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Releasing Max Starks Was Always One of Steelers' Most Viable Options to Cut Salary for 2011

Wednesday was a relatively quiet day for the Pittsburgh Steelers in free agency. That's not too surprising though. at least in terms of them agreeing to terms on free agents. Clearly the Steelers have quite a few decisions and transactions to make before August 4th when newly signed free agents are allowed to fully participate in training camp, and according to reports, it looks like Thursday will bring official news of at least one prominent starter being cut.

Here's what I believe is on tap for the Steelers for the remainder of free agency:

* I'm kicking myself for not having time to reiterate this idea before Jason LaCanfora reported on Twitter that  the Steelers were planning on cutting the veteran left tackle.. 

I did at least mention in this year's edition of the Pittsburgh Steelers Annual for Maple Street Press that it might 'behoove' the Steelers to release Starks.  And I remember going on record in an early April episode of Steel Curtain Radio suggesting that the Steelers would be prudent to consider cutting Starks and instead going with Jonathan Scott at left tackle -- for money-saving purposes of course. I posed the question to Jim Wexell and JJ Cooper.

Star-divide

(37:10 mark )

"What would you think about cutting Max Starks and going with Jonathan Scott at left tackle. There's just such a huge difference in the amount of money they're earning, and I really don't think there's that much of a difference in level of play."

Both had understandable reasons to be skeptical of any plan that went with Jonathan Scott at left tackle in 2011, Fair enough, but as Cooper determines in his awesome article for the upcoming MSP Steelers Annual, Roethlisberger deserves more of the blame than we all realize for the high number of sacks and pressures. Of course, there's the simple fact that even though it may have been ugly at times, we know that Pittsburgh can make it to the Super Bowl with Jonathan Scott at left tackle.  We'll see if Scott continues to develop or not, but I found it interesting that neither had much to say about why Starks should be the guy and worth the $7-plus million he was scheduled to make in both '11 and '12. 

(39:30 mark)

"I guess I just don't see Max Starks being head and shoulders above him, and if there's going to be a tackle taken in the first two or three rounds, presumably that person is looking to take over for Max Starks in two years anyway. So it just seems like there's a lot of money to be saved there. Maybe even spend it on a corner in free agency"

Starks is a better tackle than Scott at this point in their respective careers, don't get me wrong. Just not that much better, and certainly not worth the millions of dollars separating their paychecks.

* So, after saving over $5 million by releasing Starks, the Steelers may not need to take such tough stances with other players. They'll of course need to re-sign Scott. I believe the best option is to give him a four-year deal. Offering a two year deal will mean higher cap hits in '11 and '12 whereas a four-year deal would allow any signing bonus or guaranteed money to be prorated over more years.

Furthermore, what if Scott continues to develop under Sean Kugler and turns into an above average lineman in the next year or two? (Right now I'd say he's trending up, but not at a place where he can realistically expect to get paid more than $1.5 - $.2.0 million per year. That might change in two years time. Even if the Steelers have a better option at left tackle in 2013, it would be nice to have an experienced Scott on the depth chart to fill any number of reserve roles in a pinch.

* Aaron Smith might restructure his contract, but forget the idea of him being released under any circumstances. Ain't happening, period. The Chief kept Rocky Bleier on the payroll for years while he rehabilitated a leg injury suffered in Vietnam for five grueling years. The bond between the Steelers organization and Smith has long been sealed for life. I think it's more likely that they'll extend Smith for a year or perhaps even two, roll his salary into a signing bonus, and diffuse the cap hit for '11. The Steelers have enough young, inexpensive contributors on their roster where they don't need to do anything drastic with a guy like Smith. Maybe he agrees to take $2 million less in '11, but honestly I don't think the Steelers will have any problem making tough choices elsewhere because of how much value Smith has provided over the past decade, and continues to do so in the locker room even when injured. Business is business, and the Steelers aren't afraid of playing hard ball. But you don't become the gold standard of organizational excellence by being chinsy to your veteran 'lifers' who've made you proud (and loads of money) time and again over the years. That's not to say you overpay for past performance by offering new contracts, just that you don't back out of a very reasonable, mutually agreed upon deal to save one the margins in a single year. If Smith were due $12-$15 over two years, yeah, you have to think about restructuring. But I am not sure it's necessary in this situation, particularly after the Steelers made the right decision with Starks.

* Bring Willie Colon back for three years, but only pay him guard money. Let Colon finally compete at guard in 2011 while Flozell Adams finishes out his two-year deal as the team's right tackle. If Jonathan Scott gets injured or is stinking up the joint, maybe you move Adams over the LT on short notice and hope he hits lightning in a bottle like he did at RT in '10. You then slide Colon back to RT in Adams' place.

The debate about moving Colon to guard is nothing new, but all we really need to ask ourselves is this: is Willie Colon really going to be any sort of downgrade over the other candidates? The only guy you maybe feel more comfortable with is Doug Legursky, but he hasn't played much guard in the NFL, and has only a fraction of the overall experience Colon does. I think Colon would be just fine playing next to Maurkice Pouncey and Flozell Adams for a year.

* Not to sound unappreciative, but Arnaz Battle is definitely gone. Easy cap savings there.

* A harder but equally prudent decision is parting ways with Antwaan Randle El. I love Randle El and wish he could be on the team, but with just 53 roster spots and a hard cap, it's a decision you have to make. Randle El himself admitted that the numbers aren't in his favor because of the emergence of Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown.

* Honestly, I think I'd ask James Farrior to restructure over Aaron Smith. Farrior is owed more than $6 million I believe this year. He has proven to be well worth the investment since his extension, but I don't think Farrior would be averse to taking a pay cut to stay with the Steelers. If he's not interested, then you can always try to bring back Keyaron Fox to play alongside Lawrence Timmons, who's primed to have a dominating year in '11. There's also Larry Foote as an option. Not cheap, Foote still would cost less than half of what Farrior would, and I don't think that the decline in productivity would be all that pronounced.  Of course, Farrior is arguably the top dog on Dick LeBeau's defense, the absolutely heart and soul of the unit, as well as the savvy quarterback that directs traffic. Still, he got a fat payday in his 30s and has lasted longer than most anybody thought he would. The contract was back-loaded in a way, likely because the Steelers didn't think he'd still be going this strong at the outset of the '11 season. Well, he is, but I don't think Farrior is too proud to realize that he can still be appreciated without taking up quite so much cap space at 36 years of age.

* As for LaMarr Woodley, well, I need to look at the cap numbers, but I'm sticking to my story that the Steelers might not feel too inclined to commit mega-dollars to him at this point. Every contract it seems is a huge one in free agency this year, and if Woodley and his agent decide he needs to be paid like a top-five pass-rushing LB, than I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers take a pass. The time is now to try to work out a long-term deal, before other teams can overbid for his services. But if he says no, then I see no reason why the Steelers wouldn't trust Jason Worilds to develop into a starting caliber OLB by 2012 at the latest. We'll see. Should get interesting quickly on Thursday afternoon. Go Steelers!

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Max Starks is the only player in NFL history to win two different Super Bowls starting at each tackle position. While that has little to do with Bean’s overall point, I always enjoyed that stat, and I still think the world of Max Starks. Tough decisions have to be made…

by Neal Coolong on Jul 28, 2011 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

like him just fine too

But we were desperate when he got his big payday, we’re not anymore, and he ain’t worth what he was on the books for.

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by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2011 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marvel Smith

I think most will remember Smith…the circumstances behind his release aren’t much different than it appears they are around Starks. Both went into training camp after having been injured the previous year. Both were due a lot of money, and both had comparable talent back-ups at a far smaller price tag.

by Neal Coolong on Jul 28, 2011 7:08 AM EDT reply actions  

good point

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bummer

I’ve always been a big Starks fan and I think his best play is head and shoulders above scotts Scott was dominated by elite level guys but Starks could rise to the occasion against the Dwight freenys and Suggs of the league. Remember Suggs in the backfield in under 2 seconds on a third of the snaps last year. Hopefully this is a cut and re sign. With the hope that Starks injury will keep other teams away for a few days. Scott was with outlet in buffalo He’s already developed. What we see is what we get. The weekday player on our o line

by Micculus on Jul 28, 2011 7:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

guess u forgot Scott handling Jets O Line just fine in AFCCG

He’s not much worse than Starks, period. Another year with Kugler and he can be right there with him at fraction of cost. No reason to feel bad about this loss. Great to move on from Starks. Too expensive for his ability. Need better solution long term anyway, why not pay Scott a LOT less to hold down the fort while they find that long term solution at LT.

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by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

jets D Line that is

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by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree With you Michael

First – thanks for the well written article. Scott showed a lot of promise in the playoff games vs the Jets AND Green Bay. He is a lot cheaper than Starks and plays a better game. Hopefully he will improve even more this year. Sorry to see ARE go, but his time was up. Would hate to see Aaron Smith go, but if he does not take a serious cut in pay, he may also need to go. Another cut in salary should be taken by Farrior and Foote. Sly Stevenson showed a lot of promise last year. We can afford to let Fox go. Heard we were thinking about pursuing Kiki – hope it isn’t so. We have good young backs in Redmon and Dwyer – and hopefully Baron Batch can move Mwelde More to the cut list. After dropping some of our deadweight at DB we should have a lot more salary cap money. Hopefully Crezon Butler and Lewis can up their game this year. Wouldn’t mind seeing us take CB Carlos Rodgers from FA, if we can get him at a good price. Am looking for Anthony Gray (UDFA) from Mississippi Southern to send Hoke to the cut list also and give Casey all the competition he can handle at NG.

by Allen F on Jul 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

An UDFA isn't giving Casey any competition at all

I am willing to bet my house on that.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Harrison was an UDFA at one time.

I think that this kid is going to be a sleeper. He will be at a disadvantage though, because of the new CBA. There will not be a lot of opportunity for him to prove himself. I just finished looked at Casey waddling into camp. Don’t get me wrong – I love all of my Steelers. I just want to see the rookies make the vets work to keep their starting time and minutes.

by Allen F on Jul 29, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

James didn't challenge anybody for their starting spot his rookie year

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 29, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison didn't even HAVE a rookie year...

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by Steel Spike on Jul 29, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

We shall have to wait and see how it turns out

I am pulling for this kid. I think that he will impress. We need backup at this position.

by Allen F on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moore is a UFA

no need to cut and I don’t see us resigning him with Batch and now John Clay from Wisconsin.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula

by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t count on Gray challenging Hampton for anything this year. I don’t think he will even make the 53.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Jul 29, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

‘What you see is what you get’ — that’s Starks! He’s older, more experienced than Scott.

Scott has some room to grow still. Starks not so much, especially with his injury history. Again though, comes down to money and Starks wasn’t worth that money. He lucked out because of how desperate we were at T when he signed.

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by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

"injury history"

Backs don’t improve. His injuries are signs of debilitation. Sorry, Max.

My heros have always been Steelers...

by wozzle on Jul 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I phone changed kugler To outlet somehow??

by Micculus on Jul 28, 2011 7:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agree

completely on ARE, love him but can’t see paying for him.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Jul 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

OOoops

hit the wrong button mid thought.

I also don’t think we will be able to get Colon to stay for what the team will offer.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Jul 28, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another injury issue;

Achilles tendons rarely rupture, but when they do, they’re prone to do it again.

My heros have always been Steelers...

by wozzle on Jul 28, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest gripe about Starks

Is that he was extremely inconsistent. He would show up in a big way against top competition (remember Allen and Dumervil in 2009?), but then he would get dominated by a weaker opponent.

Something I read or heard about his injury last year made me really skeptical that he could ever return to his level of play. I do wish him the best, but he just wasn’t worth the cash we owed him.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

can't buy it

I can’t buy the loyalty argument for Aaron Smith for one reason, and he’s named Dermontti Dawson.

by buddytoledo on Jul 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Different FO today than when Dirt was let go

Offense may sell tickets, but defense wins championships

by canadianblackandgold on Jul 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cut Kemo while we're at it

Save another $4m, give that plus some to Colon and have Willie take over G spot. He’d be an upgrade as Kemo was often our worst OL last year and plays “stupid”. Coming off his Achilles injury, the movement needed at guard will be easier for him than at RT. But if he does come back 100%, he offers position flexibility in case we need to move him outside to RT.

by Blackadar on Jul 28, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't Agree with You

Granted that Kemo makes some bonehead mistakes and a couple of false starts during the season. But, I would rather have him playing with us than against us. I love his toughness. He just needs to reign in his enthusiasm at times.

by Allen F on Jul 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jets are more than $10 million UNDER salary cap, according to two NFL capologists. Might make the Jets the favorite to land Nnamdi Asomugha.

I call shenanigans!

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Also

I think NYSF4 might cry, but Bush just signed a deal with Miami

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I mean, come on...

You can’’t really tell me he wouldn’t be a great fit in Pittsburgh :)

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 28, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he would, but who knows. Ha

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't be a great fit in Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has been over-rated thus far.

To me, he has NOT lived up to what was expected from him when he left college. He is a talented young player. Maybe the move to Miami will let him get his game together. He has not done it thus far. I’m hoping this kid Baron Batch will be our version of what Reggie Bush could be.

by Allen F on Jul 29, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's official

Tweet from Steelers:

We have released Max Starks and Antwaan Randle El

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Saw that

good news on both fronts.
How much money does that free up right now?

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think about 7.5 from the two

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

that we may be making a play at Buress. Gives you some really interesting options on offense.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a huge fan of going after Burress, especially not if he wants 5 million a season. If Tomlin really did like him, I wouldn’t offer him more than 2 million.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hansworth to pats

just crazy, absolutely crazy. I guess they are hoping he is another moss.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

If they play him as a 5-technique he could be

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Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats what I dont understand

they are a 3-4 team he complained about playing for a 3-4, he is strickly 4-3, BB must have some pictures that can make AH play hard

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't want to play NT, which is what they were asking him to do

If NE plays him as an end, he’ll get more one-on-one matchups. Belichick will probably move him all over the place like the Titans did the last two years Albert was there.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

crazy like a fox

haynesworth is costing only $5.4mm and a 2013 draft pick. you know they have done their due diligence and they believe it is a good risk they can rehab him.

belicheck has done this at least 5 or 6 times, remember harrison.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Just a fifth round pick too

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two Things

Unless the Starks cut is injury related (or his current physical condition – i.e. weight – just makes him unable to play, the Steelers might offer him a lesser deal to come back. He’s still the best option at LT if he’s on the roster, but like Michael said he’s probably not worth the cash he’d be getting. He might not be done with the Steelers thought.

Second, I really think Woodley is a guy you have lock up. Or, at least, it seems like you do. The Steelers D is built around the ability to generate pressure with minimal risk – the reason they can get by without good cover corners is because you have pass rushers that can win their one and one’s. With an aging Harrison and uncertainty with Worilds and Carter, I tend to think Woodley is an ascending player who the Steelers will need to protect a secondary full of mid- to late round CB’s (and Troy too, of course).

by BluegrassSteeler on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I ran into Starks at the Pittsburgh airport in mid June

He looked to be in great shape, and was huge. Flew to Atlanta in gate next to mine. Dressed like a teenager though, stained oversized T shirt and shorts.

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by SteelersVT on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Think you could tell the difference between 345 and 380-390?

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he is now close to 400 so maybe his

diet was solely pizza and fried chicken for last month?

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mmmm. Pizza.

And donuts. Is there anything they can’t do?

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- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Jul 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year at Latrobe,

I saw both Starks and Flozell exiting the training facility, side by side. Truly an amazing sight…. These guys are huge

by ToonaSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can make you feel really good

Not about yourself though.

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Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling we are going to sign him

For 6-8 million on a 2 year deal

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good

I hope they overpay him and not us

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

belicheck would have been a master trader on wall street

i can’t bet against him, there are at least 3 who were at the end of their rope, left for dead and somehow they miraculously became productive in NE.

rodney harrison, released from chargers helped win 2 super bowls immediately.
corey dillon, dead in cinci, rushed for 1675 yds 1st year in NE, instrument in 2004 SB.
randy moss, career dead in oakland but helps NE go undefeated in regular season with big production.

are you going to bet that they don’t get great value out of haynesworth?

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i never said he was ethical

but then again, a number of the best on wall street cheat too. well we know they do it’s just the SEC is asleep at the wheel.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes they are asleep, but most of the time they are just not able to catch the subtle cheaters

Goldman Sachs was getting away with murder for years before anyone knew what was going on. They were able to ‘see’ trades split seconds before they happened and bet on the margins: free, easy money.

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by SteelersVT on Jul 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

but simons at renaissance tech almost certainly cheated with insider information

and some of his former traders have been implicated in the Raj Rajaratnam scandal but they can’t catch the guy. they need to put some guys away like they did with ivan boesky.

what goldman did wasn’t cheating, they just found an edge and used it. other firms catch on quick to that kind of trading, too hard to keep it secret. all you need to do is hire one of their computer programmers and build your own system.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interestingly about BB

he is an economics major

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula

by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are the Redskins

the worst Franchise in Football?

You just traded away 2 players that cost you nearly 200 million dollars and produced almost nothing of value for your team for a bucket of warm spit. What’s worse, is that in all likelyhood both will continue to be productive outside of Washington. Oh man.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

redskins are like compulsive gamblers

dan snyder has been chasing his losses for like 10 years, every year he loses in FA and then comes back the next year and doubles down.

he lives in an alternate universe, buy high and sell low is his mantra while all the other teams (except maybe cowboys) are trying to buy low and sell high!

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, Haynesworth and who else?

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb wasn't that much money

Haynesworth was like 100 million and McNabb was like 20?

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow 78 million

holy crap

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

40 mill guaranteed

GOOD LORD!

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb cost Snyder a second and fourth rounder....

…as well as what little credibility Snyder once had, especially with the DC area’s African-American fanbase.

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by Homer J. on Jul 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got even money on the return though Homer.

A second and a fourth is equal to one sixth (2+4=6) :)

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

in dan snyder's world everything is reversed

funny thing dan snyder is a very good businessman but maybe the worst football mind ever to come along. he fits einstein’s definition of insanity to a T:

doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting different results

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

we need a real capologist (funny there is even such a person) on this board

someone who can really explain the new CBA, like how in the hell can jets sign holmes for $50mm/5 yrs and only $2.4mm this year in cap. that is some bullshit!

and the more i think about it i know why tampa bay is not really that active. the 99% of the salary cap is a leaguewide average, not a team average. i believe this means that some or all of the $6.5mm in transition $ for 2011 can be offset by teams being below the cap.

for example if everyone spent 99% but skins and cowboys were $6.5mm over apiece then tampa could hold back $13mm in spending. if that’s the case then tampa bay fans will be even madder b/c the glazers are cheap and almost certainly in finanical trouble. so they will wait until the end of the season, see how much others are over the cap, check to see how much under the others are and then spend as little possible re-signing their young talent to squeak in at the minimum spend.

that’s why tampa bay was never really in the mix for nnamdi, even under the new rules they will find a loophole to maintain their cheapskate ways. the new CBA should be that every team spends $120mm, anything short of that is given back to the players by dividing the amount by 53. why so complicated?

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

eagles are going to take the cards pants down

i have heard eagles are asking for a 1st round pick and DRC for Kolb or they are saying they will keep him as a backup. now this is the way to make a deal, unless cards switch it up and go for orton. even then it’s not terrible b/c what are the odds that vick is not injured at some point this season?

once cards cave into the deal maybe bring in vince young behind vick, is this a good idea?

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

From Max Starks:
To all of #SteelersNation thank you so much for all your support throughout my career as a Steeler. I will always be a part of pittsburgh. And you as fans have always given support, on and off the field. We had some great memories, a couple trophies along the way! Thank you…

Damn…

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Now there are rumors that we might resign him at a lower cost.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Rooney doesn't kick loyal friends and employees out the door...

Releasing Starks at his inflated salary was a business decision that had to be made. The hope is that Max can find a home somewhere else….or back here at an affordable price.

If Max wants to sign at a price the Steelers can afford, they’re leaving the light on for him.

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by Homer J. on Jul 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree on Farrior

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Malor's FA dreams keep getting squandered
Carolina WR Steve Smith said today he wants to be a Panther for life

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

+ 89

Malor is pitching a shutout.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy.

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Tone being Tone

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/the-new-york-post-celebrates-a-free-agency-signing-with-a-boozy-front-page/

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

sheesh! he's in the perfect place.

I’ve never even seen cristal, let alone try it.

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by SteelersVT on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone think the real reason we are cutting money is to sign

a guy like Johnathan Joseph. Would be a great fit in Pitt’s D and look at some numbers (that I purposely skew to get the results I want).

Nnamdi – entered league 2003, 11 career picks, 62 PBU, averages 38.75 tackles/yr
Ike – entered league 2003, 11 career picks, 103 PBU, averages 60.125 tackles/yr
Joseph – entered league 2006, 14 career picks, 76 PBU, averages 54.5 tackles/yr

I know they avoid Nnamdi’s side, but the same can be said often for Taylor and he is much more aggressive in run support. Joseph opposite Taylor would be formidable, we could cut McFadden and his 2.5 mil salary (2.8 mil cap hit reduced to 600K saving 2.2 mil) and give us two starting CBs and let Lewis, Butler, Allen and Brown fight for the nickel and dime spots. Brown should win the nickel spot. Much improved DB field with Taylor, Joseph, and Brown over Taylor, McF and Gay.

BTW anyone else notice NOT noticing Willie Gay’s name anywhere in the FA frenzy. Non-music to my ears.

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by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I really hope they are looking to add another true starting corner, but Joseph will be expensive.

We need that and a good OL more than Burress.

by TorchM on Jul 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess on the Nnamdi front

Texans 5 yrs 66 mil or so. Figure $18 mil bonus (5.6 mil annual cap hit), with 8.5, 8.5, 9.5, 10.5, 12.5

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by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like that idea

Torment the Bengals for years lol.

But I’d rather sign a guy like Harvey Dahl to help us on the line. Even Matt Light would suffice right now.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Light would be happy to be apart of Harrison's team

What Deebo did to him in 2008 you don’t do to your worst enemy.

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by vynotty on Jul 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

joseph probably has serious interest from 4-5 teams

bengals
lions
texans (they will probably not get nnamdi)
tampa bay
maybe ravens.

but joseph is waiting for nnamdi to set the market and drive up his price in the process.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I really don't think we will go after any FA CBs

With Ike on board, I think we are pleased with Ike, McFadden, and Gay/Butler and developing newbies.

If we go after any FAs it will be on the OL

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gay is UFA

 and not worth money to bring back and Brown will beat out butler, and I am willing to be held accountable for that statement

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by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Butler is ahead of Brown by a whole year

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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nickelback in the Steelers

isn’t like a lot of other D positions that requires a year or two to learn. You need to learn if you are Force or Fit in Run Defense, when you are blitzing, and cover the slot guy. Brown may be a year behind but talent wise he is a better prospect. I like what Butler brings to the table, but I think both Brown and Allen from this years draft will turn out to be better pros and Brown will win the nickel spot on pure talent.

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by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand how Brown is better suited than Butler

Butler is more athletic and doesn’t need a full year to adjust to the pros. Brown is not that much better.

I’ll take the guy who knows the playbook a little more.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butler is more athletic????

Hell no he isn’t. Brown was top performer at Combine in the vertical leap; almost as fast as Butler but much more explosive quickness and closing speed and jumping ability.

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by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sense a little UT bias

I’m still taking the guy that has been here for a year over the guy that hasn’t had any work with the coaches yet.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am an Aggie (Texas A&M)

Therefore hate anything Burnt Orange or t.u. related. Brown is way more athletic. Both had 39.5 inch verts, and Butler was faster in the 40, but that is unimportant. Brown was faster in the L Drill, and the 20 yard short shuttle. The changing of direction stuff is what is most important for DB especially CB (and I am DB Coach btw)

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by SteelCage on Jul 29, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

why

because he disagreed with you and he’s from texas?

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 29, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

you do know that gay

is not with the team, he is a FA

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do

And I think they resign him for dirt cheap

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

might*

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

no way

I am content with starting brown before I want to see gay on the field again. I doubt they re-sign him

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by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't hate me if they do

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

might not be a bad move

remember his stop %?

just practicing for camp :)

by Simonsen on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Texans are supposedly front runner for Nnamdi

So take him out. Lions claim to not want to spend big money, Tampa Bay is never willing to pay (Glaziers are cheap), and why let him go to ravens without a fight.

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by SteelCage on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

FINALLY THE NEWS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

The Jets have reached a deal with…

K Nick Folk.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno

I’m a jackass sometimes

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Training camp roster, so far

http://burgh.us/67q

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

texans are in the lead

The Texans have “moved into the lead” for free agent Nnamdi Asomugha, according to NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi.

The Texans must be doing some serious restructuring. Lombardi says that Asomugha’s money will be in the $12-$14 million per year range, which is more than the Texans were expected to fork over. Still, this could be a ploy from Asomugha’s camp to drive the Jets’ offer up. The bidding war is on for the best free agent available. Jul. 28 – 11:22 am et.

i still think the jets don’t let him go, i think they are all in.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate the Patriots

Haynesworth is going to be big for them, and I don’t mean in the Casey Hampton at the start of training camp way either. Wilfork and Haynesworth together on a d-line is going to be tough to deal with, and you are talking about a team that was 14-2 last year and has a ton of young talent on defense that looks to be developing nicely.

I hate the patriots.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

it's a bold move

but i don’t get why no one else stepped up? it was like the patriots are playing monopoly with a bunch of little kids. washington shopped him with no interest then they finally call the patriots.

snyder: “how about a 2012 3rd rounder for albert?”
BB: “not really interested”
snyder “come on give me something, make me an offer”
BB: “not really interested”
snyder “pretty please”
BB: “OK, stop crying we will give you a 2013 5th round pick but you owe us one”
snyder: “thanks bill, you are the best!”

eagles and other teams five minutes later: “Dan what the hell are you doing? we would have given you a 2012 3rd round pick!”

snyder: “bitch where were you for the last 3 months, you know he was on the block?”

eagles: “well, umh, yea it just looks better when BB does it, we didn’t have the balls to do it. we talked a lot but couldn’t make a decision. seriously, next time you are about to make a deal with BB call us right before and we will give you a pick one round higer than he offers. sound good. yea, that’s how we’ll do it! this way we don’t have to make the decision ourselves we just piggyback off him. great strategy, thanks dan”

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hate the Patriots

It’s gonna suck seeing Kemo or Foster having to block Haynesworth and Wilfork.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

not sure what is going on but it appears that the evil genius is using some Jedi mind tricks on the rest of the league.

They got a mid-first rounder for Seymour – who they could not afford to re-sign then went and took the only guy who was priced higher than Seymour and got him for a late 5th rounder with most of his $100 million dollar contract paid by the competition.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a bottom feeder

when there is blood on the street he is actively buying when everyone else is either too scared or indecisive. he just waits until the former high flier is no a penny stock and then he swoops in. i can’t believe the rest of the league lets him get away with this, they should all agree to show any transaction proposed by BB to each other before consumating. this is just ridiculous, he keeps taking peoples pants down and telling them to bend over and they say “thank you very much as he sticks it to them” it’s truly unbelievable.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

$5.4mm for haynesworth this year

and you know he is in great shape as BB has already done his due diligence. not to mention that he has a former player personell person who handled albert at his previously successful stint.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

already we know haynesworth is way ahead of last training camp

Haynesworth needed 10 days to pass the conditioning test with the Redskins before last year’s training camp. Haynesworth passed his Patriots physical on the first day, according to the team.

by kk99 on Jul 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baron Batch has a contract

I bet he is this year’s Redman. Quite the captivating guy.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

been at St. Vincent since yesterday

quite the overachiever it seems like, I like it :)

by Simonsen on Jul 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://lockerz.com/s/124443006

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Rachel Nichols

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Going to play a minor devil's advocate here

Everyone else can tell me if I’m right or wrong – I am not a football expert, like many on this site, and I don’t go back and “rewatch the tape” (and frankly a Superbowl loss is too tough to rewatch anyway).
When Starks went out, the offensive line still seemed to hold together pretty well, which appears to be the primary reason that Starks is now expendable. But it seemed like Heath Miller had to stay in and block a lot more than usual. To me this became a lot more apparent in the Superbowl, when we had a back-up center as well. I remember Peter King criticizing Heath Miller’s nonexistence during his Superbowl wrap-up, and me thinking, “Weren’t you paying attention to what was going on? Heath had to stay home and help out with the patchwork offensive line!”
So maybe Scott is an acceptable replacement to Starks, but one has to factor in that Starks = Scott + a percentage of Heath Miller.

by Weirtonite on Jul 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

if we were true football experts

we wouldn’t be here we would be in some NLF player personnel department:)

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's take a look at the snap numbers

What we know: Pouncey got injured late in the AFCCG, Starks got injured in game 7 (week 8).

Weeks 1-7
77.6% he ran a route, 22.4% he stayed in to block

Weeks 8-17 + DP game + CC game (Exclude 14 and 15-concussion)
82.4% ran a route, 17.6 he blocked

SB (skewed sample size?)
84.1% ran a route, 15.9% he blocked

The numbers don’t seem to fit your thoughts.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

And I’m serious – I learn a hell of a lot more about football here than I do reading “professional” sites like SI or ESPN. I am always more prone to believe what I hear from the big posters at this place over the talking heads elsewhere.

by Weirtonite on Jul 28, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all learn a lot from each other. That’s why I love this site

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats why we let the useless Spaeth walk and upgraded David Johnson and grabbed Saunders.

All 3 for the most part are reliable pass catchers and blockers.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Jul 28, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

not surprised with the Starks or ARE moves

More surprised that another name hasn’t been mentioned yet – Foote.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Chicago Bears signed tight end Matt Spaeth from the Steelers..

Well…here we go Saunders!

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I am

more than okay with Speath not returning

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by stillergorillar on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sa-WEET!

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by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Arians is crying somwhere?

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

He’s got David Johnson…

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by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spaeth was a much better pass catcher and route runner

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spaeth was better at pissing behind a dumpster

All I remember from Spaeth was him letting a potential game winning TD slide right through his Ike hands…

Being 6’7" doesn’t mean shit if they can’t catch the damn ball.

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by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

One play does not define a player

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he couldn't block either

Besides, that wasn’t the only easy catch he dropped.

Good riddance, I say.

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by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree vehemently with your couldn’t clock comment. That may have been true a couple/few years ago, but last year I saw him consistently putting people on their backs. He developed into a very good blocker. I’m sorry to see him go

by worldtrip on Jul 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah, “couldn’t block” comment.

by worldtrip on Jul 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, pulling a Hines Ward on ST's?

Fine. But I stand behind my “Good riddance” statement.

Good to have you back, trip. I missed our arguments. :)

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by Steel Spike on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, on the line. I’m not saying that he turned into Heath Miller at blocking, but his blocking improved dramatically, to the point where he was a solid blocker. Not great, but solid, and at times, like I said, I saw him putting his man on the ground. Guys on the line. I have a feeling that people who are being so critical about his blocking are, similar to with Willie Colon for a while, still focusing on previous years.

by worldtrip on Jul 29, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

gotta agree with wordtrip here

Spaeth dramatically improved as a blocker last year, I believe there were even a couple of posts on this site analyzing that (Johnny did one of them maybe!?)
He actually helped us in the blocking game last year, unlike years past.

by Simonsen on Jul 29, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank God

I didn’t want to be asking the “why did he make the team again?” question this year.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey k99

I thought you said it wasn’t about money for Revis?

UPDATE VII: Michael Lombardi of NFL Network is reporting that the Houston Texans are the new leaders in the Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes, and the reason is money — he says they’re offering him $12 to $15 million a year. For comparison, the Jets are paying Darrelle Revis $11.5 million a year

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Errr Aso...sorry

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair to Aso...

Adding him makes the Texans an almost automatic playoff contender.

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by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he felt that way

Why not go there for 10 and allow them to prevent major shifts in their contracts

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can't make less than Revis, I mean, c'mon man! LOL!

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by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right...

Meaning, it is all about money

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though I hate everything from Texas (except our fearless leader, of course)

I would like to see the Texans escape from perpetual obscurity. One of those underdog stories, yaknow.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt the jets lose to houston

i think nnamdi’s agent is just pushing the price up for NY. NY will overpay, they are used to it.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you imagine what the Jets depth will be like

they’ll have about 20% of their cap space tied up on their 2 DB’s That’s hardly leaving enough to have quality starters at all positions, their backups will have to be cast offs making league minimum.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can go over the cap this year by $6.5mm

and the cap will rise quickly so this should be a one time adjustment.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still just can't see it happening

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

houston has to bid, nnamdi doesn't want to go there

houston is trying to buy the market, they know nnamdi wants to live in the bay or go to NY. they have no choice but to put up huge numbers and nnamdi’s agent is more than happy to add tampa bay into the mix if he could.

i said nnamdi wants to go to NY and i still believe he does but if texans offer him $18mm that will be hard to turn down.

John, weren’t you predicting he would go to tampa bay?

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was

And you were predicting he would go elsewhere before, what’s your point?

I’m just saying Nnamdi’s choice will be more driven by dollar signs than a faint sight of a glittering SB ring at the end of the tunnel.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you speaking about the JETS?

Even if they do get to the big game, Sanchez will choke.

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- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

by Steel Spike on Jul 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i predicted monday it would be the 1.ravens 2. jets

then i posted my final prediction tuesday nite and i have not wavered:

ok, i revise my predictions for the last time on nnamdi

1. jets
2. texans
3. ravens
4. eagles
5. tampa

i think this was a pretty good guess, although i missed the 49ers totally.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

houston will have to drown him with dollars

to keep him out of NY, if the money is the same he will go to the jets. i don’t think it’s the SB ring alone, it’s his sister, NY lifestyle, he likes rex and revis.

houston will have to pay him like $2-3mm more than NY’s best offer to get the deal done.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone is bidding nnamdi up

it may be the jets but apparently the 49ers have matched texans highest offer, at some point NY will walk away although they will do it grudgingly.

nnamdi will decide by tomorrow nite, i hope, that will free up a lot more action.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vince Young to be released by Titans

lets sign him!

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

A few words from Manny Sanders
E Sanders says he hasn’t heard one player talk about Harrison’s comments
A Brown on Plax: “He’s in great shape. He’s ready.” 2 have worked out together in Miami.
E Sanders had two offseason surgeries but says he is 100 percent. He and Brown in favor of Steelers signing Burress.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Sanders also said he’s aiming for 1,000 yards.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What surgeries did he have?

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 28, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember he had that fractured foot

some thought he might not play the SB

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, my memory betrayed me (again).

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he had 2 fractures

they fixed the foot that was injured last year, then did the same procedure on the other foot when they saw a weakness. At least I think that’s what I’d read.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah

http://twitpic.com/5×9hzm

Imagine big ole 320lb anthony gray sleeping on that

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

hey, those are the beds we students sleep on

don’t hate! Although… I’m not 320 pounds ;)

Maybe we need a ‘Steelers arriving & Conditioning open thread’? Or general NFL, since cuts happen today too

by Simonsen on Jul 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder what starks real weight is?

July 28, 2011 10:25 a.m. – by Chuck Finder – Starks’ conditioning impacts OL situation
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that Starks, after neck surgery, swelled to 400-plus pounds this offseason. Subtracting Starks and Antwaan Randle El clears the Steelers’ $10 million over-cap amount. With Jonathan Scott and Willie Colon free agents, will second-year man Chris Scott and second-round pick Marcus Gilbert take over left OT? Doubtful.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Colon and J. Scott back.

Schefter tweeting that both were re-signed.

by StinkBomb on Jul 28, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  


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