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NFL changes rules on violent hits.

Finally after last years all talk, no action on the subject of steeper penalties for illegal hits, the NFL has alterted the rules on what illigal hits will now cost.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ffd6cd/article/teams-that-commit-multiple-flagrant-hits-will-face-sanctions?module=HP_headlines 

Star-divide

So now the NFL will punish teams as well as players for hits deemed illegal, similarly to off-field conduct.

A couple things cought my eye when reading this.

 A 15-yard penalty will result for anyone who leaves both feet before contact to spring forward and upward into an opponent and delivers a blow to the helmet of his opponent with any part of his helmet.

I thought they already had a rule inplace for this scenario? Like the hit Harrison put on Massaquoi? 

 

Defenseless players cannot be hit in the head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm or shoulder. The definition of such players now includes those throwing a pass; attempting or completing a catch without having time to ward off or avoid contact; a runner whose forward progress has been stopped by a tackler; kickoff or punt returners while the ball is in the air; kickers or punters during a kick or a return; a quarterback during a change of possession; a player who receives a blindside block from a blocker moving toward his own end zone.

 

Notice the part of about "a quarterback during a change of possession"? Call that the Kurt Warner effect. The rest have already been in place I thought.

Also, hits to the head of a passer that aren't considered "forcible" blows will no longer be penalized.

 Here is one change in our favor. Now you can graze a QB's helmet and get away scot free.

But the one that really got under my skin was this one

The punishment will be financial, although league vice president Adolpho Birch said Tuesday that he didn't rule out NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell applying further sanctions such as stripping teams of draft choices.

Now there threating to take away draft picks? Do they want to give us a reason to unite? They've already target Wood and Harrison. Now the whole team? I wouldn't want to be a QB coming up agaisnt this team. 

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Maybe we shouldn't have made so many "flag football" jokes...

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by Steel Spike on May 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't hear the part about draft picks

If its just fines I’m not worried. The steelers will still adjust and they will still win, just like they did after the mel blount rule was put into place in the 70s. Thats what great teams do and I think we have a great group of guys together.

But if you take away draft picks thats just insane. How can you justify that? That’s unprecedented isn’t it? Either way I don’t think it changes how the Steelers will win. But it may change how the game is played, they’re trying to make the teams with the hard nose aggressive style become bad teams. Its kind of rigging the game don’t you think?

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by tannofsteel84 on May 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree that the draft picks are ridiculous. They are ruining the physical style of the game and I see them creating more and more rules every year. This stuff really hurts teams like my Ravens, Steelers and Jets because that’s the way we play by having an intimidating defense. I’m getting tired of the league doing everything they can to help the offense because they much rather have a 35-31 game than a 10-6 type game.

by AV23 on May 25, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The sad thing is

that the defenses will always adjust. Its all pointless just be happy with what you have.

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by tannofsteel84 on May 25, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft picks???

This officially sucks.

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by LV Steelers Fan on May 26, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really is. It's not remotely fair to any hard hitting player out there either

What do want the teams to do, run a cover 2 the whole game?

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 25, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just wonder how it's going to play out

when they say you can’t the forearm of a qb while he’s throwing a pass.

so is taking a swipe to try to throw off his arm now illegal? if so that’s bull.

by t1mmy10 on May 25, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

no..

you cant hit the QB in the head/neck with YOUR forearm.

by hasay on May 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhh

totally misread that. thanks

by t1mmy10 on May 25, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

As the great Jack Lambert once said about QB

Let’s just put them all in dresses. Then I found this one that I think Deebo would agree with “

Yes, I get satisfaction out of hitting a guy and seeing him lie there a while.”

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on May 25, 2011 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

I think our Punter can handle himself out there he doesn’t need any rules to protect him

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on May 25, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

The Sepulverizer

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by Steel Spike on May 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robo-Punter

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on May 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is totally a financial move

The masses like to see high scoring, passing oriented teams, this is opening the NFL to the wider audience. I know that in the UK people complain the NFL is slow paced (our football is 45 minutes without more than a 30 second break) the NFL is trying to make it so that the NFL appeals to more than the current fans.

That said, I think this move directly affects the very best teams in the league, traditionally anyway. If you look at the teams that have had the most sustained success it has been the defense, power teams, not the passing teams who rely on a QB for 15 years then spend 15 years looking for the replacement.

It just makes me look forward more and more to the great Steelers – Ravens games, and all the other brutal defensive battles that hopefully will continue to grace our screens on a Sunday.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 26, 2011 4:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I get a pretty good insight on why people overseas don’t watch the NFL, my friends refuse to watch it because apparently it’s boring. I wish there was a bar that showed it, never mind a Steelers bar.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 26, 2011 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

NFL is slow paced (our football is 45 minutes without more than a 30 second break)

Actually I prefer it the way it is. There’s plenty of time for food/bathroom/idle chit chat breaks during the breaks. But I rarely watch the games alone so my perspective could be a bit off.

That said, I think this move directly affects the very best teams in the league, traditionally anyway. If you look at the teams that have had the most sustained success it has been the defense, power teams, not the passing teams who rely on a QB for 15 years then spend 15 years looking for the replacement.

It also detracts from the team aspect of the sport and it’s puting more and more emphasis on the QB position. I think that it would be much better if the league focused on consistently applying the existing ruleset first and then tweaking the rules further.

by axiomatic on May 26, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t saying that was my opinion, it was a statement that I have heard hundreds of times when I try to get my friends/family/girlfriend to watch a game with me.

I like the breaks because it lets me post a few comments here on BTSC or on the odd occasion talk to my dad about the game.

I don’t see how the move actually effects the idea of it being a team sport, it just constantly shifts the focus more and more towards QB/WR and CB/S rather than OL/RB and DL/LB.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 26, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I’ve heard that as many times as you probably. But while I agree with you that expanding the audience is probably one of the reasons they’re doing it I just don’t see it working. The length of a football game is actually shorter than a soccer match but the added 110 minutes of breaks is what make it seem slower paced.
 
You’re right on the second part my wording was a bit off. But if they keep puting more and more emphasis on the passing game as you said it’ll make some positions less valuable and make the game more one-dimensional as a consequence. But then again looks like having a good solid defense is still one of the keys to get to the playoffs and having success in the post-season. So it’s probably just my perception more than anything.

by axiomatic on May 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i seriously doubt that this is more about getting UK soccer fans

this is about concussions and the need to protect the NFL from retired player lawsuits. even if these are only token changes to the danger, at least the NFL can say they tried when they face these future lawsuits. the evidence is pretty clear that many retired football players are suffering from head trauma.

the real problem is that it may not be these massive blows that causes the damage, it is the day to day repeated head butting that may be the real cause. if this is found to be true this would be the absolute worst thing for football b/c there is no way to stop this type of contact without fundamentally changing the game.

by kk99 on May 26, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No probably not the main reason those would be just an added bonus and are Rogers pet project. I think it’s down to a couple of reasons.

1. Protecting their investments in QB’s and WR’s. Their salaries are high and it makes sense to make sure that the money paid up front does not go to waste.

2.They’re reducing legal exposure and making it appeal to a broader audience.

3. Making a more marketable product by getting better selling points. (Higher scoring games and superstar players)

I can’t really fault them for doing It since I think It’s a good business move I just wish that the execution was better.

the real problem is that it may not be these massive blows that causes the damage, it is the day to day repeated head butting that may be the real cause. if this is found to be true this would be the absolute worst thing for football b/c there is no way to stop this type of contact without fundamentally changing the game.

From what litlle I’ve read on the subject that’s probably the case. Unfortunately the only bookmark I have left is the wiki article on how it manifests in boxing but you can start there if you’re interested and follow the references if you’re interested.
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by axiomatic on May 27, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the NFL cares so hugely about player safety then why is there no incentive for a player to wear a helmet designed to avoid concussions?

Only 2 players in the league wore the most protective helmet last season, Doug Legursky and Peyton Manning.

One of the was arguably the best QB in the league and the other started in the Superbowl, so it can hardly be a huge detriment to performance, now, why if concussions are such a massive issue it that the case?

The players know what they are getting into, from day one when their parents have to sign off to let them go play football. Sports are dangerous, these guys get paid millions of dollars to risk their bodies. I’m fairly sure that wearing a slightly heavier helmet would not destroy their careers.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 27, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could cost be a contributing factor? I have no idea what the equipment prices/budgets are. If safer equipment exists I don’t get it why they don’t make it mandatory for it to be used.

by axiomatic on May 27, 2011 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think cost is an issue, probably just a habit/comfort thing.

In all honesty I question whether or not the players are behind this “safety” angle. They grew up knowing that the sport they loved was violent, why, suddenly when that sport has made you a millionaire do things have to change?

Give it 10 years and the NFL will look like the pro bowl.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 27, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I think players/coaches will never get behind gear changes on their own. It needs to be mandated by the league.

Just look at the HANS device in sports car racing or the intruduction of mandatory helmets in FIS racing. In both cases there was quite a lot of oposition by the athletes.

I think on the professional level the margins are so thin that most
players are more afraid of loosing that competitive edge in favour of something that they don’t see as providing them any improvement in performance.

The only way I see it working is for the governing body to step in do the R&D and make it mandatory.

by axiomatic on May 27, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was Sanders, not Legs

Legursky’s helmet looks normal…

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by Steel Spike on May 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Peyton wears the same helmet as Legs

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by WVPiratesfan on May 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember seeing it reported on NFL.com last year that the only two players wearing the max protection helmet were Peyton and Legs, I’m absolutely certain of it being those two, will look for a link.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 27, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you look closely at legs helmet

you can see the holes on top, its different

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by tannofsteel84 on May 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

or how the facemask connects to the helmet

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by WVPiratesfan on May 30, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are two class-action lawsuits already

broke players will sue the league if they need $ later in life. both sides know the risk but it doesn’t stop anyone from suing. people who say now i would never sue can change their minds very quickly if they are in a difficult financial position.

by kk99 on May 27, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the NFL trying to drive us away from the sport?

What the NFL knows is that they have such a great brand that regardless of what they do to the game (new rules included) that you, me, and the rest of the nation are still going to buy tickets or tune in to Directv (for those like me who live in hellish Baltimore). We just can’t help it… The bad thing is that our game is turning into a corporate process that pits players against owners rather than teams against other teams. Who really pays for it? We do. Who is really to blame? In the famous words of Ben Lovejoy, “I’m going to find out who the culprit is and d o nothing about it.”

by Piratefan13 on May 26, 2011 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point

Soccer is a bust in America for a reason. Americans love football and if you take away from football why Americans love football then it will go the way of baseball. I think the NFL wants their cake and eat it too. They want to appeal to Europe and Americans but these are completely different cultures.

So it goes without saying that we enjoy different aspects about a sport. If you cater to one aspect then it won’t appeal to the other culture. I can’t fault the NFL for trying to create a sport that is appealing to both cultures, thats how you maximize your profit.

But it will be interesting to see if it actually works, can they manage to create a product that Europe and the US can enjoy without losing the US audience. There are some americans that detest everything european.

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by tannofsteel84 on May 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ngata Rule

Can a big ol’ lineman “graze” a helmet with his 20 pound ham-like hand, and without being “forcible”, still break a nose? We’ll find out next time the Steelers play the Ravens; oh, wait, it’s already happened? And you say there was no flag or fine?

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by Flying Polamalus on May 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Wasn't it Suggs?

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by insertscreenname on May 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

T-Sizzle just tried to yank Ben’s helmet off. It was Ngata that shattered his nose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7oIjUCETZI&feature=related

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by Steel Spike on May 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh okay

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by insertscreenname on May 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

big deal about nothing

I really don’t see what’s that new to be upset about here. To me it seems that this is mostly clarifying what they were trying to call last year. Clarification is a good thing. I don’t expect the game to be called much differently as a result of this.

The hit on Massaquoi was unneccesary roughness I believe. 15 yards so it’s essentially the same thing. I like to have the rule better defined so it’s not arbitrary BS. (Now it’s systematic BS)

I’d like to have there be a requirement that head and neck contact was by choice of the defender. What irritates me is that the guy carrying the ball can clearly move his head into contact either inadvertently such as the massaquoi thing or intentionally to draw a foul. There’s a big difference between laying out a QB who doesn’t see you coming and making a hit on a slot receiver over the middle, through traffic who’s in the process of curling himself into a ball.

The “launching” rule is more of a reaction to that hit by the patriots safety this past season. I don’t think the team is doing themselves any favors by over-reacting to this.

a player who receives a blindside block from a blocker moving toward his own end zone.


a little more of the Hines Ward – Keith Rivers action?

by Steely McSmash on May 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a reason why that hasn't happened
I’d like to have there be a requirement that head and neck contact was by choice of the defender.

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That becomes a judgement call for the the refs. The fewer judgement calls the refs make the better the game is.
The main problem is the forfeiting of draft picks. That and it was targeted against us.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on May 26, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t go as far as to say targeting us, but it certainly targets our style of play.

And continues to feed the Patriots, Packers, Colts, Cowboys and Saints.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 27, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its being called the Steelers rule.

And it mainly helps the rest of the NFL and hinders the Jets, Ravens, and us.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on May 27, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the “targeting us” part as meaning, it was being designed to deliberately hut the Steelers, whereas I think it is made to help the passing game more.

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on May 27, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

taking away draft picks a whole new level

Its the NFL saying if you don’t play the way we want you to play then we will do our best to make you a bad football team. To me that affects the integrity of the game and if they ever follow through with that notion and the Steelers become a bad team I will officially be done with NFL they will be no better than wrestling picking which styles they want to succeed.

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by tannofsteel84 on May 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

as long as they enforce it evenly, I have no problem. The draft picks thing is excessive though.

by tkired on May 27, 2011 2:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think the receiver rule will have a negative effect. If the guy is unable to dodge you, hit him right in the chest, put your helmet down. I like this rule and the addition of QB’s, Punters and the extension of the Hines Ward rule you see at the end. It wasn’t illegal, now it is.

Hopefully there’s some consistency there.

As for the QB helmet force rule, like that too. Fining franchises, no real problem there, players are going to play, if the coaches get in trouble from the owner, there’s some more pressure.

The draft picks thing is ridiculous.

The first rule is the tough one. I haven’t seen the actual wording, but from various sources it looks to be just strengthening the penalty for blows to the head of a defenseless player, (getting kicked out of the game is possible) but other places they don’t bring up the defenseless player angle at all, and it seems like a flat no launching and getting helmet to helmet contact rule. Hopefully the actual rule makes sense.

by Phantaskippy on May 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

They allready try to pass this in march but it it was rejected because some coaches thought the wording was to fuzzy. The only diffrence now was that there were no coaches present. I wonder if they published the exact wording anywhere.

On an unrelated note since this is the most interesting football related discussion right now this lockout thing is starting to suck.

by axiomatic on May 27, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they were trying to protect all players.

If someone puts their helmet down, I could see them getting flagged (without knowing the exact wording, or how the refs will be told to interpret it). Put the emphasis back on tackling properly. The draft picks/ team fines forcevthe coqching staff to teach proper tackling.

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by insertscreenname on May 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're trying to protect the "money-maker" positions.

The NFL “has” to protect the QB and WR positions more because they bring more excitement to the game. Believe it or not, there aren’t too many fans out there that want to see a defensive battle more than a shootout. It’s kind of like what the NBA has done now with all the ticky-tack fouls they call so that scoring will increase.

In other words, most people don’t come to football games to see great defense players. They come to see scoring, and lots of it.

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by StoneColdSteel on May 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry too much about the draft picks

Currently there is no union, and that’s not just a dog an pony show. Upshaw was forced to put the union back together after the last work stoppage with a clause in every CBA since that the players have the right to dissolve the union. Smith now has come to the same conclusion as Upshaw did 20 years ago – the players are better off without a union. This is a HUGE deal if they decide to keep it that way and it benefits the players in this:

1) there could be no draft. Every player from college is free to negotiate with any team. This practice has always been a bit dodgy. What other profession besides pro sports has such a thing? You excel in college for your future career, and then somebody who hasn’t even paid you a nickel gets to decide for you where you live and who you work for.
2) no cap limits or any free agency rules. These are only governed by the individual contracts. If the contract is written to keep you or pay a penalty then you’ll stay, but at the end of the contract you absolutely would have the right to go someplace else.

In short, there’s nothing to keep an owner from making a guaranteed contract. There’s nothing to keep the #1 talent from a college class from signing with his favorite team instead of being shipped to some God forsaken place.

If there is no union, then it will be almost impossible for the owners to impose all of their collusive practices because they will be held accountable to the individual states laws that they reside in. There will be no rules stating that such and such player must stay because he’s “tagged” – tagging someone and forcing them to remain in one place would be illegal. The players would fall under the same laws that would keep a company from forcing you to stay instead of taking a pay raise with a competitor.

I’m sure this will get ugly. I’d say it’s 50-50 that there will be a season now. But I will say this, I still side strongly with the players. The owners are playing hard ball to squeeze them, but this entire thing could easily backfire and change the future of the league. This may be a blessing in disguise if your a Steeler fan that is very popular and would have a very large cash base (especially if they were able to have their own TV contract). Sure it would stink for many teams and the parity in the league would wash out, but it could also lead to having some GREAT teams in the future instead of a lot of GOOD teams. I’d feel different if I wasn’t a Steeler fan in the 70’s, but I miss that quality of football since free agency started with a salary cap.

by lkwdsteel on May 27, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Ohh sure thats a great idea.

The only thing that keeps the NFL from becoming like the MLB is the draft a cap system. Take that away and bye bye parity, hello the ability to buy championships. Take away the cap and those teams that make the most money(dallas Washington) will be taking all the good players. Why go to a little city like Pittsburgh for x # of dollars, when I could go to Dallas for twice the amount. The only reason we became a dynasty in the 70’s was the draft. Without a draft we would never have had 1 SB.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on May 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think this is all as big a deal as everyone thinks it will be.

I’ve been watching the NFL for over 30 years and the rules have constantly been evolving the entire time. Can you imagine if the Internet existed in the late 70’s when the NFL announced that they were going to outlaw bump and run coverage? People would have lost their minds. What about in the early 80’s when they started to enforce the “in the grasp” rule for quarterbacks? If facebook had a “dislike” button, it would have had millions of dislikes. Can you imagine the negative comments on message boards and blogs in 1985 when the NFL announced that they would be using instant replay? How harsh do you think the comments would have been during the 5-years of that flawed original instant replay system?

What if the Internet and sports talk radio was around in 1978 when the NFL increased its regular season from 14 to 16 games? I’m sure the outroar what have been great, but today, there is no memory of any sort of outcry. I just think it’s a lot of overreaction.

When you read these new player-safety rules on paper or no NFL.com or something, it makes a legal tackle seem almost impossible. However, when a game is moving at a high-rate of speed, there will be hard hits, there will be brutal games, and there will still be passion. Do you really think the officials will call 15-yard penalties on every play? Do you really think the game will be reduced to flag-football? Do you really think players will stop trying to hit hard? I don’t think any of that will happen.

I’m sure there will be some interpretations of the new rules that leave the fans screaming and crying, but that’s been happening in sports since the beginning of time.

At the end of the day, it will still be football.

by Anthony Defeo on May 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure I can agree. Sure, rules change, but based on last year, there is a fundamental change that the NFL is implementing. The number of games a season, or “in the grasp” or “bump and run” rules changes don’t address the fundamental aspect of football. One man against the other with the combination of physicality and skill determining the winner. What Goodell and the NFL want to do is make it a skill game – and reducing the physicality where it’s acceptable financially and socially/cultural (this also points to expanding the market.)

I’m not talking about this year, or the next. These rule changes are meant to alter and modify the NFL for the next 5- 10 years. By fining organizations with stripping of draft picks, it really aims to punish and change the outlook of that team since draft picks are the future of every organization. This isn’t merely a rule change, but a change in philosophy in light of the fact that it has been two seasons in a row where the physicality is being slowing removed – selectively. Not by design by by luck and ignorance (See what? I didn’t see that helmet hit off the ball..). I suspect it will slow the game down for “reviews” and add advertising dollars. We also cannot deny the appeal of high powered offenses that rely on the pass for intermittent and/or social fans. It’s going the way of arena football.

Do you really think the officials will call 15-yard penalties on every play?

Well, no, but if in fact they cannot enforce the letter of the law, it leaves it up to interpretation. That is the dangerous part. Last years calls were a prime example. I’m not suggesting they will target teams or players, but different officiating crews each week will create very inconsistently called games – adversely affecting the out come of games. The NFL is willing to take the heat this year for a longer term goal. Sanitize the game, and remove liability for injuries late in life. I’d say it’s a financial decision. Don’t get me wrong, I think there are things that can be done to increase player safety, but I think it requires a bit more discussion, and PLAYER INVOLVEMENT. Yes, ambiguity and inconsistency in sports has been forever, but the more the rules are vague and incongruous, the easier it is for that inconsistency to become greater.

Do you really think players will stop trying to hit hard

No, not in the immediate future. But ‘yes’ in the long run. I don’t mean “in the trenches,” but passes over the middle and short routes will be a guaranteed yardage gain, with teams running up and down the field scoring big points.

Just my 2 cents.

by IronJake on May 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know. I'd say eliminating bump and run coverage and allowing a

receiver to run freely through the secondary is a pretty significance change to the fundamentals of football Yes, it did change how the game was played, and that was over 30 years ago. Football is still doing well.

I don’t think the NFL will constantly strip teams of draft choics, do you really think they will?

In 1972, the league moved the hash-marks closer together to try and increase passing, and the NFL went on to have one of its better rushing seasons. The NFL has been trying to favor passing and make it more of a finesse game for decades, but guess what? The players keep getting bigger and stronger and no matter how many rules are made, it will still be the most physical sport. I think we’re worried because it’s May and we have very little else to discuss.

by Anthony Defeo on May 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Short answer :probably not, but I wonder why they even included it in the rules. I haven’t read them in detail, although it’s possible the draft pick thing is NFL’s way of exerting influence and control over the owners as well as the players. I haven’t followed the lock out, so I don’t have an opinion on how these rules are connected, if at all.

If you take away the tackling, what does rugby become? Is it still rugby? There are moments in rugby that are extremely violent, but the intent of the rules is to force the violent clash between two bodies in motion to win. Football used to be the same. These ‘new’ rules mean the officiating is subject to arbitrary and selective enforcement of the very nature of "protecting every blade of grass,’ or the basis of football.

This is fun to debate in May, but at least for the next years football will adapt, and fans will follow their teams and continue the billion dollar business.

by IronJake on May 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that I'm thinking about it more

I see the NFL being kind of like Metallica.

Metallica had a great underground run, and gained a huge fanbase. Same with football. Disco was to baseball, as West Coast metal was to football.

Metallica wanted to change their image, and start making real money. They didn’t care how many fans they lost, because they gained a monstrous new crop.

Anyone else see the parallel? I know it’s a bit stupid, but I still remember when Lars Ulrich started with his lawsuits, and all the 30-something “old school” metal fans started burning Metallica merchandise, swearing they hated the band now.

I can see the same thing happening to the NFL. They don’t care if they piss off all the old hardcore fans. They’re getting old and will die soon anyway, right? Let’s have a kinder, gentler NFL to raise the kids on.

Sorry for the ramblin’ rant. Lightning struck my brain, and I had to get it out before it did irreparable damage.

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by Steel Spike on May 30, 2011 1:58 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This makes total sense.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on May 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

its about the future.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 30, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

so that means in 16 years they will try to go back to what made them successful in the first place

only to realize that it is to late to win the hardcore fans back

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by WVPiratesfan on May 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see the biggest issue in the spectrum of interpretation by the official. Until a play can be reviewed to see if a penalty should have been issued; we’re going to see a lot more yellow flags fall against us than for us….and I don’t see anyone urging the NFL to add any “penalty challenges” to the list.

I believe it’s likely we’ll see a lot more knee & hip injuries as a result of this, too. I don’t blame Harrison a bit for calling it like he sees it.

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by 1BlkGldFan on May 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  


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