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My thoughts from FedEx Field

The last time I ventured to FedEx Field, the Steelers were playing the Redskins the night before President Obama would be elected.  There are some people who say that because the Steelers won that game, a Democrat was destined to be elected President; and, since I work for the Government, I can assure you that this theory is true, and is also the main reason our dear owner is Ambassador to Ireland.

 I returned tonight to watch a preseason game that even in July I did not expect to take place.  I attended the game with my fiancée, which had special significance because one of our first dates was the 2008 game mentioned above.  It was great to see a game this early in preseason, where most of the players are rusty and the rookies are out to prove themselves.  I came away from the game with a few solidified thoughts about certain Steeler veterans (William Gay) and with a new interest in others (Miguel Chavis).  I was mocked by other fans for writing my thoughts about every play of the game, but I hope you all find some useful insight from my seat in section 220.

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The game started with the same type of play-calling we have all come to know in the Bruce Arians era: run with Mendenhall for minimal gain, Great catch by Antonio Brown for 19 yards (though Ben hurt his hand a little on this play and the ball wobbled a bit), dump off to Rashard when the play broke off, then a deep bomb to a streaking Mike Wallace.  As usual, Wallace had a good 5-10 yards on his defender, but Ben overthrew him; this was a clear example of how the lockout will hurt teams early on, as these two are obviously rusty and just short of being on the same page.  I will note that Ben overthrowing Wallace after just hurting his hand is probably a very good sign for how good of shape our QB kept his arm, even while planning a wedding.  The final play of the drive was ruled with Ben going down to the turf, but he fought the whole way down with two Skins draped around him: Midseason form for Ben, further proof our O-Line is still bad (this was a rough night for our offensive line, and they were quite obviously the weakest unit we put on the field, followed closely by our secondary).

The first drive by the Defense showed flashes of brilliance - particularly once the Redskins were in the Red Zone - as well as areas we need to work on before the season starts.  The very first play was a blown assignment by William Gay (a theme of the night) that allowed a good gain for Sexy Rexy Grossman.  The rest of the drive featured an injury to Ryan Clark (doesn't seem serious), Tim Hightower showing we may have problems with strong running backs if things don't change, two missed holding calls, some great penetration by our LB's, and some nice work by Ryan Mundy filling in for Troy. 

I'm going to digress a bit for a moment those of you watching on TV might have missed while at commercial, and I think it was an important moment of the game.  On our second offensive possession, Wallace was slammed to the ground by the sideline in a pretty blatant late hit that pushed Tomlin over the edge after two other no holding calls in the previous possession.  When a timeout was taken, Tomlin chewed out three different refs for most of the break before finally calming down.  We all know Tomlin to be diplomatic and he rarely loses it like he did during the timeout, but I was very happy he stood up for his team early, because this could be a long year if Steelers are being targeted by officials and Commissioner Goodell. 

 

Now onto positional highlights:

Quarterback:

Ben played just the one series, and while he wasn't on the same page as his receivers, getting out of this game with just a minor hand injury is nothing less than a miracle for our ever-injured Franchise Player.  Leftwich had a pretty bad first series with an overthrow to Brown and a sack taken after holding the ball too long.  His second series wasn't too eventful either, however he picked it up in his third and fourth possessions and looked the best in those two drives out of any of our backups.  On our lone scoring drive, Leftwich had a great play go for 29 yards to Antonio Brown (though the throw was a little off) and another 11 yard pass to Brown to set up Redman's great touchdown, more on that later.  Overall, Leftwich impressed me and is clearly the second option at this juncture.

Charlie Batch was Charlie Batch.  Charlie managed the game, handed off the ball and didn't make and didn't make any mistakes.  He didn't do anything to hurt himself, and with the performance Dixon put in, that was all he needed.  Dennis Dixon is wearing on me.  I understand he wants to be a starter, but the kid needs to prove something first.  Only Philly can sell unproven Quarterbacks to desperate teams, and I honestly think Dixon would be a hard sell for Andy Reid to make.  In his last drive Dixon showed some flashes with a nice run and good pass, but with many incomplete passes, bad field management, and his recent attitude and late arrival to Camp, I would much rather have the Steelers try to make a trade, or just cut the guy and go with Lefty and Batch.  Dixon has a lot to prove in the next few games after going 1 for 10, and he has the most to lose.

Running Backs:

Mendenahll barely played and didn't impress, so let's jump straight to the best player we had tonight: Isaac Redman.  Redman scored our only touchdown and he approached every run with a hard style like it was 4th and goal from the 1-yard line while averaging over 8 yards per carry.  We have all loved Isaac Redman here, but this game he looked like a young Jerome Bettis.  He was quick, spun a few times to gain some yards, and ran very hard.  If Mendehall is out of the game, I feel like we finally have a great compliment who can carry some of the load.  Mewelde Moore looked average tonight.  He had an easy drop mixed in with some decent runs, but mostly he was unimpressive.  There is a spot open for the third running back on this team, and I am very sad Baron Batch will not be filling it, though this game highlighted someone who might.  Jonathan Dwyer didn't look stellar, but he looked the best I have seen him in a Steelers uniform.  Dwyer put in some hard runs and had good explosiveness and cutback ability, even behind a very bad offensive line.  Dwyer also caught a pass, and if he improves throughout camp, he could make the active roster and possibly move past Moore.  After Clay rushed for 3 yards, the Steelers didn't attempt another run (aside from Dixon) for the rest of the night.  I would have liked to see more from Clay, but overall a weak night from anyone not named Isaac Redman.

Wide Receivers:

Antonio Brown looked fantastic tonight.  He was explosive, displayed great hands and got up after being dragged down pretty hard on a pass-interference call.  Brown had 4 catches for 64 yards and placed the block on Redman's touchdown in the secondary that opened up the end zone.  Wallace showed great speed, but wasn't on the same page as Ben (nothing to worry about), and Eric Greenwood's one catch for 29 yards was just about the only other highlight from our passing attack.  A scary near injury happened Wes Lyons went up on his 6'8" frame and nearly pulled down a ball Shaq would have had trouble with, only to have the ball slip from his grip as he slammed into the ground.  After a few minutes on the field, he jogged off a pretty good speed by himself, and I assume he just got the wind knocked out of him pretty hard and saw some stars.  If Lyons can make those catches in the future, he would be well-worth a place on the Practice Squad while he develops. 

The real loser of the WR competition was Arnaz Battle.  Battle dropped two very easy catches and had another play where he ran into a fellow wide receiver, forcing Leftwich to sail a bail out of bounds.  With the signing of Cotchery, I do not see a place for Battle on this team.  If we keep a 6th wide receiver (on top of Ward, Wallace, Sanders, Brown, and Cotchery) it will likely be Sweed or Grisham for what they bring that our other wide-outs might not have.  I don't expect Battle to last much longer in camp, and I hope he catches on somewhere else if he should happen to be cut.

Tight Ends:

This will be pretty short, because there wasn't much production out of our tight ends.  Two key points for this position however, regard the play of David Johnson, and the limited use of Weslye Saunders.  First, let me say that Johnson was awful today.  He missed blocks (his biggest contribution to this team), and looked abysmal whenever he was called upon to run a route.  This was not a good day for Johnson, and the Steelers need to start evaluating their younger guys some more if he can't get the job done.  Second, I was surprised by the limited use of Saunders, and the method in which he was used.  Saunders didn't get a chance to play until Dixon was in the game, and was almost exclusively reserved for blocking when he was playing.  Blocking isn't Saunders' expertise, and I would have much rather seen him catching balls from Leftwich and seeing what he can add to the game should Heath need to miss any time.  Disappointing day for tight ends.

Offensive Line:

This was just a travesty, and outside of the starters (who were not by any means spectacular) I was only impressed with one player: second round pick Marcus Gilbert.  I was a huge critic of the Gilbert pick, and am still not sure he was the right guy to go with, but I can see what the FO saw.  Gilbert dominated the men he went up against, and adjusted well to being passed a rusher by another lineman.  He wasn't perfect, but he showed flashes of the potential he has, and I wouldn't object at all to him moving into a starting spot at some point this season. 

Defensive Line:

This was one of the stronger units on the night, even though the Redskins put up 140 yards rushing on the night.  Keisel, Hood, Hoke, and Hampton all looked very good and I am sure as the season gets closer, they will all play better.  I was particularly interested in how Cam Heyward would play, and he looked like a future superstar at times.  Heyward is definitely more interested/comfortable with filling gaps than rushing the passer, but he has a motor that will take him toward the passer if he breaks free.  He looked very much like Keisel insomuch as he never really got to the QB, but rushed some throws that may have been capitalized on by our first string secondary.  His best play of the night was a manhandling of a running back that ended with a great slamdown.  Heyward shrugged off a blocker and showed great lateral movement to chase down the running back and grabbing his jersey.  Once the jersey was in his hand, it looked like the RB had been lassoed in a cartoon, because he shot backwards and was thrown to the ground with great strength.  One final player of note on the defensive line was Miguel Chavis, a rookie out of Clemson.  There is little chance he makes the team because he frankly isn't fast enough, nor strong enough to play at this level, but I was impressed by what he was able to do.  Maybe he will catch on with another team, or in another professional league, because he plays above his physical capabilities.  Chavis (number 65, same as Gilbert so take that as an indication of his chance to make the team) had stiff hips and made some so-so plays, but he always seemed to be involved on the tackles while he was in the game, and opened up some spaces for Sylvester to have a good showing.  Good luck to you Mr. Chavis, it was fun watching you tonight.

Linebackers:

Woodley, Timmons and Farrior were the only starters to play, and they all had good and bad moments.  Timmons missed a tackle he had no business whiffing on, and Woodley wasn't the excellent pass-rusher we expect him to be during the season, but they didn't let me down tonight.  Larry Foote and Stevenson Sylvester had the best game from the LB position.  Sylvester played a lot of the game, and was very good.  There were a number of plays where both Foote and Sylvester penetrated the line and got into the quarterback's face.  I was impressed by the speed of both (particularly Sylvester) and thought they both showed a lot of heart, which is good since they are competing for the primary backup spot at ILB.  One area where I will critique Sylvester is in pass coverage.  His hips are stiff, and he loses some of his speed when moving laterally following a receiver's route.  The two other LB's I'll mention are Worilds and Chris Carter.  Worilds showed flashes on a few rushes and was able to play pretty well with the first unit.  He didn't do anything particularly special, but he held his own, and I believe he will develop into a great player given time.  Carter on the other hand did not look very good on the few plays I focused on him.  He was often out of place and still hasn't learned where he needs to be on any given play (something I know will come with more time) which often led to him missing plays he should have made.  Carter didn't show much in pass rushing either, so overall he needs to study the playbook more and just show some improvement as the season progresses.

Secondary:

I am lumping them together because this was a pretty unimpressive unit tonight.  Ryan Clark was injured and out early, and up until he got his bell rung, Ryan Mundy looked just good enough to challenge Clark for a starter role.  I was very impressed by Mundy's coverage, hitting and understanding of his place in the defense.  After he was injured delivering a brutal shot over the middle, he wasn't the same player, but he still was the brightest spot in our secondary tonight.  Keenan Lewis had good and bad moments.  He made some solid tackles, was in position to stop plays right after the WR made the catch, and helped out in run support; however, Lewis was also beaten a few times, particularly when he was playing off his man, and gave up some big plays because he couldn't stick with Santana Moss.  I didn't see much from the younger guys who suited up tonight, though Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith looked like he should be earning himself a roster spot with some solid tackling and a knack for being involved in seemingly every play.  Two players had very bad showings, one is young and I can forgive him, the other needs to be cut and we shouldn't look back.  First, the young player, Donovan Warren, first caught my eye during warm-ups when it appeared as though he had learned how to catch a pass exclusively from the school of Ike Taylor.  He spent the rest of the game looking slow, getting beaten, and basically showing up late to every play he should have been in on, waiting until after large chunks of yards were gained until he arrived.  In other words, he looked like a young William Gay, who just so happens to be my pick for worst player of the game.  Gay didn't make a single play that I could be excited about.  He has not improved at all from last year, and clearly wasn't as upset as we all were about his play in the Super Bowl.  It is time for the Steelers to cut ties with William Gay, and give the admittedly flawed Keenan Lewis a chance to play the Nickel.

Special Teams:

Daniel Sepulveda was by far the better punter in this game.  He looks like he has all of his leg strength back, and showed great placement of kicks both in the game, and in warm-ups.  As much as I thank Kapinos for his help getting us to the Super Bowl last year, he showed a weak leg, little in the way of directional kicking (particularly in warm-ups where he landed one out of dozens of kicks outside of the end zone) and didn't stack up at all to Sepulveda. 

The kickers were a little bit of a better match up.  For starters, Suisham has the edge in this race because he is a) a proven vet who has made kicks at Hines Field in the winter; and b) more consistently accurate than his counterpart.  The only chance Waters has at this point though, is to utilize his leg strength to a point that Tomlin feels comfortable overlooking his average accuracy. During warm-ups, Waters was kicking balls from 50 yards (often not very accurately) that were still rising when they hit the net behind the goalpost.  The fact that the balls were still rising indicates he easily could have been making these kicks from 60+ yards.  I was very impressed by his leg strength and in his one practice kickoff, he nearly put it into the stands on the fly.  This kid has a monster leg, and if he can fix his accuracy issues will be a force as our kicker.  Maybe next year.

One quick comment while we are talking about special teams.  After watching the game live, this new 35-yard line kickoff rule is horrid.  This rule has effectively taken away kick returns from the game.  Unless a fluke play occurs (as it did in this one) where the team gets down to on coverage so fast and the receiver is crazy enough to run even though he is 8 yards into the end zone, then due to this over-pursuit and the kicking team assuming a touchback the receiver returns to the 50-yard line, there is no more use for kick return specialists.  I think it is sad that this part of the game has been effectively removed.  Bad rule NFL, I hope you change back in the near future.

Overall, I think the Steelers played like a team still catching up after a long lockout.  The team will look sharper as the preseason progresses, and the starters will get more time to work together.  Redskins fans were thrilled they won this game tonight, but we all know this is no indication of how this season will go.  I saw some good and some bad tonight, but overall we are watching a star being born (Isaac Redman), and hopefully the fall of a long-frenemy William Gay.  I will leave you with my thanks to everyone who brought football back this year, because there is nothing like putting on your Steelers jersey and rooting for the Black and Gold.  Go Steelers!

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gray #67

he makes casey look little

by frednash777 on Aug 13, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to hear your perspective...

I’m watching the replay on NFL Network as I write. I think Gay should be gone. He is simply nothing special — to the point that replacing his brand of mediocrity is priced at about a dime-a-dozen..

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Aug 13, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

We know what Gay can do. Let’s see what Lewis, Butler, Brown or others are capable of when given the chance. At least if they fail we know we aren’t as deep at CB as we hope we are, and move for another player earlier in the draft.

At this point, Gay brings nothing to the team and I hope he is cut so others can have a chance.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 13, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree with you on Worilds

He was awful in run support. He has signs of being a great pass rusher, but I found he was a big weak link in our front seven yesterday. I’m glad we have Woodley and Harrison locked up long term because Worilds still has a lot of developing to do

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 13, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd by the way

Great detail and a great read.

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 13, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

I appreciate the read and the comments.

What I liked about Worilds was his ability to stick to his zone. He didn’t look great against the run, I completely agree, but he looked fast, strong and he appeared to know the plays. I expect him to get some time this year in the rotation and I think he will improve. Sylvester will be fantastic this year though.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 13, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sylvester is a stud

You can tell he wants this more than anything. He looks bigger, faster and stronger this year. He must have outstanding work ethic

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 13, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look forward to him being a Steeler for a long time

It is a little scary how good the LB corps will be for the next 5-10 years if Sylvester and Worilds live up to their massive potential.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 13, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding of LeBeau's basic 3-4 is that the DL guys stick to the zone....

….the (3) DL guys take up the blockers and shut down the lanes….so that the (4) LB’s make the plays.

The Redskins ran at Worild’s side all night, and he was constantly half a second late to the party. He was the one supposed to make the play, according to the design of the D, but – all too often – he didn’t.

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by Homer J. on Aug 14, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice review Michael

Gotta agree with you, the new kickoff rule is bad.

Throw style points out the window.

Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum. Is very bad.

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by BigLumber55 on Aug 13, 2011 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Gay was terrible-

and i am for letting Keenen in there – it’s simply time to move on. Butler and Lewis (and conceivably Brown) could do no worse- so let’s make the opposing QB learn a new number to pick on other than #22!!!!

by crosby87 on Aug 14, 2011 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Cut Gay

The 31 other offensive coordinators in the NFL all realize by now that you can throw his way all day!! It’s mind blowing to me that Colbert re-signed him this off season. If it wasn’t clear enough that he sucked before the super bowl, it was pretty damnclear afterwards. None of the younger guys can be worse than him.

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by RoethlisCrosby on Aug 14, 2011 5:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Camp body

a vet that knows the defense already, if someone gets injured then you’ll need him

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

All of the younger guys are worse than him...

Otherwise he wouldn’t be ahead of them on the depth charts.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Aug 17, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

^This!

All the Wm. Gay haters need to get grip! Why are you guys SO smart…and LeBeau, Tomlin, and the FO so dumb! What exactly is your expertise?

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Aug 15, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do I remember this right?

I remember two or three straight plays where Gay stopped the ravens in the red zone. Gave the ball back to the steelers and they couldn’t get a first down. The next sequence resulted in a TD to Douchemanzada. Don’t know who was covering, but it was confusion and blown assignments, I think.

Gay’s had some highlights over the years, but overall doesn’t play at the level of his teammates.

Nice writeup, thanks.

by IronJake on Aug 14, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Does everyone

not know by now that Gay is a nickle CB? He was playing in the #1 & 2 spots, not his forte and although he aloud catches he didn’t allow yards after, which is kinda what a zone D is all about. You play over the top so that the player doesn’t break for huge yardage. Gay isn’t the best but the bashing seems uneducated and unwarranted IMO.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Aug 14, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

How is it uneducated?

We all understand he is a nickel, but he still has to cover. And if there is an injury, something not unheard of in football, he moves into the starter role. If the team demotes him to the Dime so he really doesn’t have to cover, that is one thing, but you are ignoring the fact that there are younger players with more upside being blocked by Gay. If Gay stays on the team: Lewis, Butler, Brown and any other young DB will not get the chance to learn from playing; thus, they will be kept from developing into the starting corners we need and want them to be.

He may be average at the Nickel, but who is to say our younger players will not be better? They won’t be given the chance while Gay is on this team, and it is odd that you think it is uneducated to want our younger players to see playing time over a known quantity who has little to bring to the team other than below-average Nickel coverage.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want

To second guess the coaching staff, feel free. There is obviously a reason they brought Gay back, and there is a reason he was playing in front of those other hopefuls. Non of us, including me, know what the staff does or what plays were being called. Multiple injuries to many of those young guns kept Gay playing above his level, my guess is those others are probably far to green to even put in that position. Again without the insight the coaching staff has, all speculation is just that. Plus most of the comments are simply “Gay sucks” with nothing to back it up.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Aug 14, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

I was not refering to the artical, but the multiple Gay sucks comments.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Aug 14, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you weren't

This was just my opinion, I respect your right to disagree. But it isn’t uneducated to say that he isn’t good. You just might disagree.

You point out the reason he is on the team, the others are unproven. If the lockout hadn’t occurred and the younger players had been given the chance to work with the coaches since they were drafted, we might be looking at a different situation.

My point is that they are young and unproven, and obviously the coaches are more comfortable with experienced players, but I would rather see the young guys get a chance to prove what they have, instead of us drafting DB’s in the 3rd round for the next 5 years until we are forced to make a move.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

with all of this, I am not defending Gay as anymore than a passable nickle, I appreciate your opinion and you are not the person I was directing my uneducated comment at as you have articulated the reasons behind your comments, but many people that are just yelling about cutting him without any backup plans. I also agree with your stance on the young guns, see my comments below about the injuries and not dressed issues

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Aug 14, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael - this is a great write-up, but...

Do you not think that the young guys have been given EVERY chance last year and in camp so far to beat out Gay? The fact that they haven’t done it speaks volumes to me! I cannot imagine Tomlin, LeBeau, etc. sacrificing a SB chance because they LOVE Wm. Gay!

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Aug 15, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Camp has been going on for less than 2 weeks

There have been injuries and the young guys are more invested in learning the defense at the moment. It is unfair to give them 2 weeks to prove more than Gay, who has been given season to show what he is.

I would point to the fact that Gay was signed as a last resort to be brought back as a show of their lack of confidence in him, and the fact that they aren’t sure they can get the young guys caught up. I am just saying I would rather see them given a chance to prove themselves over Gay at the moment. If they fail, then we are stuck with him, but he was awful in coverage. He was beat when playing close, and isn’t fast enough to keep up with guys like Santana Moss coming over the middle. He really doesn’t bring much to the team, and with the age of our other DB’s, I would rather give the young guys a chance than go with someone I know will fail.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 15, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do understand that, but

As Tomlin said, you can’t make the team from the tub (bye, bye Cortez!). Plus, they obviously don’t trust Lewis & Butler (hence Dockery & Harris signings). It is possible that the last two signings also signal the end for Gay, but they would NOT have signed Gay if they agreed with all of the Willie Gay haters that he sucked. And I think your opinion on the timing of the re-signing of Gay is without substantiation and without merit. Somebody had to be first and somebody last and others in between. I believe actually that Hoke was signed after Gay. Were they sending him a message?

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Aug 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The very first pass to Santana Moss...

Gay was in press coverage didn’t even get a hand on him to redirect was chasing the rest of the play. Seem to remember the same type of play in the Super Bowl where Gay was in press coverage and did redirect at all. I do think i the off coverage people forget that the defense is playing vanilla coverage not allowing the big play. However when has been given the chance to stop the pass William Gay continually proven to lack the technique to play press and made multiple mental errors in coverage. I believe at some point in the preseason or season Curtis Brown or Keenan Lewis will take over the nickle opportunity.

by Steel34D on Aug 14, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

Gay is a decent tackler, and he has always been one of our better corners on the blitz, but that isn’t enough anymore.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The worse things is that Keenan Lewis (who is our projected replacement #3) has possibly been worse against lesser competition.

I think we will have Gay at #3 for at least one more year

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 14, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least if we give Lewis a chance and he fails

We can be rid of the Lewis experiment and William Gay. I would rather know what the young guys have and move forward after this year, than expect them to contribute and not have any other backups.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis

and Butler were injured during the game, effectively ending their chances to show their metal. I don’t think Brown played and Allen was injured. There was no one to put in for Gay

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Aug 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

got ya

I am hopeful that Gay is displaced by one of the youngunz by midseason. I think the short pre season hampered the growth of many of them.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Aug 14, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I personally don't subscribe to that hocus-pocus. What happened in the other games will have no bearing on the outcome of this game. Each individual performance stands on its own. We're not buying into that."

Mike Tomlin - When asked about beating the Ravens three times in one season in 2008-2009 season.

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

"I personally don't subscribe to that hocus-pocus. What happened in the other games will have no bearing on the outcome of this game. Each individual performance stands on its own. We're not buying into that."

Mike Tomlin - When asked about beating the Ravens three times in one season in 2008-2009 season.

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finally got to watch the game today

I had a really busy weekend so I had to put the game off.

I don’t see Dixon making the squad. He was really bad in this game and he hasn’t showed anything in his career that makes me believe he can be a competent passer.

I don’t think there is an open spot for the 3rd RB. I think once Batch went down Moore automatically gained a roster spot. Dwyer is unimpressive and Clay has miles to go before being an NFL back.

On WRs, I agree with almost everything except on your take of the Lyons play. He plain out dropped the ball, before he hit the ground. It was right in his hand and he didn’t put his hands around it. Not good for a guy on the outside looking in. I thought Grisham ran some good routes, but his inability to block because of his size was apparent on quite a few plays.

I agree on Saunders and I would add his blocking was horrendous. He missed a block and it resulted in a sack. He had another block that allowed his defender to push him into Lefty (I think that was the roughing the passer play).

On the OL, the big things I noticed is that Chris Scott was awful. He got pushed around on pass protection and tossed out of the way on running plays. I heard good things on him from camp, but he looked like shit in the game. Legursky was awful. He got tossed around on a few plays by Washington’s starting DT. It looked like a child lining up against men. Lastly, Tony Hills had a fantastic game. He stoned Orakpo for the entire time he was in. So odd. I have heard he looked like crap in practice and then he goes out and stones a great LB? What the hell?

Of the DL, I thought Hampton had the best night. He was getting such a good push through the line it was awesome. Several times he ended up in the backfield of the Skins right off the snap. I’d love to see that during the season. I didn’t see a lot of Heyward, which means he was probably doing his job well.

LBs, I agree with the starters. Thought Foote and Sly looked great. I was unimpressed by Worilds. He didn’t do anything flashy and seemed out of place (i.e. blocked out of the play) on a few runs. I think the short camp definitely hurt him. I didn’t see Carter make any plays..so that is probably telling.

Secondary was easily the worst thing to watch tonight. Mundy was the lone bright spot IMO. I can definitely see him being a competent starter down the line. He was everywhere in the field, just like Troy. His man did score their TD, but it was on a pick play that I didn’t think was legal. Keenan Lewis was bad. Santana Moss made him look like a joke. There was one play when he was giving the traditional cushion on 3rd down. He then proceed to back pedal a good 7 yards past the first down yardage and left Moss with an easy catch. He appeared to be terrible about knowing where the ball was. He seems to lock into his player and never turn to get a play on the ball. He seemed more comfortable allowing the catch and then making the tackle. The only problem is that he was giving so much cushion and his closing speed didn’t look that great. Additionally, I thought Butler looked awful. He got beat on a 3rd and 3 where it looked like he was back pedaling for a deep pass when they only needed 3. Gay was awful. He tried to play press coverage a few times and just got ripped off the line. If you are going to play press you need to push the WR off his route off the line, William.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Aug 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and I disagree about Da’mon. He was out of position a few times in zone coverage. Also, his tackling skills leave a lot to be desired.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Aug 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few comments

I didn’t mean to imply that Lyons had a great play, I just meant he showed a lot going up as high as he did. If he can learn how to run routes better and catch, he could be a great player just based on his size.

Saunders isn’t a blocker and that showed. I want him to make the team as the 3rd TE who comes in during passing situations (red zone?), but at the moment that is all he has. I also thought David Johnson looked awful in blocking. That is his specialty, and I was very disappointed.

I think Hills and Gilbert should start getting looks with the first unit to see if this was a fluke or not. Gilbert at RG, Hills at LT. We shall see.

Hampton looked great. The DL as a whole was one of our stronger units. Cam Heyward looked like a beast. He had a few off plays where he is still learning, but he is definitely strong/talented enough to play at this level.

Live, Worilds looked better than he did on tape, and Carter looked worse. He was never in position and was manhandled away from the ball a few times. Worilds needs to learn the defense, but the skills are there.

I think Da’Mon showed that he is talented, but needs to learn a lot. I think he will get much better as training camp moves forward.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post by the way. Very cognitive and well organized.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Aug 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I was writing it at about 2 in the morning after getting home from the game, so I was worried it wouldn’t make much sense.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hills

I sure hope Hills works out well at backup OT, and eventual LT starter. I have been waiting for him to develop, had high hopes for him when he was drafted. Everyone knew it would take awhile, but perhaps the investment is paying off now

by tkired on Aug 14, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope so

If he were to develop into the player we all hoped he would be, that would be a great boon to the team.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read

Very thoughtful analysis.

Agree on Dixon. He looked like a nervous teenager out there. Definitely did not show the thought and precision that it takes to be Ben’s backup.

by Jamie Blogs on Aug 14, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

awesome stuff

Thanks for this. I was away in Vegas at a SB Nation conference and didn’t see this until just now. Would have main paged for sure! Useful for me because I haven’t had a chance to watch yet.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Aug 14, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I was away in Vegas at a SB Nation conference

Sure, you were at a “conference”

A long way from Pittsburgh PA, in fact, 8653.2 miles to be precise. My blood still bleeds black and gold like the rest of Steeler Nation, proud fan since 2002.

BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia

by Michael Hewitt on Aug 14, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

I of course got into some typical vegas bs trouble. Nothing legal of course, just the predictable drink too much spend too much money trouble.

Great conference though! I’m reenergized to make the site even better this season, but for now tired as _______

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Aug 14, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i love madlibs. tired as a steel factory worker??

by klompus on Aug 16, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tired as a hooker around the 1st of the month?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Aug 16, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slightly off-topic but related...

Does anyone know the cut-down schedule for the shortened pre-season? Just wondering when we need to start making cuts…

by BoiseSteeler on Aug 14, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

First cut date

is on August 30th and that cuts it down to 75 players then the final cut date is September 3rd which is when they pick the 53 man roster.. As far as Im aware :)

I don't go out there with any personal vendettas ... That's not going to help us win. ... It's going to be a hard hitting physical game. The best defense is going to win. James Harrison

by Mitchsouljah on Aug 15, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

keys to steelers win superbowl this year

ben hamberger stay healthy…

steeler defense don’t play scared to be penalize..

they follow these keys they win the superbowl easy..

they don’t follow the keys they will miss the playoffs by one game or loss again in the superbowl by a touchdown.

god bless, go steelers.

by the cross 2050 on Aug 16, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Question Michael:

Did you find the stadium (And by extent, the stadium atmosphere) to be very underwhelming? Odd topic, but whenever I went to Fed Ex it was extremely underwhelming.

"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 18, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, FedEx is very Underwhelming

What’s with all the temporary signage? You would think Snyder could spring for real signs and not have tarps all over the stadium…

"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  


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