Mock Draft RESULTS. How did the Experts plus OUR guys do?
Since there seems to be a high interest in MOCK drafts (really, what else is there to talk about during this time of the season), I thought I would put together a post to show the results of some of the well known MOCK drafts. Its fun reading the experts mock, but really whose input should we put the most faith into? Do the so-called experts (Kiper, Mayock, McShay) really know what they're talking about?
We read these mocks because we generally would like to have an idea on who's going where and who the Steelers realistically have a chance to get.
That being said, how do you go about grading a MOCK draft? My system gives a score that for EACH pick, calculates the difference (absolute value) from where the author predicted the player to be drafted and where he ACTUALLY was drafted. I sum up the differences, and the lower the score, the better the mock draft grade. I also looked at a couple of other stats: Quantity of players that were correctly picked to go at the EXACT draft spot, Quantity of players correctly predicted to go in the 1st round, etc.
The MOCK drafts I analyzed were the guys from ESPN, NFL Network, CBS Sportsline, Sports Illustrated, Scout.com, Ed Bouchette, and National Football Post. I also included Big Jay, because I always think he's as good as these experts and wanted to compare. Seton Hall's is included as well. That guy has done a ton of research, but he's a 17 year old kid, and it would be interesting to see how his work stacked up with the experts too. The BTSC Community MOCK is in too.
For this experiment, I also included in MOCK draft of a clueless IDIOT. Someone who doesnt watch game film or even college football for that matter, but reads a lot of draft websites. I will myself play the part of the IDIOT (I know, I know, not a stretch for me). But it's to see if a dolt can do just as good a job picking as the experts. And besides, the only reason I did a mock, was to enter the BUD LIGHT contest.
Some guys did only 1 round, some did 2 or 3. Only Todd McShay, Big Jay, and Seton did a full 7 round mock. A few minor adjustments. Seton's mock only had 250 picks (instead of 254), so for the full draft analysis I used 250. He also skipped 159. If an author picked a guy that didnt get drafted, I treated it as if the player got picked at 255. Big Jay picked Demarco Murray twice, so I adjusted for that. So without further ado, here are the RESULTS.
BEST FIRST ROUND SCORE.
| 1 | Don Banks | -141 |
| 2 | Todd McShay | -147 |
| 3 | Mel Kiper | -165 |
| 4 | Ed Bouchette | -169 |
| 5 | Chad Reuter | -180 |
| 6 | Brian Baldinger | -181 |
| 7 | Mike Mayock | -181 |
| 8 | John Crist | -184 |
| 9 | Chris Steuber | -190 |
| 10 | Big Jay | -191 |
| 11 | Rob Rang | -192 |
| 12 | Na.l Football Post | -193 |
| 13 | Bucky Brooks | -213 |
| 14 | Steve Wyche | -225 |
| 15 | Charles Davis | -240 |
| 16 | Steelermessican | -252 |
| 17 | Pat Kirwan | -255 |
| 18 | Seton Hall | -294 |
| 19 | BTSC Community | -365 |
HIGHEST NUMBER OF FIRST ROUND PICKS AT THE EXACT POSTION
| 1 | Ed Bouchette | 9 |
| 2 | Mel Kiper | 9 |
| 3 | Mike Mayock | 9 |
| 4 | Big Jay | 8 |
| 5 | Brian Baldinger | 8 |
| 6 | Rob Rang | 8 |
| 7 | Todd McShay | 8 |
| 8 | Bucky Brooks | 7 |
| 9 | Don Banks | 7 |
| 10 | John Crist | 7 |
| 11 | Chad Reuter | 6 |
| 12 | Chris Steuber | 6 |
| 13 | Steve Wyche | 6 |
| 14 | Na.l Football Post | 5 |
| 15 | Pat Kirwan | 5 |
| 16 | Steelermessican | 5 |
| 17 | BTSC Community | 3 |
| 18 | Charles Davis | 3 |
| 19 | Seton Hall | 3 |
HIGHEST NUMBER OF PLAYERS CORRECTLY PICKED TO GO IN THE 1ST ROUND
| 1 | Don Banks | 29 |
| 2 | John Crist | 29 |
| 3 | Na.l Football Post | 29 |
| 4 | Steelermessican | 29 |
| 5 | Ed Bouchette | 28 |
| 6 | Mel Kiper | 28 |
| 7 | Rob Rang | 28 |
| 8 | Seton Hall | 28 |
| 9 | Todd McShay | 28 |
| 10 | Big Jay | 27 |
| 11 | Brian Baldinger | 27 |
| 12 | Bucky Brooks | 27 |
| 13 | Chad Reuter | 27 |
| 14 | Charles Davis | 27 |
| 15 | Chris Steuber | 27 |
| 16 | Mike Mayock | 27 |
| 17 | Steve Wyche | 27 |
| 18 | BTSC Community | 26 |
| 19 | Pat Kirwan | 26 |
BEST COMBINED 1ST AND 2ND ROUND SCORE
| 1 | Todd McShay | -718 |
| 2 | Chad Reuter | -757 |
| 3 | Na.l Football Post | -788 |
| 4 | Rob Rang | -977 |
| 5 | BTSC Community | -1044 |
| 6 | Big Jay | -1271 |
| 7 | Seton Hall | -1467 |
BEST COMBINED 1ST, 2ND, AND 3RD ROUND SCORE
| 1 | Todd McShay | -1747 |
| 2 | Na.l Football Post | -2005 |
| 3 | Big Jay | -2552 |
| 4 | Seton Hall | -3553 |
BEST TOTAL COMBINED SCORE (ALL 7 ROUNDS)
| 1 | Todd McShay | -9063 |
| 2 | Big Jay | -10140 |
| 3 | Seton Hall | -12246 |
HIGHEST TOTAL OF PLAYERS PREDICTED TO BE DRAFTED
| 1 | Todd McShay | 199 |
| 2 | Big Jay | 196 |
| 3 | Seton Hall | 185 |
RESULTS ANALYZED
As can be seen, Todd McShay was SOLID and proved well worth his salt. He really set himself apart in the 2nd round. Big Jay had an excellent First round, but was foiled by a Justin Houston pick. Tak, that one pick away and he is right there at top.
Seton, for all his effort, still has a ways to go. But the guy is only 17 and he has impressed a lot of us here at BTSC. He'll do better in the future, but for now I'll take more stock into Big Jay's input.
Me and BTSC Community pretty much stunk it up, which I guess shows that there actually is more to this than just sheer luck. But a strong advantage the experts have, (besides it being their DAY jobs), is that they are well connected and are privy to insider information. They had better info on Bowers falling and it hurt us amateurs.
Anyway, enjoy the results and hopefully this gives us a better idea who to listen to next year.
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Oh and PROPS to Steely Mced McSmash
He won the PREDICT THE STEELERS DRAFT contest. He got 2 draft picks right (Heyward and Cortez). No one else even got one right. Well played my friend.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 1, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Kind of
But I never know why more mockers don’t throw in reaches for QBs in the first. It seems to happen every year.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on May 2, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News is usually the best in the country
I don’t know about your point system, but he got 12 players going to the correct team, including Locker to the Titans, and got two more at the exact number they were picked at
Very interesting
I’ll have to remember to listen to McShay next year. And am I the only one who is surprised at how well Bouchette did?
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Yeah that shocked me.
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by SteelerMessican on May 2, 2011 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
This might be of interest, Mock Draft competitions
http://huddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml
there’s also a Top 100 players selected competition. I think Seton would have been at around 72-74 in that one
http://huddlereport.com/Free/top100scoring.shtml
And yeah Rick Gosselin is consistently the best at this but he apparently has a lot of inside info most of the amateurs don’t. There’s a lot of amateurs on that list by the way. I’ve entered this competition myself, the first year I took over doing the coding for our website I had a go, and this should tell you what an utterly random thing it can be, I never got to watch a down of college football that season I just read a lot. I knew team needs pretty well and team drafting habits pretty well (like Al Davis always picks the fast guy over the slightly slower but better guy). I finished just outside the Top 10, beating amongst others, Mel Kiper Jr. This year? Not so awesome haha. I’m somewhere near the bottom of that list! Order is restored ;)
Thanks for the link, I'll need to check it out.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 2, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Gosselin had 12 guys pegged by the right team in tound 1.
our guy Curt Popejoy had 8 to the correct teams and 11 in the correct draft slot (or 10 if you count Baltimore forgetting to select Jimmy Smith in time to be counted as the 26th pick…) which is pretty good too.
He nearly got Minnesota’s pick right, but he had Ponder going to the Redskins 2 picks earlier so pegged Andy Dalton as the QB the Vikes would reach for ;)
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 2, 2011 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
For my own 1st round mock...
I only got about 3 guys to the right teams. Eek.
But I did get something like 29 guys right in the first round. That was pretty damn good.
Ya win some, ya lose some.
Thanks! I'm no statistician but...
…is there any way to factor in the timing of each mock draft, i.e. how close to the actual thing they were submitted? For the “pros” (i.e. BigJay and seton and even the Idiot are amateurs), their access to so much more info should weigh in on their results.
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Darling: Just doing my job, Blackadder.
Blackadder: Well how lucky you are that your job is also your hobby. "
by Flying Polamalus on May 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Gosselin
keeps his very close to his chest and posts it just hours before the draft. He’s known to have a tonne of inside information so a fair few of his picks are more than educated guesses. Same is probably true for a fair few of the pros with access to at least some teams staffs.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 2, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of the experts did multiple versions.
I.E. they started in say February with version 1.0 and continued updating all the way up to just before the draft. Bouchette was one of the exceptions and posted his only version I think on the day of the draft.
You’re right, the big advantage the pros have is the inside information. They all had Bowers going low and us amateurs had him going high. They knew what the teams were thinking.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 2, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to post this over at Mocking the Draft.
Better yet add Mocking Dan Kadar’s last Mock to the list as well. Really good job
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
I think I'm all mocked out.
That was a b—tch putting in all those teams, double checking name spelling, especially for the 7 round mocks. If I do this next year, I’ll be sure to include Dan.
I’ll see about posting this over there. I’m not a member on that site. Are they part of SBNation. i.e. would I need to set up a username? Maybe Steelermessican is already taken.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 2, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
I hear you… I wrote a mock draft tool as part of the back end to our website. It allowed for up to 7 round mock drafts (though we’ve never done one!) but perhaps I could try adding a “Mock n Go” feature, enable users to build their own mock drafts which would generate html code you could post on your own website, or perhaps even store it on our website and give you a link…
We don’t generally complete our full player database until after the Combine though… So it might just be a feature useable for about a month between the Combine and Draft.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 2, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I sucked this year. Last year I got 8 first round picks right and 30 out of 32 in the 1st round
My Seton Hall blog: http://thesetonhallblog.blogspot.com/
My Steelers blog: thenewsteelcurtain.blogspot.com/
by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Edit
SteelerMessican, I may be confused on your process, but I think there’s a mistake in one of your paragraphs:
“I sum up the differences, and the lower the score, the better the mock draft grade.”
But according to your analysis at the end, the lower the score, the worse the mock draft grade.
Great idea to do this, btw.
I was reading the numbers as negative numbers, and not as dashes. That may be my problem, or just one of them!
Yeah, small mishap on mypart
Those should have been positive numbers. Not sure why I put the negatives. I think i’ll you your excuse and say their dashes. ;)
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 2, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting results
This draft was so weird. Who could have ever seen some of the QB reaches? Or the Falcons trading up for Julio Jones. And the Browns taking Phil Taylor suprised me cause I was under the imrpession they were switching to a 4-3 (that might have been just me). Honestly Seton did well for not having the inside information some of these draft guys seem to get. Seton knows the prospects really well. But its impossible to know what the teams are thinking.
man I nearly put in the trade for the Falcons/Browns
I’d read the Falcons were desperate to get Julio Jones and were looking to trade up and the Browns seemed like the ideal trading partner, but I dismissed it as too far fetched. Stranger Than Fiction.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 2, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I did terribly in my First Round mocks
Version 2.0 had only four picks correct in terms of position drafted. (Peterson, T.Smith, Gabbert and P.Taylor) with 27/32 picked correctly in the 1st
Version 1.0 had the same four picked in the right spots with 27/32 correctly going in the 1st round (a couple different to the previous)
In conclusion….
I sucked
A long way from Pittsburgh PA, in fact, 8653.2 miles to be precise. My blood still bleeds black and gold like the rest of Steeler Nation, proud fan since 2002.
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I have the Cam Newton pick right for the BTSC community draft
"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I say we blame the BTSC mock's ineptitude on the first person to get a pick wrong. We should tar and feather them and then ban them for life.
Oh wait…that was me.
better luck next year.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on May 4, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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