Steeler Nation, Help Me Make Our Second Round Pick in the BTSC Mock Draft!
After seeing the post this morning about the Steelers' wide receiver position, and remembering Big Jay recently saying, 'Hey, are we overlooking defensive line?," etc., I feel compelled to write that indeed every position on the team, to one degree or another, is really a position of need. There are those who mention another tight end to compliment Heath Miller, like Belichick did last year in drafting two tight ends. The safety position can be weak and fragile and what if Mendenhall gets hurt? The beat goes on and on. Unless a team has Johnny Unitas at quarterback, Dan Marino as a back-up and Bob Griese as the third emergency guy, and has the same quality and depth at every single position, there is some "need" involved with every aspect of the team.
A football team, any team, comes into a draft much like a guy who just ran his bike into a bus comes into the emergency room. The guy's arm is broke, his ankle is twisted, he has a bruise on his face, his spleen is bleeding and his glasses are broke. What the doctors do in emergency is assess the priorities of all the guy's "needs." They better fix the bleeding spleen first, or patching up other areas will be moot when the guy dies. They better set the arm before they wrap the ankle so the bone will heal. They might not do anything with the bruise, simply live with it, and they will order another pair of glasses when everything else is calm and in order.
Drafting a football team is more complicated (not more important than an emergency room, but more complicated), because you simply cannot just list the needs in priority and then fix accordingly. Unlike the emergency room, the needs are weighed against the particular talent available at the given moment of a draft selection. You might have a slightly bigger need at position B than A, but if player A is far superior than player B, then he will be the wisest choice....maybe...
To me, there is one position on the Steelers that represents the bleeding spleen, cornerback. If we don't fix that, if we don't draft someone of impact, if our young bucks don't step up and especially if we lose Ivan, then nothing else will matter. The Pittsburgh Steelers will not and cannot win another Super Bowl without fixing their spleen. The Steelers have played 71 football games under the Mike Tomlin-Dick LeBeau regime. They are 1-6 against guys named Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. The only victory came via miracle on the last play of the game. They are 47-17 in all the other games. The Steelers will win alot of football games in 2011, no doubt. They will beat teams regularly who have less than Pro Bowl quarterbacks who don't have the ability to shred them. But they cannot navigate to the promised land again unless they fix their spleen.
Other than the spleen, the guy is not going to eventually die. Therefore, we can debate which body part to fix next. Interestingly, we have made 57 picks in out BTSC mock draft, and there are some pretty good football players available with Pittsburgh's pick coming up soon. So I ask you, Steelers Nation, help me make that draft choice. I am not even going to put Ras-I Dowling in the poll. He's the spleen doctor and from what I am hearing would be an overwhelming choice. But what about the other body parts? Randall Cobb is still sitiing there. After reading the wide receiver post this morning, is he the guy? How about Ryan Matthews? He's a really good running back dropping late into the second round. Jurrell Casey, Christian Ballard and Allen Bailey are still available. After reading Big Jay's reminder that our D-Line is aging and fragile, should we go there? Clint Boling is an offensive guard, you know we need some of that stuff. So is James Carpenter.
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Ras-I Dowling
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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He's still avalible
How come he’s not on the list?
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Really?
Wow I woulda voted for him hands down
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Voted for Ballard.
Since we aren’t considering Mr. Dowling, I think Ballard is hands down the BPA here, and when I think about the future with him and Ziggy on the same line, I get excited.
Well he just got busted
Tests came back positive for him for weed before the combine. Don’t know how the Steelers usually feel about something like that. It is minor, but then again, why smoke weed Right before the Combine?
WE ARE PENN STATE
I bet he drops really far for that. I remember seeing a report that was talking about players and drugs. It said something along the lines of it takes a real idiot to know you are going to get drug tested and still fail.
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
God dammit. He was on a roll up the boards, and he’s really talented. I expect that after the Santonio thing we’ll be wary of people with marijuana problems.
I hadn’t seen this, got a source on it?
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 26, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Justin Houston, too
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/report-justin-houston-christian-ballard-failed-drug-test-at-combine/
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110426_report_christian_ballard_justin_houston_flunked_combine_drug_tests
Now I see Houston (who was pretty much guaranteed to go in the 1st) being projected in the 4th or so. I can’t believe that a player would be stupid enough to smoke in the month before the combine, knowing full well that it’s going to show up in the test, costing him millions of dollars. I like smoking pot myself (I mean, c’mon, my name’s Wiedmann), but when I’m applying for a job that could drug test, I make sure my system’s clean. and that’s just for some shitty barely above minimum-wage job.
I don’t blame GMs for dropping them on their boards, that’s just plain stupid. It’s not about the drug usage (especially with it just being marijuana, not PEDs or harder drugs), it’s about lacking the common sense to realize that they will drug test you before they draft you.
13.
I read up on it a bit and it seems to be verified that those 2 and one other (some late round OL from Florida iirc) are the only ones to test positive.
I agree, it is retarded as hell to smoke in the month before the biggest job interview of your life. I put it in the same category as being out of shape at the combine. It all points to an “I’ve already made it” attitude that once they get to the pros will lead to a terrible work ethic.
Side Note: I love living in the UK, no drug tests at almost any jobs, which means I can freely smoke whenever I want (well not really, but you know what I mean).
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 27, 2011 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It does create work for prison and corrections officials
as well as allowing criminals to make outrageous profits for growing a non-essential weed (though there are a wide range of products that can be made from hemp that could reduce dependence on foreign imports of various items including oil).
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
okay for those of me on the Ras-I Dowling bandwagon
we should have read this
I am not even going to put Ras-I Dowling in the poll. He’s the spleen doctor and from what I am hearing would be an overwhelming choice.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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I'm confused
What’s the point of doing the mock and excluding a player?
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
but MR works in mysterious ways
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he won't still be available come the Steelers pick.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 26, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
In the BTSC mock
you find out who gets drafted along with everyone else
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 26, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe.
You never know what goes on behind the Behind the Steel Curtain.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 26, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But he is there in this mock draft. How do we know any of these players will be there?
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wanted to know what the Nation felt about the 8 guys I listed. That’s all. Those 8 guys are good candidates to still be available at 63. I am either guessing that Dowling won’t be there, or if he is, 99% of Steeler Nation would vote to get him so there’s no point in putting him in the poll. No mystery, unless I don’t make any sense.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
That makes sense as a fanpost
I guess I just don’t get it for this mock draft, assuming you go with whoever wins this poll.
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm I dont remember who we got in the first..
With that said I chose Carpenter. I seem to remember getting a CB in the first. If we went Oline in the first then my choice would have been patrick.
Nate Solder in this mock
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I went CB
because I want another CB. Even if we resign all our CBs, I want another CB. I am willing to let a good player go if it is a case of us having too many good players at a key position. I hated losing Gibson but I would rather chance having to lose a unknown and possibly good player than not fix the problem in the secondary.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
loved the emergency room analogy!
Great, lucid thoughts MR. By the way, you make perfect sense with excluding Dowling. We’ve heard about him over and over this draft season. I also agree with you that he’ll likely be off the board at 61.
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Carpenter
Of all the selections I would select Carpenter. A big reason why Ingram was a force at Alabama and protected McElroy. He could play guard but I’ve read he projects at OT. Really durable as well.
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by Black&GoldTrain on Apr 26, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
Whats up with
that kid from Texas the db? Not Williams, but Brown.
He’s like a 3rd round prospect. Looks like he could be a good #2 or a nickle/dime guy.
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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If we can't get Ras-I Dowling
I want Davon House.
First round get a RT, 2nd CB, 3rd DT, 4th CB, 5th OG, 6th WR, 7th K
There should also be a decent assortment of UFAs to pick up as well, will that be affected by this current mess? How does the UFA work in terms of who gets who, is it a free for all like free agency?
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Well, technically as it is right now, there is no free agency, which means no UDFA’s if my logic is correct.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 27, 2011 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are the other 31 people that voted for Jurrell Casey?
I was fully expecting him to be in last place when I voted for him, but here he is sitting in 3rd place by a nose

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