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Steelers Draft Analysis: A Rising Tide Lifts All Boats

The good news is that the Steelers got better, perhaps significantly, in the afterglow of the 2011 NFL Draft. The bad news is that every team in the AFC North did the same. All NFL fans are giddy after a draft. It's like Christmas in April. We all have a half dozen shiny new presents to ogle over; new talent, new blood and new hopes. Put simply, it's fun to think of our new toys and envision them helping us get to the promised land. The problem is, a rising tide lifts all boats. While the Steelers may have gotten better, so did everyone else. Mel Kiper gave his annual grades to every team. He issued a B+ or higher to nine of the NFL's 32 teams. Basically, half of the nine, all four of the AFC North teams, received those B+ or higher grades. So, much like a tree falling in a forest and no one hearing it, if everyone got better, did anyone get better? If you are playing poker and the house comes in and gives every player seven extra chips, what difference does it make?

 

While part of me sounds like the Grinch that stole Christmas, reminding you that Santa Claus also brought the entire neighborhood a sack of marbles, there is a major storm that the Steelers have weathered, giving their fans special reason for optimism. It's easy to get a high draft grade when you pick in the top six, like half the AFC North did. Conversely, picking #31 is the penultimate pick in the NFL. You love #32, basking in the glory of a Super Bowl Championship, but drawing the 31 pill is like drawing the Old Maid. If there is one thing I could change about the NFL, it would be the draft structure. I hate it. I could think of a handful of better, fairer, models. How about a snake draft and allow the worst teams to pick their spot on the ladder? How exciting would pre-draft draft be? At the risk of digressing further, allowing a team to pick in the top six in the first, second and third rounds is repulsive to me. I'm all for socialism in professional sports, loving the revenue sharing and salary cap components, but letting a team draft 31 spots higher than another team in every single round is unfair. When you draft in the top six (I know the Browns traded out of that spot, but look what they gained?), you actually get an absolute primo guy plus another first-round talent. There's always a handful of guys who fall out of the first-round who are just as good as the late first-rounders. Then you get rewarded again in the third round. Too much Robin Hood for my blood. I digress to this extent to say how impressed I am that Pittsburgh was able to stand toe-to-toe with the Browns and Bengals despite having one hand tied behind its back.

Looking at the particulars, if you are Baltimore, Cincinnati or Cleveland, you sit around the conference table the entire offseason asking one question: How do we beat Pittsburgh? The answer could be given by the janitor in the room emptying the trash: Attack their corners. Don't bother running, don't even try. A, you can't and B, you don't have to. To that end, all three of Pittsburgh's AFC North foes bolstered their passing attack to the tune of two key players in the first four rounds of the draft. The Bengals spent their first pick thinking about that Pittsburgh secondary and drafted all-world receiver, A.J. Green, and then a gifted quarterback (Andy Dalton), both within the top 36 picks of the draft, as insurance against a pouting Carson Palmer. Cleveland took a beast receiver (Greg Little) in the second round, who would have gone much higher had he not been suspended all of last year at North Carolina. The team has switched to West Coast, adding players, coaches and even the team president, with the single mission of shooting the poison arrow into the heel of Achilles. Colt McCoy is no longer a rookie and the new regime believes Brian Robiskie and Mo Massaquoi were not utilized properly. The Ravens were one piece short, a home run hitter, and they danced in the streets when Torrey Smith fell to the bottom of the second round. Baltimore then added receiver Tandon Doss in the fourth. You can't defeat Achilles by trying to overpower him. You shoot him in the heel where he is vulnerable.

The optimist will tell you that Colbert was being Colbert and handled the draft masterfully. How else can you get such a high grade when you've been dealt the Old Maid? And as far as all this worry about the cornerback position, consider that the Steelers came within one touchdown drive of winning the Super Bowl with their current defensive inventory. Yes, the secondary was vulnerable, but what about the pick six, the Mendenhall fumble, the Ben misfire to a wide-open Wallace - huge plays in the game. Would Pittsburgh have drafted 32nd had any one of those offensive blunders not happened? Really, how bad is the cornerback situation? And didn't Colbert get perhaps a steal in the third round with Curtis Brown? Doesn't the addition of a dynamic Cameron Heyward help the secondary? There is plenty of reason for optimism here. The wildcard, of course, is the re-signing of Ivan Taylor. The optimist will tell you that the NFL Labor situation has helped Pittsburgh's chances of doing just that. Without the ability to sign with another franchise, several teams shored up their secondaries in the draft, lessening the urgency to want or need Taylor. The glass is definitely half full.

And then there's the other shoulder, upon which that little devil is talking. The Steelers do not have Ike Taylor, and while they are the home team, all it takes is just one other team to throw money at him. Then what? A team is as strong as its weakest link. We go with McFadden, who the Cardinals shipped back to Pittsburgh for a ham sandwich after they realized he can't play the position, and Willie Gay, who didn't need to leave for everyone to realize he can't play the position. Then we have Colbert's third and fourth round picks. Are we going into the 2011 season with hopes and dreams pinned on that package? As good as Colbert has been historically in the first round, he is 38% in the second, third and fourth rounds combined, meaning that roughly only one player per year in those three rounds has meaningful impact for the team. Since 2005, only three players that Colbert has drafted in rounds 2-4 have had meaningful impact with the team.

The Steelers will win a bunch of games this fall, assuming they play football. They are talented enough to go 5-1 in the division and be in great position to win it or be a wild card. But unless they re-sign Ivan Taylor, and Curtis Brown has positive impact to at least some degree, their secondary will again be their downfall. It doesn't matter how few yards the legendary run defense gives up. Against quarterbacks named Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers, Coach Tomlin is 1-6 and should be 0-7. Against the rest of the NFL, he is 47-17. That is a stunning statistic. Come playoff time, there will be no more Browns and Bengals and other teams the Steelers can beat without cornerbacks. It is possible the Steelers could luck out miraculously with other teams knocking out those quarterbacks. It almost happened last year. The Jets, with Revis and Cromartie, played and beat the Colts and Patriots before those quarterbacks had a chance to feast on Pittsburgh's secondary. Brees got knocked off also on the NFC side. If Rodgers had lost to Atlanta or Philly on the road, the Steelers may have dodged all those bullets and won another title. But that's not something we can count on again.

What we need to count on is Ike Taylor and Curtis Brown. In my opinion, those are the two most important wildcards to the Steelers playoff success in 2011.

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This division might get intense

But I feel we will have a good hold on the division for the next few years, with the Ravens giving us some scares. Being a Texas fan I have this small part of me rooting for Colt McCoy and I really hope he runs away from the Browns as quickly as he can, but I doubt he will ever be able to shred our defense like Brady can. The Browns still have potential to be a scary team.

The Bungles are clearly behind everyone else. They have to start over at QB and who knows if Dalton was really pan out. They traded Ochocinco and TO for a rookie, though talented, reciever. Of course this team had issues when they had star recievers and a QB. Now they get to take the risk of Dalton not panning out and a high draft pick like Green not working out. The Bengals made all the right moves during hte draft, but like any team with a rookie QB, could easily fall apart if Dalton doesnt pan out.

The Ravens are always going to compete with us. But really no matter how awesome they do in the draft every year they are only going to go as far as Flacco takes them. The heat should be on Flacco to take the Ravens to the promised land soon.

by steelerintexas on May 9, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

AJ Green Might Not Be A Bust

But he’ll have a heck of a time throwing the ball to himself.

by 13thieves on May 9, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's along the same train of thought, but I think the most important wildcard is Carnell Lake

We haven’t really developed any serviceable secondary talent in years, and while some of that blame naturally falls on the front office for drafting, the guys in charge of development certainly have a role in the failure as well.

The next couple seasons should finally shed a little light on the issue – was Ray Horton overvalued as our secondary coach, and can Carnell Lake develop Brown/Allen and/or salvage some of the leftovers from Horton’s tenure?

by barnerburner on May 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I just learned sometning – Control +…For those of us with failing eyesight.

by WyoFan on May 9, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or Control scroll wheel. Up enlarges, down decreases.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on May 9, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is awesome

never knew about it

"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on May 9, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Command + or - for Mac Users ;)

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-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on May 10, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very good point

  Other teams find DBs in the mid rounds that end up quality players.
   So why haven’t the Steelers been able to do the same. Was it because who of less than good input by the scouts and Horton player type preferences or the lack of hands on coaching. Hope fully under C. Lake things will be different and more successful.

The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.

by steeler junky on May 10, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo!

At LB our position coach takes raw talent and makes them into pro bowlers.
On OL Kugler made a huge difference IMO with marginal talent.

In our Secondary it seems that Perry only taught them how to not get burned deep, but didn’t help them to improve their craft to excel. If they guy isn’t a stud coming onto the team, rest assured his skills aren’t going to improve much under Perry. (besides – now that he’s gone it’s easy to blame him).

I’ve got real hope that Lake will get more from the talent he already has, but this lockout can keep him from having an immediate impact. It’s hard to get players to work on proper technique when you can’t even give them a phone call.

by lkwdsteel on May 10, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

epic fail

No idea why I was still on Perry when Horton took over in 2007. That’s what I get for cutting back on coffee.

by lkwdsteel on May 10, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Its the same for everyone.

Colbert doesn’t hit on picks 2-4 but neither do other GMs. So we will have some guys that don’t pan out and so will they. The doomsday scenario is if we don’t have any of our guys pan out 2-4 and they have all of they picks pan out 2-4. Hopefully though this will be the year that 2-4 does pan out. But whats probably more realistic is that we’ll be needing another corner next year. Which is sad because we really need a future NT and ILB on the defense too. But it looks like the Front Office is content to keep fishing for lower round corners, hoping they pan out, and going 1st round for the other needs on this team.

We’ll see how it plays out.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

I started developing the same train of thought as I was reading the piece on the Bengals’ draft: Green doesn’t need to have an All-Pro throwing to him to feast on our secondary, and that’s with factoring in Ike (Ivan? The artist?) Taylor. Without, I shudder. So all three rivals got better, alongside us.

Yes, the tide rises all boats, but some are better moored than others.

To me, this is one year where Colbert might have to bend the Steeler way, and dole out some cash to keep-add a FA CB. Given the fact that free agency is so out of whack this year, the real winners of the draft might be those who work both the non-drafted and available FAs the best to supplement a weird draft.

As the Dallases and Washingtons of this league have demonstrated time and again, it’s not about who throws around the most money. It is rather those who can attract the best who are willing to sacrifice a little for an opportunity to win, as opposed to get rich and fat on a loser, to complement their player development.

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Darling: Just doing my job, Blackadder.

Blackadder: Well how lucky you are that your job is also your hobby. "

by Flying Polamalus on May 9, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Who?

Ike? Nnamdi? I’d love either, but those are the only two ones available right?

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 9, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still say

cut Madison, McFadden, and let Gay walk and sign Nnamdi

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 9, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would totally support this.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 10, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, there's several, actually

Ike, Nnamdi, Cromartie, Jonathan Joseph, and that’s just off the top of my head. I haven’t done any study, considering age, experience, defensive systems known, etc. If Ike is not kept, at a minimum, one of these names, plus a second tier veteran.

"Blackadder: So in the name of security everyone who enters has to have his bottom fondled by this drooling pervert.

Darling: Just doing my job, Blackadder.

Blackadder: Well how lucky you are that your job is also your hobby. "

by Flying Polamalus on May 10, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes to Joseph, hell no to Cromartie.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 10, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing we don't need is Cromartie and his baby mama drama

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by LV Steelers Fan on May 11, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and he sucks at football lol.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 11, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

He is a decent cover. Great at covering tall speedy WR, but sucks at covering shorter WR even those w. speed and quickness.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 12, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Taylor is the solution

Taylor might have been good the first years but lately has been only an average player.

Since Super Bowl against Cardinals he was the cause of 2 touchdowns in that game that could have cost the Super Bowl. During this season he showed a lack of power and strength then tackling and covering pass was just a shame.

McFadden had better numbers that him, even playing like crap. Gay was just worse than these two and it was a shame in the Super Bowl watching him play, in one play he was actually looking at the other side when the runner passed behind him. He was fighting like an idiot with the blocker and he was giving his back to the play, that should have been the last straw and take him out of the game and the team in that moment.

I think with a good experience free agent and these 2 freshman cornerbacks the Steelers will have or maybe won’t have the same issue they would have with the useless Taylor, McFadden and Gay.

And also if possible they should trade Clark and get a good safety or try with Mundy and Polamalu. Polamalu was actually covering for Taylor, Clark and Mcfadden, so I don’t think having these old corners vs freshman corners will change much, but at least the Steelers will have young players trying to give their best instead 3 useless players trying to keep their jobs and playing like crap.

by superSteeler on May 9, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Ike was solid all season, from what I saw, plus he even caught a couple of interceptions.

by tkired on May 9, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Raider fan now a Steeler fan

after you guys picked my Batch I’m on board now. Hope he makes yalls roster. He is a hell’va player and person.

"A job well done is better than a job well said."

by I bleed Red and Black on May 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

it seems

A lot of us here do too.

by OIF3GUNNER on May 9, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baron

I think a lot of us are pulling for the kid. If he doesn’t make it in pro football I suspect he will succeed as a writer.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

His photography is stellar, professional quality. He could do photo journalism with his talents. I assume with his passions and experience he will be heavily involved with non-profit work.

I’m glad being our 7th round pick let me find out about him. I hope he stays here for the positive impact he could have on our city.

by Phantaskippy on May 9, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope we press cover vs the Browns

And try to get them to attack downfield. The Bengals, well, hopefully we can get a lot of pressure against Dalton or Palmer.

The Ravens are worrying, and they’re still somewhat unclear on how to beat

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

At the end of the day, the same thing that seperated the Ravens and Steelers in 2008 & 2010 will seperate them in 2011: Roethlisberger is just a better player than Flacco. And Dalton/Palmer. And McCoy.

This is not to say that Ben can’t have a bad game against any team, including the AFC North, but that he’s going to win much more often than he loses. It’s a QB driven league and the Steelers simply have the best QB in the division.

The Steelers are going to have a good defense in 2011, probably close to their 2010 incarnation. The key to the season won’t be whether or not the pass defense is significantly better – even by traditional (and flawed) statistics they had a Pass D in the upper 3rd of the league. Rather, the key will be whether the Steelers can get more offensive production in 2011 than 2010.

The continued maturation of Wallace, Sanders, Brown and a healthy (and perhaps improved) offensive line make me a bit optimistic in this regard.

by BluegrassSteeler on May 9, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. I think there is potential for this offense to flourish if the offensive line can improve.

Of course, that’s a big if, but Pouncey makes a huge difference and he’s only going to get better. It’s amazing what one elite player can do for an entire unit.

Anyway, I don’t think the Steelers pass defense will ever be dominant, but they can still be very good. They have one of the best safeties in the league and Ryan Clark isn’t bad, either. They just need to improve the depth and not have guys like Anthony Madison defending receivers like Derek Mason in huge playoff games.

by Anthony Defeo on May 10, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't their

pass def ranked #1 in the league in 2008? I think that is dominant. Its just not consistently dominant lol.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 10, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what I see

The Steelers have only one easily identifiable weakness right now, so we want to get all doom and gloom over it. Last year, the Steelers had the fourth most passes attempted against their defense in the league. They gave up the 3rd fewest passing TDs in the league. Is it a weakness relative to their rush D? Yes. But, is it really THAT bad? I just don’t see it.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 9, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The Achilles heel wasn’t our pass defense overall, as you point out. It was our depth. Anthony Madison vs. one of GB’s deep group of WR’s.

I think the depth should improve, Butler Lewis and Brown should turn out one player for this coming season. Troy being healthy (if he gets that back) would make a big difference as well.

People forget how little anyone not named Jordy Nelson did against us. They also forget how well we covered the Jets receivers, they supposedly had a top notch deep group.

by Phantaskippy on May 9, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it's not a problem?

I think it’s a problem when we’ve been lit up by elite QBs in the last two Super Bowls. I would just like to have at least one game against a Peyton or a Brees where we shut them down. I know that’s easier said than done, but somehow the Browns defense managed to sh*t on both Brady and Brees in the same month.

by StoneColdSteel on May 9, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The

reason why elite QBs are elite is because they don’t get shut down very often #justsaying

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 9, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that

But don’t you think that one of the few times they get shut down should be against the #1 or #2 defense in the NFL?

by StoneColdSteel on May 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it always work like that

its about match ups, don’t get me wrong I’m all for upgrading the CBs but just because brady and manning are beating you doesn’t mean you suck, they are elite for a reason

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 10, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean obviously we don't suck, but...

it is frustrating to always get picked apart by the same thing over and over again. I get what you’re saying, but at some point we need to adapt or we will watch the same nightmare against every good QB. I’m not saying we need to pick Rodgers off three times, but we can’t let him have 350 and 3TDs with no turnovers either. Also, toward Phantaskippy, Greg Jennings murdered us too, no body played especially well in the secondary in the Super Bowl.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 10, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't even elite QBs all the time either.

It’s offenses that pass a lot. Sanchez, Gradkowski and Fitzpatrick all had success against us when they abandoned the run and threw. Typically when you make a team one-dimensional it’s a good thing, for us, it’s the opposite. The only reasons the Chargers playoff game, SBXLIII and 2010AFCCG ended up close is because the teams all abandoned the run and passed every play in the second half, lucky for us, they ran out of time. It’s a system/personnel problem as much as it is an elite QB problem. It just happens that the elite QBs really murder us, instead of just kinda murdering us.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 10, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

If any one of these corners pan out we have better depth (I'm banking on 2)

the youth, swagger, and monstrosity we added to the D-Line is going to help out the CBs immensely. I think we’ve had trouble busting up the pocket, getting our assassins in the backfield to destroy MFing QBs who’ve been allowed too much time to throw the ball.

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on May 10, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, ask the Giants, they won a SB because of a dominant D-line making up for average corners.

Granted our pressure seldom comes from the D-line, but if they are forcing double teams, it will free up Harrison and Woodley. Hopefully Heyward and Ziggy can get pressure without sacrificing run defense.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 10, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on May 10, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

uh-what?

Discussion over…. aww I missed it!. lol

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 10, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wolf Brother, in concert with the rest of the team, the pass defense is good enough to win the Division (perhaps) and make the playoffs. But when you get into the playoffs, you are going to face the top quarterbacks and those quarterbacks have proven to be Dick LeBeau’s kryptonite, because of the poor cornerback play. And it IS that bad. The last two times Tom Brady has played against us it was not just a loss, it was a complete joke. We can’t count on avoiding great quarterbacks and tip-toe through the playoffs. Why not address the weak link???

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on May 9, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes corner is a huge issue

But I think the rest of the team is let off the hook too easily. Yes another corner might have been the difference between us winning and losing the super bowl, but the rest of the team didnt exactly bring their A game either. Right now my biggest fear is we fix our CB problem and we still find ways to lose to the Bradys and Rodgers of hte world. Of course these teams are amazing in their own way and we cannot expect to win every single game against them.

by steelerintexas on May 9, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You adjust your CBs' styles to hold Brady and the Pats' offfense,

And you risk getting beaten by a different style of offense (the Jets, perhaps? Pounding runs setting up the deep play-action pass?), maybe one more common in the league. Better off keeping the dominant defense that you have, and hope that you catch Brady on a bad day or have an exceptional one yourself. If I’m not mistaken, that’s how you beat the Colts in the 2005 divisional game.

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by insertscreenname on May 10, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well im sure our coaching staff can find a way to stop anyone with enough talent

And no doubt corners are a huge issue. But I wonder if we would be freaking out about them as much as we do if we would have won that superbowl.

by steelerintexas on May 10, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it that simple?

MR, I agree that I’d like to see us draft upgrades in the secondary, but the biggest issue I have is that you seem convinced that Williams or Dowling were slam dunks. We know that Colbert doesn’t miss in the first round. Given our struggles against the pass in the last two years, if either of those DBs were a sure thing, I am convinced that the FO would not have passed on them. But the fact is that Dowling had injury concerns, and they said that they had Curtis Brown rated as a better cover corner than Williams. I believe the FO had concerns about them, or they thought that Heyward is going to be just as good as an Aaron Smith. I’d rather have a definite future starter than gamble on an area of greater need. Other teams do that, and when you do, you have two weaknesses instead of just the first weakness.

Both those guys could excel or they could be just ok (like BMac and Gay). Even good to great DBs get beat by elite QBs. So, I’m fine with the draft we had. Would you rather have gotten Dowling in the first then realize his injuries were lingering? Would you rather have gotten Williams and realized he was the next Chad Scott rather than the next Carnell Lake?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 10, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The other thing is

1. We haven’t seen what the Steelers plan to do with FA, it most likely is much but you never know

2. Next years draft some elite CBs may fall since there was such a run on them this year.
 
Which is much more likely that if we still need CB help next draft that is where we may take a serious stance on it and draft in the 1st round.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on May 10, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many times has Brady been hit the last two times we played against him? We spend a lot more money and draft picks on guys who are supposed to hit the quarterback, but when a great qb eludes them, it’s the cornerbacks’ fault.

by buddytoledo on May 11, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

In my humble opinion

If We got better at the same rate as our division, and we were the best team in our division last year, there is little to complain about. By that measure, we’re still the best team in the division. Plus, you can’t simply discount our 3rd and 4th round picks but elevate the ones of our opponents.. They have about the same chance of panning out.

Ido habe

by Simonsen on May 9, 2011 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ummm... Continued

I do have the same concerns as you regarding the elite qbs though. However, we have a new secondary coach, two young players with plenty of potential in lewis and butler, and two rookies that are generally rated very well, plus the chance of ike coming back… I still have hope!

by Simonsen on May 9, 2011 9:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You've left out some key pieces at CB

First there’s Lewis, who I admit hasn’t done much yet. However let’s not forget that it took Ike a few years to break out, and this very well could be Keenan’s year. It’s now or never.

Second, there’s Butler who was a rookie last year. The fact he didn’t play isn’t an indictment on his future, it’s just the way things are in Lebeau’s defense. If Troy couldn’t break out his rookie year, then I think it’s a bit premature to write off Butler as a starting CB.

If we go with McFadden and Gay then we are in serious trouble, but that’s far from a sure thing. It’s not up to our rookies this year to shore up the secondary, it’s up to Lewis and Butler.

by lkwdsteel on May 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on Butler

He may end up being a quality CB one day. But lets face it, we will probably start the season with either McFadden or Gay as a #2 or as a nickle.

by steelerintexas on May 10, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

McFadden's main fault last year was that he was injured too much

and that is a liability since we lacked depth behind him. He is still a good tackler.

I will continue to make noise about the lack of pocket busting. The flushing out of non-mobile elite QBs is more likely to produce an errant throw and/or pick. We didn’t produce enough pressure.

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by TVsCHACHI on May 10, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

McFadden wasnt always too good when he wasnt injured

I think McFadden will be fine to stay for another year but we really should look for a young guy to take over eventually (which we are).

I agree with not enough pressure. I dont pretend to be an expect on these defenses so Idk if we just arnt playing well or if the offenses spreading out our defense is making it that much harder to send pressure.

by steelerintexas on May 10, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I’d guess he is on his last leg and will be around for one more year. I too am a layman and never played the game so my theories are just that. I do buy into what I say however :)

Now we wait for football…(crickets)

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-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on May 11, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Curtis Brown

will start at nickle early if not the first game. He is at his best man-man in the slot, which is where he will play. I would not be surprised if William Gay was cut.

I am also quite confident that Heyward will see playing time in nickle situations as well. Rushing the passer up the middle is where he showed his pressuring abilities.

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by Steel_D_43 on May 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Word

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on May 10, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

for a window of common sense in a sea of panic and gloom and doom.

Yes, I know that we live under a higher standard; World Championship or bust! But C’mon. Let’s not get crazy. When you consider what this team had to overcome; the drama around Ben, which resulted in us being written off by not just the pundits, but also pretty much all of Steeler Nation as well around this time last year; Season ending injuries to the two starting offensive tackles; the decision to cut ties with our number one receiver; loss of our best defensive lineman; loss of our best offensive lineman going into the championship game; our best offensive player (Ben) and best defensive player (Troy) playing with injuries that would have benched them under circumstances where the stakes were lower; our second best defensive player (Harrison) under siege psychologically and financially from the league for his style of play.

And, as MR correctly notes, we came within a handful of plays of being world champions.

But let’s focus specifically on the defensive backfield. LeBeau himself has said that no defense is invulnerable. Our particular scheme has always been somewhat open to a certain type of attack, and unfortunately, Brady and Rodgers, accurate passers with a squadron of competent to excellent receivers match up very well with us. Add the fact that half of our starting secondary probably shouldn’t have been on the field at all due to injuries. Now granted, though I will be eternally grateful for the play he made on the Peyton Manning pass to Reggie Wayne in the ‘05 playoffs, I agree that McFadden is not adequate. He helped extend DeShea Townsend’s career because of his inability to seize control of that starting corner position. I have a minor disagreement concerning Gay. He is a nickel/dime reserve that cannot be relied upon to consistently hold down a starting position. Perhaps no great loss if he leaves, but I won’t so easily forget his play in the first Ravens game on that goal line stand.

So where, realistically, does that leave us? Troy, when healthy is an all pro. Taylor and Clark are legitimate pro bowl candidates. Keenan Lewis is the Limas Sweed of the defense; his issues are mental/emotional, not talent related. The rapid development of his childhood friend, Mike Wallace,probably doesn’t help, when you think about it. It doesn’t look good at the moment, but the jury is definitely still out. Too early to tell with Butler. Madison is a solid player as long as you’re not asking him to do more than he’s capable. Who knows what the draftees will be able to contribute immediately. And we don’t know what free agency might bring. But if Taylor stays does anyone believe that a staff that includes Tomlin (made his bones in the league as a secondary coach) LeBeau and Carnell Lake can’t piece together a credible secondary from the material available?

But let’s not lose sight of reality. With no improvements at all if this team is championship caliber. Subtract much of the drama which is not typical and at least some to the injuries and it wouldn’t be fair. If this year’s new additions added just half of the added value that last year’s crop of newcomers brought, then see you in Indianapolis.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on May 10, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

MR, I think C. Butler is the real deal ...

If he can win that 2nd CB spot or push BMac to step up his game and settle into that nickel role with C. Brown as the 4h CB as well as improved play from OL, then the Steelers can still do some great things this year. From what I’ve seen, I believe that C. Butler and C. Brown will bring something to this D that has been in short supply for years — CBs that can make plays on the ball.

I have zero faith in K. Lewis as a CB. Never a good sign when you get time on the field and can’t produce on special teams. That’s why I’m so excited about the potential of Stevenson Sylvester. He and Timmons are two, explosive, 3-down ILBs. Both are good in coverage and dynamite on that Fire X blitz.

by datruth4life2.0 on May 11, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  


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