2011 NFL Mock Draft -- Two Rounds and Trades with Two Days to Go Edition
by Michael Bean on Apr 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT
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He's a machine! Big Jay files one final mock draft of the season, a two rounder with trades. I think this might be my favorite mock of the year from him, and one of the better ones I've seen period. I also happen to like the idea of trading up, and think it's the smartest move the Steelers can make this year given the state of their roster. Check it out and like always, share your feedback. - Michael B. -
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1. Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton QB, Auburn
Team Needs: DT/WR/QB/OG/TE/DE
The Charlotte Observer has reported that the Panthers will take an offensive player here. As Adam Schefter of ESPN has reported, there's an 80 percent chance that the Panthers will select Auburn's Cam Newton with the first pick in the 2011 NFL draft. The writing's on the wall, sorry Panthers fans.
2. Denver Broncos - Marcell Dareus DE/DT, Alabama
Team Needs: DT/CB/SS/OLB/RT
After releasing Jamal Williams and Justin Bannan DT is by far Denver's biggest need. Dareus is a complete player and one of the best DT prospects in years, second only to Ndamukong Suh.
3. Buffalo Bills - Von Miller DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Team Needs: OT/DE/OLB/WR/CB
Cam Newton would be head coach Chan Gailey's wet dream but unfortunately he's not available. Gailey loves athletic players and they could really use some pass-rushing help given that Aaron Maybin looks like a total bust and Shawn Merriman's playing ability has fizzled out.
4. Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green WR, UGA
Team Needs: DE/WR/SS/RB/QB
Carson Palmer sounds serious in his desire to be traded or retire but stubborn team owner Mike Brown looks like he's going to call Palmer's bluff; hence Blaine Gabbert will not be picked. There have been many rumors that this draft will be primarily focused on offense for the Bengals. T.O. won't be resigned and Chad Johnson will be released or traded at some point. Green is an elite talent and would fill a need.
5. Arizona Cardinals - Patrick Peterson CB, LSU
Team Needs: QB/LT/OLB/OG/CB
Coach Whisenhunt is in hot water and cannot afford to have another year with a struggling rookie QB. When the lockout is over they will aggressively trade or Kevin Kolb or sign Marc Bulger so that means no Blaine Gabbert. Peterson is the number one prospect on my teams' draft boards and with Von Miller gone he's the best alternative.
***TRADE***
Cleveland gets picks 10, 41
Washington gets picks 6, 70
6. Washington Redskins (via Cleveland Browns) - Blaine Gabbert QB, Missouri
Team Needs: QB/WR/NT/DE/RT/OLB/CB/FS/RG/OC
While Washington really can't afford to trade up the fact remains that they also can't afford to go into the 2011 season with Rex Grossman as their starting QB. Gabbert is the proto-typical QB for head coach Mike Shanahan's offense as he has a strong arm and is very mobile, and they must get ahead of the 49ers to draft him.
7. San Francisco 49ers - Robert Quinn DE/OLB, UNC
Team Needs: QB/CB/OLB/DE/FS
With Gabbert gone this will come down to Quinn and Prince Amukamara. Nate Clements and Shawntae Spencer need to be replaced but S.F. has absolutely no pass-rush.
8. Tennessee Titans - Nick Fairley DT/DE, Auburn
Team Needs: QB/LG/OC/ILB/DE
It's too early for the next tier of QB's to come off of the board. Tennessee's new D-line coach Tracy Rocker also coached Fairley at Auburn.
9. Dallas Cowboys - J.J. Watt DT/DE, Wisconsin
Team Needs: OT/CB/FS/OG/DE/SS
This pick will come down to Tyron Smith, Anthony Castonzo, Mike Pouncey (but only if they trade back), and J.J. Watt. Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News says that Watt will be the pick.
10. Cleveland Browns (via Washington Redskins) - Julio Jones WR, Alabama
Team Needs: WR/DT/DE/RT/OLB/CB
Cleveland moves back four spots and still gets the player that's number one on their board.
11. Houston Texans - Aldon Smith DE/OLB, Missouri
Team Needs: NT/OLB/FS/CB/SS/WR
This pick will come down to Smith and Prince Amukamara. The rumor is that the Texans will not spend back-to-back first round picks on a CB.
12. Minnesota Vikings - Jake Locker QB, Washington
Team Needs: QB/RG/SS/FS/CB/DE/OC/DT
Like Washington the Vikings cannot afford to pass on a QB. They only have 2010 late round pick Joe Webb on the roster.
13. Detroit Lions - Prince Amukamara CB, Nebraska
Team Needs: CB/OLB/LT/OC/RB/SS
Prince is going to be number one on Detroit's draft board.
***TRADE***
ST. Louis gets picks 18, 61
San Diego gets pick 14
14. San Diego Chargers (via St. Louis Rams) - Cameron Jordan DT/DE Cal
Team Needs: OLB/DE/ILB/DE/WR
What they need is a DE or an OLB, but I doubt A.J. Smith is ready to admit that Larry English is a bust. The number one player on the Chargers draft board is J.J. Watt, unfortunately he's gone. Jordan would still be a great replacement for Jacques Cesaire.
***TRADE***
Miami gets picks 20, 51
Tamps Bay gets picks 15, 79
15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (via Miami Dolphins) - Ryan Kerrigan DE, Purdue
Team Needs: DE/ILB/CB/RT/OG
Tampa Bay's biggest need is for a DE, actually they could use 2 DE's. They move here to get Kerrigan as he would assuredly be taken by the Jags.
16. Jacksonville Jaguars - Brooks Reed DE, Arizona
Team Needs: DE/FS/SS/CB/WR
Like the last draft the Jags take a player that is considered a reach by others but fits exactly what they are looking for. GM Gene Smith loves high character, multi-year starters.
17. New England Patriots (via Oakland Raiders) - Tyron Smith OT, USC
Team Needs: OG/LT/OLB/DE/WR/RB
Unless they trade back the Patriots are going to take the best offensive lineman on the board. Current LT Matt Light is a 33 year old free agent.
18. St. Louis Rams (via San Diego Chargers) - Corey Liuget DT, Illinois
Team Needs: WR/RG/FS/DT/WLB/RB
With St. Louis' prize prospect Julio Jones no longer on the board at 14 they get better value for Corey Liuget by trading back. Gary Gibson is horrible at defending the run.
19. New York Giants - Anthony Castonzo OT, Boston College
Team Needs: LT/OC/RB/OLB/OG
Like the Patriots the Giants will take the best O-lineman available. It'll come down to Castonzo and Mike Pouncey.
***TRADE***
Miami gets picks 31, 63
Pittsburgh gets picks 20, 146
20. Pittsburgh Steelers (from Miami Dolphins via Tampa Bay Buccaneers) - Mike Pouncey OG/OC, Florida
Team Needs: RG/CB/OT/DE/P/NT
It's destined to happen. Pittsburgh gets the twin brother of current Pro Bowl OC Maurkice Pouncey, and fills a huge void at RG.
21. Kansas City Chiefs - Nate Solder OT, Colorado
Team Needs: NT/OLB/WR/OC/RB
K.C. needs an upgrade at LT, allowing them to move Brandon Albert to OG or RT. Apparently they really like Solder.
22. Indianapolis Colts - Gabe Carimi OT, Wisconsin
Team Needs: OT/OG/DT/WR/SS
Indy will take the best O-lineman available. Bill Polian has a thing for Big10 players.
23. Philadelphia Eagles - Jimmy Smith CB, Colorado
Team Needs: CB/OG/OLB/SS/RT
Jimmy Smith is likely the top player on Andy Reid's draft board.
24. New Orleans Saints - Da'Quan Bowers DE, Clemson
Team Needs: DT/OLB/DE/RB/RT/SS
N.O. will take the best D-lineman available and won't pass up the chance to get Bowers.
25. Seattle Seahawks - Muhammed Wilkerson DT, Temple
Team Needs: CB/QB/SS/RT/OC
Wilkerson fits exactly what the Seahawks are looking for from a D-lineman.
26. Baltimore Ravens - Cameron Heyward DT/DE, OSU
Team Needs: CB/RT/RG/DE/WR/ILB
Cameron Heyward is the top player on Baltimore's draft board.
27. Atlanta Falcons - Adrian Clayborn DE, Iowa
Team Needs: WR/OG/OT/SS/CB/TE/DE
Kyle Rudolph would be a tempting option but Atlanta has bigger needs at DE, WR, and on the offensive line and despite his Erb's palsy Clayborn is a better prospect than Rudolph.
***TRADE***
New England gets picks 45, 108 + 2012 2nd round pick
San Francisco gets pick 28
28. San Francisco 49ers (via New England Patriots) - Christian Ponder QB, FSU
Team Needs: QB/CB/DE/FS
This is about the point where teams with a high second round pick and QB needs start to jump up to secure what's left of the second tier of QB prospects. N.E. has already had a first round pick so I'm sure they are giddy to sell this one off to the highest bidder. S.F. has the fire power to pull off a trade with 12 total picks in this draft. Ponder is very accurate and fits the style of offense that new head coach Harbaugh runs.
29. Chicago Bears - Derek Sherrod OT, Miss. State
Team Needs: OT/OG/DT/OC/WR
Chicago will take the highest rated O-lineman.
30. New York Jets - Phil Taylor NT, Baylor
Team Needs: OLB/DE/NT/CB/K/WR
The Jets have serious issues along the defensive line and will take the best prospect available with Taylor who is considered far and away the best NT in this draft class.
31. Miami Dolphins (via Pittsburgh Steelers) - Mark Ingram RB, Alabama
Team Needs: QB/RB/FS/TE/LG
Miami's needs didn't match with the top talent available at 15, plus they get to re-coup the second round pick they gave up in the Brandon Marshall trade. Miami will then trade back again to get better value for their needs, acquiring another second rounder in the process. Here they take Ingram, who they've been linked to throughout the entire draft process, at a much better value and worth a chance given his possible knee issues.
32. Green Bay Packers - Akeem Ayers OLB, UCLA
Team Needs: OLB/LG/RB/DE/OT/WR
Green Bay is in a prime trading position because some team will want to jump ahead of the day two trading to secure their QB. Unfortunately the prime trading partner would be Tennessee, but they sit behind Arizona who's biggest need is also the Packers biggest need and at this point there's only one pass-rusher left with a first round grade. So the Packers stay put, take Ayers, and secure a fearsome tandem with Ayers and Clay Matthews.
Round Two
***TRADE***
New England gets picks 35, 134
Cincinnati gets pick 33
33. Cincinnati Bengals (from New England Patriots via Carolina Panthers) - Andy Dalton QB, TCU
Cincy jumps ahead of Buffalo to make sure they grab their guy Andy Dalton, who new OC Jay Gruden loves.
34. Buffalo Bills - Colin Kaepernick QB, Nevada
Current starting QB is decent but nothing spectacular. If Gailey misses out on Cam Newton in the first he'll definitely be looking to take Kaepernick as he has the strong arm and athletic ability that Gailey is infatuated with.
35. New England Patriots (via Cincinnati Bengals) - Torrey Smith WR, Maryland
New England lacks a burner who can stretch the field vertically. Smith ran a 4.37 40 at the combine.
36. Denver Broncos - Marvin Austin DT, North Carolina
Denver needed multiple DT's and strikes it rich here getting Austin, who's a top-15 talent but falls due to character concerns stemming from dealings with an agent that cost him his final season at UNC. Having Dareus and Austin at DT, and putting Robert Ayers at RE and Elvis Dumervil at LE would give the Broncos one of the best D-lines in the NFL after having one of the worst in 2010.
37. Cleveland Browns - Brandon Harris CB, Miami
Cleveland needs a solid number two CB across from Joe Haden and GM Mike Holmgren likes taking CB's early.
38. Arizona Cardinals - Benjamin Ijalana OG/OT, Villanova
The Cardinals have one of the worst O-lines in all of football, luckily they get someone who's considered a fringe first rounder in the second round.
39. Tennessee Titans - Ryan Mallett QB, Arkansas
Tennessee can't afford to not take a QB here. Mallett will need to sit a year and learn behind Kerry Collins. He has the size and arm strength of a top five pick, but he still needs a lot of work on his throwing motion and footwork.
40. Dallas Cowboys - Ras-I Dowling CB, Virginia
OG and OT are much bigger needs at this point but Dowling represents a greater value here than James Carpenter, Orlando Franklin, or Marcus Gilbert, all of whom fit the Cowboys blocking scheme. Terrence Newman will be 33 years old this coming season and Mike Jenkins is a pass-interference machine.
41. Cleveland Browns (via Washington Redskins) - Stephen Paea DT, Oregon State
Cleveland has to add players to the D-line for their conversion to the 4-3 defense.
42. Houston Texans - Rahim Moore FS, UCLA
Houston won't pass up the chance to take the best FS after cutting Eugene Wilson.
***TRADE***
Minnesota gets picks 59, 91
Atlanta gets pick 43
43. Atlanta Falcons (via Minnesota Vikings) - Kyle Rudolph TE, Notre Dame
Rudolph is the number two guy on Atlanta's big board and could possibly be chosen by them in the first round. He won't be there at pick 59 so they trade up here.
44. Detroit Lions - Stefen Wisniewski OC/OG, Penn State
The Lions always take BPA and they need an upgrade over Dominic Raiola at center.
45. New England Patriots (via San Francisco 49ers) - Justin Houston DE/OLB, UGA
New England has to find a pass-rusher. Houston will slip out of the first round now as it's come to light that he failed a drug test for marijuana at the combine, however the Patriots can afford to take a chance on him. They drafted Aaron Hernandez last year who was in the same situation and was not considered a first round talent.
46. Denver Broncos (via Miami Dolphins) - Mikel Leshoure RB, Illinois
When Knowshon Moreno is hurt, which is a lot, and out of the line up Denver's ground game is non-existent. Plus new Head Coach John Fox likes to use a multiple-back system.
47. St. Louis Rams - Randall Cobb WR, Kentucky
After missing out on Julio Jones in the first round they have to take a WR in the second round.
48. Oakland Raiders - Davon House CB, New Mexico State
Team Needs: CB/RT/LG/OC/TE/WR
When Oakland cut Nnamdi Asomugha this pick became pretty easy to predict. They will have to take the best CB available. After giving Oakland a lot of respect for their 2010 draft I thought that as a franchise they had finally righted the ship, but after cutting Nnamdi Asomugha and giving Stanford Routt a 3-year/32mil contact I'm convinced Al Davis is no longer on his meds. House has the size (6'1", 200lbs.) and speed (4.35 40 time) that the Crypt Keeper covets.
49. Jacksonville Jaguars - Aaron Williams CB, Texas
This pick will be the top rated CB or Safety prospect available. Williams ran a decent 40 time (4.52) but didn't look very fluid in his drills which will probably facilitate his switch to Safety.
50. San Diego Chargers - Jonathan Baldwin WR, Pittsburgh
The Chargers love tall, big-bodied WR's. Vincent Jackson will probably be traded at some point, while Malcolm Floyd and Legedu Naanee are both free agents.
51. Miami Dolphins (via Tampa Bay Buccaneers) - Danny Watkins OG, Baylor
Miami needs all the help they can get on the interior of the O-line.
52. New York Giants -Ryan William RB, Virginia Tech
Ahmad Bradshaw can't stay healthy for an entire season.
53. Indianapolis Colts - Rodney Hudson OG, Florida State
Indy needs all the help they can get on the O-line.
54. Philadelphia Eagles - James Carpenter OG/OT, Alabama
Philly needs to overhaul the right side of their O-line.
55. Kansas City Chiefs - Leonard Hankerson WR, Miami
K.C. has no one to play opposite of Dwayne Bowe.
56. New Orleans Saints - Martez Wilson ILB, Illinois
The Saints need to replace Scott Shale. Drafting Wilson would allow them to move Jonathan Vilma to Shale's spot at WLB.
57. Seattle Seahawks - Orlando Franklin, OG, University of Miami
Sean Locklear is a 30 year old free agent.
58. Baltimore Ravens - Jabaal Sheard DE/OLB, Pittsburgh
Baltimore is always going to take the BPA, and they need a pass-rush threat aside from Terrell Suggs. They can't wait and see Sergio Kindle is going to be ready to play.
59. Minnesota Vikings (via Atlanta Falcons) - Quan Sturdivant LB, UNC
Minnesota has so many needs that they have to trade back to acquire more picks. Here they take the number one rated linebacker for a 4-3 defense to replace free agent Ben Leber.
60. New England Patriots - Will Rackley OG, Lehigh
New England continues to improve its O-line. The protection of Tom Brady is paramount to their success.
61. St. Louis Rams (from San Diego Chargers via New York Jets) - Orlando Franklin OG, Miami
One way of helping prolong the career of Stephen Jackson is to get him some better blocking up front. They seriously need an upgrade at RG over Adam Goldberg.
62. Chicago Bears - Drake Nevis DT, LSU
Chicago needs to replace Tommy Harris.
63. Miami Dolphins (via Pittsburgh Steelers) - Sam Acho DE/OLB, Texas
Miami needs a consistent pass-rush threat across from Cameron Wake. Drafting Acho would allow Miami to move Koa Misi to the inside to replace Channing Crowder.
64. Green Bay Packers - Jarvis Jenkins DT/DE, Clemson
Cullen Jenkins is a free agent and Johnny Jolly can't seem to stay out of trouble.
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I really am hoping that Tomlin's comment yesterday was a ploy
To draw attention away from someone else we want. Although, they were extremely open about wanting Maurkice last year.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
I can tell you the players want Mike
I know players opinions on the matter don’t go to far especially under today’s circumstances. I talked to James Farrior last week who is staying with Ike and Willie Gay working out during the off season. He didn’t have too much insight regarding the draft but he did REALLY REALLY want the Steelers to draft Mike Pouncey. There may be some sentiment in the locker room and organization to reunite the brothers.
That's fine
But the NFL is a business. We need to make sure we are making the best decision for the team. If we are giving away our 2nd round pick and a shot at a good CB, I am not for this move at all.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as I'd like Mike Pouncey...
…I wouldn’t want to see this.
If we trade up for Mike Pouncey, of course I’ll root for the guy. I loved the pick last year of Maurkice while others were complaining about that choice.
But I don’t think this gives us the best chance to win. I think the real strength of this draft is between picks 35-55 or so. We could pick up a CB like Williams/Ras-I/Harris and a good solid OG/OT like Benjamin Ijalana/Danny Watkins by moving down just a few spots. I think that would help us win more games in the future. Frankly, I think Foster did OK again late last year (Kemo was the bigger problem) and if we don’t resign Colon it’s not going to be OG help we need most, it’ll be OT help because The Hotel is old and Starks is coming off an injury. Hence grabbing a desperately needed CB and a guy wh can play OG/OT may be needed much more than even a great prospect like Mike Pouncey.
I'm torn
I really love Pouncey and I like this scenario, but I also would like to get Ras-I at 31. I also don’t want to give up 63
I'd rather go Danny Watkins...
He is by far better and if not for the age he would be talked about like Pouncey is now!
and like Orlando Franklin
and Suisham, he is Canadian! I would have said he is used to cold weather but being as he is from Kelowna and that he played college in California and Texas, I don’t know how true that would be.
Kelowna is in the Okanagan valley which means vineyards, wineries and retirement communities. Also Ogopogo for those who like lake monsters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogopogo
I would still prefer Pouncey but I will support whomever the Steelers draft.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
This is a beauty. Some might not like the Steelers strategy in it, but top to bottom its super, super well done. Great work big jay!
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Apr 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree to a point...
The prevailing wisdom, as I understand it, is to trade UP when you have such a talented team because only a few picks will make the team. Trading that far up? A little pricey in my book. I think if the Steelers just trad up to 25 (Seattle is on the record as willing to trade down) it gets them in front of the Jets (Love to pay them back for Revis and take someone they really covet) and the Ravens, two teams I would love to scoop. At twenty-five, the Steelers have more options to get a great player AND a need pick.
It'd be great to get Pouncey, but not if it costs us the 2nd
I’d give up a 3rd and a 6th, maybe a 5th.
Continue to want nothing to do with Dowling and am shocked that even his supporters actually think he’s in contention at 1.31.
Considering we have the second to last pick in the second round you can bet that if the Steelers trade up high enough to get Pouncey it’s going to cost them their second round pick.
that's probably true
Though I think we jumped a ton to get troy with just a 3rd and a 6th.
Mostly what I’m saying is I don’t want Pouncey so badly that i’ll give up that much, which as you point out probably means my vote would be don’t trade up
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 27, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't you like Dowling?
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
To be clear, I don't dislike Dowling
I just see him as a late 2nd / early 3rd type. He’s been injured too consistently going all the way back to high school. He’s a china doll, which makes him a boom / bust type, and I’m not willing to invest the money or waste the pick on such a risk. I really do think he falls on Friday (and we’ll see in 3 years whether that was warranted or not, just saying i think he will.)
And that said, even if he were healthy I’d be ok at #63 but not 1.31. He’s much stiffer than Brandon Harris and not as consistent against the run as Aaron Williams, older than both, and I question his ability to plant and close in zone coverage. That’s just me though.
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 27, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
I haven’t seen any injuries on him in his soph or junior season at UVA. The only injury issues he had was last year and before then he was a 1st round corner. In his workouts I didn’t see any stiffness of the hips. He could work on his tackling but thats not a big issue with him. I don’t know what the Steelers will do and I’ll be behind what ever they decide to do.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And that said, even if he were healthy I’d be ok at #63 but not 1.31. He’s much stiffer than Brandon Harris and not as consistent against the run as Aaron Williams, older than both, and I question his ability to plant and close in zone coverage. That’s just me though.
There are questions about whether Brandon Harris can play in a zone and I think I heard some rumblings about the same with WIlliams. As far as Dowling not being consistent against the run…WHAT?!? He is probably one of the best CBs against the run in the draft. Here is some video of him against UNC in 09. I think he has better open field tackling skills than McFadden and he is superb at breaking a player down in space.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure does make sense……..we better sign Ike though if this happens.
The draft won’t be bad for the West Coasties who are BTSC, but not sure if I’ll stay up to see us at #31 draft here on the East coast. (midnight?)…..so….for that sake, I hope this happens because you have us picking at #20!
i say cut Starks
Use the money to sign Taylor or that Raiders CB with a hard name to spell :)
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by Michael Bean on Apr 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nnamdi Asomugha
Had to look it up, but really, what are the chances? He and his agent orchestrated that crazy contract in Oakland and I think they thought it was their way out but crazy Al said “OK”. Then they added more clauses to guarantee an out. Now he has been paid crazy money but wants a ring. There’s no way he thinks he is going to get a raise!
Pay cut
IIRC, Nnamdi makes so much that he would have to take a hefty pay cut for the Steelers to be able to afford him. I can’t remember the amount atm but it is a crazy amount. Heck, I think Revis makes way too much but that is just my opinion.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Pay cut
I think he made in the neighborhood of 16M last year but has no expectation of making any where near that again. It was a ploy to leave Oakland that back fired when Al Davis agreed to it. Realistically, I think he signs a 5 yr deal worth a total of about 45M with, in this order, NE, DAL, PHI, BAL, PIT or IND. The Steelers and IND are the longest shots because they probably wouldn’t make the call to ask. The Asomugha camp would have to reach out to them. I think Ike would command in the 7M vacinity, so would they consider paying 2 more for a true shutdown? I just don’t think he is looking to get another ridiculous contract for a bad team. He understands good teams don’t work like that.
Ike & $2 million
I would take Ike and the $2 million. I know Ike plays Steelers football. I don’t know about Nnamdi (who would need to learn the complex LeBeau defence). I will take the devil I know and $2 million to spend on my other problems at this point. Everyone has different preferences.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nnamdi is too expensive. I'd rather go for that guy the Bucs are about to cut
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Talib?
He was more character concerns than Holmes had
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Talib is probably going to prison. If we were going for players like that we might as well draft Jimmy Smith.
Going to prison? I didn’t hear that.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe he meant to fire it in the air in celebration and his arm spasmed. “oops, I shot that guy”
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
also, can he use the Ray Lewis “it wasn’t me” defense?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
one of the best TV funhouses ever!
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a lot to give up
How is our track record in the 4th round again? I am not trying to be smart. I just can’t remember atm.
I am agree with those who said we we better be resigning Ike if we make this trade.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 27, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
Colbert's 4th round picks
2010 – Gibson – gone
2009 – traded away
2008 – Tony Hills – hasn’t done much of anything
2007 – Sepulveda – contributor, but injury problems
2007 – Ryan McBean – cut after his rookie season (with Broncos 31 tackles, 18 starts)
2006 – Willie Colon – steal, good starter
2006 – Orien Harris – sucked, out of the league as of 2009
2005 – Fred Gibson – hasn’t played an NFL game, cut before the season
2004 – no pick
2003 – Ike Taylor – steal, good starter
2002 – Larry Foote – steal, good starter, then good back-up
2001 – Mathias Nkwenti – out of the league by 2003
2000 – Danny Farmer – Never played for us, 3 years with the Bengals, nothing of note
So Colbert has 4 of 13 that became starters. I have to imagine that is above average for the 3rd round. The odd thing is he doesn’t get many back-ups from this round. It’s either starter or cut before the season. Hills and Harris were the only two who spent more than a season on the roster without starting much.
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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd hope we don't do this
Mike is Maurkice .75 (being generous) and we could honestly trade up in the 2nd to get a guard that, for where he’d be picked, would be better.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Apr 27, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
to everyone complaining,try looking at it like this..
I know some of you say we need a cornerback. but I honestly think Butler will break out this season and I think there is a very strong possibility that he takes the #2 cb spot from mcfadden. for arguments sake, lets say we resign Ike and willie gay. (chances are strong that both will return esp. since there is a lot of uncertainty with the cba)our db’s wont be so bad. that will be taylor and butler starting,kick mcfadden to the nickel where he belongs and willie gay to dime and our db’s are better. you guys might say that we haven’t seen much of butler to be sure of him but I guarentee u that he has a much better shot at earning a starting spot than any rookie cb we draft this year. he knows the playbook and has all the tools to succeed.(speed,height,quickness,length,recovery speed,etc.)
also ppl that are against drafting pouncey are saying we could easily get a guard in 2nd round thats as good value. that may be true but the o-line needs a special chemistry to be truly successful and with the pouncey’s side by side they will have a good chemistry on the inside. I think we could draft mike and put him at left guard and replace the inconsistant kemeoatu while willie colon takes the right guard position and our o-line is instantly so much improved.
Even if that is so...
I think we still need top two rounds quality corner help.
Even if Butler has a breakout season and is the new #2 (and that would rock), our depth is very poor. And if it takes a couple years to train up new CBs in our system, shouldn’t we start now?
Good point on the Pouncey chemistry, though!
gostevego
Im not exactly sure but if we move to get pouncey, is it possible to give up only a 3rd and 4th or a 5th? if we could somehow preserve the 2nd round pick we could get pouncey and curtis brown which in my opinion is better fit for the Steelers than aaron williams.
and I forgot to mention that not only will the pouncey twins have good chemistry but they will also push eachother as they are known to be very competitive against eachother. to be honest I don’t see it happening but if it does I would not mind at all.
Chemistry yeah, that's a valid point
There’s still the object of overpaying for a guy though, and that’s exactly what Pouncey is. Honestly, I’m not a fan of taking a guard that wasn’t dominate in college with a top 20 pick, it’s just a waste of value.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Apr 27, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Chemistry
I’ve had this same scenario in mind somewhat , trading with Tampa Bay for the #20 pick and trading our #1 pick in 2012 Draft. That way we still have all of our picks for this year. I would rather have Marcus Gilbert at #63 and move up in the early third round for a CB.
With Mike Pouncey and Marcus Gilbert we can get back to ball control running and a quick strike down field with our WR’s. That way our defense wouldn’t have to be on the field so much. And bad as our secondary was last year we still were in our 3rd.Super Bowl in 6yrs. C’mon man, what team can say that! The front office will address our CB issue with a F/A if need be. Be patient and look at the big picture. We have never had lock down CB’s but we still win Super Bowls; 6x and let two get away from us. So I say be patient and have trust in our front office.They know these players and backgrounds better than we do.
CHEMISTRY = MORE SUPER BOWLS
you dont
trade away your 1st round pick for a guard period
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
no doubt
I think it’s more likely that we trade back into the second round this year than trading up in this draft at a high cost. Maybe if that CB from Nebraska slides like some are now predicting we would, but no way do we kill ourselves for a guard (no matter how much we like him).
This site has me convinced drafting Dowling.
But to get the Pouncey twins together… wow. That just reeks of pure, awesome synergy, and Pittsburgh is built on that more than most teams. I think you have to grab that chance if you can do it.
Orlando Franklin was taken at 57 and 61
Not bad though – I am a little unsure about giving up our 2nd rounder for a guard though
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This is really outstanding
Very believable. As much as I would love Pouncey, I really do not want to lose that 2nd round pick. I think we still need to address corner early in the draft, probably with that 2nd round pick. I would give up multiple picks to get Pouncey, but just not the 2nd
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Good mock big_jay
I like getting Pouncey, but I don’t know about giving up that much to get him.
free agent corner
I posted something late in the game as a response, but what if someone like Asomugha wants a ring? He has already been paid crazy money and can’t possibly expect a raise! Hell, I don’t think he and his agent thought even Al Davis would sign that crazy contract they threw out there. Even when he did, they knew all of the performance bench marks were impossible (something like 5 or more int’s, 3 sacks, 70 tackles, etc…) I don’t remember the exact numbers but considering no one ever goes at him they were unattainable so he was out after collecting Peyton Manning money! Crazy like a fox? Now…does he want a ring? Would he accept (and the Steelers pay) somewhere in the 8 – 9 million range? I think that would get him.
pretty good BUT......
if this doesnt work out I would…..
trade out of the 1st and with our2 2nd round picks go for Ijalana (OG) and Ras i (cb)…….
A first AND a second round pick for a guard?
I feel a word coming on … REACH!!!
I want Pouncey but that seems like an act of desperation. I can’t see Colbert doing that move. Now if Pouncey slides farther than the mocks predict (always possible), then I can see us trading up and giving up maybe a 5th rounder or something, but no way do I see this being our only pick for the first 2 days. Especially not when we have other glaring needs at OT, DL, and especially CB. I can’t see anybody giving up that much for a position that typically is filled with mid round picks in the league. That sounds like the type of move the bungles would make.
I think the two brothers may wind up playing together, but most likely that will happen in about 4 years after Mike’s rookie contract is up. Even if Mike becomes an all pro guard, that is too much of a price to pay for that position.
the only player worth giving up a 2nd round pick to move up for
is Patrick Peterson and that’s not going to happen so I doubt we will move up in the first round. Would be nice to get Pouncey, but not at that price.
I think you guys are over-valuing that second round pick. Remember that it is at the end of the second round, basically a third rounder. This isn’t a very deep draft, certainly not like last year’s. It’s better to move up and get a high quality player than to trade back and get a bunch of quality back-ups. If getting Pouncey only costs us our second round pick I would be fine with it.
And trading up for Peterson would cost us our entire draft.
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