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The Universe is Unfolding Exactly As It Should

"Plans are funny things," Chuck Noll once told me. "They never work out. But you can't win without them."

"Luck," said Branch Rickey, "is the residue of preparation and design."

 

What do those comments have to do with this week's roster moves?  

Plenty.

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When a young, relatively unknown defensive backs coach named Mike Tomlin came to interview for the Steelers head coaching vacancy, few gave him any chance of getting the job ahead of internal candidates Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm. 

But Tomlin came prepared, and his degree of preparation knocked everyone's socks off. He brought two bound books with him. One was an analysis of every player on the Steelers' roster. The second was an analysis of how to build what he had into a championship team. Tomlin's work was so impressive that the Rooneys and the front office decided to trust this young man with a job that only two others had held since 1969.

Tomlin's teams have always been prepared at the start of the season. Last year's 3-1 start (which was almost 4-0) without Roethlisberger showed the world what Steeler Nation knew: that the Coaching staff is more than ready to deal with just about any situation. 

Anyone who thinks Mike Tomlin hasn't been busy mapping out his chess moves during the lockout simply hasn't been paying attention to history. He and his staff and the front office have been busy analyzing what they have, what they need, what might become available and what it might cost. Once the proposed CBA brought salary cap numbers into the equation, Omar plugged those numbers in and they developed a plan.

"Every team is doing that," you say? 

While other teams may also have war plans, few - if any - have done so as successfully as Tomlin. What he did to get the job in the first place makes him uniquely qualified to handle the multi-level chess game that is being played by all the teams right now. 

Tomlin understands he has priorities and limited cap money. And what he is playing is a hybrid game that's part chess and part poker. He needs to nail down the top priorities without getting into an insane bidding war. And then he wants to snag a couple of free agents from other teams. And it won't hurt to drive up the price of some guys he doesn't want, so that other teams overpay.

It was immensely reassuring that Tomlin's first move in the chess game was to re-sign Ike Taylor. This was clearly the team's top priority. Doing this quickly removed a huge financial variable. He knew by Thursday morning what Taylor would cost...and once the price of this big ticket item had been determined, he was able to re-calculate his cap situation and move forward.

Releasing Starks and Randle El has freed additional salary cap money, but Tomlin isn't showing all his cards yet. Why should he? Why should other teams know how much he plans to spend? Will other players be released? Perhaps, especially if their money is needed to sign a free agent. But why show your cards if you don't have to?

Dallas let go a bunch of guys on the first day. It made the headlines, but it was quite different from what the Steelers are doing. Tomlin is playing chess. Making one move at a time, but planning six or seven moves ahead. 

His well-publicized dinner with Plax is part of the poker game. It's set for Saturday, and makes it appear that the Steelers have a serious interest in the ill-fated gunslinger. But even if they don't, they can drive up the price other teams will have to pay for Burress, and it can draw attention away from their real targets.

The Steelers don't have as much money to play with as most teams. They have far less than some of the bottom feeders like Tampa Bay. But not all dollars are equal. Steeler players will sign for less to stay put. And players from other teams will crunch the after-tax dollars and often sign for less to play for a winner. 

There are 31 other teams involved in this madness, which is like draft day on steroids. Crazy and unexpected things will happen, and some of the best-laid plans go up in smoke. As Chuck Noll said (above the jump), "plans are funny things. They never work out." And some of them won't work out this week for the Steelers. But that is precisely why plans are so important. Tomlin and Colbert are prepared for that, and can transition to Plan B or Plan C or formulate a new plan on the fly. 

Chances are they will be lucky. As Branch Rickey said (also above the jump), "luck is the residue of preparation and design." No one is more prepared than Mike Tomlin. 

I can't wait until Friday, the first day of the free agent signings. I want to see how this all plays out, and whether the Steelers sign someone like Jonathan Joseph - or choose to spend their money on a couple of who-dat's, guys we know little about who turn out to be this year's versions of MeMo or KFox. The Steelers need a building block or two, but they never forget the mortar that holds it all together. 

Tomlin and Colbert have a track record of being educated shoppers, especially at the bargain bin. And this unprecedented situation seems tailor-made for them. (Their first signing was, er, "Taylor-made.") 

The NFL will unleash hell tomorrow, when the free agent signings officially begin. Hell in July and August, at least . (Hell in December, as we know, doesn't always work out.) And yet, I'm going into this with supreme confidence that the Steelers will emerge stronger. Sort of like that "Desiderata" poster that people used to put on their walls back in the glory days of the 70's. It really wasn't found in St Paul's Church in 1706. It was written by somebody in the summer of love. But the first and last lines of that poster apply perfectly to the Black and Gold  and Steeler Nation at this moment in time.....

 

"Go placidly.......the universe is unfolding exactly as it should."

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Agreed completely

I’ve always been a big fan of Tomlin’s unflappable presentation, and how he has a rigid plan for everything he does; part of that plan is what to do when they are forced to deviate from the plan.

I also agree, the Plex dinner bit is a complete smoke screen. I’m not even convinced It’s actually scheduled. It seems a lot more likely the story is just a ploy to give the Giants a false sense of competition in the market than it is the Steelers having actual interest in him. Whether that came with Tomlin’s blessing or not, you’re exactly right, he’s intentionally not going to deny it. Why should he? What’s the point of tipping your hand?

by Neal Coolong on Jul 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

agree with everything but they are not going to sign jonathan joseph

lions, texans, tampa bay and cincy are in the mix so it will be a bidding war and he & colbert will definitely stay away from that.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe. Maybe not.

Look at all the complete bullshit organizations you just listed. If we can somehow be “in the neighborhood” with an offer, we got a damn good shot @ him.

Now, we may not be able to get “into the neighborhood,” but if we do, watch out.

by HandsofSweed on Jul 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

either way, joseph will get paid

texans when they lose nnamdi to jets will pony up big, ttexans are already offering are $12-14mm/yr for nnamdi. they have to get a CB, hook or crook.

so if the jets lose nnamdi, then they are in the mix for joseph. tampa bay has $60mm to spend as we speak, there is just too many dollars floating out there and joseph is the perfect guy to overpay b/c he is a bargain compared to nnamdi. 49ers are likely to lose in the nnamdi sweepstakes and they cleared $15.7mm cap by dumping clements. you think they will bid on joseph if they lose nnamdi? and ravens should make a run at joseph too, didn’t they lose a corner?

so if you believe steelers will get into a bidding war and overpay, then yes there is a good chance they go after joseph. i just don’t see it.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

We WON’T get into a “bidding war.” I’m just saying we may throw an offer out there at him and see if it flies. If it’s close enough, he may bite. Who knows, maybe the guy has been an admirer of the Steeler way and wants to be a part of the solution. It’s worth a look anyhow.

by HandsofSweed on Jul 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

like i said no way

too much $ out there & texans played around with nnamdi but took joseph

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the corner market is changing as we speak

J Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus, from Houston.

if nnamdi wanted to he could have gotten $15-17mm out of houston or another team but not sure what NY will pay in the end.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lombardi this morning says Texans now clear favorites for Nnamdi....

….how much of that is horsecrap, I don’t know.

But I do know the Texas need him more than the Jets, and they have more cap money to spend.
Nnamdi’s agent can certainly use the “home town discount” argument to shake more money out of the Texans, forcing them to clearly outbid the Jets and Niners. Also remember, there’s no state income tax in Texas.

And it Texas signs Nnamdi, that gives Joseph a choice including three of the sorriest organizations in the league (DET, CIN, TB) and the Steelers.

I agree with Hands. Of course, the question is whether the Steelers can or want to get “into the neighborhood.”

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Jul 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about jets and ravens?

he is not going to be divided between the texans, 49ers and jets. this is a fluid situation, you can safely assume all these teams are in the mix:

Texans
Jets
49ers
Lions
Tampa Bay
Cincinatti
Ravens

If jets lose nnamdi, they are immediately looking back at cromartie and josephs, but in the meantime raiders have pursued cromartie. so wherever nnamdi goes (likely the jets) he is probably just toying with houston. either way the loser of this battle will go after joseph hard, these are not all bad teams.

tampa bay, texans, jets are all an upgrade from cinci, although that’s not saying much, almost any team would be an upgrade.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.....

And I also agree he may end up the most overpaid FA in this whole rodeo.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Jul 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record...

I don’t really think you can say the Lions are one of the sorriest organizations anymore. They’re doing things the right way nowadays, and it’s remarkably similar to how the Steelers do things. The Lions are unlikely to sign J-Jo because of the cost – Schwartz and Mayhew prefer to build from the ground up through the draft and bring in some lesser-known but solid players like Vanden Bosch and Nate Burleson versus signing a bunch of super highly-priced FA.

by JDSpartan on Jul 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

No team with Suh on it can be considered a sorry organization.

Millen’s moved on – so now the ESPN commentary is the sorriest organization because they have him. If next week he’s a greeter at walmart, then that is the sorriest organization.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree on all

But I think, that once again, the Patriots are out ahead of us on this one. Two years ago they were facing a tough contract negotiation with Richard Seymour who was considered one of the best D-linemen in the league. Instead of negotiating they get a first round pick for him and 2 years later spend a 5th round pick to get a guy who was more highly regarded than Seymour and comes with his contract already mostly paid off by the Dan Snyder.

Nifty chess if you ask me.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

except you get fat albert and all of his baggage

He may produce for NE, but he’s just as likely to blow up in their faces. If he pulls a typical fat albert stunt like he’s done everywhere, then it will get ugly there and fast. BB isn’t used to players telling him to go screw himself.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am afraid Fat Al won't be a menace in NE

Based on their proven track record all the scums of NFL end up being stars once they end up in New England.

Hopefully Haynesworth stomps someone face in NE, maybe Brady but that won’t happen.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Haynesworth

will preform great in New England. He has the physical tools. He is not going to be playing nose tackle. He will be playing next to Vince Wilfork who eats blockers like Cheerios. He has something to prove. He’s already carrying 40 million of Dan Snyders money for relaxing on the bench. He’s a beast of a man. Most importantly Belichik won’t enter into stupid public battles with him. He’ll quietly get production or he will trade him to the Raiders mid-season for a couple of first rounders and a pint of Hagan Daaz.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hoodie is overdue for a missed shot

Sorry, but Haynesworth feels like a reach even for a guy like Belichick.

I know the Hoodie has a reputation for fixing problem players, but I think there’s also a world of difference between Moss and Dillon vs Haynesworth.

Corey Dillon, frankly, got a bad rap. I think it’s odd that Carson Palmer gets sympathy for saying the exact same thing Dillon said back in the day.

Moss, truth be told, only ever wanted an opportunity to be a star. When Raiders went downhill, that all but evaporated. And, all things being equal, once Moss got his shot he started giving up again.

Haynesworth willingly went into a known bad situation in Washington. He took the money because, hey, it’s money. And then he whined because he was rotated to a 3-4 DE. And now he’s in New England playing . . . 3-4 DE!?!?!

Something doesn’t smell right. Sure, Belichick is basically buying a lottery ticket with Haynesworth. But, Fat Albert is a mess of a player at this point.

by theobserver on Jul 28, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth wasn't an end in Washington

They were making him play NT.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth was converted to 3-4 NT after he signed

as he “whined” about, thats not what he signed up for in Washington.

by Crizzle12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure about that

I seem to recall they were using him as a swing NT/DE in a hyrbid 4-3/3-4 defensive scheme along the lines of what the Ravens do with Ngata.

Not that it really matters what happens in Redskinland, but still . . .

by theobserver on Jul 29, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy the track record argument

When they rehabbed Dillon and Moss’s careers they had a veteran team that had just won championships. That locker room is nothing close to the same situation now.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

but the coach sets the tone

haynesworth will fall into line or they will drop him pretty fast!

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep - and that's what I expect will happen

but I fail to see how that is going to help their pass rush. That isn’t the work of genius. Every coach in the league would do that. Hell Shanny would have cut him last training camp except for that mega contract hanging over the teams head.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your completely wrong

Robert Kraft said the biggest difference between the ’09 and ’10 Patriots was the locker rooms atmosphere. According to him it was obvious the ’09 team was fractured to a degree, but when he was in the locker room last year, it brought back memories of the superbowl years…

by Crizzle12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it isn’t a veteran team that just won a championship. Not a veteran team. Not just off a championship. So he isn’t wrong.

by worldtrip on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he isn't

Because Haynesworth is a different animal. think about it

Moss, wasn’t a bad teammate, he has some off the field issues but thats really it, and he was known not to give full effort…. because he was in oakland.

Dillion wasn’t a bad teammate, he just wanted out of cincy.

so they haven’t dealt with a ‘bad’ teammate yet which Haynesworth can be.

NE locker room is young and you can’t name more than 5 players that was on those Super Bowl teams. Its not the same locker room no matter how you want to slice it or what Kraft wants to say. Haynesworth is a very strong personality and doesn’t care about anyone else but himself.

If Haynesworth plays well it will be because he wants to play not because someone makes him.

Bill’s rehab ability is a illusion. Moss wasn’t rehabed, neither was dillion. I just hope bill is starting to believe the illusion and turns the pats into Cincy East.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

We all do!!!

Because, on the surface, those moves look like they might have put them over the top.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

we'll see

but i doubt it

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Haynesworth will play well if he wants to. I think Belichek doesn’t give a crap about the players attitude, or off field problems. I’m sure his strategy is “come to practice, do what you are told, shut up and play.” Most understand that they are one of the top 8 teams in the league and will probably at least win the majority of your games with a shot at the title.

Haynesworth will now shut up, and play to prove a point, and i think he will succeed.

by IronJake on Jul 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth = bad time

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is a new haynesworth in town, at least temporarily

JasonLaCanfora: RT @RapSheet: I believe this qualifies as a news update: Albert Haynesworth is mauling Patriots OLs, specifically Rich Ohrnberger.

Haynesworth — who was listed at 350 in Washington, but shows up at 335 on the New England roster — actually looked relatively svelte on his 6-6 frame.

for those thinking BB was flying blind when he picked up albert you may want to rethink that position.

by kk99 on Jul 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Par for the course

The minute they made that trade, I had visions of him tearing through our o-line like knife through butter when we play them.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohh surely not our Oline

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle

by steelerstyle on Aug 1, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah no one ever does that to us lol

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Aug 1, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moss was a bad teammate

This was a guy who was squirting refs with water bottles, yelling at his QB, and walking off the field before the game ended. Like Haynesworth he was known to not always go 100%.

Dillon also had a reputation of a bad teammate, someone who was immature and selfish. That changed as well in New England.

Haynesworth has already agreed to restructure his contract to fit under New Englands cap which can only be looked at a positive. This is a guy who has taken a lot of crap recently and is looking to prove critics wrong.

by Crizzle12 on Jul 29, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

so you're saying it was all BB and Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel etc

weren’t the real police in that locker room. I call bull.

BB can do 1 thing to control fat albert – cut him as soon as he steps out of line. I highly doubt he’ll come in a changed man from being graced by Bill’s presence.

Chad Johnson shouldn’t be a huge issue. By most accounts he’s a great worker and not a locker room issue. Where he’ll stumble is putting his foot in his mouth. Asking him not to do that is like asking a fish to breathe on land. So it’s not really the question of if he screws up in that regard – only when and how BB reacts to it.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 29, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

NE will be a good place for Ochocinco

BB knew what he was getting into when he got Ochocinco. Im sure BB will allow him to be silly as long as he doesnt get too out of line and he produces and is productive to the team. But if Chad starts acting stupid with zero catches during a game than im sure things will be a lot different.

by steelerintexas on Jul 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were you around when they got Randy Moss and Corey Dillon?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and took on rodney harrison

when there was no market for him, then they dumped lawyer malloy on their way to two straight SB wins.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

About the only two people from those glory days that are still around are Brady and BB.

All of the veteran players that policed that locker room are gone. I’d also argue that the only true problem child they took on was Moss. Harrison is a grade a jerk, but he wasn’t a locker room issue. Dillon only wanted to escape Cinci – who could hold that against him.

None of those players are nearly as bad a head case as fat Albert, and now he’s going into a locker room full of young guys who have not won jack squat. It’s not like there’s a group of vets still on the Pats that can slap him into line by showing him their rings.

It’s a 50-50 gamble that this guy is still with the team by mid season in my book. BB won’t tolerate his crap at risk of losing the rest of the squad, and Fat Albert is certifiable. He was a head case with the Titans, and he honed his skills in that regard during his short and painful stretch in DC.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

time will tell

with great risk comes great reward. he is certifiable but BB may be able to get two years out of him.

it’s not the head cases, all the guys mentioned had some kind of trouble. injury, attitude or just fell out of favor. BB puts guys in a posiiton to succeed, if fat albert doesn’t do any work then obviously it is a huge waste of time. but don’t you think BB has done his due diligence and he has a plan for albert.

BB attracts head cases and they buy into his ideas, that is the bottom line.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

with great risk also comes destruction and aftermath.

I would vomit if fat albert was signed by the Steelers. That’s not sour grapes either, that’s just knowing that a cancer his size can kill a team.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, but when has NE destroyed themselves?

under brady they have made playoffs in 8/9 years.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is headcase but winning heals everything

He already has his $$ all set up. So, obviously his unhappiness would lie in him wanting to win or him wanting to play a position which helps him be productive. Cheaters give him a great chance to win and darth vader moving him around except for the NT position will make him happy.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Jul 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just it with fat albert

it’s not all about winning or losing. That guy would be happier on a losing team while putting up big numbers for his next stupid contract. Do you really believe he will be happy with the Pats winning if he’s occupying 2 linemen so someone else can get the glory? If you do, then there’s a gold mine in my back yard that I’d like to sell.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh yes he was

Did you watch him in Washington?

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Jul 29, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I did....

He was blocked by invisible linemen, and developed Stone Palsy, a condition where a player stands, unmoving, as if turned to stone, while plays occur around him.

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by Homer J. on Jul 29, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

or lays on the ground until the play is over

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except that trading Seymour away...

hastened the decline of that defense. They don’t get much pressure. I’m not sure if that was as great a trade for the Pats as everyone makes it out to be.

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by idiscgolftexas on Jul 28, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so fast!

I think this is a desperation move. I think the Hated Patriots are moving away from their Super Bowl years and all they have left to get them back to the Big Show is Brady. I think BB knows that genius coaches have a great quarterback and a special surrounding cast. The better the quarterback, the greater the genius. I mean, what’s his record without Brady? Not good as I recall. So, they are desperate, they see the writing on the wall and they take a shot. If they felt that they were really on the right track to get back to glory, they would not try a gamble as potentially bone-headed as this. Wait and see, this is the middle of the end of the Hated Patriots – the beginning was a couple years back. Or, this is a case of BB believing the press and actually thinking he is a genius and can somehow get better production out of big H. Either way, I think this makes the Hated Patriots worse, not better, and I’m all for it.

by WyoFan on Jul 28, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with this.

Haynesworth is damaged goods. The guy doesn’t want to play. He got his money, and that is all he ever cared about. Let’s not forget that again he’s being thrust into a 3/4, something that he rebelled acutely against in Washington. I just don’t think this guy’s capable of being motivated on the field anymore.

I know people will point to Moss as an example of what BB can do with the disgruntled, but I don’t think the scenarios are the same. Moss came into a perfect situation to display his abilities. Fat Albert is not walking into the same situation, and once it starts going a little bad for him, he will sulk. I think this move backfires for New England

" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"

" In America" Charlie Daniels Band

by idiscgolftexas on Jul 28, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

new england is a hybrid 3/4

and bellicheck is not going into this blind, i am sure he spoke to albert and people who know him. this is a low risk / very high reward situation. if fat albert sulks, moans and doesn’t work they will just cut him. unfortunately, i would be good money he is somewhat productive and there at the end of the season.

BB will cut bait quickly if he feels it won’t work.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is going to a team that was 14-2 not an almost perfect situation?

He’s not even being pressed into playing the same position as he was in Washington. Not even you can deny that a defensive line consisting of Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Haynesworth is pretty good.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

on paper it's great

but I wonder if fat albert will even be available every game. He does have a couple of outstanding legal issues to deal with. An assault charge and a sexual assault charge. He might get a little alone time from Fuhrer Goodell.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly!

BB is just playing poker, he goes all in on teams that are desperate. no one is right all the time but these are some of the lowest risk / highest reward situations i have ever seen. there has to be blood on the street to get a guy like fat albert for next to nothing, if fat albert was like nnamdi (attitude and effort) he would be getting $13-16mm a year.

haynesworth has already agreed to restructure his $5.4mm / year deal, BB will give fat al 4 weeks to show him something or he will cut bait. this is a perfect scenario to let a phoenix rise out of the ashes. albert does the work he will have no problems but this is probably his last chance to have a football career and that can change a lot of people.

this could be a huge mistake but if you are unwilling to take those kinds of risks and not have a pair of grapefruit balls you cannot be an all-time great NFL coach, espcecially in the salary cap era. these are very well thought out moves that require tremendous patience to pull off, in most cases you have to wait for Washington to call you to get this kind of deal even if you are thinking about and desire it.

 BB seizes the moment, carpe diem and all that shit.

by kk99 on Jul 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for "I hate the Patriots."

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Jul 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article Homer

I loved the tidbit about Tomlin’s interview. I don’t think I had ever heard that detail before.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

nice piece of homework on your part as well Homer…. ( :

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Best writeup I’ve read in a while. Well done.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Jul 28, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

bushrod

 I believe he can play tackle and the saints may not be able to sign him. also it really makes no sense to ever show your cards until someone makes you.

57-105 come on "sale the team"

by sweetleb on Jul 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Please don’t sign Bushrod, he is a Towson graduate. Love that school.

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been lookin' for you...

Did you know the Tweet about Herzlich signing with Baltimore was intentionally made up to see who would report it as fact?

by Neal Coolong on Jul 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. Stupid communists.

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a tool

No particular reason not to believe it. Then again, if I saw this yahoo post something, I wouldn’t think twice about it without looking for someone else.

As for the shot at SBNation, they only ran it after CBS “confirmed” it, which is good protocol. Kind of funny to see it take off though. The fake player bit is always fun. People try to do that to Mel Kiper on the air all the time.

by Neal Coolong on Jul 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I only use Twitter to rag on Warren Sapp and Jamie Dukes.

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

god theyre annoying

theyre like two dogs who just bark and bark until whoever else is trying to talk gives up.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

who did that?

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Epic troll

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am about to tweet “Asoumugha and #Ravens close to deal.” and see what happens.

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't Wait!!!

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much fun. If only I had 300,000 followers

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Eric Wright? Or Chris Car?

Both will probably only want McFadden money at 3 million a year, Wright is a young guy with great potential way better than Gay and probably even McFadden. Carr is a proven above average CB who would be a good complement to Ike.
*I know both are former division opponents but I really do not like McFadden never have never will he is too slow and get beat too much.

by Steel34D on Jul 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Rather have Richard Marshall, Carolina

If we could get him, he’d be a great fit in our system and is only 26.

by Blackadar on Jul 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed out loud when I read this

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6812745/chicago-bears-agree-blocking-te-matt-spaeth

Gotta love that bears scouting department. They got Spaeth to upgrade blocking at the TE position. Evidently they don’t have the technology at their facilities to look at film.

This does have 1 tragic possible consequence though. If they cut him, would Arians try bringing him back? Happy feeling is gone.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he'll do really well in Chicago

He does have great height and decent hands, and he’s probably better than most of their receiving options.

by Weirtonite on Jul 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Patriots

I wish the steelers had the balls that belichic does. He knows that between he and Brady , his locker room will not be poisoned by low cost highly talented bone heads.
Moss was an absolute steal and Dillon has been misconstrued as a problem child. All he did in cincy is run his butt off and want to leave ala Carson Palmer He hadn’t been in trouble since college.Albert and Ryan mallets are two more great gambles.
I just get tired of all the highbrow steeler fans who claim that the steelers are somehow. Above these type of risky players except of course the alleged rapists drunk drivers spousal batterers. Public urinators bathroom yessiree and pot smokers who just went 2-1 in the superbowl. So stop the hypocrisy go get Terrell owensto tear up the underneath routes while Wallace blow up the deep stuff. Grow a pair and go win

by Micculus on Jul 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

???
Grow a pair and go win


We’ve won 6 Super Bowls.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

F'ed that up

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

I mean, we’ve been to the Super Bowl three times in the last six years and won two of them – can the Patriots say the same thing?

by Riddlah. on Jul 28, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it takes a lot of effort, risk and due diligence to figure out who is worth the trouble.

most teams are too busy keeping their teams in line and focused. BB likes to occasionally take on rehab projects but most coaches don’t have the respect or time to pull it off.

it works great for a while but even with moss it only lasted 2 years. once these players get back some success they often fall back into bad habits.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, since you're a very, very new "Steeler fan"

I’ll be the first to say:

Welcome to Steeler Nation, young buck.

by HandsofSweed on Jul 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this guy - he's funny.

Hopefully fat albert forgets his meds and mistakes Brady for a turkey leg during training camp.

How many years between non-video enhanced titles do the Pats need to flounder before people will stop thinking that BB walks on water? He’s a good coach, but you can’t take a risk like fat albert and just assume all is well because BB can fix everything. Maybe after this season blows up I would guess.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 for Dillon comment

Corey Dillon: the most wrongly maligned player in NFL history.

That anyone still lists Dillon as an example of a cancerous player turned right by Belichick is astonishing. It’s one of the worst libels in the history of the league.

by theobserver on Jul 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

I don’t see how ppl thought he was such a bad guy? How did he get that moniker?

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wanted out of Cincinatti

Personally, I always thought that made him intelligent, but the 4 letter network started harping about him being a bad guy and eventually it stuck.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know

if the mothership says its true it must be true, unless it isn’t

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would they ever lie to us?

Don’t they love us?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never blamed a guy for wanting out of Cincy

Mike Brown is a notorious cheap skate

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 29, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea, if it was up to mike brown

cincy would fly into an away game in the AM to save on hotel $, as it stands, he limits their time on the road to save hotel $.

imagine them at the super bowl, no press time because they fly in on the redeye the night before the big game. WTF?

by kk99 on Aug 1, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because of course we’re not winning much in recent years, right?

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by idiscgolftexas on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steelers don’t give a poop about off the field issues if they don’t effect the team or cost you games.

They don’t gamble with locker room chemistry. Haynesworth is trouble for coaches. Harrison, Roethlisberger, these guys are great team mates.

As for making big moves, we don’t have the cap, and our team isn’t built around having a lot of stars.

by Phantaskippy on Jul 29, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

haynesworth may even be trouble for belicheck

but that’s the risk, BB may be giving fat albert his last hurrah at an NFL career. if he can’t make it in NE might as well turn the lights out on his career. this is often a huge motivator and it is the reason that rodney harrison, cory dillon, randy moss totally toed the line once they landed in NE. BB lays down a line in the sand, you cannot cross it or you will be dumped. troubled players understand this and they often respond to this discipline and live up to BB’s expectations.

by kk99 on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

nnamdi is holding up the CB market

JasonColeYahoo:

Nnamdi holding up CB market in 2 ways. 1. He sets the price. 2. Teams won’t move until he decides.

come on nnamdi, ask for a final bid and make up your mind, then choose the situation that makes you happy.

by kk99 on Jul 28, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Huge rumor circulating in Boston

Chad OchoCinco to the New England Patriots.

Man, I hate BB to the core.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Jul 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I just heard

Darelle Revis and Ike Taylor laughing.

by HandsofSweed on Jul 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

No longer rumor

I believe a deal has been made

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Jul 28, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anybody know Ike Taylor's contract details?

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Its a mystery

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 days, $5.26

Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years

Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome deal then

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

#steelers in no hurry to sign mewelde Moore, keyaron fox or William gay. They’re way down the list.

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by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

That is good news

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They must be banking on Isaac Redman being a solid #2 back (which is pretty obvious)

and that either Baron Batch or Jon Dwyer can be the #3 back.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And maybe letting go of Big Play Willie Gay means they might look for a FA corner

whether it is JJo, Rodgers, Carr, or somebody else

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by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad JJ is too expensive. :(

by Riddlah. on Jul 28, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and gone

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by Steel Spike on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt that

we may pick up a CB, but it won’t be a headliner. Then again, does it have to be to upgrade the position over Gay? My bet is that Butler or Lewis take the spot this year.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

William Gay's spot

I think that Curtis Brown will take over the nickle position early this year. He is the perfect fit for a slot corner; quick, great change of direction and good hands. Yes he is small and may not be the best tackler. But if he is put in on 3rd and 7 or more he will succeed. He is automatically an upgrade cover corner over gay

It seems to be the consensus, that I agree with, that Crez and Lewis are outside corners.

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by Steel_D_43 on Jul 28, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's accurate

Lewis and Allen are outside guys, but I think Butler might have something to say about how soon Brown hits the field. I think he learned outside and inside – along with a bit of safety last year.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown isn't small

he is 6’0 unless you mean as far as size and not height.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

by small i mean less than 190lbs

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by Steel_D_43 on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats overrated

look how big champ is, nnamdi, revis…

You don’t need to be big to be a shut down corner in this league.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 29, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly what I am saying

That Brown can be a gerat cover corner. I am referring to his tackling when I speak of his size. That is all. He was not the best tackler at Texas.

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by Steel_D_43 on Jul 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The day MeMo leaves (or is booted) will be a very sad day

MeMo is one of those solid cogs without which a team does not win a Super Bowl. I know that Redman fever always runs high, and Baron Batch looks intriguing, but I, for one, will be a very unhappy camper if we let MeMo go.

Has everyone forgotten the way he played in the Super Bowl? That was vintage MeMo, even though (apparently) a lot of people have always trivialized his contributions…

by Chileburger on Jul 29, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is not Memo hate

but a belief that it is possible to get players with as much talent and more upside for much less in a situation where salary has become an issue. At least that is my take on it.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jul 29, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coach really, really likes MeMo....

Probably sees a lot of himself in Moore, both on and off the field. MeMo was Tomlin’s first FA signing, IIRC. Quality guy from a quality family. Hard worker. Dependable. Clubhouse gold. Intelligent. Makes the most out of his abilities. And most of all, ready when you need to plug him in. Players with all those attributes are rare, indeed.

Problem is there are two numbers games in play here. The first, the cap number, is not negotiable. This is – as stated above – a hybrid game of chess and poker. And Tomlin’s first moves were designed to lock up his top priorities…..Taylor, the OL, etc;

Batch comes cheaper than MeMo. But he is a seventh roune draft choice who lost a season to injury. Tomlin would never hand the job to a seven before camp.

MeMo is still on the Steelers’ wish list, but he understands – like Willie Colon did – that there are others above him and circumstances force him to wait his turn. The Steelers will make him an offer, even if it is at a reduced rate, so long as they can fit him under the cap.

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by Homer J. on Jul 29, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Memo

kinda reminds me of Kevin Faulk when he played with the Pats. Damn, that guy was a pain. 3rd and 7? Brady dumps off to Faulk for 8.5 yds. 3rd and 6? Brady to Faulk for 6.25 yds. And so forth and so on. It’s like they knew what defense we had called in the huddle or something.

by HandsofSweed on Jul 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baron Batch, bro!

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by John Stephens on Jul 29, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kolb to Cards for DRC and 2nd round pick

Sweet geebus that seems desperate to me. What the hell has Kolb ever done to make them so confident he’s the answer?

They should have taken Orton for a pack of gum and joined in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. Denver just dove in headfirst into that pool. The fans were clamoring for Tebow so Elway will let him fail miserably this year to have a shot at scoring in next years draft.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

their coach is on the hot seat

they got to the super bowl and got spoiled and forgot they were the arizona cardinals, now they think they are suppose to win every year

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whiz is on the hot seat?

That is a shocker to me, unless he’s due to make an extra nickel next year with their owners… then I could see him getting fired.

Losing your #1 CB and a 2nd round pick for an unproven backup sounds like a nice way to get yourself fired though.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the last I heard

Whiz is on a tight lease. If Kolb flops, Whiz is gone.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whiz is on a tight lease. If Kolb flops, Whiz is gone.

Reading that brings back memories to all the Tomlin Haters on this board, just a couple years ago, who where (even after Tomlin beat Whiz and Grimm in the superbowl) still insisting that the Steelers chose poorly.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 28, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whiz is still a good coach imo

I think he would have done well with the Steelers, who knows, but obviously you can’t go wrong with the steelers, if holmes drop that ball again then we might be signing a different tune

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Whiz took 2 years to turn arguably one of the biggest jokes in the league into a Superbowl contender, who very nearly upset us

Not saying he has his job for life, but even if Kolb flops badly the next couple years, I would still expect Whiz to be relatively safe

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by Michael Hewitt on Jul 28, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats not what is being reported

I understand what you are saying, but that just isn’t what is being reported and judging but this huge risk in kolb, the reports may be true

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 28, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats a bigger risk though?

Drafting Gabbert at #5, sticking with Leinart, Trading for Kolb, or going into next season with Skelton

Honestly, if those were my options, I would go for Kolb. I think he is Whiz’s kind of passer.

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by Michael Hewitt on Jul 28, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

On John Skelton...

When watching him play here in AZ, he remind me so much of a young Ben Roethlisberger in Whiz offense too bad the Cards have no O-line, or running game or defense since they keep getting the Steelers older players, (Haggan’s can’t, never has and never will get to the QB!!)

by Steel34D on Jul 29, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather have Orton than Kolb if I were teh Cards

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by Steel_D_43 on Jul 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong...

Im in AZ an trust me Whiz is not on the hot seat unless they go like 3-13 this year, other than that the have had pretty decent years for the Cards while he has been hear. Huge fan of Whiz.

by Steel34D on Jul 29, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to admire how Elway handled the politics of Tebow though

If he trots him out and he does well then it’s a win. If he falls on his face and they wind up with Luck it’s a major win because he can say “I never picked him”.

Either way the stupid fans here would never believe Tebow isn’t worth the hype until they see it with their own eyes.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whiz

I meant to reply to yours

by TorchM on Jul 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure Whiz would rather not come back

kind of bitter the Rooney’s didn’t pick him I’d guess, but if he wanted the job then by all means please take it from Arians.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly certain Norv Turner gets fired next year if the Chargers disappoint again

I’d like to see him as our O Coordinator. He’s a bad head coach, but dude can call plays.

by JDSpartan on Jul 28, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least Norve has the basic concept down

If something is working then do it until someone stops you. With Arians he can run a successful play, and you won’t see it again for a month. If the play fails, it’s guaranteed you’ll see it 10 more times during the game.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, Tomlin's a savvy coach and a sound judge of NFL talent, agreed.

But I don’t think anyone really knows why Tomlin makes the moves that he does. He’s a solid coach but whether his instincts are better than other NFL coaches is an open question. The #1 asset Tomlin has going for him is his work ethic. In this respect, he’s a lot like Chuck Noll. When you work hard, good things tend to happen.

by Billy52 on Jul 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

This isn't good news

That dude can still play his a*s off.

I just hope Chad goes against Belichick’s wishes and acts like a primadonna there too.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colon resigned!!

5 years $29 million via Bouchette and LaConforay

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

whoa, cool.

How much is against the cap for this season, i wonder

by tkired on Jul 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schefter also tweeted that

My Seton Hall blog: http://thesetonhallblog.blogspot.com/
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My Draft Blog: draftdatabase.wordpress.com

by seton hall and steelers on Jul 28, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's hoping that I'm the wrongest person on the planet regarding Colon

I’ve been hard on him. I never thought he was that good. I certainly hope that I was dead wrong and some of the others on this site can tell me “I told you so”, because if he doesn’t pan out then we’re not going to see a major upgrade at his position until Ben’s 35… and if we don’t see an improvement on the line in general I don’t think Ben is playing that long.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was with you in 2008

But 09 Colon was drastically better. He apparently spurned the Bears who were offering him 3 million more. Bouchette quoted Colon saying he couldn’t imagine leaving Pittsburgh.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 28, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the question that still needs to be answered

was 2009 a sign of things to come, or just one good year? I don’t know, but I guess at this point I’ll have faith the staff knows what they’re doing.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You still refuse to watch tape of him, huh?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said - I hope to be proven dead wrong

I’m just a little hesitant to be excited about it at this point, but 8 games into the season I would be happy to post an “I was dead wrong about Colon” comment.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy

I swear to God I hope you get that chance!! :)

by HandsofSweed on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep more cuts most likely still to come

that and I hear they are close to signing Woodley, so that should give some cap relief from his $10M tag.

Battle and Foote would seem likely to me especially with all the WR’s they brought into camp and new LB’s.

My main question would be if they would look at Kemo who is overpaid and in addition is on the PUP list to start camp. That’s $4M that could be on the table too.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome stuff, Homer.

This Steelers front office has shown the ability to turn-over a roster while at the same-time keep their major “now” players on board. This free agent mess will be the FO’s biggest test yet. Even my head is spinning, and I’m just some fan.

by Anthony Defeo on Jul 28, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Post Homer

just trust the FO and their moves. Interesting bits on Coach Arn

"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Jul 28, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

is this true?

I just heard a rumor that Sweed timed out on the conditioning “evaluation” today. I find it hard to believe, but if he did then he isn’t taking this whole pro thing very seriously. I hope it’s bogus, but if it’s not then I can see him in the first cut.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't mention that to Johnny

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell I'd be upset too

I’ve been holding out hope that Sweed would finally come around. Anyways, I’ve seen no official report so it’s probably just another rumor.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have a link to the rumor?

A long way from Pittsburgh PA, in fact, 8653.2 miles to be precise. My blood still bleeds black and gold like the rest of Steeler Nation, proud fan since 2002.

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by Michael Hewitt on Jul 28, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd give the link, but it was on bleacher report and I'm embarrassed to admit that I read it.

I was just wondering if any of the regulars were at camp that could say if it was true or not.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that on twitter.

Ken_Laird Limas Sweed and Jon Dwyer were also tapped out before the runs finished. Dwyer was consistently last in his group #steelers
about 4 hours ago

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 28, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwyer was consistently last?

WOW – that must have been something to see. That UDFA Clay we picked up runs a 4.81 40. Was Dwyer walking or what?

That “steal” is looking more like a wasted 6th rounder.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read that he looked like a nose tackle

 thus leading me to think he may be the next Jerome Bettis. Just waiting for the coaches to declare that he’s " in the best shape ever"

by Steely McSmash on Jul 29, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not shocked about Dwyer

Exactly the same lousy attitude he had last year.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he got his degree

because he’ll be needing it very soon.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember hearing about this

"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)

"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I remember several reporters talking about it. He always “had his head in the clouds” during drills. Although, that is very similar to what they said about Rashard his rookie camp.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mendy was a whole lot safer lock to make the roster though

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ADD does that to you

People with untreated ADD often seem like daydreamers. I wonder if his meds are banned by the NFL or if he just wants to live without them (which is great if you don’t mind daydreaming).

"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)

"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jul 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laird said this too

Ken_Laird Sweed could be achilles injury related, not sure. Dwyer just looked bad RT @MPollice: @Ken_Laird Dwyer and Sweed bubble boys just fell off
about 3 hours ago

I don’t buy that though. Swede said he was up to 110%

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 28, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

however
MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
For what its worth, tomlin said “good job” after telling sweed to stop early.

by Simonsen on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats more like it

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by Michael Hewitt on Jul 28, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good news

I do feel for Sweed because he’s always been regarded as an extremely hard worker, and overall just a quality guy.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously Dwyer?

That dude should have known to be in tip top shape once camp started. He must think that he is a lock for the roster.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he is that big of an idiot

I want to blame it on the achillies

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CM PUNK IS MY HERO
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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 29, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

no - it was some clown on another board mentioned it like he'd been there

so I posted it here to see if anyone was at camp that could say if it was true or not.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 28, 2011 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick Eason in Arizona
Steelersdepot Steelers Depot
Nick Eason signs with Pittsburgh West #steelers

by Simonsen on Jul 28, 2011 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus Christ Arizona

get off our nuts

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 28, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha rec'd

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jul 28, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus Christ Arizona?

Is that one of Nathan Arizona’s kids? The only one I remember was Nathan Arizona Jr, and he got kidnapped by Hi and Ed.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Jul 29, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

only good

movie Cage ever did

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Jul 29, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

My comma key is broken

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Jul 29, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

they save money every year

by not having a scouting department of their own. It’s easier to just pick up our cast offs.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

Good for him! I hope he succeeds there.

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by Steel Spike on Jul 29, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Savvy take

Great analysis. Right on the…er…money.

by Boss Steeler Chick on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

FA musings

Texans – jonathan joseph for 5 yrs / $48.75 $23.5mm guaranteed / $12.5mm signing bonus
Lions- eric wright terms unknown
New Orleans – Darren Sproles, 4 year/$14mm $6mm guaranteed
Panthers LB – Jon Beason 5yr ext $50mm$25mm guaranteed…highest ILB ever
Eagles – Vince Young

Nnnamdi Asomugha – Still say he goes to the Jets. outside chance he goes 49ers or bucs. in think nnamdi decides on friday, this is getting ridiculous.

Osi Umenyiora – I think he becomes available ATL, BAL and maybe NE would have interest.

Plax – predicting he goes to giants, maybe steelers.

Randy Moss – Jets will take him if they cannot re-sign braylon or acceptable replacement

cornerback market still in flux with nnamdi, cromartie, carlos roger, chris houston, nate clements, brent grimes and fabian washington available.

friday should be pretty crazy as coaches want to get deals done and focus on practice.

by kk99 on Jul 29, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if the Texans are going for the major upgrade

and trying to sign both Joseph and Nnamdi. Wow – that would take them from worst secondary ever to at least the top 5 or 10 in the league I’d guess.

Of course – you have to pay anybody premium price to live in Houston.

by lkwdsteel on Jul 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is no indication of that but you never know

apparently the texans were going to have to move to $15mm+ and maybe close to $20mm to land nnamdi, at that price and with the worry that joseph could be taken at any minute they decided they could not afford to be left holding their d*ck, so they pulled the trigger on joseph.

at this point anything is possible as many teams are not showing their hand.even schefter, mort don’t know the teams that are lurking. but it is nearly impossible to compete with NY if a player wants to live there, especially in the nnamdi case.

by kk99 on Jul 29, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston?

What is wrong with living in Houston?

"I will not retire from the NFL. I will continue to play the game with the same passion, intensity and focus with which I have always played and let the chips fall where they may. I have never given up, quit or walked away from anything in my life and I am not about to start now. I will not let down my family, friends or the Steelers Nation."

by WARDANE33 on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Piece, as usual!

I really doubt that the Steelers will do anything in the FA market. They brought in 20 UDFA’s and would have too many folks in camp already if they didn’t have Ward, Bright and Kemo on the PUP and with certain folks not able to come in until Aug 4. Remember that you can have only 90 in camp and that would normally be about 42 on offense, 42 on defense and six on special teams. I am counting 41 signees on offense (doesn’t include the PUP guys), 40 on defense, and 5 on ST. Not a lot of room left. Lots more decisions coming before Aug. 4

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Jul 29, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Good article

The only thing is I think the Plax thing is real. Great asset for cheap. The only question is if he has changed a little bit. Plax wasn’t a bad guy just not a great teammate who made a bad decision. He did not deserve to go to prison. NY City was just trying to make an example of him. How many Gang Bangers probably get off with less punishment then him for the same crime. I hope he has cleaned up his football act.

by lshaffer_69 on Jul 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Still need about 5 more for our little fantasy experiment with a league of just defensive players.
Obviously you can have other main leagues, but this was just an idea we had for fun. (Since fantasy football is usually so offense-focused)
Join here if interested.

http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leagueoffice?leagueId=110828

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But also a lover of the Steel Curtain.

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by Pantology on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  


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