Top 10 NFL Draft 'Busts' Of Kevin Colbert Era: No. 8 -- OLB Thaddeus Gibson, 4th Round
Sorry for not hearing much from me today. Was a particularly busy day. Anyway, onward with the top ten 'successes' and 'busts' of the Kevin Colbert era. the No. 9 bust -- Plaxico Burress -- elicited some heated debate out of several of you. That's never a bad thing. The only thing I tried to reiterate is that I hope people don't get hung up on the word 'bust' and instead think of this top ten list as those picks that were disappointing for one reason or another.
Anyway, I have my lists mapped out, but honestly, this one was the most difficult for me to decide on. There just haven't been that many major disappointments amongst Kevin Colbert's draft picks in the top several rounds over the last eleven years. Quite simply, it was hard to piece together a ten name list.
But I'm going with Thaddeus Gibson at No. 8 over guys like WR Fred Gibson (4th round, 2005), CB Keenan Lewis (3rd Round 2009), and a few others that either never made it out of camp their rookie year or failed to produce much on Sundays.
I'm keeping this post short, but it just didn't seem too logical to take another OLB/DE in the fourth round after using their second round pick on another pass rushing OLB, Jason Worilds. Now, I personally would understand the reasoning if the Steelers had made up their mind to not invest in LaMarr Woodley long term. We'll see if the Steelers opt to just let Woodley play the '11 season under the Franchise Tag before parting ways with him after next season. But most people seem to think that Woodley will eventually get locked down with a long-term deal.
At the other OLB position, James Harrison recently underwent his second back surgery, and at 33 years of age, there's no guarantee that he has more than a few more years of high quality football left in him. But if I'm Colbert, I'm very willing to gamble that Harrison will find a way to play at a high level through at least the 2012 season, and perhaps even for a few years beyond that. That leaves Worilds and Gibson sitting on their hands for more than just one or two years before getting a realistic opportunity to take over as regular contributors on defense.
Anyway, when injuries along the defensive line forced the Steelers to activate Steve McClendon in late October of last year, the Steelers were forced to waive Gibson. Had he cleared waivers, they would have been able to sign him to the practice squad. But of course, the New York Giants and San Francisco 49ers put claims in and the 49ers ultimately wound up with a young prospect. Mike Tomlin explained the situation by saying:
"Linebacker is our deepest position, and [Gibson] is the low man on the totem pole, so we had to make that necessary move. We were thin at defensive line. It's just one of the casualties of this profession. It's very much a reality, and that's why we don't take what we're doing here for granted and we acknowledge that it's precious."
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Kevin Colbert's Top 10 Draft 'Busts'
No. 9: Plaxico Burress, 1st Round, 2000
No. 10: Kendall Simmons, 1st Round, 2002
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Kevin Colbert's Top 10 Draft 'Successes'
No. 6: Willie Colon, OT, 4th Round, 2006
No. 7: LB Larry Foote, 4th Round, 2002
No. 8: OG Chris Kemoeatu, 6th Round, 2005
No. 9: OT Marvel Smith, 2nd Round, 2000
No. 10: WR Antonio Brown, 6th Round, 2010
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You are killing me with this list
I agree with everything you say regarding the way we handled Gibson. We could have done a better job to protect him on the roster and his position was deep but top 8 Colbert bust…c’mon man! First it’s way to early to judge this kid. I promise he will be an impact player.
I just hope other 4th rounders such as
Danny Farmer in 2000
Mathias Nkwenti in 2001
Fred Gibson in 2004
Orien Harris in 2005
Daniel Sepulveda in 2006( way to draft a punter with knee issues in college)
And Keenan Lewis for that matter as stated above
Are on this list.
Those guys are what I call " busts "
Maybe we can change the list to the top ten players that Colbert drafted that did not pan out while a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers
If Alonzo Jackson doesn’t come in at number 1 you lose all credibility to me.
can you tell me even ONE thing
that differentiates gibson from Farmer or F. Gibson, or O. Harris? Good luck.
Second of all, you hate my list, but you say this:
I agree with everything you say regarding the way we handled Gibson. We could have done a better job to protect him on the roster and his position was deep but top 8 Colbert bust
Okay, I’m challenging you to make a convincing argument why any of those three guys I mentioned, or Mathias Nkwenti in 2001 for that matter, should be considered bigger disappointments. Like I said, good luck. But I’m eager to see what you got since you’ve got lots of critique for my picks — which you also strangely seem to agree with when it comes to my writeups. Confusing.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 15, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Put Gibson on the list if in your mind those other guys are all on the same level insignificance and indifferential. Thad is still a rookie and has plenty to prove. Those guys are all busted. Thad can make a pro bowl. The others can’t.
by TheCommish on Apr 15, 2011 1:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
because he ain't with the steelers anymore
If he makes a Pro Bowl, so what, won’t be with Steelers. Colbert doesn’t deserve any credit if he does, because he opted to let him walk when there were options at his disposal to keep him around.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 15, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You are completely missing the point of this list
It measure expectations coming out of the draft vs. the reality of what they contributed to the Steelers. It doesn’t challenge their career.
Ex) Brett Farve was a bust to the Falcons. He never contributed for them, and they didn’t get a value for the pick they used on him. However for the Packers he is a Hall of Famer.
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by Michael Uhlhorn on Apr 15, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
this
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Apr 15, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone want to make it green?
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally disagree
to me a bust is a blown evaluation of a player and his ability to contribute to your team.
FO should not be held liable to the guy getting hit by lightning, becoming a FA, or getting cut due to poor roster management.
TO say that Favre is a bust just cements my opinion all the more. If he was a bust, how could ATL trade him for a first round pick? he clearly still had value and was therefore not a bust.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
to quote what micheal put at the beginning off this post
“The only thing I tried to reiterate is that I hope people don’t get hung up on the word ‘bust’ and instead think of this top ten list as those picks that were disappointing for one reason or another”
im pretty sure gibson is pretty dissapointing to us, in part because he cant be considered a “bust”. its a pretty dissapointing draft pick if he gets cut so quickly without him not even having time to reach his potential. we arnt a team like the lions or raiders or something like that who has a history of sucking it up on our draft picks. it seems to make this list possible we really have to expand on our definition of “bust”
by steelerintexas on Apr 15, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This
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by Michael Uhlhorn on Apr 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The pick of Gibson wasn't the disappointing part
It’s deciding to cut him.
Even if you want to define “Bust” as meaning something else, the title of the article is ‘…Draft “busts”…’.
I don’t really see the point in framing the conversation as “highly drafted players that didn’t contribute a ton to the team for any reason” and tie this to Colbert.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a sponsored series by Bud Light
of all the teams Busts and Successes. But since we’re not oakland or Miami, the steelers dont have many true busts, to take the term literally.
by Bringin' the Wood(ley) on Apr 18, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
in fact
Since you have lots of criticism, let’s see your list — with even two or three sentences about each. Let’s see if you got that in you since you seem so adamant about me being off base. Somehow I doubt myself or anyone else will be convinced. But I’d love to see you take a stab at it.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 15, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
and finally
In response to my first comment that mentioned those other fourth rounders you listed — I challenged you to say what makes them bigger busts. You won’t be able to. But that’s the point. All contributed next to nothing for the Steelers, so then it comes down to the circumstances surrounding the team and their respective positions to try to differentiate which picks were less sound than others. But I guess you already said you agreed with my logic. So go ahead and apply it to the other guys and see what you come up with.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 15, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Your challenge is accepted
Just to clarify on the logic I was agreeing with. Thad was the low man on the totem pole. I do think we could have protected him better if he meant that much. In this I agree.
Calling any player that has been in the league less than 12 months a bust. This is where I have my problems. It’s like grading a draft a week after the draft. It should never happen.
I am not here to criticize your work as it is appreciated. I do disagree with your use of the word bust. To me being a bust comes down to expectations of a players talent level and where he may fall in accordance to them after playing an NFL career.
I will surfice to your rebuttal demands. Give me some time tomorrow or perhaps we can have an open discussion or debate on fox sports radio for all of BTSC nation to hear live on I heart radio.
by TheCommish on Apr 15, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
cool
thatd be fun!
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by Michael Bean on Apr 15, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and cheers
i do have issues with your critiques, but i didn’t intend to sound excessively rude. and after re-reading, i can see that i may have. but i’m glad you accept my challenge with open arms and dont take it personal or anything.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 15, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
thaddeus gibson was drafted 13 spots higher than fred gibson & 15 spots higher than orien harris. in all of colbert’s drafting history, there was only ONE player drafted earlier and cut within his first year after being drafted (danny farmer).
you have to look at it as the draft is an investment. the steelers put a larger investment into thaddeus than fred or orien and got nothing absolutely nothing in return. even if he goes on to become an all pro player, colbert & the steelers made the poor decision to cut him after placing the investment of a mid 4th rd pick into him. either way, it was a wasted investment due in part to gibson not having enough current talent or potential to be given a protected roster spot.
Why don't people get it?
You’ve said it in every post that the word “bust” is to be taken VERY loosely. But I have to say I think this pick at #8 as a dissapointment has to be more on the FO than on Gibson. He was the low man on the totem pole, he was a young guy, but why draft him if he would be at the bottom of your deepest position?
I don’t like criticizing Colbert and the FO, It may be the most sound in the league, and they make VERY few mistakes in the drafting, but I’d have to say this is one of them. No, not every 4th round pick will be abel to stay on the roster, but why not draft a guy who at least has a chance of making it?
by Bringin' the Wood(ley) on Apr 15, 2011 7:15 AM EDT reply actions
Deepest position?
Are you kidding me?
-At that time, the lead candidate for OLB backup would have been Timmons.
-There are typically 4 roster spots for OLB on the team even when they aren’t rookies. Pre draft there were 2 openings.
-OLB is a position that’s a difficult transition for a college player to make, therefore you might want to hedge your bets with more than one talented guy.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
actually we are still short at OLB, Woodley needs a solid back up behind him besides Timmons. Woodley is still young and hardly gets hurt so we don’t need to draft a high draft pick OLB like Worilds for him because odds are he would never see the field anyways while Worilds will eventually be Harrison’s replacement.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Apr 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with us cutting Gibson.
Gibson was the ready to play LB, Worilds needed time to develop.
We needed one OLB this year. We needed another to develop. Similar to drafting Woodley/Timmons, Woodley was going to be more ready to play our system, Timmons was going to take some time. Woodley was better than we expected, Timmons took more time than we thought he would.
This year Gibson looked to be a step in and play reserve OLB/ST right now guy, while Worilds was the athlete we could turn into a LB. The problem for Gibson was he lost to Worilds. When the guy with the upside beats the help right now guy the help right now guy has no purpose. We were right to cut him.
As for being on this list, Gibson didn’t last to the season, even though Arians loved his upside and potential as a deep threat. An argument is there, but I wouldn’t say it’s clear cut. I would say Gibson should be above Burress on this list.
I have trouble with the guy who’s #7 on the career Steelers receiving yards list being above people who never did anything for us because he was taken three rounds higher and left as a free agent. Plex still holds the Steelers all-time single game receiving record with 253 yards, and the 4th best season for receiving yards too. He left early, and he wasn’t popular but he was productive enough to warrant a first round pick, and enough to warrant being left off this list.
The first Gibson is T. Gibson, the later mention with Arians is F. Gibson.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 15, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this should be changed to:
“Deciding to keep A. Smith on the active roster” with Gibson being just an innocent casualty. At Smith’s age I had some serious doubts he could make it back, and I thought losing a potential future starter on a whim that he could play again was too much of a cost.
No, Gibson didn’t produce for us as a 4th round pick, but this was 100% on Tomlin, Colbert, and to a lesser extent A. Smith. The kid did everything they asked of him, but just wound up without a spot because Smith didn’t go on IR. I know Smith wanted to come back, but at his age the odds were long that he’d return. With his recent history on injuries Smith himself should have known what his body was like and told the coaches he couldn’t make it. Save a chunk of the blame for the medical staff also who completely blew this one for the organization.
I had no problem with them using the pick on yet another OLB with Harrison’s age and Woodley’s contract situation. They hoped Worlids could replace Woodley if he wouldn’t sign, and after that they needed a backup.
by lkwdsteel on Apr 15, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Terrible call.
If you let someone go, why not release Tony Hills instead ?
by Steely McSmash on Apr 15, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Hills showed he can’t even get on the field even with all the injuries on the OL. He should have been the guy they cut and not Gibson who could have at least helped out on special teams. Plus he could have provided depth at OLB whereas Hills wasn’t even second string. Sure Gibson was deactivated during the time he was here but he still offered more than keeping Hills. A rare poor decision by the FO.
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by Black&GoldTrain on Apr 16, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i'll bet
if the steelers organization felt as highly of gibson when they were making the decision of who to cut/put on IR as they did when they used a 4th round pick on him, they wouldnt have cut gibson.
if you look colbert’s track record, his 4th rd picks turn into decent nfl starters about 50% of the time. they only cut 4th rd picks within a year of drafting them if they’re busts (think danny farmer, fred gibson, orien harris). only one that started for a while was ryan mcbean and from everything i read he was starting not because he deserved to, but because denver’s dline was that bad.
Can't say T. Gibson is a bust yet ...
The Steelers never gave him a chance to get on the field. Granted, he didn’t show enough in preseason to warrant backup playing time over Worilds or any of the other backup LBs, but not all the Steelers rookies get significant playing time their first years. I don’t agree with the Steelers decision to cut him with the hopes of holding a roster spot for Aaron Smith’s return. I don’t see the Steelers using another pick on the first two days of the draft on another OLB to play behind Woodley. I think they’ll hope one of the 3 guys they signed in the offseason and the person that was on the practice squad all year can fill that roster spot, which will mostly be won on special teams anyways. Still wish they would have given T. Gibson time to develop.
by datruth4life2.0 on Apr 15, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Thank you
T. Gibson is the poster boy for my pretend campaign not to trade down and stockpile picks next week, but rather trade up with fewer, but quality, picks. We’re at that lucky phase for any organization where we only need quality, not quantity; the FO dropped the ball with Gibson.
Does that make HIM a bust? No. Does that make his pick a bust? Most definitely. Perhaps renaming this column Top 10 NFL draft FUMBLES by Kevin Colbert would be more appropriate.
As you know, these bust labels are so hard to shake, it’s tough to hang it on young men like Gibson.
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by Flying Polamalus on Apr 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
not sure I'm buying the trade up idea
when we are starting at only 7 picks this year, and we have the following holes to fill:
OT, OG, NT, DE, CB, CB, PK, punter, and possibly FS.
If this were a normal year that actually had a FA period, then maybe we’d have filled some of those needs already, but as it stands draft picks are Golden.
Sure it’s possible that Lewis or Butler will fill one of the CB slots, but we must get at least 1 more and probably 2.
Hampton doesn’t have many years left and Hoke’s contract is up.
Smith could retire now or be cut as a cap casualty, and if he doesn’t I’m not willing to bet he’ll not be on IR anyways.
Our LG has brain damage and we still don’t have a solution at RG – plenty of room for improvement there.
At OT we may be ok with Starks and Adams this year, but we need someone to back them up and step in next year.
Lots of holes to fill and very few picks to fill them. We’d need a complete stud to fall within a few spots before I see us trading up for anybody, and that stud must be a sure bet like Pouncey’s brother which won’t happen. It’s much more likely that we trade back to get extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds where the strength of this draft is. There are plenty of players that are about the same grade between 40 and 90.
we dont NEED to fill many of these spots
On the line getting starks and colon back may make a bigger improvement to our line than any draft pick may offer. The line last year didnt play too terribly for one with as many issues as we had. I see them making a vast improvment next year even with the players we already have. A high draft pick would still be nice to have, but not neccessary if the value does not exist.
Nose tackle is also something we should only take if we can get good value. A nose tackle will have a tough time making the roster with Hampton and Hoke already manning the position. Defensive end would be nice to pickup, but we have Hood to take over for Smith. On the other side i would like to think between Keisel and the rest of the roster we have the position covered for the next couple of years, but some youth would be really nice to have, but only for the right value.
At corner im sure we will come out of this draft with either Williams or Dowling. But if we dont get a corner early that may be a sign the coaching staff has confidence in Butler or Lewis to develop.
We really dont need to keep all of our draft picks in order to have a successful draft. We have few, if any, real “holes” to fill. As it stands we have one of the top defenses in the league, with a really good offense to go with it. We are already a super bowl team, not one rebuilding. Quality will mean a lot more to us than quantity.
by steelerintexas on Apr 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts are based on the following assumptions - sad but probable.
1) Ike Taylor cashes in on his last big paycheck and leaves. I know we want to keep him, but I can’t help but think someone will overpay to take him when FA comes around.
2) Colon is gone. Marginal player who also will test FA. They’ll sign him if the price is right, but they won’t break the bank for that guy.
3) A. Smith may be gone due to cap space, age, and injury. Hoke is a FA who we may or may not resign. That makes DL a bit thin in my book.
4) We won’t sign any marque free agents – not a huge stretch with our history.
I’ll give you that having Starks back helps, and our OT spot may be taken care off. We still need a guard, and without Taylor our CB position is a disaster. Even if Lewis or Butler develop, we need 4 decent CB’s to run the dime and we’re at least 2 short of that. McFadden was exposed, Gay is horrible, Ike may be gone, and Madison doesn’t scare anybody.
Our D-line is great, but it’s a stretch to think that the grey beard crew can keep it together as is even for 1 more year. Smith going down again has to be a red flag that the unit needs youth now. Sure they won’t make an impact in year 1 because we rarely play rookies, but if we don’t get them now then we’ll be truly screwed in 2012.
Yes we’re a SB team, but that doesn’t mean we have no holes. Hell the same team didn’t make the playoffs the year before. If we don’t get more talent along the OL we could lose Ben to injury and adios season. If we don’t shore up the Secondary then I can easily see us watching the playoffs from home next year because every team will game plan ala patriots and throw it 90% of the time. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that throwing against us is the best option even with a mediocre QB. There’s nobody in our secondary to make them pay except Troy and you can’t sack someone when they’re throwing 3 yard slants all day long.
If we don’t build up the DL for the future when there’s a deep draft like this, then that could kill our defense for a while. We’re looking point blank at having Hampton, Keisel, Smith, and Hoke all being memories within 2 years without too much difficulty (even if we don’t lose any to FA). Would I love for them to play forever – absolutely, but it just isn’t going to happen.
Excellent evaluation
There ARE holes on this team whether people want to admit or not just because they went to the Super Bowl. The defense is aging and they need an infusion of youth and talent on the team. They are not just one player from fixing what ails them. If they were then I could understand trading up for that one glaring need. However, the Steelers could use help at the positions you mentioned. Terrific analysis on your part.
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by Black&GoldTrain on Apr 16, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya and agree about the holes to fill
But dispatching altogether the possibility of any FA would be the wrong move for the FO to guide their approach. At least 3 of the positions can be filled in FA (IMO: OL, CB and punter) this year, though I’ve not yet seen a recent analysis of possible free agents, for obvious reasons.
Most observers believe that a court ruling could open up an accelerated FA window, and our FO could pounce on 1-2 positions, and then wait for the negotiated (settled? Court ordered?) regular FA to fill the rest.
I agree it is a deep draft, and it’s tempting to throw conventional wisdom out the window in these troubled times, but one thing I don’t believe the new CBA to change much is roster size, so a 9 or 10 player draft could bring us back quickly to hard choices à la Gibson.
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by Flying Polamalus on Apr 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Gibson
he may not be a bust of a player but he sure was a bust of a pick seeing how he didn’t stick around and contribute here. Any Idea if Harbaugh wants to keep him on their defense?
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Apr 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Keeping in mind...
Mr. Bean’s definition of “bust” I think that the label fits, especially as he readily admits that it is NOT a conventional definition. The comments about roster management are in all probability true, but I don’t remember a huge hue & cry here @BTSC over trying to keep Aaron on the active roster and potentially getting him back for the playoffs or SB. I remember a few comments about losing Gibson’s potential, but nothing like the out-pouring of love expressed here in this column and the condemnation of the FO. Lighten up people!
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totally agree with this pick
a 4th rd pick that isn’t good enough for the steelers to feel the need to protect him by keeping him on the roster his entire first year? has bust written all over it. i know i usually don’t agree with your opinion articles, but i am with this bust list so far.
i’m curious to also see where kraig urbik falls, i have him pegged as one of colbert’s biggest busts ever (along with alonzo jackson & danny farmer) and took a lot of flack for saying that about urbik in a previous post i wrote

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