2011 NFL Draft: Is Wide Reciver A Bigger Need For Pittsburgh Steelers Than We Realize?
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Anyway, a quick post here that I hope to maybe here some of your thoughts on. It relates to the wide receiver position for the Pittsburgh Steelers. After the 2010 season, the consensus around Steeler Nation and amongst NFL pundits was that the Steelers were more or less set at WR for the 2011 season. Hines Ward was coming back and still seemed to have enough in the tank to contribute; Mike Wallace had emerged as a bigtime threat in all quadrants of the field; rookies Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown both managed to make the team and then contribute huge plays for the team during the team's journey to Super Bowl XLVIII. There was also Limas Sweed returning from an Achilles injury. Not too many would be brazen enough to count on Sweed delivering much in '11 or beyond based on his well documented struggles since being drafted in the second round of the '08 Draft. But because of his height, and how his physical stature differentiated himself from the guys who seemed to have cemented spots on the depth chart above him, folks understandably have had reason to believe that he could potentially join the fold in '11 and make plays for an already (seemingly) deep and set WR corps.
Don't get me wrong, I do think we're in great shape at WR for the '11 season. But what about '12 and beyond? Hines Ward is the man, my favorite player, a guy who might still catch 60-70 balls when he's 36-38 years old. But he might also hit a wall here in '11 or '12 and be approaching the twilight of his career. Then what? That leaves us with three guys all under 6' -- Wallace, Sanders, and Brown. Despite all three being awesome in their own right, I really don't think Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin and Bruce Arians are going to just be perfectly content with that trio unless their hand is played by injuries to other guys on the depth chart.
Forget about trying to find a diamond in the rough in the fourth through seventh round. It has and will continue to be done, but in today's NFL where passing is at such a premium, the Steelers are going to have to invest heavily in a blue chip talent at WR at some point in the near future. They've got great weapons as is, but will all the parts compliment each other if Hines Ward isn't in the equation?
Sure, Ward has developed into a Hall of Fame type player as a former third round pick, but don't let his career fool you into thinking that's the norm. Not at all. The list of dumpy mid-round WRs taken by the Steelers is substantially longer than the list of guys who materialized into solid contributors, or in Ward's case, showcase, feature players for multiple years.
I just am not convinced yet that Sanders and Brown will be nearly as effective without two very productive guys in front of them diverting defensive attention away from them. As No. 3 and No. 4 type options, Sanders/Brown are awesome. Slide either one of them into No. 2 type roles? Eeek. I dunno. Not at this stage in either of their respective careers at least, and perhaps not ever despite the fact that I also feel entirely confident in their ability to make a big play under pressure when the team needs it most.
That's not to say they can't be No. 2 type guys. Both possess great hands, and both could very conceivably log a 85 catch game season. I just don't really want to see that happen except for maybe once or twice, if at all, during the course of what I hope is a long career for both in Pittsburgh.
Again, not a knock. This isn't our granddad's NFL. Passing is king, and your No. 3 and No. 4 weapons at WR are infinitely more important than was the case back in the day.
Case in point? Jordy Nelson's performance in the Super Bowl win over Pittsburgh. Yuck. Was hard to believe while it unfolded, and it still makes me shake my head to this day. I know, none of us are alone on this.
But ultimately, Nelson's MVP-worthy field day in Green Bay's Super Bowl win shouldn't be that surprising. The dude can play when he gets the right matchup. It's increasingly common for competent quarterbacks to exploit great matchups at the No. 3 and No. 4 WR positions. Even though I agree that there's plenty to be said about old-timer coaches that have been in this league forever, dont let Dick LeBeau's greatness lead you to believe that most old school guys who earned their chops in a different era are up to the challenge of adjusting their tried and tested schemes to account for today's more potent, precise and persistent passing attacks. (How's that for illiteration?)
I could ramble on forever, but put it this way...
(1) We know we can bring home hardware with a mediocre line, or at least get damn close... ('08, '10)
(2) Since Mike Tomlin took over as head coach, and Ben Roethlisberger got a few years of experience under his belt (with a Lombardi in tow while we learned on the job), we've seen that the Steelers are going to put themselves in position to get lucky in the playoffs by resiliently grinding out a postseason berth, even if anything and everything imaginable happens to put them behind the eight ball ('07, '10). The standard of expectation does not change. And, you know what? After last season, that ain't just a cool Tomlinism anymore. That's truth after what we've seen transpire this past four seasons under Tomlin's leadership.
I wholeheartedly await the moment that the Steelers address their biggest issues at offensive line and cornerback. But I'm not at all ashamed to say that I believe in the guys that we have. If mid-late round prospects at OL are about to join the team in this year's Draft, I say don't bother. I'd prefer building on the continuity this group has built with each other through the bad times (and the occasional good) in recent years, over just hoping a new set of mid-round prospects somehow all pan out in unison to make the unit better. So here's to hoping we don't just reach for an OL in the first round, just because everyone and their mother realizes we should add a piece.
Same goes for cornerback. We definitely need to add a CB in round one or two just because it appears as if Ike Taylor might be out the door via free agency. That's not a given, no matter how interested other teams might be in him according to unverified reports. But let's face it, given that the Steelers haven't been able to start molding their '11 roster via free agency -- or at least see where they stand in terms of re-signing key guys -- it's safe to assume they'll be looking for a highly regarded insurance policy at CB, assuming that Taylor won't be with the team next year.
But were Taylor to stay with the Steelers -- and that's not entirely inconceivable at all -- then the Steelers may just be better off bolstering the defensive line than they would be the cornerback position. What we don't know is if Crezdon Butler and Keenan Lewis are ready to take a couple of huge steps forward this year in their development. If they are, then we might just be okay.
Here's what we do know though -- an awesome front-seven better mask whatever deficiencies the team has in the secondary more readily than vice versa. If you accept that line of logic, let me ask, could it make more sense then to perhaps invest in the defensive line rather than at CB this year so that the organization could more comfortably assess what they have in Butler and Lewis?
I mean, think about it -- say Butler and Lewis both have breakthrough training camps and '11 seasons, after we draft one or two CBs in this year's draft. Then what? No room for all of them, and Butler and Lewis are shown the door because less money has been invested in them. Not sure it's so wise to commit so heavily at CB when there's some key questions still to be answered amongst the group that's already part of the squad.
If your Magic Eight-Ball told you that either Butler or Lewis was going to ball and be great in '11, would you rethink your insistence on needing to draft a CB in round one or two.
Back to Sanders/Brown as we conclude -- all that's to say . I just think that so long as Ben Roethlisberger is under center, we better surround him with multi-faceted and extremely talented weapons. Based on what I've seen in recent years -- namely since 2008 -- it's safe to say that you better have a sick offense if you hope to be a great team that's playing for Lombardis.
They say defense wins championships. Maybe in the NBA. Not necessarily the case though in today's NFL. Defense matters, for sure. A consistent defense is going to position the team nicely to contend for playoff appearances. But you better have the talent at quarterback and at WR and other skill positions to rip off some great offense under high pressure if you want to win it all. Recent history this decade is what I'm basing that statement on. Even in '08 when Pittsburgh won 'one for the other thumb', our defense -- which had been historically dominant all year -- got exposed by Kurt Warner and the Cardinals' finely tuned offense. It was Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers' offensive competency (at least when all the marbles were at stake) that won Super Bowl XLV.
Anyway, not necessarily advocating using a high pick on a WR this year. If Limas Sweed wasn't lingering out there s a potential X-factor, then I'd say I'm fine with using a second or third round pick on a WR. But really, I see the intermediate and long-term need to bolster the WR corps. If Colbert & Co. opted to get a leg up on that task, then I'd understand. It's as important as any two-four year goal for the Steelers. As I mentioned, we've seen that the team can win without a great line or Pro Bowl lock-down corners. But we've yet to see is the team hoist a Lombardi without a wide range of talented playmakers at WR. Like I said though, I'd just assume we trade away mid-round picks to try to get top flight talent. I personally don't see any room for multiple multi-year projects. If that's the case, package the picks and move u to get the guys you feel the best about being long term studs on your team.
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have to agree with this. If Sweed doesn’t work out the Steelers still need a tall physical reciever.
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by stillergorillar on Apr 26, 2011 8:19 AM EDT reply actions
Choo choo!
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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Is that the Sweed train?
Its running late but hopefully it gets here just in time. :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think John should drive this year. I think I crashed it last summer.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 26, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
right into Sweeds achillies, poor fellow.
You Europeans need to learn to drive on the right side of the road! jk :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I never understood why we do drive on that side of the road, it’s just plain weird.
I’m still a major Sweed fan, he’s still young, he’s cheap and he is insanely talented.
I don’t think we have anyone who can get as open as he was on those drops, apart from Anchorman.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 26, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Napoleon took the right
so the Brits took the left, at least that’s the story I heard.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Napoleon
could see over the wheel? Must’ve used pillows, the bigger question is how did his feet reach the pedals?
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
blocks on the pedals
It ’s easy once you think about it.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Better late than never!
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Randle-El?
I know he isn’t a tall receiver, but he is still here(for now) and does contribute and have good chemistry with Ben…
Not a #1 or #2 receiver
I hope we can keep Randle-El another year but I don’t think anyone considers him a #1 or #2 receiver at this point in his career.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Still a good no 3 though
And an excellent number 4.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
I think we pick up someone in the late rounds, and it should be my guy DeAndre Brown from Southern Miss.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 26, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
I agree with the sentiment
concerning Butler and Lewis, both have been highly regarded for their skills since joining the team. We all know that learning the defense is normally a year long process for rookies so lets hope that Butler can begin to make some headway. I believe Lewis is closer, he has just got to quit being a bonehead when he gets onto the field.
very interesting look at the number of players at postions that were brought into the training facility.
The positions that they brought in and how many of them is VERY interesting. CB- 7, WR- 7, NT/DT- 6, OT- 5, RB- 3, DE- 2, OG- 2, S- 2, LB- 2, TE- 2, FB- 1.)
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Apr 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
Wut iz FB?
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 26, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fancy word for TE
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Apr 26, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
another word for H-back then?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
3 HB then, that’s not enough. I mean there are 11 people on offense. Maybe they are finally converting Ben to HB now.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
when you throw out all the pittsburgh U players (since the steelers brought in all draft eligible) and only look at players projected to go in the top 4 rds
DB:5, OL:4, DL: 3, WR: 2, RB: 1 (and if you take out the projected 4th rder’s you lose a CB, RB, and WR). pretty much falls in line with commonly thought priority of needs.
This whole article basically points at Jon Baldwin
Which isn’t a bad thing per se…
by c63tho on Apr 26, 2011 10:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've been saying this for awhile now
Sanders and Brown seem like the consummate slot receiver type. I’ve been thrilled with their play, but we still need a prototype wideout to play opposite Wallace. I agree – I’m not sure about drafting one high this year. I wouldn’t mind taking a flier on DeAndre Brown or something lower on (though I’ll still be surprised if he makes the roster) and give Sweed one more year to reach his absurdly high potential. If he does, bam, we’re good to go with an insane set of weapons. If not… we have to go for another guy in rounds one or two.
If Baldwin is there for some reason at 63, though, we should take him.
Disagree
Immature, takes plays off, headcase Accused Pitt of conspiring not to pass to him so his draft stock would decrease! Give me a break
"We'll do whatever we have to do to win, We like catching the ball, but the big thing is getting that 'W'every week. I'll take that over anything else,any day." Hines Ward
Too much talent
And I think he’s just a young, frustrated kid. A little leadership and a well-run organization (let’s be real, Pitt has been a mess lately) and I think he’ll come around.
if they are really looking to get a WR
I still think they should avoid WR in the top 3 rounds like Baldwin, maybe get Greg Little if he were to drop. I say get Austin Pettis in the 4th or 5th round and/or a flier with with DeAndre Brown in the 6th or 7th.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Apr 26, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
First 3 rounds
I would be shocked if we drafted a WR in the first 3 rounds. I am not saying it wouldn’t happen, but I will be shocked.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Take a WR later
They should draft a taller WR in Rounds 4-7 this year. In 1 year, we will have a better idea where we stand with the WR’s. We will have more information about Sweed, Brown, Sanders, and any other young WR’s that we add this year. If necessary, we could always use a higher pick on a WR in the 2012 draft. The needs at other positions are too great to take a WR in the 1st 3 rounds this year. We should focus on taking CB, O-line & D-line in those rounds. I wouldn’t at all mind them taking 2 CB’s early, as we don’t know if Ike will be back.
All on the Sweed Train.
If the kid is gonna get it this would be the year. He’s had setbacks and injuries and if his head isn’t straight now I doubt it ever will be.
I’m hoping being off the radar entirely and working through rehab has liberated him from whatever pressure or whatever was messing with him.
He’s got nothing to lose this year, let’s hope that finally lets his talent overcome his issues. I keep thinking he’s going to be a Pedro Alvarez (sorry for Pirates reference) and he just needs to get that first HR to get him going.
WR Greg Little would be an ideal complement to Wallace, Sanders & Brown ...
The Steelers would have to get him in the 3rd round. I’m thinking more about a NT or DT in the third round. Would you guys take Little over Kenrick Ellis in the 3rd? I wouldn’t, but it’s a thought. Also, maybe the new WR coach can get through to Limas. No more excuses for Sweed or Tony Hills. Here’s my final mock:
2. CB Ras-I Dowling, UVa
2. LT/G, James Carpenter, Alabama
3. NT Kenrick Ellis, Hampton
4. CB Curtis Marsh, Utah State
4. LT/RT Jarriel King, South Carolina
5. RB Da’rel Scott, Maryland
6. ILB Mario Harvey, Marshall
7. DE/DT Zach Clayton, Auburn
by datruth4life2.0 on Apr 26, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Ya killing me Truth
yuck! lol
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yuck to what?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafting a tarheel, maybe?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how he feels about that Terp!
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be the other part
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And don't forget Tomlin & K. Colbert was at UNC's pro day for a reason ...
It sure wasn’t to play grab-ass with coach Butch Davies.
by datruth4life2.0 on Apr 26, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
maybe butch paid them to come?
but he’ll claim he didn’t know about paying them….
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute!
The Steelers won SB VLV ?!?! Sweet! That’s SEVEN now right? (How did I miss that?) :-)
Seriously, one thing we should remember is that the Steelers don’t have a big physical recevier RIGHT NOW unless you count Sweed. Nobody is looking too far up to look Hines in the eye. It would be great if we had a big, dominant WR but when was the last time we did …… Plex? We have done failry well without one for a while, IMHO.
The Need is for a Big WR
Hopefully it’s Sweed. But just in case, draft Greg Little if available in the 3rd, Austin Pettis if available in the 5th, Armon Binns in the 6th, or Tori Gurley in the 7th
secondary, and offensive line would be the first order of business that should be address prior to the wide receiver position if speaking about draft needs.Three wr i like are Austin Pettis not as athletic as Titus Young but a big target.Tandon Doss also a big wideout and almost similar to Pettis And the other good for the later rounds is Greg Salas not as tall but very physical even after the catch, a tough,physical wide receiver who will get extra yards after the pass.
Not this year
Sure the Steelers could use a big WR but they are fine heading into next season with the receivers they have on their roster. Next year’s draft is where I would focus a high pick on a WR. I could see them taking a tall one this year but not early.
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by Black&GoldTrain on Apr 26, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
No to be a nag, but...
Isn’t Mike Wallace 6-1? He has a pretty good vertical too. His speed usually makes this a moot point because he blows by people, but the guy can go for jump balls and win them. And we do have Heath Miller. I really don’t see the need for a big WR. Wallace, Sanders and Brown would be a fine trio in 2012 if Hines is gone, and ARE would still be a pretty good number 4 as well as a fin vet to help the kids out. A number 5 receiver could be picked up in the 2012 draft to replace Hines. I really don’t see a big need here…
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
by Steelfrog on Apr 26, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I honestly do not remember Mike Wallace ever going up for a jump ball and really attacking it.
I wish he would more often.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 27, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
If you would have asked people before the '08 Draft if Pittsburgh was set at running back, I'm sure most would have said yes.
But they picked Mendenhall and he turned out to be a key cog in their offense just three years later. You never know.
the only way wr is a "need" is if the steelers feel sanders doesn't have the potential to be a #2 wr in a couple of years
i agree he’s not there now, but you don’t draft players for now. that’s what FA is for. it would probably take a late 2nd rd wr longer to become a #2 than sanders to become a #2. plus, if wallace, sanders, and brown continue to improve the way they have, we’ll have solid 1, 2 & 3 wr’s. so if we invest a high draft pick in a wr, we’re investing in our future 4th string wr… or pushing a player that could play a position higher into that spot. and we’re not even touching on if sweed comes around. the steelers have also shown plenty of times you can pick up solid #3 or lower wr’s in free agency every year. i’d far rather them use that pick on a player with equivalent talent in a DL, OL, DB or TE position.
there is a far greater chance that the already semi proven 3rd rd sanders or 5th rd brown will become a #2 wr than either the unproven (and at his current rate, bust) 3rd rd lewis or unproven 5th rd butler become a solid #2 cb. we have already invested two 3rd picks & a 2nd rd pick in the past 3 years into wr’s. add in 1st rd & another 3rder over the past 5 years. that’s a solid investment. only positions we have given similar attention to the past 10 years are DB’s and LB’s.
sanders is 27
He aint a young pup with tons of room to develop.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 27, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
excuse me, he's 28.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 27, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re wrong there Michael, Manny turned 24 last month.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 27, 2011 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed he is
weird, he’s lisetd as born in 1983 on pro football reference, which typically is very accurate. but indeed, it’s 1987, making him 24
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by Michael Bean on Apr 27, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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