Pregame Zone Blitz: 'Dream Team' Comes To Town
A small tidbit in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement was the mandate for at least one Preseason Pregame Zone Blitz. And what better game to run it than Preseason Week 2, at Heinz Field, against the purported Dream Team assembled by the Philadelphia Eagles?
Read up on Stephens' notes from the disaster in Washington, because the game may not matter to the veterans, it surely will for some of the future core members of this team.
When PZB started in 2009, we highlighted rookie WR Mike Wallace's camp battle with Shaun McDonald. Ziggy Hood was being noted for his work ethic at camp, but wasn't near significant playing time. Something called Justin Hartwig was the unquestioned center of the team.
My, how things change in two years.
Not PZB, though. The preseason is all about highlighting the future as best we can. Is Stevenson Sylvester the future replacement of James Farrior? How much do we love Keith Williams' potential at left guard? How many guys need to be drafted to give William Gay a run for his one-year contract as the nickel back?
In non-Steelers news, there is a situation brewing in which a few teams are libel to flip out, all thanks to our buddy, Commissioner Goodell, who has provided yet another reason why we shouldn't - can't - trust him.
All of that and more in the start of Year 3 for the PZB.
Opponent Web Sites/Forums
The Eagles will not play DT Antonio Dixon (back), DE Juqua Parker (calf), DT Mike Patterson (seizure), LB Greg Lloyd (ankle), WR Steve Smith (knee), OT Fenuki Tupou (knee) CB Jamar Wall (hamstring), DE Brandon Graham (knee), and S Marlin Jackson (sports hernia).
Paul Domowitch of the Philadelphia Daily News talks about Eagles defensive ends playing the 9-technique (fancy term meaning "way the hell off the tackle") this season. Their Des had five of the team's six sacks from this formation in a preseason win against Baltimore.
Eagles Hall of Fame WR Pete Pihos died Tuesday morning at the age of 87. JasonB of Bleeding Green Nation has a nice write-up about him.
Jody Battista of the New York Times says the Eagles free agent splurge was something the team had been preparing for since 2008.
Last Game
Steelers coach Mike Tomlin summarized it the best: "Quite frankly, we got outplayed in just about all areas - blocking, tackling, running, throwing, kicking. That team was better prepared than us. They showed it."
Yeah, teams don't typically win games when they lose battles in all of those areas. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, though, considering the Redskins kept their starters in the entire first half, and the Steelers yanked theirs not long into the game.
Winning and losing isn't the whole story in the preseason, anyway. Ignoring the fact the 16-7 loss in Andover was the Steelers first preseason opening loss under Tomlin, the performance of some of the younger players left some room for improvement.
OLB Jason Worilds looked slow and/or weak at times. G/C Doug Legursky held his own at guard, but was manhandled at center. ILB Sylvester didn't do as much as people hoped he would.
On the flip side, though, WR Antonio Brown looked fast, caught the ball and blocked aggressively down field. P Dan Sepulveda showed his knee is just fine (for now). Larry Foote is going to make cutting him an extremely difficult decision.
Heading into Thursday's tune-up against the Eagles, there's a sense a fire has been lit under a lot of guys.
Opponent Spotlight: QB Vince Young
These are a bit tougher to do in the preseason, considering no player who's really worth watching on the opposing team will play long enough to be memorable. However, two reasons stand out in Young's candidacy.
First, there was the comment he made during training camp that will require the Eagles to answer questions about it for the remainder of the year. "Dream Team." Philadelphia signed a slew of free agents, including big names like Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Ronnie Brown and Young (FYI, Young placed himself in that category. You didn't see Mike Miller proclaiming the Heat's dominance because of his arrival), while trading QB Kevin Kolb for CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Maybe this is the Obvious Statement of the Year, but the absolute last thing any player should do in a major sports market is associate his team with the word "dream" and any and all other nouns, rhyming or otherwise. Young - the back-up quarterback, mind you - uttered the phrase, and the rest will be a pain in Eagles coach Andy Reid's backside for the rest of the year.
Secondly, though, there's the James Harrison Five Grand Suplex he laid on Young last year, as the Steelers defense essentially ended Young's time in Tennessee. Again, it's a preseason game, and this isn't suggesting Young will be out for revenge or anything, but in the eyes of Steelers fans, he is the symbol of the most dominant Steelers defensive performance in recent memory.
Let's watch it again:
Steelers Spotlight: RB Jonathan Dwyer
If Dwyer wanted an opportunity to prove himself worthy of the fourth running back spot behind Rashard Mendenhall, Isaac Redman and Mewelde Moore, he'll have it tonight.
His ability to lock down a roster spot is one of the key roster decisions this preseason. Considering rookie Baron Batch's season-ending injury, it's Dwyer's job if he wants it.
The problem is, showing up at camp at 240 pounds and failing the run test doesn't show that he wanted it.
After dropping 20 pounds during camp, and eventually passing the test, Dwyer may not be completely out of Tomlin's doghouse, but he'll get his chance to full exit it tonight. He'll likely receive the bulk of the carries with both the first and second teams, giving him plenty of chances to show whether he belongs.
Undrafted rookie John Clay will also see time - despite a bizarre incident in which running backs coach Kirby Wilson told him to get off the field, causing Clay to return to the locker room (Wilson meant for him to go to the sideline). All eyes will be on Dwyer, however, and his ability to show the speed and power combination that left so many people excited about last year's 6th round pick.
We'd love to note a defensive back among the worthy of your attention, but with four cornerbacks out with various injuries, maybe even Young will have some success in the air against a hodge-podge of defenders. The Steelers will be without Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden, Crezdon Butler and Cortez Allen, so perhaps rookie Curtis Brown will be the guy to keep your eyes on the defensive side of the ball.
I See You
I see you, Cameron Heyward. PZB loves the guys who mix it up in training camp, and aren't afraid and won't back down. That makes us love any guy who has a sit-down conversation with the offensive linemen about the intensity in which he's playing.
Your scrums with Jonathan Scott and Ramon Foster were publicized and I'm sure it wasn't just for show. You're here to work hard, earn respect and eventually, turn into an outstanding player. While it's not likely you'll contribute much on the field this year, you're already showing the level of passion and effort we've come to expect from Steelers defenders, and that in itself is a beautiful thing to watch.
Just don't beat on the offensive linemen from your own team too much.
Quick-Hitters
Who Says Goodell Doesn't Care About His Players?: In an interview with GQ, Eagles QB Michael Vick said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell steered the former free agent to sign with the Eagles, instead of either Cincinnati or Buffalo.
PZB doesn't boast any legal expertise, but the head of the league steering a free agent to one team, and away from two other teams, sounds an awful lot like collusion. It's certainly a clear conflict of interest, to say nothing of the fact it's a kick square between the legs of the small market teams in the NFL. He dissuaded an experienced veteran quarterback away from two teams that would garner him less attention for the sake of the large market team, which, incidentally, was set at the position he played.
What's even more perplexing is the fact NFL.com, which is the official web site of the league, boasts it as if they're looking to credit Goodell with a wise decision.
Keep in mind, this is a league that doesn't allow teams to talk to players about coming over to their side while they're still under contract - the least followed rule in the league. Now, 32 teams have the undeniable concern that their commissioner chooses to take an aggressive stance with high-profile free agents, and has direct influence over where they decide to play.
Teams lose money and draft picks over tampering. What do you think the reactions of the front offices of Cincinnati and Buffalo are going to say about this? What Goodell did wasn't tampering, but why should they be forced to accept the message they're being force-fed; that their teams' success are not in the best interest of the league as a whole?
Congratulations, Mr. Goodell, you've done it again.
Eskin Stepping Down: Philadelphia radio legend Howard Eskin is leaving his drivetime talk show on WIP. There are very few local radio personalities known as well nationally as Eskin. In the time I lived in Philadelphia, I listened to his show frequently, and his acerbic wit, vastly superior <ahem> knowledge and general bluntness made his show my basic introduction to the people of Philadelphia - most of whom hate him, despite being very similar to him.
I genuinely really like him, as I feel his challenging opinions and caller-based format are exactly what a radio host should do.
Eskin will continue with Eagles pregame and game day coverage.
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Please don’t call us the dream team. It was a quote that was taken way out of context.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
actually
Most of the Eagles fans who visited have been relatively sane (for football fans) and have unanimously, afaik, rejected the Dream Team label. They have been very good hosts on their website when I visited as well.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
huh.
NONE of those fans were at the bar here in DC for the GB-Philly wildcard game. Most insulting, loud, and negative bunch ever—even started crap with my girlfriend, who is rail thin and 5’7", not to mention that she also was one of the only Packers fans on the premises.
Out of context? So your players weren’t referring to the fact that because they signed so many players, that they had a team only someone can dream of?
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Well
it was only 1 player. And a back-up. And he hadn’t taken played a single down for the team yet. But yes, I suppose that is what he was referring to. Nobody (except the media) repeated it so “out of context” might not have been the appropriate phrase, but “blown out of proportion” definitely fits the bill.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
blown out of proportion
exactly this is what I think you all are meaning to say
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Upper 90's
stick save is what that was! Haha
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Young's quote:
“When asked to describe the players that have been brought in and the group that is being assembled, Vince Young cracked a wide smile and simply responded: ‘Dream Team.’”
http://phillysportsdaily.com/eagles/2011/07/30/young-eagles-are-a-dream-team/
I’m not calling you the Dream Team, your back-up quarterback is.
This
it is very hard to take that out of context. Now if immynimmy wants to say that it was uttered by a moron and the rest of the team has distanced themselves from it, then that I will believe
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Aug 18, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s accurate. VY was an Eagle for what, 5 minutes before he uttered thus crap? Just stupid.
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 18, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And frankly why does anyone suddenly care what he has to say? I know I don’t.
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 18, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Read the note at the bottom
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/7/30/2306119/vince-young-dream-team-quote-philadelphia-eagles
It was taken waaaaay out of context, as the media likes to do and blew it out of proportion.
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
I don’t really see the difference. I’m not trying to be a dick, but he called them the Dream Team.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
like i said above, it wasn’t taken ‘out of context’. If he had said the players always fall asleep during meetings, so he calls them the “dream team” THEN it would be out of context. In this case, it was vastly blown out of proportion by the media.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Now that I can see
Its just one guy who said it and I don’t think anyone else has picked it up and run with it.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU FLASHING ME AN UPSIDE DOWN LONG HORN, BRO?!?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How can a team with VY be a "dream team"
Shouldn’t it be a bust team?
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If that dream is a nightmare it's easy
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alright, I'll play along...
“…Young did, in fact, come off as humble when introduced to the Philadelphia media and the Dream Team snippet was a commentary on what the Eagles have done in free agency, not an assertion that he, and the players listed above, were an all-star cast.”
I’m still confused…he’s taken out of context by comparing the Eagles free agency moves to the Dream Team, not because he feels the Eagles assembled an all-star cast of players?
What’s the difference?
When he was asked what he thought about the free agency moves by Philadelphia, he summed it up in two words: Dream Team. How is he being taken out of context? What was reported is exactly what he’s saying. If anything, the link you posted is the source taking his quote out of context.
To be charitable,
it sounds to me almost as if VY was trying to make a joke.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Well at least this "Dream Team"
can’t lose a championship to Dallas. Though wouldn’t it be ironic if they lost to Miami in the Super Bowl?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
9 technique
Looks like a great way for getting to the QB. Also looks like a great place to make holes for rushing plays. Send a fullback through that gap and things should get interesting.
"They eat fish and are majestic" - Great Sergios Ghost
A controlled passing game and delay runs can beat it. It’s a good idea for teams that have DEs that can get up the field quickly, the OLBs just have to be disciplined enough to take the inside gaps the ends vacate.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If only
the Steelers used fullbacks
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Aug 18, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodell did what was right
Vick had to go somewhere where stability was forefront, letting him go to wilson’s clowns or brown’s insane asylum was asking for a publicity nightmare and everyone involved with and or in needed Goodell to make sure that didn’t happen.
The normal make a living, the deranged make history.
by sactwnsteelr on Aug 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not his place to do that
It’s not whether the advice he gave him was good or not, the commissioner of the league cannot favor one team over another. Vick had the ability to change the fortunes of two franchises (can’t believe I’m writing this) that really needed some help, and the commissioner basically told him to go somewhere else.
He’s perfectly ok with every other outcast going to Cincinnati, why did he interfere with this one? Because Vick would make more money for the NFL overall in Philadelphia than Cincinnati. He and most others will argue it’s a means to an end, and that may be true, but to sacrifice the integrity of the league as well as make two franchises look like they are essentially less on Goodell’s priority list is really in poor taste.
I feel it’s a major conflict of interest, and if I was in the front office of either Cincinnati (God forbid) or Buffalo, I’d be fuming mad right now. That article makes them look like complete morons.
Insert your own Bengals franchise joke here.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Then whose place is it
He’s the commissioner of the National Football League which means (to me) that his sole purpose is to protect the brand and he does that how he see’s fit. Mind you his employers are those 32 team owners and I’m sure that this is not really news to them, they would have to understand that this was an unique situation with the massive public outrage against vick and not just the usual malise that people in general seem to give any other “offender”.
The normal make a living, the deranged make history.
by sactwnsteelr on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
As it says below, it’s his agent’s job, or his friends, or any close personal advisor. If you’re saying it’s appropriate for the head of the NFL to be any one of those things, I think you’re wrong.
Goodell’s job was to advise Vick and his people what punishment would be in order for any derivation from a decent life. His job would be to follow up with Vick, and hold him accountable to any wrong-doing.
For the life of me, I can’t see how Goodell could be reasonably counted on to do those things if he set him up with a particular team.
If he wants him to play in Philadelphia that badly, why should we believe Goodell wouldn’t sweep something under the rug if negative publicity about him came out? How can we trust him to act in the best interest of the league when he just bent over two of its franchises for the sake of another one?
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
If you dont think that he wouldn’t/hasn’t swept something under the rug about himself I think we kid ourselves. This is billions of dollars as you well know and have eloquently wrote about previously, and as I said his bosses are the owners and its there job to police him and if three years ago they did nothing(and they knew no way you’re not convincing me of that, too many tongues) then it just proves too me that the league is image and dollars and thats it as per usual and lets be really honest three years ago the easiest thing would have to been to tell Vick thank you but no thank you because as below the league owed him nothing.
The normal make a living, the deranged make history.
by sactwnsteelr on Aug 18, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
SPYGATE DAMMIT!!!!
Swept that shit under the rug. Yes, this is very incriminating. It must be destroyed, make it so.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 18, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I never noticed this before, but how many Maryland-based Steelers fans do we have on here anyway?
And yes, most will call it a slap on the wrist, but he doled out pretty hefty fines and docked them a first round draft pick. Goodell won’t be punished for interfering with a free market at the expense of two of the franchises he represents.
And I don’t want to hear anything from anyone about how Philadelphia was the only place at which he could succeed. There was no inherent danger in playing for any one team more than another.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite a few of us from our sigs...
He HAD to make the fines heavy, but the fact that the evidence was destroyed is so Nazi Germany I can’t stand it.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 18, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yes but he should still avoid doing it as much as possible
Bias is usually not good for any sport/league’s popularity. Even if you’re fine with (which personally I’m not) it is still a bad PR mistake if nothing else.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in the league, I’m saying it’s not the commissioner’s place to arrange with whom a player signs a contract. Whether everyone knew about his dog-fighting is beside the point.
Cincinnati knew the risk, Buffalo knew the risk, they were willing to take that on. They were willing to pay him, and they offered legitimate opportunities to compete for a starting job. More importantly, they made offers Vick was willing to accept. Sounds an awful lot like how free agency works, according to the CBA.
Goodell just decides he’s allowed to do his own thing, and collude with one owner, essentially setting that franchise above the others. His job is to ensure the stability and integrity of the league; in what way does his micromanagement at the transactional level of those he represents reflect integrity? Since when is collusion an acceptable business practice? His actions in this matter directly undermine the competitive balance of the league, and that is, after all, what makes the NFL by far and away the most popular sport in this country.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said you did,
and I’m also sure Mike and Ralph would have loved the media onslaught it would have brought them as it did in Philly, but what I was trying to say and maybe not so well is that Goodell didn’t act alone, more people knew, and if he colluded with owner the rest of his 31 bosses, i.e. Jerry, won’t let him be there for long and this issue (Vick being back in the league) was always more about money and image then competitive balance or who Vick actually plays for now.
The normal make a living, the deranged make history.
by sactwnsteelr on Aug 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So....
Goodell was in the book depository…Vick was on the grassy knoll…was Ralph Wilson really LBJ?
(sorry, had to)
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
The normal make a living, the deranged make history.
by sactwnsteelr on Aug 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 18, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dip that swine Goodell in honey and bury him up to his neck in an ant hill!!!
No I wouldn’t say that punishment is just for anyone else, but this is Goodell we’re talking about.
Worilds
I tend to think that Worilds’ struggles are being a bit overblown. What is game tape shows me is a natural pass rusher (no one doubts that) who’s bulked up against the run, but is still thinking too much to be as effective as his athleticism says he should.
He’s a speed 4-3 end used to doing everything from a 3-point stance being converted to a 3-4 OLB (in a two-gap system) trying to learn how to play from a 2-point stance (as well as learn to cover for almost the first time – which he did a good job of for his first real NFL type start). The game is still a little fast for him, but it’s obvious – to me at least – he’s not the one trick speed rusher he was last year. I saw some real improvement in his read and react skills and zone coverage abilities.
People will talk about him against the run, but mostly what they mean is he lost gap control on an early play that allowed Hightower to gash the Steelers on the sideline. It’s one play, of which Worilds wasn’t wholly responsible. More troubling for me was seeing Aaron Smith get washed out on two consecutive running plays on that series. I really wonder what kind of season he’s going to have.
He hasn’t had OTA’s to help him hone his craft this offseason and considering Harrison himself said it takes two years to really learn LeBeau’s defense from the OLB’s perspective, I tend to think Worilds has acquitted himself nicely.
by BluegrassSteeler on Aug 18, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Aaron Smith
I noticed, when I rewatched the game, that he didn’t seem sharp. I suspect missing so much time last season means it will be a few games before he is 100%.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 18, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though I hate your team, I am rooting for them tonight. Would love to see Woodley or anyone else knock Vick back to Virginia.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
probably wont happen
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Do you not like Vick as a person or as a football player?
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Maybe he just hates VT
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate him as a person of course for what he did (can’t fault me for that). Being an ACC guy, I do not like Virginia Tech whatsoever and never have, especially more after the ways they acted in Basketball this year towards my school.
And overall, just don’t like your team or the fans.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
but your school deserves it
lol
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
get outta here with that NC State junk
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t be upset John, Tann is just jealous that his precious wolfpack has been an irrelavent basketball program for the last 10 years.
Remember when Julius Hodge punched Steve Blake in the back of the head because Blake was schooling him and the rest of those pansies all game long?
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
lol
We have been irrelevant. But not jealous. Hopefully good times area ahead either way, Maryland still deserves whatever they get.
Who the heck has a mascot of a turtle anyways. Not intimidating at all…. :P
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Back off the Terps!
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 18, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hodge
Wasn’t he the last N.C. State player of any ability?
(Dookie here, wisely just not saying anything about this)
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The power of Grevis Vasquez compells me to.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
can't stand that brat lol
hope he fails in the NBA lol jk not really though
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He has really failed so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kIBgQRnklE
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
great
i just threw up all over my keyboard, lucky shot, he’ll be out of the league in 3 years ;)
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it was when he dropepd 30+ on you guys then hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer in the 2nd half which was not needed at all because we were winning, but he just wanted to rub it in your fans face.
If you can spare 4 minutes and 11 seconds, just sit back and admire what a real bball player is like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13p2ij2XLnE
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
i'll pass
either way, if he was on duke’s team and did that to ya’ll you would hate him
So its just one of those things.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Real hate is an art form
“Why you got a car man?”
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Brat?
hater
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
I can own my hate lol.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just a gif
Here’s a website http://benderconverter.com/ that’ll do it for you. Then just put it on the web somwhere you can link to it. Try it with a youtube movie.
If you got some funky format that’s not supported or you want it longer then search for a standalone converter that converts from movie to gif animations.
We had JJ HIckson for a season
lol
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ Hickson
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Aug 18, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So, you hate them, and they stank?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically. Blacksburg is full of toothless rednecks and queers.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Hm
Judging solely from your small-minded comments, I’m going to deduce that you aren’t very worldly. Since you don’t seem very worldly, you must not be well-traveled. Therefore, you have probably never been to either of those places.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Philly is the place famous for chicken cheese steaks right?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they are known for their chowder I believe.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Everyone is so happy too
They love everything
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you must not be well-traveled.
Been to Blacksburg 4 times and been to Philly 20+ times.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Ok...
and everyone was toothless? And “queer”?
Grow up a little bit. You know when you’ve won an argument? When the other person stops arguing the subject and starts to attack the person (or city in this case). It’s just weak. And a little sad.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Malor
Malor is our resident Raven’s troll. We have become accustomed to him. We also think he is secretly a Steelers fan who is afraid to come out of the closet.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a Giants fan
exactly like that. Really immature, makes broad generalizations, has more comments on our site than his own (BBV), is a total closet Eagles fan, …. so I fully understand.
I’m just shocked this guy claims to have a college education. I mean, really? Someone who alternates their LeTtErS LiKe ThIs? College? really??? I mean, college isn’t THAT difficult to pass, but hopefully the system would have naturally filtered out this scrub.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
BBI is an Eagles fan who’s just in denial for a little while longer.
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 18, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Big Blue Intervention?
He’s kind of a twat, isn’t he?
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
I don’t understand some of his “facts”. Or why he spends more time on BGN than BBV. Strange. I’m glad to see you guys have one like that over here. Haha…
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 18, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He spends an inordinate amount of time on
Mocking The Draft as well…Pretending he’s this hotshot draft guru…
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
BBI
But you’re a twat too. ;)
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
I see what you did right there
and right there was funny, I don’t care who you are.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thnx
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
Ha
great call out. Exactly who I was referring to.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
He thinks he's king of the mock drafts
I see him on MTD all the time.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
Nah he's harmless
Quite a funny guy on most days actually. Except for the week after the ravens-steeler games. For some reason he’s allways in a foul mood then and tends to swear a lot.
The results of the games leave him a bit surly huh?
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So because I have some capitalized letters in my name, that makes me an idiot. Hmmmm lets see.
- I graduated the University of Maryland with a 3.8 GPA involving 172 credits and a double degree in Political Science and Criminal Justice (MD is the best Crim school in the nation btw) and was a part of the Student Government at Maryland.
- I scored a 168 on my LSAT test and have been accepted to both Georgetown AND University of Virginia law school and will start in 2012 as I am currently working for a law firm in Baltimore as a paralegal.
Anything else?
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Working in Baltimore automatically makes you a loser
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.
-Thomas Szasz
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Aug 18, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cornell is for people with chodes.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Um...
Am I missing something here? Did the definition of the word chode change when I wasn’t looking?
In my lexicon, chode = taint.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
chode=fatter than it is wide
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
oops
fatter than it is long
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
So....
People with chodes are fatter than they are tall?
Must be a baltimoron thing…
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
by Steel Spike on Aug 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It involves your meat stick…
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I told you...
The only way I’d let you fellate me is if you never talked about it on here…
You’re fired.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU
ROFLMAO!!!
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 20, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Because you don’t know how to structure a debate makes you an idiot. Also, because you brag about your accomplishments on the internet.
Frankly, I don’t believe you. Watch this: I got my doctorate at Harvard, I beat up Chuck Liddell, and I own a 4 million dollar yacht. This game is fun!
The reason I don’t believe you is because a) If you were smart AND a jack-ass, you’d be witty. And you are not witty. Not even almost. and b) If you were a potential law student, you would actually use reason in your arguments. If you tried to prosecute me in a court of law, I’d gladly save a few bucks and represent myself.
Two suggestions: Read a book. Don’t act like a 15 year old girl. ThAnKs!
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Whatever makes you happy bud. Your opinion on myself or my education doesn’t mean anything to me.
Glad you can see the truth through a keyboard and monitor. I am really just a 6 year community college graduate working at Denny’s, because god forbid anyone on a football blog accomplishes some great things in their early lives.
Mom is calling me for my bath, gotta run.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
stop being witty
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Aug 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You should see the town Yanda's from, Malor
I reported on him when he was in Juco…now THERE’S a fine piece of Americana right there…ye gads.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I can only imagine. He is a farm boy full and through.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Great player
Nice guy, very easy to interview, but if you don’t know what the word “hunyuck” means, just look at Marshal Yanda.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, Yanda is one of my favorites. The guy spent his entire off season working back on his family’s farm in Iowa then when he got his big contract, he decided to drive a U-Haul from Iowa to Baltimore instead of flying. He is as down to earth as it gets.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
He drove because they don’t have airports in the state of Iowa
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Whenever PSU played VT in basketball their fans seemed okay to me
Given, we aren’t really a school that’s going to warrant a lot of hate for our BBall program
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 18, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You all are going DOWN tonight! This will be an epic display of pure, R.E.M. inducing, dream team power baby!
/preseason sarcasm
Seriously, though… who is the one player you are most excited to watch from your team?
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
A. Brown
if he is progressing like it seems he is the guy is going to contribute a lot this year, in my opinion
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm excited to see
our brown guy play too…. Ronnie Brown, that is.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
There is a good article posted early today about who to watch
For me, it is Tony Hills. He is starting at RG, the only position on the whole team that has an open competition for the starter.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
True
I actually had read it already. I was just going for the one player you want to see more than anyone else. For me, it’s Casey Matthews at MLB. Huge question mark for us fans (because our opinion weighs so heavily….)
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Yep
Mike Tomlin always comes to us before making any cuts.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If that was true
a certain WR would still be on the team right now, at least until after tonight.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno about that, Team Sweed had gotten rather small this preseason. I had to start giving out free soda and beer at meetings to entice people to show up.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't know there was beer...
I heard it was just punch and pie…would have gone for beer
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
haters need not apply
haha
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Where’s my invite to Octoberfest?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
oooh, where?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I was all for Sweed!
Alls I was saying is Sweed is the one keeping himself off the team. I wanted to get a Sweed jersey in the worst way after we drafted him, and didn’t think there was a chance he would be off the team by now.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I never got my beer
but I was a quiet Team Sweed member till the end.
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)
"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 18, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear I sent out emails letting people know when the events were.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe my internet dropped out when I hit send
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hills and all of the CB's except Gay
McFadden and Taylor are out so we should see the rookies play.
We could do with a guy stepping up this season.
I want to see our rookie Curtis Brown play at CB
Gawd I’d love for him to do great. We really need someone to beat out Gay for the nickel.
+1
“R.E.M.-inducing dream team power”
That’s an awesome line
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know if the game is going to be televised anywhere?
outside of Pitt
Things can always be worse....
I heard it will be
Forgot to check though
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
For your area
Try TVguide.com near the top and towards the left click on “What’s on TV” then “TV listings”
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
according to that I get the other game
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They're all on NFL.com
…if you don’t get it in your area. It kinda sucks watching it via the internet, but whaddya do?
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i figured it’d be online somewhere, only problem is I can’t DVR and rewatch
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not tonight, anyway. Do you get NFL Network? I’m so excited, my cable provider just got it Aug. 1, and I didn’t even know about it.
Came home from a trip, and was flipping through the channels, and there it was…it was glorious.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
after listening to micheal irvin a couple of times
it will lose its luster
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really need to be That Guy, Tann?? You gotta ruin my buzz??
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty factual remark though, haha
Warren Sapp won’t help either
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit that's true
fricken Michael Irvin
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll enjoy
Rich Eisen’s reports
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Michael Irving does love him some
Michael Irving – and you better let him talk, or he will get louder and talk over you till you do.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 18, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
my bad Neal Its just that its so bad that you have to be prepared otherwise damage may be done to your logical senses
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I do. All they reshowing the game a day late again?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, they are. Haven’t checked on when yet
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in Texas
and I’m getting it here. Pretty sure it’s national.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
from what i heard its a national game
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, same station in central PA
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 18, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We have two very shitty linemen in tonight please dont hurt vick
well technically one (queen dunalp) but a unproven rooke as well
"if you’re going to act like bitches, then I will treat you like bitches". - AR
Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
Show him the same mercy he showed his dogs!
He is still trying to justify/minimize his actions!
"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)
I thought we were over that, at least for a football discussion
"if you’re going to act like bitches, then I will treat you like bitches". - AR
Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
where did you see that
at every turn he speaks out agains what he did
sounds like blind hate to me
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not this again
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not getting into it
just was interested in Andy34 providing some proof to his accusations
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
During his recent interview in GQ...
they report:
during the interview, when he took the position that only the media cares about his history of dogfighting, gambling, and . . .
"They are writing as if everyone feels that way and has the same opinions they do," Vick said. "But when I go out in public, it’s all positive, so that’s obviously not true."
"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)
Sounds more like an observation
but I can kind kind of see how you think he minimizing it.
Honestly I do think the majority of people have moved on. Hopefully people that haven’t moved on, learn forgiveness. Hating Micheal Vick isn’t going to do any good.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Even my dog loves him
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I just re-read the statment
And Vick is right. Everyone doesn’t hold the same venom and disdain for Mike Vick.
I know I don’t.
So I take it back, I don’t see how he minimizing his past actions. Its clear he is talking about the writers opinions and how everyone doesn’t hold the same opinion.
Look at the sentence:
“They (the writers) are writing as if everyone (this is the key word) feels that way and has the same opinions (this is the subject) they do.”
So its clear we are focusing on the opinions of the writers, not Vick’s own actions.
“But when I go out in public, it’s all positive, so that’s obviously not true.”
Since his previously stated sentence indicated that EVERYONE didn’t feel the same way as the writers, it is obviously not true because if EVERYONE felt the same way he wouldn’t get so much love in public.
I think you read a bit too much into what he was saying.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You could well be right, but...
I have two rescues that think I am the alpha male (hoo boy, good thing they don’t really know!) and they are members of our family. There are not many crimes worse than abusing another of God’s creatures that depends upon you to take care of them. That said, I am very open to redemption and MV has made most of the right moves PR-wise. However, I am certain that he knows a LOT of playa’s in that dog-fighting game. I do not remember too mnay people outside his immediate circle/operation that went to jail. Seems to me that if he really wanted to end the dog-fighting, a lot more folks would have been arrested, etc. IMHO
"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)
“Seems to me that if he really wanted to end the dog-fighting, a lot more folks would have been arrested”
Snitches get stitches.
No
You don’t bring all your boys down with you. What kind of man are you?
There are not many crimes worse than abusing another of God’s creatures that depends upon you to take care of them.
Yes, there are. Many crimes worse. Not minimizing what he did, but honestly… if every criminal who went to jail came out and acted like Vick, this world would be a damn good place. There are now shows on TV dedicated to finding dog-fighting rings. He has shed so much light on this deplorable culture that he has easily surpassed the amount of evil he did with his good actions.
People say he’s mandated by the courts to speak out, but most of the times he speaks to schools, jails, etc. he is doing it on his own time. I don’t have a link to this, but I do recall reading where the President of the Humane Society said Vick has never, not once turned down an opportunity to speak about his actions whether is a large auditorium in Philly or a middle school in Media. That’s all on him.
Also, you can clearly see his new found work ethic and discipline in his play. I mean, pre-jail and post-jail Vick is night and day. Because the people around him value his presence and leadership so highly, I’ll have to agree that he really is a changed man… and it took me a while to accept that.
From this article: http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/dogfighting/qa/vick_faq.html
Vick pays his own expenses when he speaks at anti-dogfighting forums.
Since 2007, we’ve upgraded more than 40 laws (state and federal) on animal fighting.
I could go on with articles and quotes that you have probably ignored.
I’d love to know why you think otherwise that doesn’t predate 2007. If you can come up with something that doesn’t make you sound like a hate monger, I will entertain the subject. Otherwise, I won’t.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
maybe vick should pull a nevin shapiro
and try to bring down the whole worldwide dog & cock fighting, problem with that is that the worst international drug gangs are deeply involved with dog & cock fighting.
vick would not get stitches, he would be tits up faster than charlie sheen goes thru an eight ball.
Ha
Oh Charlie Sheen.
I don’t agree with what Nevin Shapiro is doing. He is a sick, spiteful, soulless person who wants someone to share in his misery. That is terrible and I think he should have kept his fat mouth shut.
That being said, there was a team of prosecutors whose job it is to gather as much info as Vick had and punish the guilty parties. There’s nothing he knows that the government doesn’t, I’d believe.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
nevin shapiro doesn't care
that is the problem, you can’t scare a guy that wants to die. he is like a terrorist who you threaten “I’ll kill you muthafucka” terrorist “thank you very much.”
the idiot players at the U who were f*cking prostitutes on his luxury yacht that cost $2,000 every trip on the water should have realized that all this sh*t doesn’t come for free. you gotta know that if you wanna use this guy for services then someday, someone is going to come collecting. problem is when he needed help all these guys forgot his name. f*ck that, you deserve what you get if that’s the way you want it. when you lay down with dogs you get fleas, that’s life. all these miami players who had to have the $100 steaks and prostitutes will now leave miami holding the bag. the U has no one to thank but rolle, vilma and wilfork for screwing them royally.
no doubt this shapiro is a child but when you play with fire you get burned. even NFL players, like wilfork, will have to chip in to help repay investors who got burned by this guy.
what goes around comes around.
even NFL players, like wilfork, will have to chip in to help repay investors who got burned by this guy.
I don’t think they can be held responsible for what Shapiro did with his money. The sad thing is the people who will be most affected by it are the ones who had nothing to do with it (aside from the investors). I’m talking about the current players. The athletic staff HAD to know, but the kids coming to Miami to play ball… they get f*cked. Royally. For no reason.
I don’t expect these 18-19 year old kids to have the wisdom to look ahead like that. Here, they just see a guy who is throwing his money at them. They think, in return, he gets to hang out with the Miami ballers. Like an old guy who hangs out with college kids to feel cool and young. These players didn’t know he was a criminal. I don’t hold them completely unaccountable, but I do see them as a victim of the system.
I just hope Shapiro stays in jail for a long long time. Such a dirtbag.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
shapiro was a ponzi schemer so the trustee will definitely go after larger amounts.
in a ponzi scheme the trustee looks back and if he thinks someone got part of this stolen $ then they get sued, it doesn’t matter if they knew or not. the trustee can go back six years or more from the transactions. look at how much the madoff trustee has gotten back, one guy died and his wife settled for $7b even though he had no knowledge. these trustees aren’t going after $1,000. it has to be substantial (above $25k) like wilfork’s $50k & 2 escalades otherwise not worth the legal fees.
these NFL players like Wilfork who got 2 cadillac escalades will almost certainly settle with the trustee. it’s a no-win situation for them, they don’t want the IRS on their back too so they pay up.
but these guys who broke the rules, including huge NFL names are the ones who screwed miami, not shapiro. sure you can say they couldn’t resist the $100 steaks and prostitutes but this is a weird situation b/c no booster has really snitched like this. but then again no booster has ever been involved in a $1b ponzi scheme. now all the dirty laundry comes out, no doubt these 18-19 year olds don’t give a f*ck about the rules or their schools otherwise they would have passed. their actions 5 years ago are going to bring the U football & basketball to its knees. but that’s life, it is not fair and shapiro will change the face of college football forever.
this is life, incoming recruits should flee the U for another school while the getting is good. otherwise, they will get screwed for the sins of others.
dog fighting is part of gang/drug culture
so vick has probably done a lot to bring awareness but if you want to stop dog fighting you have to attack drugs and gangs too. they are all attached at the hip, to a gangster slinging a kilo of coke a week, dog fighting is like a parking ticket, nothing to worry about.
my question is a dog more valuable than a steer or a chicken? in china they eat dog and it is considered a delicacy. in philippines they have slasher cockfighting with 5 inch surgical knives attached to their feet.
i guess we consider it more inhumane to teach a dog to kill another dog or a cock to slash for the neck. but then we turn around and keep chickens living in their own feces so cramped up that they can’t move so they get fat. then we wonder why we get salmonella or e-coli?
i don’t know if dogfighting is more inhumane than the way big corporations raise and slaughter animals. at least in dog fighting they go out fighting for their life like happens in nature.
i am not for dogfighting but whether in nature or in capture most animals are not treated all that well, except for our pets.
Good stuff
About goodell…
The issue is not about the player or the team or anything else… It’s simply that what he did was wrong.
Plus I’m willing to bet Cincy or Buffalo would have paid more for Vick’s services, and Goodell driving him to Philly if anything was probably more of a continued punishment than anything else. Now it looks like he was making a smart move, but it’s not his move to make. And that’s the issue.
I’m looking forward to watching the CBs play hopefully a little better against better competition and also seeing the results of our RB squadron.
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No one in the national media seems to be grasping the concept of conflict of interest. He can’t represent 32 owners in the direction of the league if he’s openly championing one of them over others.
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Given, if Vick had gone to Cincy he would've just been back in Jail in a few days, so it's probably good for him that he didn't go there
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
still
not Goodells problem
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
if goodell did anything other than recommend
it would come out, vick would be a hero amongst NFL players (like deebo).
Maybe it was a bit more sinister
maybe he was trying to hide Vick on a team where he wouldn’t play (3rd string QB) so the whole thing would go away, chances are he would have started on either of the other two teams – little did he know…
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Aug 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
vick was broke
he had to go for the most money, everything else being equal.
Good on Larry Foote...
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Vick and Godell trying to back out of what Vick said now
“I felt it was necessary to put out a statement today clarifying the article in GQ Magazine. I did speak with many people, but the decision to sign in Philadelphia was based on my discussions with my agent, my family and with Coach Reid. And after those discussions, it became clear to me that this was the place I wanted to play and resume my NFL career. The Commissioner never told me to sign or not sign with particular teams. Again, I want to make it perfectly clear that this was a decision I made and, as I have said numerous times before, I’m very happy with the way it has worked out for me and my family.”
The NFL also issued a statement on the matter.
"[Vick’s] decision on where to play to put himself in the best position to succeed was entirely his own. Commissioner Goodell obviously met & spoke to Michael and his reps as part of his decision on whether to reinstate him and on what terms. But the commissioner would never steer players to or away from particular teams and did not do so in this case."
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*coughBULLSHIT!cough*
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“…To clarify the GQ article where I said I became convinced signing with Philadelphia was the right thing to do after I spoke with Commissioner Goodell, despite my initial reaction that either Cincinnati or Buffalo would be my best options…that wasn’t what I meant. What I meant was…Commissioner Goodell had nothing to do with the decision and I determined on my own playing in Philadelphia was my best option. I’m not even sure how Commissioner Goodell’s name came into it…I think I meant “Andy Reid.”
by Neal Coolong on Aug 18, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it was dungy that told vick to go to philly
but was that at goodell’s puppet hands pulling the strings?
bottom line is that goodell & dungy were probably recommending what they thought was best for the NFL & for Vick. Remember, dog lovers & peta were all over this, cincy might not have been able to take the PR hit as they are already the only real destination for ex-cons. it’s a tough call b/c Vick needed an Andy Reid to get him back without shortcuts.
but if goodell told vick, “if i were you i would go to philly b/c andy will straighten you out but in the end it is your decision” then there is nothing wrong with that. if goodell said to vick “go to philly or i will double your suspension” then obviously that is totally wrong and that is showing preference.
also
smaller markets are less forgiving and are often harder to deal with. in a larger market you can “hide” better. in larger markets things blow over quickly.
i wonder if a-rod would be welcomed to stay in a city like pgh if he admitted to steroids? i don’t know. i also wonder if ben were a QB in NY and the GA incident happened would it be the same? would NYers really care? no way to know for sure.
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