Let's Slow down the Dream team and SB talk
Philadelphia came into town a self-anointed Dream Team -- and walked into a black and gold nightmare that lasted for over 3 quarters.
So, naturally the Steelers faithful is feeling good about things. Hell, even the normally jaded news reporters got into the act.
Ummm... Not So Fast...
It's amazing to me that exactly one week after everyone was calmly declaring: "Hey, pre-season doesn't count" so many people are ready to book their tickets to Indianapolis in February after one pretty good pre-season game.
And I'm not just talking the fans. From Ed "The Dean of Pittsburgh Sports Writers" Bouchette:
"The egg the Steelers laid against the Washington Redskins six days earlier hatched into a thing of beauty Thursday night against the Philadelphia Eagles at Heinz Field .. Ben Roethlisberger looked to be in midseason, midcareer form... the Steelers intercepted four Philadelphia passes -- one more than they had in any one game last season. "
Bob Smizik got in the act...
"Wow, what a performance by the Steelers last night. If this was a legitimate indicator, they are primed and ready to go... The Steelers took that first-half lead with an offense that looked like it had been locked in to daily practices during the off-season instead of being locked out with no organized practices...Ben Roethlisberger was excellent -- Byron Leftwich was almost as good..In light of this scintillating performance, what better time to conduct a survey on the Steelers season, which includes four games against members of the notoriously weak NFC West -- to say nothing of four games against the notoriously weak bottom feeders of the AFC North....
Please... make it stop!
Let's all take a deep breath and say again: "Pre-Season doesn't matter."
Then let's look at the reality of the game yesterday, starting with Ben Roethlisberger's "mid-season, mid-career" form. Ben looked OK, not great. He under-threw a couple of timing routes, and had happy feet when standing in the pocket for too long. The first touchdown was after a very fortuitous face-mask call. (Mind you, I am not saying that it shouldn't have been called. But it would have been a punt if not for the facemask -- hardly an offense clicking on all cylinders.)
The first touchdown was also aided by an extremely bonehead play by Assante Samuel. I know, bad plays are part of the game, but I would have felt a little better about the mistake by Samuels if Antonio Brown had at least faked an inside route. Then I could say: "Well, good route for Brown..." But the reality is that Samuel assumed an inside route and played it all the way.
I'm not suggesting we take the six off of the board, I am only saying that it's hard to make an offensive plan that counts on the defense being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And I don't know about anyone else, but as I watched Byron Leftwich's methodic wind up and throw I started thinking that maybe it's time Charlie got a look in Preseason -- because Lefty as a starter scares me. Here's hoping the new Mrs. Ben Roethlisberger has hidden the keys to his motorcycle, because folks if Ben goes down and Lefty steps in, we're in a heap of trouble. You think the O-line has trouble holding their blocks while Ben scrambles around? Ha! That's nothing compared to how long it takes Lefty to lock, load, and fire.
As for the defense... it looked good containing Michael Vick. But Michael Vick has always been somewhat streaky. He is a very good talent, and when he plays to his talent's strengths, he is a tough QB. But he's never been a pocket or a precision passer. That's what Philadelphia wants him to be, and it looked to me that he was thinking too much out there.
I am worried about Harrison's back. I really am. As someone who has had some low back trouble, I can assure everyone that there is no such thing as a minor back surgery. Worilds has done nothing to make me think he is ready to spell Harrison and Woodly, let alone step in to replace them for a game. It also didn't seem to me that Harrison had his normal explosiveness, and low grinding drive through the blockers that I come to expect.
But... as I said before... it is just preseason. I would hope that James is taking the comeback in stages, and not going balls out for a meaningless game. Just as I would hope that Ben will get his timing down as the preseason progresses.
Also, after Troy telling us he was still not 100% it was mighty nice to see him flying around out there like a hairy guided missile. That looked a lot more like the Troy we've come to expect than the pale doppelganger that wore 43 in the Super Bowl.
Don't get me wrong. There was a lot of things to like about the first half of yesterday's game. But it didn't mean anything more than the first week's.
It's only preseaon.
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The dream team was so busy putting together “the best secondary ever” that they forgot to sign LBs. Why throw when you can run all over them?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
True that
Funny the difference in approaches, don’t you think? Every year the analysts, media — and even many fans — moan about the lack of quality cover corners in the Steelers defense. Every year, the same people talk about the incredible depth at linebacking.
And, just about every year, the defense finishes in the top five in the league.
It’s no coincidence, huh?
Not everyone has/needs a good running game
See last season’s Super Bowl champs.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Aug 19, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Irrelevant
Having a good running game will help you beat the Eagles. That was my point.
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by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Or short quick passes to TEs.
Anything in the middle of the field. Their safeties are pretty weak, too.
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Didnt the Packers beat them in the playoffs too?
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Aug 21, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This was a dream team anointed by VY
Who should probably be taking his seat on the bust team
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
Normally I would correct the fact that you misspelled his name
Bob Smizak
But for this old cermudgen, I’m not
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Thank you for this.
Just as very little stock should have been given to the Skins game very little stock should be given to this one.
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I did matter more though
The first team offense and defense was out there longer, so the level of competition was higher. Also, rookies had gotten their first experience in and knew what to expect more so than in the first game. Both of these things make a difference.
That said though, I agree with your sentiment. Not with some of your specific evaluations (Leftwich had a 130 passer rating against the first team Eagles defense, and actually moved some too…), but the general point is well taken. It was just preseason, and nobody will remember what happened in August against the Eagles when we play December games.
But why put a damper on the good mood? The lockout was actually resolved in enough time that no games were missed, and the Steelers looked extremely good in their first home game after a stinker in Washington. As a Steelers fan, don’t you think it’s natural to feel excited about the game even if it does indeed not mean anything?
We are Steeler Nation
The only thing it takes for us to get excited about Steelers football is seeing the calender change to August…
Tho I am not trying to be a wet blanket… just trying to keep perspective…
by MarkJoel66 on Aug 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, I get what you're saying
But you can’t tell me you weren’t at least a little happy to see the Stillers kick the ‘dream team’s asses :)
Rec'd
I was thinking the same. I really enjoyed watching the game and seeing them beat up on Philly, but you don’t get to pick and chose preseason games that matter.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
Not all preseason games are created equal
Our starters were in for far longer this time.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Aug 19, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
philly sucked
but they mayl trade asante for a big LB if someone gets desperate. philly’s D was way too small last year on the Line and at LB, they should have mixed it up a little instead of bringing in all these linemen.
pats & steelers are 2 best teams in the AFC right now but that’s why the games are played. if pats D is really improved (and from what i saw the pass pressure is now there) they are going to be very dangerous not only in the regular season but deep into the playoffs.
"they are going to be very dangerous not only in the regular season but deep into the playoffs"
People say that about the Patriots every year, yet every year they do nothing in the playoffs.
last 2 years they did nothing
you think this is going to go on forever? pats have 4 SB appearances in last 10 years all with same QB. i am just saying they are not going to lose in the first round every year.
generally life doesn't work that way
but i hope you are right:)
human nature is to put too much emphasis on recent events
that’s why they always warn you in investments, past performance is no guarantee of future results. if you go by the last two years alone, you will infer and predict that pats will never sniff a SB with brady around. that is entirely possible but putting too much emphasis on last year or two is no way to win bets.
i hope you are right but i would bet good $ that brady wins another SB before he retires. i would not be too confident about him winning more than 1 but if he ends up with 5 rings that is definitely not a good thing. he would then have the most SB appearances and most wins. no thanks!
Brady is a concern
Listen, the only reason Belichik is a “genius” is because of Tom Brady — the guy he wouldn’t have even started if Bledsoe hadn’t gone down.
Brady can win a ballgame for you. Not sure that he can win a SB all by himself though, and the Jets showed the blueprint on how to disrupt the mighty Patriots O.
I never count Brady out… but I don’t think the road to the Super Bowl goes through Foxboro, either.
Sure, if he weren't washed up.
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Because Carson Palmer, or TO, or the chronic crappiness that inflicts the Bengals organisation was definitely not the problem in Cincy? Child please.
Even a washed up Ocho will force Revis to cover him, leaving Cromartie on Welker.
A healthy Hernandez provides an option against their 8 man zone, and Gronkowski will be Gronkowski. And they should be able to run it when they are dared to, so that option is gone for the Jets.
Throw in the fact that their best pass rusher is somewhere else now (and he was the only reason a 3 man rush worked that day), they’re hoping two rookies play like 10 year vets, and radical game plans rarely work twice in a row, and they’re done. Unless Sanchez turns out to be a competent QB, something that looks impossible.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
No-one thought the Seahawks would beat the Saints either.
Especially if you’d said the Saints score 36 points.
Anything can happen in a sudden death game.
But the Jets went all-in last year, didn’t win anything, and went backwards because they were too caught up in spending half the cap on two CBs.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
This didn't bother me a bit... hope they have the same outcome this year.
But the Jets went all-in last year, didn’t win anything, and went backwards because they were too caught up in spending half the cap on two CBs./blockquote>
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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If their luck evens out, and it should,
they won’t get close to the 11-5 over-achievement they somehow had last year.
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Pats or Jets?
Sounds like you mean Jets.
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They can run it,
They just won’t get any pressure without sending everyone.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
belichick has big balls & he is cold blooded
watch him cut fat albert, he has ellis, jones, carter all in camp and he doesn’t give a f*ck who they are or how many tits they fondled with credit cards. he will have a real D line coming out of camp that can pressure a QB.
pats are now rebuilt and i think you are dreaming if you assume they will lose in the first round of playoffs. NOW if jets all of a sudden turn into a super team and sanchez is 80% of brady then jets could take them out again. not likely imho, pats are back with a new rebuilt team. forget about the loss to the giants and the two first round playoff losses those have nothing to do with this year.
It's not fate, you have to play the games and the winner advances.
The Patriots are good enough to win a SB. So are like 4 or 5 other teams including us. In football there is no best of seven. Often in the playoffs the better team loses (see. Giants/Patriots SB, god that game made me happy, but clearly the better team lost.) The Patriots could win another SB. Like us, they have been reloading with youth. They’re running mostly 4-3 now and Wilfork and Haynesworth up front hide a lot of the weaknesses behind them. And though I find big flaws in Bill Belicheat as a head coach, he is the best gameplanner in the NFL. Can the Patriots win, absolutely, but god I hope not. I think we have another year or two left in this window to win one of our own.
no doubt
it often comes down to timing & momentum. by no means am i crowning pats SB champions but if brady plays another 5 years he is likely to get one SB and he could be lucky and get 2 SBs. if the pats D improves 20-25% then they will be super tough b/c their offense will be great almost guaranteed.
there are probably 10-12 teams that can win a SB, right now we only know 4 or 5 but the others will soon emerge.
Ummmm
kk99: “by no means am i crowning pats SB champions”
It kinda sounds like you are… Like no one stands a chance against them…
I guess we’ll see…
that is a wild assumption, i never said pats will win SB this year
i am just giving my unbiased opinion, i think us and the pats are the two best AFC teams. packers are probably right on par until we are at least 6 games into the season, then we can re-assess.
name one place where is said pats will win this year, i said it is highly likely brady wins at least one more ring if he plays 5 more years. i don’t think that’s at all unreasonable.
He's not cutting Haynesworth without a genuine reason.
His play on the field, or him doing something incredibly stupid off it.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
but he could, if it doesn't work out, he has options if he needs them.
they restructured albert so there is no cap hit if they let him go during pre-season or i even believe into the regular season.
Yep. It's only a 1.5 mil base salary,
So basically no ramifications if they do need to cut him for some reason.
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Disagree
Sadly, I think last year WAS a gelling and building year for them, and I think they are LOADED this year. They make it to the AFC championship game- from there, we will see.
I want to see the Packers play the Eagles, and see if Rodgers can make their DB’s look stupid (again).
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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i seriously doubt jets beat pats twice
anything is possible but we will have to see. pats have made aggressive but smart moves to get the pieces they need. jets spent too much time sniffing nnamdi’s jock and probably got a booby prize in plax. we have to see how the teams mesh but i could see the pats being very improved while the jets slipping.
it really comes down to the playoffs, will pats D be ready for a deep playoff run or are they still just an assembly of parts?
yes
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 20, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well, plax looked good in 1st game
so i may have to eat my words, too early but always a possibility.
Well, this was a bit of a downer
Of course it was a preseason game. I get that. But it was a lot of fun to watch. The team was playing well for this early in the year and they looked like they were having a great time. And I have to disagree. It is absolutely NOT too early to pick the Steelers for the Super Bowl. I pick them every year, in April or so. I stop picking them a couple weeks after they get knocked out of the playoffs. You never know…the other team may all get the trots and Goodell will have to call up the last seed to play!
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I think it was more of a “keep your feet on the ground”er than downer… It’s all good… I never took “Here We Go” off as my ringtone from last February…. it’s not going anywhere :)
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I stop picking them a couple weeks after they get knocked out of the playoffs. You never know…the other team may all get the trots and Goodell will have to call up the last seed to play!
Sheer genius!
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by Rebecca Rollett on Aug 22, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does the idea of Leftwich as a starter scare you?
In the past, when we’ve needed #4, the Steeler offense has scarcely missed a beat. Nobody wants to see Ben go down with an injury but, if the worst should happen, Lefty is more than adequate as a backup. In fact, the other teams in our division will be relying on the following “mega-stars” as their backup QBs this season:
Ravens: Tyrod Taylor (rookie 6th-round pick)
Browns: Seneca Wallace
Bengals: Bruce Gradkowski
I’d take Leftwich in a heartbeat before any of those guys.
Personally
I want Doc. B. He makes the team around him better
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 20, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Lefty is not a starter for a reason
Seriously… If Charlie Batch is healthy (a huge if, I know… the guy seems more breakable than a terracotta warrior) I’d rather have him. Dixon looks — if anything — more jittery than last year, and I would cut him. I would put BL behind CB.
Batch is well-liked, and the guys play hard for him. (Although I hear Lefty is well-liked too, I admit.)
CB is smart and can manage a game for you until Ben returns.
It seems to me that BL is just such a different QB than Ben that having him as a backup is a bad idea. And that wind up and throw of his is ridiculous.
As for the rest of the North… Who knows if Gradkowski is a starter or a backup in Cincy? But, I think you may be selling him short. I didn’t know the Ravens were going with a rookie backup… that seems scary to me, and I wouldn’t do it. Seneca Wallace better be ready, because if the line doesn’t do a better job protecting McCoy, he’ll be getting a lot of work… but yeah, I like BL better than Seneca Wallace.
Agree that BL is not a starter but he is a great backup
CB is a hero but I would liketo see him retire and come back as a coach. I just don’t think his body can take the beating any longer. Lefty is a damn good QB. He’s filled in pretty well for Ben. Different style but same toughness.
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by stillergorillar on Aug 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This. Lefty isnt starting caliber anymore. Hes a decent backup at this stage of his career
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 21, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not always.
I’m sure you know that Leftwich was a starter for several years in Jacksonville and also a starter in Tampa Bay for awhile. The guy’s entire career has been hampered by playing for crummy football organizations.
Crummy?
You’re going to have to define crummy for me…
In 2005, his first year as a starter, Jacksonville went 12-4 — helped greatly by the 4-1 record Gerrard had in Byron’s absence (BL was injured late in the season.)
In 2006, they went 8-8 while Del Rio tried to figure out who his starter was .
In 2007, he named BL the unconditional starter… only to change his mind when Gerrard outplayed BL in preseason. This led to BL being cut. The Jags went 11-5 that year.
And in the Wild Card game that year, this “crummy” team beat the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Crummy is when you have only one playoff win in 8 seasons as a coach.
And then your boss decides to give you another shot at rebuilding:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/wires/08/23/2020.ap.fbn.jaguars.preview.1065/index.html
You can’t realize your potential as a player when you’re stuck in cities like Jacksonville, Tampa Bay or Cincinnati.
We're Not going to agree on this
The state of the Jaguars today does not mean that they were crummy in 2005 when he started, or in 2007 when they knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs.
The Jaguars have not been the Steelers in the past 6 years, but they haven’t been Cincinnati or Tampa Bay, either. And part of the reason for their “crumminess” in 2007 was Byron Leftwich — who takes so long to throw the ball that everyone in the stadium knows where it is going by the time it leaves his hand.
He’s an OK back-up, I guess. But he’s no starter. And as back-ups go, I’d still rather have Charlie next in line — until he shows he can’t do it anymore, which may be the case… We don’t know. Because they’re not playing him in preseason — just like last year…
I agree
I’ve always felt good about having lefty as our primary backup. After watching our Oline push the eagles off the ball on running plays, I feel even better that if BB goes down lefty can come in and let the running game help him lead the offense

































