Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Devils Beat Rangers, Head To Stanley Cup Finals

Statistically Superior: The Best Cornerbacks in the AFC North

Photo

Okay, we are going to completely ignore scheme and everything else and just look at who, statistically, has the best cornerbacks in our division.  I will be using PFF's stats, so if you are not a member you will just have to believe me with the numbers.  Arbitrarily, I will just break it down by tackling, playmaking ability, and coverage skills.  For sake of brevity, I will exclude players with less than 150 snaps

Table notes: The tables are sortable.  Click the table header to sort by that row.  Green boxes represent leader in that category and red boxes represent the worst.  Stops are plays that constitute an offensive failure (that can be a tackle for a loss or a tackle that prevents a 3rd down conversion).  MT = missed tackle.  QB Pr = QB Pressure.  FF = forced fumble.  TA = thrown at.  Rec = reception against.  % Ct = % of TAs caught.  YAC = yards after catch.  PD = pass defensed/deflected.

Star-divide

Tackling

Player Team Snaps Tackles Stops Stop % MT % of T Made
Chris Carr Ravens 1060 58 18 31.03 8 87.9
Josh Wilson Ravens 559 33 9 27.27 3 91.7
Fabian Washington Ravens 534 30 5 16.67 5 85.7
Lardarius Webb Ravens 517 49 11 22.45 4 92.5
Leon Hall Bengals 988 36 13 36.11 7 83.7
Johnathan Joseph Bengals 612 44 16 36.366 5 89.8
Morgan Trent Bengals 201 23 10 43.48 0 100
Adam Jones Bengals 170 11 3 27.27 0 100
Jonathan Wade Bengals 167 15 4 26.67 2 88.2
Sheldon Brown Browns 909 55 16 29.09 8 87.3
Joe Haden Browns 813 51 17 33.33 2 96.2
Eric Wright Browns 727 41 12 29.27 8 83.7
Mike Adams Browns 155 11 4 36.36 2 84.6
Ike Taylor Steelers 996 48 11 22.92 6 88.9
Bryant McFadden Steelers 908 72 26 36.11 5 93.5
William Gay Steelers 587 35 15 42.86 6 85.4
Mr. Average NA 619 38 12 31.05 4.4 89.6

 

As with most of the stat tables I do, I urge you to focus on the percentages rather than straight up numbers.  Those averages accommodate for the difference between Chris Carr's 1000+ snaps and Mike Adams' sub 200.  Carr has more missed tackles than Adams, but he sees the field much less.  Looking at the percent of tackles made, we can see that Carr makes his tackles more often than Adams.

I am not surprised that Bryant McFadden is one of, if not the best tackling cornerback in the division.  Not only does he rarely miss tackles, but he also makes a ton of stops.  The Steelers defense relies heavily on their cornerbacks being able to seal up plays outside the tackles and that is why they love McFadden more than most Steelers fans do.  The most interesting part of the table, in my opinion, is that "Big Play" William Gay leads the division in stop percentage, especially considering he is below average in tackle percentage.  It must be that "boom or bust" we always experience with him.  He either makes really good plays or really bad plays, the middle ground seems to be lost to him.  Ike Taylor?  Just about average.

 

Playmaking Ability

Name Team Snaps QB Sack QB Hit QB Pr Int FF Def. TD "Plays"
Chris Carr Ravens 1060 0 0 5 2 3 0 10
Josh Wilson Ravens 559 0 0 0 3 0 1 4
Fabian Washington Ravens 534 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Lardarius Webb Ravens 517 0 1 1 2 0 0 4
Leon Hall Bengals 988 0 1 0 4 2 0 7
Johnathan Joseph Bengals 612 0 0 0 3 0 1 4
Morgan Trent Bengals 201 0 0 0 1 0 0 1
Adam Jones Bengals 170 0 0 0 1 1 1 3
Jonathan Wade Bengals 167 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sheldon Brown Browns 909 0 0 1 2 0 0 3
Joe Haden Browns 813 1 0 1 6 1 0 9
Eric Wright Browns 727 0 4 3 1 0 0 8
Mike Adams Browns 155 1 2 0 1 0 0 4
Ike Taylor Steelers 996 2 0 2 2 1 0 7
Bryant McFadden Steelers 908 2 0 1 2 2 0 7
William Gay Steelers 587 2 3 3 0 1 0 9

 

Doing averages here is kind of tough because the numbers are not abundant.  We will just have to go off these numbers.  I made up the last category "plays", which is just the total of all the other categories.  The Steelers have the best team of playmakers, averaging 7.7 "plays", which can be credited to LeBeau's zone blitz scheme that brings CB blitzes more often than most other teams.  We could sit here and argue the value of an interception vs. a QB hit, but we will not be.  I am just keeping it simple.

Overall, Chris Carr would be the best playmaker, although Joe Haden's production is more impressive.  On the other end of the spectrum we have Fabian Washington, who made no big plays, despite being in on 534 snaps.  Just behind him would be Sheldon Brown who only made 3 plays on 909 snaps.  I will not pick on Jonathan Wade, because his low total is probably a result of his low snap count.

 

Coverage

Name Team Cov. Snaps TA TA % Rec. % Ct Yd. Avg. YAC Avg. TD %
PD%
Chris Carr Ravens 636 90 14.15 54 60 8.7 2.6 1.11 4.44
Josh Wilson Ravens 387 64 16.54 30 46.88 15.7 5 4.69 14.06
Fabian Washington Ravens 312 51 16.35 35 68.63 15.3 6 5.88 9.8
Lardarius Webb Ravens 392 80 20.41 50 62.5 11 3.2 3.75 5.0
Leon Hall Bengals 563 74 13.14 44 59.46 13.2 5.4 6.76 6.76
Johnathan Joseph Bengals 371 64 17.25 42 65.63 10.4 2.7 4.69 6.25
Morgan Trent Bengals 139 29 20.86 19 65.52 10.5 2.4 0 3.45
Adam Jones Bengals 118 16 13.56 10 62.5 16.2 5.7 12.5 6.25
Jonathan Wade Bengals 91 19 20.88 12 63.16 15.1 3.6 10.5 10.53
Sheldon Brown Browns 481 72 14.97 46 63.89 14.3 5.6 9.72 11.11
Joe Haden Browns 452 77 17.04 41 53.25 12.4 3.4 2.6 14.29
Eric Wright Browns 382 65 17.02 43 66.15 14.5 4.4 9.23 7.69
Mike Adams Browns 233 15 6.44 9 60 9.3 2.7 13.3 13.33
Ike Taylor Steelers 763 90 11.8 52 57.78 12.7 4 1.11 5.56
Bryant McFadden Steelers 642 109 16.98 76 69.72 10.7 2.6 5.5 5.5
William Gay Steelers 519 65 12.52 44 67.69 11.1 3.9 7.69 9.23
Mr. Average
NA 405 61 15.12 38 62.3 12.2 3.86 5.2 8.0

 

As bad as that looks for McFadden and Gay, I kind of expected worse, did you?  We can start out by saying the obvious; their catch rate is God awful.  However, it is not all bad when looking at the numbers.  Both are below average in yards per catch and at or below average in YAC.  They might give up receptions, but it appears that they do not allow a ton of yards after that.  Willie Gay's TD% is awful too, although I think the Patriots game boosted that through the roof.  Surprisingly, Gay gets more passes defensed than our starting two CBs.  Moving on, we can see that Ike Taylor is pretty solid across the board.  He is below average or right around average on all of the categories.  The most impressive number for the Swaggin' University Professor was his extremely low TD% despite his very high coverage snap count. I would probably give the worst coverage CB in the division to McFadden or Fabian Washington.  It is a coin toss.

 

Conclusion

How can we summarize all of this?  Well, technically we cannot.  However, that will not stop me from trying.  Lets make up a statistic that combines several of these numbers.  This statistic is probably very inaccurate, but I figured it would be an interesting way to combine all the numbers and look at how everyone falls.  This breakdwon is for recreational purposes only.  Attempting to use it for commercial use could lead to serious personal harm or embarrassment. I am going to call it the CPmT Rating (Cover, Playmaker, Tackle).

Name Team CPmT Team CPmT
Chris Carr Ravens 63  
Josh Wilson Ravens 69.1  
Fabian Washington Ravens 33.4  
Lardarius Webb Ravens 49.5 53.8
Leon Hall Bengals 53.5  
Johnathan Joseph Bengals 50.4  
Morgan Trent Bengals 46.5  
Adam Jones Bengals 42.5  
Jonathan Wade Bengals 38.8 46.3
Sheldon Brown Browns 48.1  
Joe Haden Browns 79.8  
Eric Wright Browns 44.8  
Mike Adams Browns 46 54.7
Ike Taylor Steelers 58.2  
Bryant McFadden Steelers 58.3  
William Gay Steelers 51.3 55.9

 

I played around with this number for a month or so, trying to get it to something that seemed reasonable.  I am still not 100% satisfied with it, because it is hard to weigh the importance of a turnover versus a good completion percentage against, for example.  Turnovers have been statistically proven to have a strong impact on the outcome of a game, but no such study, to my knowledge, has been done on the latter.  In my opinion, forcing a turnover or making a big stop, is better than having a really low completion percentage.  That is to say, as long as you keep your Y/Comp and YAC fairly low.  Therefore, I think my statistic is a bit weighted in that direction.

Anyway, we can conclude that Joe Haden was an absolute beast last year.  I am not sure if he spent a lot of time guarding #2 WRs in his rookie campaign or #1s, but hopefully a Browns fan will see this and let us know.  He ranks very highly, because of his ability to make plays and keep a low completion rate.  Second place, goes to a Raven FA CB, who I praised quite a bit last season.  His completion % ranks top 10 in the league and he has a knack for making some critical plays.  I think if Ike Taylor walks away, the Steelers might want to consider trying to steal him from the Ravens.  Overall, the Steelers have the highest ranked team.  The reason for this, like I said earlier, is that the Steelers cornerbacks seem to be called upon more often to make big plays (i.e. zone blitz corned blitzes).  Watch out for the Browns, I think they are just around the corner of being an elite defense, which is scary considering how young a majority of their key pieces are.

Comment 38 comments  |  Add comment  |  5 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Kudos, John, for another great round of analysis

BTW, I share your concern about the resurgence of the Browns, and not just on the defensive side of the line of scrimmage.

by Chileburger on Jul 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good work.

Chris Carr and Ike Taylor, gotta love the TD%, that’s sick.

It will always be amusing to me how bad McFadden and Gay look on stat sheets, and yet our pass defense remains on top with an injured Troy.

by Phantaskippy on Jul 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

They look bad in games too lol.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jul 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

On instinct

The Bengals cornerbacks Hall, Joseph, and Jones are the ones that I would pick. When they were both healthy in ‘09 they basically shut down Roethlisberger and athleticism at that position has allowed the team’s D coordinator to come up with an effective plan for our offense. Remember that in the second 2010 game we won with two int TD returns.

I understand that this is an exercise in statistics and I don’t have a huge problem with your methodology/conclusion. However I think that most people would rate the Bengals CBs as the best in the division and among the best in the league.

by prophicide on Jul 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe/maybe not

I would never say we had the best CBs in the division, but I think the notion that ours absolutely suck is, well, not right. Are they shutdown man-to-man corners? No. And we do not ask them to be. We play them in our zone blitz scheme and McFadden specifically thrives in that scheme (even more so when healthy).

I think just saying which corners are the best cover guys is not a good way to judge it. That totally negates other important aspects of being a football player like tackling and forcing turnovers, for example. I don’t know it down to the numbers, but I’d bet that a single turnover has a larger impact that giving up only 50% comp rate in a single game.

In that second game against the Bengals, Ben also completed 65% of his passes and had a very impressive 7.8 y/c. He didn’t get a score, but he was very efficient.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 22, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

McFadden

I don’t think a guy who gave up 22 more catches than the 2nd place CB in that category thrives in anything. The best corner guys are the ones who can actually cover. Being able to tackle is just a bonus at that position just like a WR who can block or a RB who can catch. If he was able to come up with timely turnovers that could turn games around that would be great but he doesn’t. I don’t care how good of a tackler McFadden is since he gives up numerous receptions and continuely fails to make plays on the ball. I was pleased at the time when the Steelers reacquired him but he was a major disappointment last season. Hopefully he can rebound this year especially with the question surrounding Taylor resigning.

Joe Haden might as well book plans for Hawaii every year. He had a terrific season despite being surrounded by less than ideal players. He is just going to get better and better. He and Mike Wallace should have a great rivalry for years to come in the division.

As always great information posted by you. Really interesting to read.

Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.

by Black&GoldTrain on Jul 23, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just reaffirmed what I said. I said he is not a great cover corner, but he excels in our defense because of his tackling skills. I thought he started off tremendously last season until that hip injury came along and nagged him for the rest of the season. I still think he won the battle against Roddy White, despite him catching 7 of 11 passes thrown that way. I say he won because he kept him out of the endzone, held him to a measly 6.3 yards per target, and only 9 YAC. Say what you want, but if you can do that to the other team’s best WR every week you are going to win a lot of football games.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it helps that they are both 1st rounders

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 22, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

whether or not they are the best..

They failed in a the biggest game!

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Jul 22, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

they failed in the biggest game..

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Jul 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm....

Losing the turnover battle 3-0 lost us that game.

" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"

" In America" Charlie Daniels Band

by idiscgolftexas on Jul 22, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

true but..

3rd down and 10…31 yd gain late in the game was a killer in-spite of the three turnovers..

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Jul 22, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Not one CB made a single play all game. It could have been worst if GB’s WRs could have held onto the ball. The Steelers CBs were abused badly in the Super Bowl.

Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.

by Black&GoldTrain on Jul 23, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC McFadden was hurt pretty much the entire game. And wouldn’t ya know, Madison did pretty awful in his place. And as idiscgolftexas said, the 3 turnovers killed us

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 22, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have an elite #1 receiver and 3 other receivers that could be #2's on most other teams

How well do you expect us to defend that?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 22, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff John!

"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Jul 22, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job. Some stats come up similar to what I thought about these CBs, some are making me re-think what I thought I knew. Love that these stats pass the eye-test, yet reveal something beyond my preconceived notions.

by tkired on Jul 22, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I still think we could upgrade Gay, but I am pretty comfortable with McFadden as #2 for now.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

-continued-

For the Steelers. He could play inside or outside, be our no.1 corner playing the slot & push BMac 2 start.

by datruth4life2.0 on Jul 22, 2011 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think the Ravens have any plans of letting him go

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn straight.

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep dreaming

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome job!

This stat-geekyness is exactly what I missed at btsc. Thanks john! Now I can go to camp (god, lets hope) and pretend like I know my cb stuff :) a la"yeah willie gay sucked last year, but have you seen his stop percentage?"

by Simonsen on Jul 22, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hahaha

Good stuff. You can mention his CPmT score and totally confuse people.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gold :)

I just have to use that now!

by Simonsen on Jul 23, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very nice write up. Many of us felt Chris Carr was our most consistent CB all year and I guess this reaffirms our beliefs. Well done.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Jul 22, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Outstanding Johnny

Haden was amazing for his first year starting. Didnt realise Chris Carr had played that good either

A long way from Pittsburgh PA, in fact, 8653.2 miles to be precise. My blood still bleeds black and gold like the rest of Steeler Nation, proud fan since 2002.

BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia

by Michael Hewitt on Jul 22, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I’m still waiting for a Browns fan to swing by…

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree about Josh Wilson

I thought he stood out in both Steeler’s games last year


"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente

by michaelbro8 on Jul 23, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Stay away!

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job

Johnny Stats!

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 24, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  


User Tools

Welcome to BTSC, a blog dedicated to the SIX-time world champion Steelers.

"Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history."

Art Rooney Jr.

"Level-headed thinking." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Your all time Steeler regret?
5467103_small
Hines Ward: a different look part 1. Hines vs. the big boys.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Isaac Redman 2012: Should we temper our expectations?
Photo_small
Worry Warts
6-trophies_small
The Saint Will Be The Starter for 2012 - The Whole Season.
Trophies_small
Why Is Rashard Mendenhall Still On This Roster?
2009-week6_1440x900_benroethlisberger_small
Pads - To wear or not to wear
Small
53 Man Roster (Way too early edition)
Small
WHEN DO TICKETS GO ON SALE?
Small
Submitted for your approval: Steeler names for this year's pledge class
Small
The biggest offseason ever

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Terrible Towel Talk

Listen to internet radio with Michael Bean on Blog Talk Radio


Site Founder & Editor

Imag0299_small Michael Bean

Steelers Historian

Steeler_small maryrose

Bison_small Neal Coolong

Contributing Authors

Small Ivan Cole (RickVa)

Franco72_small 5020

Btsc_head_shot_small Rebecca Rollett

Small big_jay71

Hines_small John Stephens

178896_499126548441_596563441_5939410_7960015_n_small Anthony Defeo