essentially. For some reason I think Dwyer is a Shanahan type back, or at least can be, but he doesn’t have nearly the value that would make him worth it, even paired with a few picks (at least I would think he doesn’t). A group of players combined with a few picks would most likely be required for something like this I guess, and I don’t think it’s worth it personally.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

Id rather part with Sweed

And picks. Maybe throw in Keenan Lewis.

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by Michael Uhlhorn on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions

If Dwyer offers little value as an unknown...

Then Sweed offers even less, given what is known about the little he has played, at least in my opinion.

Dwyer offers more value as an unknown commodity, based off of potential, at least I would think.

Neither offers very much in terms of trade-capital.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

True

I dont think a trade like that could happen any way you slice it, but I would like to see the Steelers move up.

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by Michael Uhlhorn on Mar 18, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Just curious

What would you trade to get this high? Maybe pair Dixon with some draft picks?

"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Mar 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Not sure really, I'm not a huge trade-up advocate.

But I have heard several a rumor that Washington is open to a trade. Possibly our first and third this year, and some sort of perfomence based pick or picks that change depending on what Amukamara does. Maybe all that paired with a player or two if allowed. I’m not sure.

I’m not for moving up personally, but if we are this is just an option (based off of rumor).

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I really do not like giving up future picks, because you never know how valuable they will be or how much you will need them. The only way I would consider it is if they were interested in taking like Dixon and a 3rd and later pick. Or maybe Aaron Smith (doubt it is even an option), Dixon, and a 3rd. All those seem unrealistic.

The only trade-up I would do is if Pouncey fell to the mid to low 20s. That would be really enticing.

"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Mar 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I bet Pouncey ends up off the board before 20 though. Detroit is showing interest, and Miami could be a player when all is said and done (as well as the other teams already rumored to be interested).

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions

I think Dixon and/or Dwyer and/or Lewis, plus oour first and 3 or 4 would work.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Mar 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

No way I'd give up Dwyer

"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Mar 18, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd rather not either (I really like Dwyer's potential)...

But I don’t think he’s done enough to say it should be totally off the table at the same time.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

You need to give to get

You indicated that Washington needed almost everything…so I’m trying to guess what they might take and what we might give. I’d prefer to keep everybody and just exchange first rounds! That won’t work, but to get someone like Amukamara, I can see giving up a 6th round RB. There are lots of 6th round RB’s out there. Unless you really don’t need a really, really good CB.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Mar 18, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I can give to get, but I hate giving up youth. And on that note, Washington hates youth too, lol. They would want experienced vets so maybe we could trade Lefty or Smith to them. I feel like Smith could bring a decent market value, even with the injuries. Or maybe even put Hoke on the block if we plan to grab a NT in the draft.

"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Mar 18, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Mewelde Moore, Arnaz Battle, Will Allen...

Keyaron Fox, Nick Eason…

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by Steel Spike on Mar 18, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Not likely to take UFA’s in a trade when they can just negotiate and get them w/o giving much up!

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Mar 18, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Are Battle and Allen UFA's?

Thought they both signed 2 year contracts last off season.

by Steel Spike on Mar 18, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

No

You are correct, but the other suggestions are. I could deal with dealing Battle :), but I think Will Allen has too much value to this team

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Mar 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Nah

Will Allen is expendable as well. Especially if they can draft his replacement this year. Deunta Williams, DeAndre McDaniel or Robert Sands could all be good for the Steelers, all strong safeties, and Williams would most likely be an instant upgrade from Allen.

Besides, Mundy can play both safety positions, and Damon Cromartie-Smith is still on the roster. There needs to be a youth movement for the safety positions anyway. Clark’s 31, Troy’s 29, Allen’s 28, and Mundy’s 26. Even DCS is 24, not too bad, but still.

by Steel Spike on Mar 18, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Can’t really argue the youth thing, but all three are “young”. I doubt that Washington would take somebody that couldn’t even earn a hat on gameday anyway. I am just saying that I would give up Dwyer’s very unknown potential to get Amukamara’s very likely capability…assuming getting a Cb this good is a real need.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Mar 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Washington took Willie Parker when we cut him

And Parker couldn’t even beat out the rookies for a 53 spot. Dan Snyder makes more dumb decisions than Mike Brown, which is almost impossible.

by Steel Spike on Mar 18, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

That move was actually made by Bruce Allen and Shanahan.

Believe it or not, Dan Snyder has actually given up most of the personell decisions since hiring those two.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Really??

That doesn’t sound like Danny-boy at all…Well, that may be, the fact remains, the Redskins picked him up, no matter who made the call there.

by Steel Spike on Mar 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm pretty sure, but have no sources I can link right now.

I read an interview he gave for either SI or ESPN Mag or some other print publication in which he said he has full faith in those two, but as almost any owner will tell you, I am sure he gets final say on their moves (Right Ziggy Wolf? Brad Childress knows what I’m sayin’).

The reason I actually believe him is two-fold. A, he pays Shananana a ton of money to do this, and B, he loves George Allen, Bruce’s father. Bruce’s qualifications might be less, how shall I say, impressive, but he is his father’s son, and thought of Bruce’s over the hill gang lull Dan Snyder in to a warm tranquility not unlike his mother’s arms.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Poetry

However, is it not out of the realm of possibility that Danny-boy is just stroking Shanny’s ego by telling him he’s in control? What happens when Shanny wants something/one and Danny-boy says “no”?

That organization is tore up from the floor up, and won’t get any better until ~~Mike Brown~~ Danny-boy retires.

Also, who was behind the McChoke signing? Seems whoever it is, loves to grab big name FA’s in the twilight of their careers, and destroy them.

by Steel Spike on Mar 18, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm a McNabb guy, so...

I’m still not against the move personally. How he was handled by the coaches down the sretch was not to my liking, but their explanation, while not answering all questions, isn’t a total joke either.

You have to remember, McNabb played his whole career within one system. Even as a McNabb fan, I don’t think he is fully capable of digesting an entire playbook and performing well within it in just one season (I think his Wonderlic score was in the high teens to low twenties, but don’t quote me on that I didn’t look it up). I’d be willing to bet he’ll play better this season, if given the chance.

I’ll say this, if McNabb gets traded or released again, I bet he’d perform well in San Fran, in a more pure version of a West Coast offense (a system he is more familiar with).

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 18, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions