Extremely Early Guess at the 53 Man Roster
First of all, let's start off with a few presumptions:
- The Steelers resign Ike Taylor, Willie Colon, Dennis Dixon, Mewelde Moore, Matt Spaeth, and Chris Hoke.
- LaMarr Woodley players under the franchise tag (CBA dependent). Contract negotiations possible.
- Daniel Sepulveda signs his tender (that is if the new CBA has tenders).
- Trai Essex, Tony Hills, and Keyaron Fox are not offered new contracts.
- Aaron Smith restructures his contract.
| QB | Ben Roethlisberger (1) | Dennis Dixon (2) | Byron Leftwich (3) | |
| RB | Rashard Mendenhall (4) | Isaac Redman (5) |
Mewelde Moore (6) | Jonathan Dwyer (7) |
| WR1 | Mike Wallace (8) | Emmanuel Sanders (9) | Limas Sweed (10) | |
| WR2 | Hines Ward (11) | Antonio Brown (12) | Antwaan Randle El (13) | |
| TE/FB | Heath Miller (14) | Matt Spaeth (15) | David Johnson (16) | |
| LT | Max Starks (17) |
Jonathan Scott (18) |
Marcus Gilbert (19) |
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| LG | Chris Kemoeatu (20) |
Doug Legursky (21) | Marcus Gilbert | |
| C | Marukice Pouncey (22) |
Doug Legursky | ||
| RG | Ramon Foster (23) |
Doug Legursky | Marcus Gilbert | |
| RT | Willie Colon (24) |
Flozell Adams (25) |
Marcus Gilbert |
| NT | Casey Hampton (26) |
Chris Hoke (27) |
Steve McLendon (28) |
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| LDE | Ziggy Hood (29) |
Aaron Smith (30) |
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| RDE | Brett Keisel (31) |
Steve McLendon |
Cameron Heyward (32) |
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| LOLB | LaMarr Woodley (33) |
Jason Worilds (34) |
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| ROLB | James Harrison (35) |
Chris Carter (36) |
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| ILB | James Farrior (37) |
Lawrence Timmons (38) |
Stevenson Slyvester (39) |
Larry Foote (40) |
| LCB | Ike Taylor (41) |
Crezdon Butler (42) |
Curtis Brown (43) |
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| RCB | Bryant McFadden (44) |
William Gay (45) |
Cortez Allen (46) |
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| FS | Ryan Clark (47) |
Ryan Mundy (48) |
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| SS | Troy Polamalu (49) |
Will Allen (50) |
Specialist
K - Shaun Suisham (51)
P - Daniel Sepulveda (52)
LS - Greg Warren (53)
Practice Squad
G - Keith Williams
RB - Baron Batch
T - Chris Scott
S - Mana Silva
DT - Ian Williams
TE - Eugene Bright
WR - Wes Lyons
DE - Ra'shon Harris
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I think you either keep Colon or Adams. Adams isn’t going to play the backup in the twilight of his career; my guess is he’d rather retire than to end his playing days as someone’s understudy.
Not to mention Adams is making starter money if he comes back and I doubt the Steelers would want to keep him around if they know he’s not going to start. Colon is also going to be expensive, probably too expensive if they intend to resign Ike and get long term deals with Woodley, Timmons, Polamalu, etc. I think Colon is gone unless he accepts significantly less money than he would probably get on the market.
Drafting Gilbert in the 2nd round says to me that the Steelers are serious about finding a long term RT with position flexibility. My guess is Adams stays for another year backed up by Gilbert while Colon hits the market.
I also don’t see Dixon being Ben’s primary backup. The coaches were more comfortable with Leftwich starting over Dixon last year and I doubt he did anything to change that with his erratic play.
And I don’t know why you sign a slow and seldom used 3rd down specialist like Moore when you’ve got a younger, cheaper option in Barton. Neither is going to see the field a whole lot, especially with Redman becoming Mendenhall’s primary backup, so I tend to think you go with the guy that’s cheaper with more upside.
by BluegrassSteeler on May 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
You could be right, but without Adams and Colon on the roster we would have C. Scott as our 4th OT. I am not a huge fan of that with Starks and Colon coming off major injuries. I’m not sure Colon is going to be as expensive as people perceive. He is a RT, many still think he is a G too, and not a LT coming off a pretty serious injury for a position dependent on footwork. That being said, if I had to pick one of the two I would go with Colon because of his age.
As far as Moore goes, I am not sure how anyone could be down on him after how extremely well he performed in the back half of the year. He was tremendous. And if you saw my Elusivity Rating post, he is pretty good at breaking tackles. The thing is we need a 3rd down back who knows the playbook (3rd downs are the most important and complex down), can pass catch, and is able to pick up blitzes. I love Redman, but he is not a pass catching threat. Batch doesn’t know the playbook and needs to learn how to read and pick up blitzes in the NFL. The only way I see Moore not coming back is if Dwyer has a really good camp. I don’t see Batch making the roster this year.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, when you add in the fact that preseason and camp might be cut out because of the CBA stuff, you have to consider that these rookies learning curve is truncated quite a bit. I doubt Gilbert or Batch would be able to fill in until mid to late season.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not happy with the situation at backup tackle either without Colon, but i suspect that if they get a new CBA done this summer he’ll likely be an FA who the Steelers will be unable to sign without making some serious sacrifices elsewhere. He could also hold out and demand a trade if they ask him to move to guard as well. I like Colon as a player, but i think drafting Gilbert shows that the team is ready to move on from him.
And if you keep Colon I think Adams will simply demand a release or go ahead and retire – he certainly doesn’t need the money he would make to be secure. My assumption is simply that they’ll let Colon go, start Adams, and then insert Gilbert whenever Adams is inured or needs a breather, then start him next year.
Your point on Moore is well taken. He’s certainly a better player than he gets credit for by most. But RB is the one position in which experience doesn’t really pay; most RB’s don’t get better as they go. They’re ready to start coming out of the gate, they eventually wear down, and then they get replaced by another young guy. Even if they brought Moore back for another couple of years, he’d be 3rd or 4th string behind Redman and possibly Dwyer. And he’s get veteran money to do that, I just don’t see the value.
Barton would only see the field on 3rd downs and, as Colbert mentioned, the Texas Tech offense is basically a 3rd down offense in the NFL. He can protect, he can catch, he can run routes. And he brings some additional explosion to the position that Moore can’t at this point. And he’s cheap.
by BluegrassSteeler on May 1, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I have no idea what drafting Gilbert means since his position flexibility is so high. However, I do think that keeping Adams and casting away Colon is short-sighted and not in the team’s best interest. If I had to pick I would go with Colon, because he is younger. I would offer him a reasonable contract and if he doesn’t like it than I’d keep Adams.
That’s a fair point about RBs. Have we ever had a rookie come in and be the 3rd down back immediately? I can’t recall one of the top of my head. We have had Moore since Tomlin got here and before that it was Staley/Haynes, right? Personally, it would terrify me having a young RB in there if Ben audibles to a pass and he is responsible for keeping Ben from having his bell rung. Maybe Barton comes out and dominates the backs on backers drill though. We shall see.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your point on Dixon. He’s had plenty of opportunity and hasn’t taken the #2 job as his own. I have more confidence in Leftwich as the primary backup, and because he knows the system, Dixon is our best option as the #3. I would like to see us sign a QB like Adam Weber as a UFA to push Dixon in camp.
100% agree on Colon/Adams
They’ll keep one or the other. Flozell WONT play backup.
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by SteelerMessican on May 1, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Flozell
has publicly stated that he wants to start.
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by Rebecca Rollett on May 1, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Flozell should start
He was excellent last year. But I would like to see them try guys in different positions this year if we get a training camp.
Our best line should be Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Colon, Adams
it’s to me, just a question of who can play where. I’ve wanted to see them try Colon at LG for a while now, Kemo isn’t the best pulling Guard out there but I think he’d be an outright mauler at RG. I would love to see them try:
LT: Starks
LG: Colon
C: Pouncey
RG: Kemo
RT: Adams
with Legs, Gilbert, Jon Scott and Ramon Foster as reserves. I have no idea how these guys would actually do in those slots as I can’t say I’ve ever seen Colon or Kemo in those positions. But it’s worth seeing if it works I think.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 2, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
by our best line being Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Colon, Adams
I meant those are our 5 best linemen.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 2, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
you push kemo out of his favoured position, and two guys have to relearn their positions. plug colon RG and only he has to relearn it, and he knows where RG goes cause he always plays right beside him. swap sides, and both will have to change stance, change direction of kickslide, and so on. RT>RG is easier than RT>LG or RT>LT because of these reasons. Plus, LG and RG don’t differ much in terms of rungame or passgame, both pull equally
yeah with a shortened offseason it's probably not viable
as you say just moving Colon (or Flozell perhaps) to RG is the quicker to pick up option. I don’t recall seeing Ramon Foster pulling too much last year though. My recollection is with the Steelers it’s mostly the LG pulling… and it tends to be the weakest part of Kemo’s game. He can get out there, but he seems to whiff a lot.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 3, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
that'd be because
pouncey-foster-adams with kemo-pull being a better runblocking combo than starks-kemo-pouncey with foster pulling, esp with foster’s lesser mobility. Plus, our playbook is/was designed with alan faneca in mind, so that’s why LG pull is so prominent. Arians definitely adapted the playbook when he came in, but since he’s a spread coach he will mod WR routes and stuff as he gets promoted… he won’t rebuild blocking schemes, which pretty much have been constant since Faneca.
What I could see happening
To me, the ideal situation is to resign Colon then kick him back inside to RG for a year. I think our line would look pretty good if we did that. He used to play there and I think he would fit in again
this
the coaches used to laugh at the suggestion, now that seem to consider it when asked. if colon is a RFA he’ll obv be back. he’ll probably be an upgrade at G over foster. and we’ll get to see how gilbert looks (if he’s a potential starter) and how colon looks.
playing Guard coming off an achilles injury
might help him ease back in. Guard’s don’t tend to take that first step backwards as far, or fast as Tackles. Less stress on the injured tendon I guess? Maybe…
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 1, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
did Colon play Guard in college?
I thought he was a Tackle for Hofstra? I don’t recall him ever playing Guard for us. I’ve always thought he’d be very good at it, but I’m not sure it’s ever happened has it?
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 1, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 2, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you really see Sweed hanging around? I thought his Career Termination Light started flashing with the development of Sanders and Brown. Also, I would be sorry to see Fox leave. He is a good, though not great, linebacker but a killer on special teams.
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I think Sweed stays for camp and if he shows anything he could stick.
"Strive to live in such a way that the words 'living' and 'praying' are synonymous and interchangeable: A life where you cannot tell when prayers begin or end and your daily actioins are but the numble words to a life-long prayer. - Troy Polamalu.
Sweed is 6’4. And a tall WR would add a lot in the RZ. He is a great route runner and has very good speed for someone his size. If he didn’t have the mental gaffes he could be the best WR on our team. Unfortunately for us, he hasn’t been able to get past those mental blocks.
Off the top of my head I remember 2 personal fouls that Fox had on ST that nearly lost us games. He is more expensive than a rookie for ST. I think it is time we move on.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, right. I had blocked those Fox fouls out, as part of my recovery plan.
Completely agree about Sweed. I was thrilled when we picked him. I just have to wonder how many years we keep him around, waiting for him to mature. No doubt he has the skills. If they start to show up, he would earn his place.
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I think this is his last shot. Last year woulda been but that damn injury
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, he's well worth the shot
We could use the big body.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 1, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. We wouldnt have kept him all offseason with his injury if we werent still holding out hope for him
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by Michael Hewitt on May 1, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for throwing Mana Silva in there for me
I am working a UDFA piece for whenever the new CBA allows it and he is my priority one FA.
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Heyward behind Mcclendon?
If thats the case our first round pick really is a bust.
Ziggy played behind Eason and Kirschke
So is he a bust? Seriously, your arguments are so wrong. It’s like you are not even trying to do any research first.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not too add
How the hell does one become a bust before their rookie season?
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If they go to jail for murder?
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& how the hell are they a good pick?
It is all speculation. If a number one pick can’t beat out a journeyman who can barely get off the practice roster we are in trouble. Also a question John… I would love to here your football backround — did you ever play or coach the game….you come off as thinking you are the second coming of Lombardi.
by frenchy fuqua on May 1, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
& how the hell are they a good pick?
Everyone outside of you is rating the pick a B or better. I haven’t seen one person, besides you, call the pick terrible. There are two reasons I know it is a good pick. I have seen some of his game tape and I can see that he is a very good 5-technique. He can hold the edge well and can fight double teams. That is exactly what Aaron Smith has done for years. Secondly, I am certain that Kevin Colbert knows more than you. He has been ecstatic about this pick and the potential of Heyward, as was Tomlin.
I never played or coached football. All of my knowledge comes from the research and studying I have done since I became a fan of the sport 15 years ago or so. I really do not care if you were a player and a coach. None of that means anything to me. All I can see is the grammatical mess of comments you have put up on here so far and they are very telling.
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
15 years a fan
Now thats telling, I give you points for honesty. Never played or coached the game. More telling. So basically you sit on your ass in front of a computer screen and suddenly you are a football expert. LOL – I ‘ll keep that in mind when you try to make any football analysis. Oh & Colbert definatley knows a helluva alot more than me obviously. That said we desperately need another corner besides Ike who can play now. I would argue some football talk & formations with you but I’m sure it would go right over your head. I’m not enthralled with Heyward but he will be a good not great player. But our team is so close to being a WINNING super bowl team this year and what would have made the TEAM better THIS YEAR was a 1st round cb…. we coulda moved up 5 spots for Smith..who has been called the best cover guy (not all around) cb in the draft. If you think you are gonna get contibutions from our rookies at cb this year… I’m still waiting on those midround cbs from a few years ago to show up.
by frenchy fuqua on May 1, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I am curious, where did you play and coach? Anyway, when did I say I was a football expert? I am just a fan that knows a lot more beyond the rules. I know formations and player types, beyond the casual fan. I didn’t have to play or coach to learn these things. That is one way to get an in depth knowledge, but it is not the only path.
Do you really think the Steelers would move up to grab a player with probably the most character concerns in the draft after the huge hit their image took last off season? I do not think they considered it for that reason. As far as first round CBs go, why are you so hard pressed on them? Who did we have in 2005 or 2008? Ike Taylor (4th), DeShea Townsend (4th), Bryant McFadden (2nd), and Willie Gay (5th). If you are waiting on Keenan Lewis, I would just stop. He looks like a disappointment. Crezdon Butler has a lot of potential that I like and we will see what he has to offer.
I apologize if I came off as a jerk in your post, you seemed like a troll based on your inability to use grammar and the fact that your fanpost was 5 sentences. Let bygones be bygones and we can have some good discussion.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the way the FO thinks
. But our team is so close to being a WINNING super bowl team this year and what would have made the TEAM better THIS YEAR was a 1st round cb…. we coulda moved up 5 spots for Smith..who has been called the best cover guy (not all around) cb in the draft. If you think you are gonna get contibutions from our rookies at cb this year… I’m still waiting on those midround cbs from a few years ago to show up.
They take the long view and that way can consistently contend.
by Steely McSmash on May 4, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Riddlah I care why?
I stopped caring about what other people thought about me after puberty, Hate away LOL
by frenchy fuqua on May 1, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not you again
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by Michael Hewitt on May 1, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
As far as grammar, I am just a poor typist who doesn’t use spell check. As far as playing I played from the time I was 6 till i graduated from a large suburban pittsburgh high school 4a. I was an starting outside LB in high school. I’ve been an avid steeler fan since I can remember and my earliest memories are of the Steelers pre Bradshaw. When I was younger I coached LB for our local high school & coached all my sons teams as he grew up (he’s 6’5— 200 LOL) ..his best sport is hoops. As a coach I can tell you one thing.. especially with kids- its all about the talent. I have (head) coached an undefeated team as well as a winless team and as far as I know I was the same coach. I’m now retired from coaching!!! Anyway I am no super expert but I have a pretty good clue & follow things closely. To bring this full circle the talent of our db’s can no longer be covered up by our front 7. Wonder why (nearly) every year NE crushes us— its not the coaching its that we don’t have enough GOOD db’s to cover all their receivers. Brady gets rid of the ball to fast for us to be effective. This draft no matter how great Heyward turns out to be did not help us in this all important facet of the game and that was my point which I guess I didn’t get across clearly. Anyway no hard feelings here—GO STEELERS!!!!
good for you. I have been playing since I was 7, Im now 17
I will be a Senior and am still playing. I am a WR/CB for the Don Bosco Prep High School (#1 and #5 in the nation the past two years). I Played nickel CB this year and will again my senior year (because Elijah Shumate (a top 100 senior) and Jabrill Peppers the freshman of the year this past year) are ahead of me. I also play WR and had 997 yards and 7 TD’s as a Junior. You don’t hear me talking about that because nobody cares. I know for a fact that I have more football knowledge than you since I am a student of the game. It does not matter if somebody plays football. Just look at my Head Coach, Greg Toal. He never played football yet he is considered the Bob Hurley of HS football. Has head countless D1 coaching offers yet he never played football. Big deal. A lot of people on this site no a whole lot more than you , and me, and you have to prove yourself on this site. You don’t just come out and get respect and so far you have done nothing to gain respect.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 1, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
17??!!! Damn thats young!
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 1, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no wonder he's not getting laid
and I thought I was one of the youngest ones on this site
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how young are you?
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by seton hall and steelers on May 1, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
19
I’ll be 20 in July
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by WVPiratesfan on May 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I turn 18 in 3 days but yea Im pretty young
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by seton hall and steelers on May 1, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Youre 17???
Mindfu…..
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by Michael Hewitt on May 1, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulation on your season
I am very familiar with Don Bosco prep… a perennial powerhouse. A couple things .. you have no idea what I do or do not know. I will tell you this as a 17 yr old player I would never have assumed I knew more than an ex coach or player 30 years my elder.. I guess its a generational thing. Think about this for a moment. Its 30 years & seasons from now and a young player who is born 13 years from now is going to tell you he know more about football than you. Just think about it. I hope you are concentrating as much on the books as your game that is the most important thing. As far as proving myself here..seriously? I am a college graduate with a son on the deans list at WVU and my daughter is the valedictorian of her high school class. Thats all the proof and valedation I need. Good luck next season & more importantly keep hittin the books.
by frenchy fuqua on May 1, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
my god. when will we get someone good enough to replace matt spaeth????
actually he wasn’t too too bad last year…but still had to say that
here’s my take:
1) QB: dixon is cut instead of batch. this will be his first year the kid has to actually prove he can make the team by being a good backup and not because of potential cuz he ain’t gonna get much better being a 4th year backup. i don’t think he can do it.
2) RB: i think moore heads for greener pastures and by greener i’m referring to money. as long as dwyer or batch look okay, moore’s not worth more than about league min to bring back as a 3rd stringer.
3) OL: we have to have someone else on the team who can play G (maybe you’re projecting colon to be the man). otherwise legursky is backing up 3 positions by himself. i’m guessing either C. scott or williams stick.
4) DL: will be interesting to see if mclendon or eason wins out. given A. smith’s injury history along with the emergence of hood he may have to take a pay cut to stick with the team.
6) WR: i’m loving the 6 WR’s. unfortunately, El may get the axe because we could save aprox 1.5 mil (assuming there is a cap) and 2 mil in actual money if he’s cut
7) DB: i know gay has been tendered. but if butler, lewis, cortez, or brown show that they’re better than him he’s gone. i have a feeling we’ll be looking at 5 cb’s.
8) LB: couldn’t agree more.
1) It really wouldn’t surprise me. I thought about doing it too, but I decided to go with youth.
3) Fair point on Legursky. I guess I am not overly excited by Scott or Williams.
4) I mentioned the pay cut for Smith in the preface. Judging by last year I think McLendon and Eason were about even. So I would go with youth.
6) Didn’t we keep 6 WRs last year? Ward, Wallace, ARE, Brown, Sanders, and Battle. It wouldn’t surprise me if they do the same this year. I actually am leaning toward ARE being cut in favor of Battle on ST. I was going to change it just before I posted, but I wasn’t thinking about ST
7) This is how I see the CBs. Ike and McFadden are automatically on the roster. Cortez and Brown will be kept because they would be snatched from the PS and need time to develop/learn the defense. That leaves a battle between Gay, Lewis, and Butler for that last 1 or 2 spots. I think Lewis is not going to develop and Butler has a lot of potential. If they decide to keep just 5, Gay might get axed.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 1, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yep we had 6 wr’s last year…counting the anthony madison of offense (battle)
i agree about how you see cb going down though i think cortez has the chance to get cut if he shows nothing in preseason (colbert’s cut 5/11 4th rd draft picks the same year he drafted them). my reasoning is if one of the younger guys shows he’s better than gay then gay is certainly gone if any 2 other players show potential since he’s probably maxed out on his skills & it’s pointless to keep around a vet just to be a backup 3rd string CB when he has the talent ceiling a 3rd string CB. so if cortez shows something and no one is able to out perform gay, then there is a max of 1 spot to give either lewis or butler. if cortez shows nothing and brown outplays gay, then lewis and butler only have to show potential to each make the team.
and after that probably unnecessary & long explanation of my reasoning that i’m too lazy to delete, i’ll conclude by agreeing that lewis will prob be cut and butler will prob make the team.
Finally
I will make you all happy and leave the site. This is obviously a site filled with young fans and god bless you all & Lets go Steelers. I just came here to voice my displeasure with this draft.( and was subsequently attacked & responded inappropriatly) I hope I am wrong. We will see in the future.
Sorry that you feel that way.
We’re a community here, and you earn your own reputation through your own actions. Note the two quotes on the right sidebar: “Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history” and “Level-headed thinking”. Your first, and only, fanpost declares “Worst Steelers Draft Ever”. Did you expect anything but arguments against?
You back up your arguments with facts like, “They won’t contribute right away”. Unfortunately, not all first round draft picks do so. This is a learning curve for all draft picks, some pick it up and some won’t. That’s why good drafters look beyond the impact on next year and towards the future, where a lot of solid contributors is better than a 50% chance of a star contributor or a bust. If you have your own opinions, that’s fine.
However, lording your supposed “superiority”, “age”, “experience” or “wisdom” over us isn’t going to get you anywhere. Respect people’s opinions, and respond with some thoughtful, level-headed discussion and you’ll get the same in return. Accuse them of sounding like the “second coming of Lombardi” and you will get what you feel are “attacks and inappropriate responses”. Give and take. Think about the above, consider arguments for and against, and meaningfully support your position. If you can’t do that, you can choose to leave the site. Don’t do it because it’ll make us happy, do it for yourself.
Couldnt of said it better myself
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by Michael Hewitt on May 2, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
we want you on the site (at least I do). You did a great job starting a 300 comment discussion
You just need to display your opinions in a calmer manner.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 1, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He's done trolling
I (and others) are a good bit older than he is, but we have tried to be respectful of all points of view. He has chosen to be inflammatory from the beginning and expect others to respect his unsubstantiated assertions as facts. Doesn’t work here!
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My notes
Much of this discussed above already.
You missed out on the status of some Key FA guys. Eason, Hoke, J. Scott, A. Battle are all not mentioned at the top.
1. I’d put Lefty>Dixon
2. Aaaron Smith in my mind starts or retires. I’m guessing he starts one more year.
3. ARE might be a long shot to make the roster with more confidence in the yound guys from last year. Personally I’d keep him as the 3rd QB over Dixon.
4. UDFA could and should challenge speath. Gantt out of Mich St. would be a nice pickup.
5. Agree with sentiments that Flo or Colon make the team, not both. My guess is that Colon walks.
6. Sticking with OL, I’m seeing 10 guys this year versus the 9 you list. Need to add 2 for cutting Colon above. Add C. Scott and K. Williams/Some other Rookie or PS guy IMO. I do agree that J. Scott is the priority gameday backup but needs to be re-signed. Essex is the backup if J. Scott walks.
7. Steve McLendon is probably gone with the addition of Heyward. I know the team lists him at NT but the guy is built like an end and was added last year when we had a shortage of ends. This gives you the roster spot needed on the OL.
8. You didn’t mention Nick Eason. I think he might be the 4th DE at least to start the year as Heyward learns. The roster spot you have Hoke in is a competition between Hoke, Eason, and hopefully an UDFA like Ian Willams. Likely see Eason there with Ziggy backing up NT though.
9. DBs. 10 is a lot on the roster but it’s appropriate considering the draft picks which need to be carried there. Might be a choice of K. Lewis/W. Gay/Madison. I have to say Madison might be the best player, particularly if one of the rooks can be the nickel to start.

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