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Camp Confidential: Sizing Up an Interesting First Week From Latrobe

Lookey here, an exclusive post from Dale Lolley for us here at Behind the Steel Curtain. Many thanks to Dale for agreeing to provide us with unique insights and access each week until the start of the 2011 NFL season. -Michael B.-

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By Dale Lolley

LATROBE - One week into the Steelers' 2011 season, we've seen plenty of action coming out of the team's training camp at Saint Vincent College.

We've seen dozens of signings, a flirtation with Plaxico Burress, injuries and a host of other moves in what has been the perhaps busiest training camp in team history.

But there is also some football taking place on the field. Sure, it's been glorified OTAs because many of the team's veteran players have been unable to practice.

And there have been some young standouts in the first week. I'll touch on a few of them:

© Rookie running back Baron Batch has the look of an NFL running back. There has to be something that I'm not seeing with Batch because he has good size, 5-10, 210, is shifty in the hole, and showed his power in the one-on-one blocking drills, taking James Harrison to a standstill.

How in the world did this guy last until the seventh round of the draft?

OK, his top-end speed isn't great and he played in an unconventional offense that let him go over 20 carries just once last season. That game also happened to be his only 100-yards game, against Missouri.

Unless he turns out to be a fumbler, the kid is a keeper.

© Rookie linebacker Chris Carter is listed at 6-1, 248 pounds, but if he's 248 pounds right now, I'd be shocked.

The former Fresno State defensive end looks like a safety and lacks the strength to hold up in the run game. He does show some explosive quickness as a pass rusher, though.

© I've been very impressed with sixth-round pick Keith Williams, a 6-5, 310-pound guard from Nebraska.

He got thrown into the starting line with Chris Kemoeatu on the PUP list and Doug Legursky being unable to practice for the first week because of the CBA rules.

Williams has taken full advantage of his opportunity. Williams looks very strong and has a nasty streak. If Williams gets his hands on you, you're going for a ride and it's not going to be pretty. He caught Larry Foote on a blitz early in the week and drove the linebacker into the ground.

The only downside I've seen at this point is that he tends to lose his footing at times.

© While Williams has taken advantage of his opportunity, second-round pick Marcus Gilbert has been watching due to a hamstring injury. That's too bad because he could have used the extra work the week with many veterans would have provided him.

© First-year tight end Jamie McCoy has been the best, in my opinion, of the young players brought in at that position. He's a tenacious blocker.

The team also likes massive Wesyle Saunders and his 6-5, 270-pound frame, but at 240 pounds, McCoy has looked like the better blocker.

© Mike Tomlin has been riding second-year linebacker Jason Worilds all over the field.

He's pushing Worilds to take the next step and become the team's top backup outside linebacker.

I spoke to Worilds about that this week and he's stepping up to the challenge. He'd better. The team is counting on him to fill that role and become a star on special teams as well - especially with veterans Anthony Madison and Keyaron Fox now gone.

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© Mike Tomlin has been riding second-year linebacker Jason Worilds all over the field.

Grooming him to take over for Harrison is my guess.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Or Woodley...

Both are a bit up in the air at the moment.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 4, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Hopefully he will not be needed to start for some time to come but it makes sense for him to be ready when the time arrives.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or just to give breathers to Old Man Harrison...

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by Steel Spike on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t mean at the moment, but for the future.

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by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

National attention? W00t W00t!!!

Things that are good: Baron Batch, Keith Williams and Jason Worilds turning it up.

Things that are bad: Marcus Gilbert being injured, and Chris Carter stinking. If he looks more like a safety, then work him out there. None of this hybrid LB/S bullcrap.

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by Steel Spike on Aug 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I would think he can build the strength

but it sounds like PS for him till he does unless he has a skill set that will let him play safety.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he could drop about 23 lbs

He could play safety. If not, then he’ll be a camp casualty.

Write that down.

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by Steel Spike on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can come to Winnipeg

He can play here till he puts on enough muscle to play NFL LB (or rush DE in a 4-3).

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 4, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news, thank you Mr. Lolley.

Carter better show something on ST if that’s the case. But other than that and the injury notes, I like what I’m hearing. I hope I like it as much come week one of the pre-season.

Anybody know anything more about this Jamie McCoy?

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Williams

Definitely a player to watch. G is wide open for the next two years. It’s hard not to be excited when I hear “Steelers drafted , an OG from Nebraska.”

They grow those down there about as successfully as they grow corn. Hell, maybe Rooney could just buy the state and claim ownership of all offensive linemen who come out of there.

Is that legal?

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

as long as we..

…trade PA as the linebacker state.

by IronJake on Aug 4, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Lolley (if you read this)

Dwyer’s days are numbered. Batch is the real deal. I think we keep 4 RBs and you see Baron get involved as early as week 4 or 5.

I’m not too worried about hearing Carter is weak right now. That will probably let us stow him on the PS for some time and he can build up muscle as a job basically. If his problem was he looked lost out there, then I’d be more concerned.

Glad we have options at TE too. And glad we are finally seeing something good from a late OL pick.

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Carter would last too long on the PS

Some injury riddled team would probably sign him in a hearbeat.

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets say, it will be interesting to see what they do after losing Thaddeus last year.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Is that you saying Carter will make the 53?

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Didn’t they kind of come out and say they made a mistake with Gibson last year? They might be gun shy to gamble and lose another guy who has solid potential. I think if he shows ST potential he will make it.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they gambled with Gibson

And it backfired. I forget the circumstances behind it, but didn’t he make the team, then they released him to clear room for McClendon for that Tennessee game in Week 2? They hoped to resign him, but he didn’t clear waivers?

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was closer to the middle of the season. Like week 9 that he was snatched. I think we waived him twice or something like that.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If nothing else it’ll be fun to see what he can do in the preseason. He and Batch. A guy on the Trib radio show just compared Batch to Marshall Faulk. May have to flag that as the front-runner for exaggeration of the year, but everyone’s buzzing so much about him, I wanna see him step up

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, now people are getting carried away. But I guess its better than hearing “the next Bus” for the fifty millionth time.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

Wasn’t Chris Fumatu-Ma’afala the first Next Bus?

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Frank Summers

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was the next Bus

And a member of a large group of late Steelers RB draft picks who became camp darlings, but never really did anything with the team.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frank was the Tank

I can’t remember who he is with this season.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 4, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Tank's with the Chargers.

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by Homer J. on Aug 4, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was Frank even ever a camp darling? I feel like he showed nothing from day 1.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a pre draft darling

A long way from Pittsburgh PA, in fact, 8653.2 miles to be precise. My blood still bleeds black and gold like the rest of Steeler Nation, proud fan since 2002.

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 4, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

batch does kinda look like barry sanders though

by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on Aug 4, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanders AND Faulk…wow! I can’t believe he lasted to the 7th round!

by Neal Coolong on Aug 5, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Gibson was really all that good

From what I’ve heard, he really isn’t making any waves in San Fran despite Lawson not being there and Aldon Smith being a rookie. More of a finesse guy.

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows? He is just a rookie. But I think it was relatively clear the Steelers liked him and they were disappointed when he got snatched.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

They needed another DL-man

When Aaron Smith effectively went down for the season so they pulled up McLendon for good. They tried to slide Gibson to the PS to make room, but he never came close to clearing waivers and the 49ers snapped him right up

by barnerburner on Aug 4, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I feel like it was the quickest signing off waivers I’ve ever seen.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like they had a tent and campfire and had been set up waiting for him

by barnerburner on Aug 4, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had

and did.

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 5, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Niners liked that

We can’t draft rush linebackers, but the Black and Gold can, and he’s going to emerge as a starter in the league.

That said, surprised he lasted that long in the draft (he reminded me of Woodley), and surprised that they cut him.

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 5, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was

a roster move made because of the injury to Smith. Steelers were hoping to sneak him to PS

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by stillergorillar on Aug 5, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Stiller

And they would have done well to do so. Neal, to answer your question, he’s showed flashes, but most of the attention has been focused on a couple key others, so we haven’t heard too much. I def agree with the analysis below that he needs to bulk up; the speed and rush are good, the run defending is a bit of a weakness (literally).

Right now, SF fans are trying to figure out just what the hell is going on with Taylor Mays…

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 5, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carter

  Right now Carter is about the same shape/weight Worilds was last season.
This year Worilds came in stronger and heavier. If the Steelers think Carter can do the same and he is good on SP teams. Carter will make the roster.

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by steeler junky on Aug 6, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Pittsburgh puts him on the PS

A team that signs him has to put him on their active roster. If the rap on him is that he’s too weak, why would they sign him to the 53?

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Desperation

He’s apparently already shown that his speed rush is good, but he isn’t good when teams run at him. The same can be said for a lot of undersized pass rushers.

And if even we cut him with the idea of bringing him back on the PS, I don’t think he would clear waivers. He’s got a lot of raw talent, but he needs more coaching and more time in the weight room.

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass Rushers

Pass rushers are highly valued in this league even if they are one dimensional.

SCS could be right that a team would snatch him up if he shows any ability to get the QB.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 4, 2011 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Everyone relax on C. Carter, judge after the preseason games ...

Not every LB that comes out of college is going to be as strong as Woodley and Deebo are right now. Remember, Timmons came out at 232 lbs. four years ago and he’s 250+ now (according to his LB coach Keith Butler). That is what our program is for, to help the dude work on his strength.

The real test will come on special teams. If he sucks there, then his spot really could be in jeopardy. The kid can get after the QB though, and you all will see that in the preseason games. He has quicks and that bend coming off the corner that all of the good ones do. Just gotta get that strength up so that he can bullrush too. In three years, he’s going to be another component of the LB factory line. Besides, the Ravens would have picked him in the 5th round if we didn’t, so let’s give him a few years to rub that in their faces.

by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 4, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Joey Porter was 241, he did fine.

Carter has speed and moves, that will do it in college, remember Urbik was strong for a college lineman and got embarrassed at camp. Carter will bulk up and if he doesn’t work out it will not be strength or weight that will be the problem.

by Phantaskippy on Aug 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember Urbik leaving tire tracks on us last year

Granted it was pretty much his only decent performance that year, but he did pretty well for Buffalo.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joey Porter played special teams his few couple of seasons in the NFL ...

Damn, they’ve had 3 practices in pads and you guys already want to cut the kid, LOL. Let’s at least see what he can do when the lights come on.

by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 4, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything about him

I was just trying to get to know him, seems like a lot of people here know him pretty well.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baron Batch = Marshall Faulk

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I might've found my new sig

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heard good things about Sweed in camp

besides the hamstring every day I read Steelersdepot they say Sweed had a good day. He needs to stand out in Preseason and it should be very clear that he should be playing only in the first quarter. I just salivate at the thought of him reaching his potential with the other Wrs we have on this roster.

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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 4, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

I agree. If sweed can get his shit together with wallace, ward, brown and sanders, it’ll be nice. I just wish we had someone else with ward’s experience.

by IronJake on Aug 4, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Experience card is over-played

You got one guy with experience. Thats enough. Look at all the Veteran/Experienced WR the ravens/bengals had last year and what did it do for their passing attack. All that matters is can you get open and can you catch, or catch the ball even when you aren’t open. I still think Sweed puts it together and would have last year if it wasn’t for his injury. Remember his first two years at texas he had the drops. The guy is a late bloomer but when he does blooms its beautiful. I think that is the only reason why Sweed is still with the team, the FO sees that.

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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 4, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Experience counts when the chips are down – kinda like the super bowl. It looked like everybody was looking to everybody else to save the day – collectively – like a mexican standoff. I think experience helps with that, but I could be wrong. They certainly have that experience now.

But I do agree that catching the ball when you are open (or not) is key – and the ultimate test.

by IronJake on Aug 4, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone was looking around

even Ward….

Explain why didn’t Ward and Miller step up then? Just curious. (Not trying to be confrontational.

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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 4, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a question for the ages dude

"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 4, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miller was open. Ben didn’t look his way

by worldtrip on Aug 4, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would have been nice to have 'Tone around for that drive

oh well, who needs Superbowls?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 8, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's been a while

And I haven’t seen the game again since. I don’t want to.

I dunno.

I just saw a collective pause. Maybe they all came to the same conclusion that it just wasn’t their day. I just remember Holmes and Ward, playing off each other would make it happen – one way or another. This group is always on the edge.

by IronJake on Aug 5, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

An Achilles injury is really tough to come back from

Especially when you’re a player that relies on your explosiveness and cutting ability.

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a drop today

But so did Lyons.

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah

3 years later, I have mostly lost faith, but if Sweed ever turns it on, he’ll be a dangerous addition to an already good receiving corps.

And, he’s tall. Him, Heath, Wallace and Ward would be a pretty unstoppable combo if Limas turns out to not have been a bust.

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 5, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone got the deatails on Ike Taylor's contract?

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by seton hall and steelers on Aug 4, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it came down to like 7 mill a year

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by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep hearing 4 years, 28 mill. Unsure of guaranteed money

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 4, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have heard that number but I also heard that this years cap hit is only 3.7 million

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by seton hall and steelers on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the steelers will potentially have two players with the last name ‘Batch?’

by jwmann2 on Aug 4, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess you could say they're just a couple of Batches.

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie's son is a son of a Batch

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by StoneColdSteel on Aug 4, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure Charlie is one too…

by tkired on Aug 4, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone know why Dorian Brooks left the team?

by SteelerChick1 on Aug 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunno, maybe some personal reasons?

Not often you see someone get put on the Exempt/Left Squad List. In fact, I can’t remember hearing of that list before

by barnerburner on Aug 4, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It comes up a lot early in camp

Some guys just can’t take it and quit. Hate to make it sound like it’s a pussy thing to do, or even associate Dorian Brooks with that (I have no clue why he left), but it very well could be that he tried doing it, but couldn’t get past an injury, and basically threw in the towel.

The official term for that would be “…placed on the Left Squad list.” Then he can’t sign for anyone else, and the Steelers technically don’t have to cut him/pay him the balance of his contract, but he isn’t on the roster either.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They make it sound much more mysterious than it likely is. Basically, he quit. There’s a separate list for personal matters.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 4, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's even more curious, since he could hack it a bit last year

We carried him on our PS all of last season, and when they put Pouncey on IR for the Super Bowl, Brooks got the call up to the 53-man roster.

It seemed like his arrow should’ve been pointing up

by barnerburner on Aug 4, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eagles had a DE leave too.

Young guy, second year out of Clemson. Can’t think of his name off hand.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

probably

because he had nothing in mind for the rookie talent show.

by Steely McSmash on Aug 5, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Dale. Good stuff.

If BBatch even makes the squad, he will become a big national story, simply because of his blog.

It’s great to see him off to a great start. He seems to be everybody’s favorite underdog.

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by Homer J. on Aug 4, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

© Mike Tomlin has been riding second-year linebacker Jason Worilds all over the field.

Man I’m worried about James Harrison.

"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 4, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

oh man great then I read this
James Harrison said he is 75 or 80 percent after two offseason surgeries on his back to correct a herniated disc.

Tomlin is likely to keep a close eye on Harrison during training camp. Harrison, who played through pain last season said he did not know whether his back would hinder his play throughout the season.

“I hope not. It’s going to be a long process. I’m anticipating it’s something I’d deal with for the whole season.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11211/1164038-66-0.stm#ixzz1U77oaqJF

At least there’s some solace in the thought that the injury supposedly manifested while James was chasing flacco out of bounds so the QB could, laughably, sack himself.

"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 4, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I almost fell over

That’s inexcusable for any quarterback, let alone one who proclaims his talent in the media and has started for three years. Flacco had no clue what was going on in the second half of that game. He had no business losing, I don’t care where they played. He completely fell apart.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 5, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

like my favorite show Gumble to Gumble

I may get to see Batch to Batch in the preseason.

by steeltech on Aug 4, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wonderful news on Williams

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 4, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

"To a stand still "is exagerating it

Harrison drove him back 6 yards, which he should he had the momentum, the size and the strength. Batch did a good job of staying on him, not losing technique which would allow the QB to step up, however if this was a live game I believe Harrison would have tried to shed the block when he saw the QB attempt to step up.

by Steel34D on Aug 5, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone hear if Fox was picked up elsewhere?

Last year I never had a sinking feeling when we needed an inside linebacker becasue there was almost no fall off when Fox was in there. I really can’t believe that no one would pick him up.

Also, with him and Madison gone I really fear for our special teams coverage. Two years ago we were getting burned what seemed like every week and then we did something about it. We signed back Madison. In reading all of the reports from camp I haven’t heard anything about special teams practice being a priority. I hope it’s just not worth reporting on. I’d hate to go back to almost breaking my tv every time we kick off.

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by westviewsteelersfan on Aug 5, 2011 1:44 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree

KFox is a player.

If the Steelers can’t reclaim him, I want him to go to my Niners, to fill the hole created by TKO’s departure.

Yeah, the Steelers are all of a sudden thin at ILB; it’s an important position, and relatively cheap; not good to be short able bodies at.

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 5, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not thin at LB

If Fox is expendable it is also due to the depth of the LB corps. I haven’t heard anything conclusive about Foote leaving. Worilds and Sylvester are shaping up very nicely. It is possible we will get some mileage out of this years group of youngsters as well.

I think we will be fine at LB.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 5, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sylvester, yes

But Worilds is a rush linebacker, and the team needs to see if he has what it takes to replace Harrison down the stretch. So, they are full at OLB, but thin at ILB.

At this point, they need to retain Foote; what he lacks in physical ability, he makes up for in intensity and leadership, and you saw that in ’09 when the defense lacked a vocal leader.

My point is that Fox would probably start for half the teams in the league that run the 3-4; that he is somewhat expendable is related to his having been on the Steelers. Someone will grab him, and get a solid bargain.

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 6, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe. But why hasn’t he signed yet? I’m thinking he leans a bit more towards the back up side than the starter side. I mean I don’t ever hear his name mentioned as a free agent to go after. Doesn’t sound like someone that could start for half the teams in the NFL. Maybe he was more a product of the system. LeBeau putting him in the right place.

by worldtrip on Aug 6, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Redskins got Fox

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 7, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

good points westviews

We heard about ST tons last year at this time. Not much so far. But I think the coverage has just more focused on the ‘bigger’ news items. Dale is scheduled to post again for us here next week, and he’s agreed to answer a few questions from me specifically rather than free-forming. I’ll ask him about that specific question because I think it’s a great one.

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by Michael Bean on Aug 5, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

Thanks so much to you and Dale for doing this… I value his opinion in everything Steelers about the most of journalists in Pittsburgh, along with Ed Bouchette. So yeah, I loved reading this :)

by Simonsen on Aug 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fox was a mess last year on ST. If you recall, his stupid personal foul against Baltimore set them up in great field position for their winning drive. I think he had another stupid foul like that later in the season too that hurt us. I’ve heard Sly has looked good in camp and I don’t imagine a big drop off if he has to slide in for an injury or something.

I wouldn’t worry too much about ST until you have to. Our new ST coach from last year played a big part in the turnaround just as much as Madison did. Worilds and Sly looked great there last year and we have a bunch of young athletes fresh to the roster who I think can excel on ST.

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by John Stephens on Aug 5, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

with all of this John

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by stillergorillar on Aug 5, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, fox was not great on ST coverage, esp. in the playoffs for whatever reason. Some really stupid mistakes there.

by tkired on Aug 5, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got the flag in the f'n Super Bowl

Before the final drive. Didn’t he? I hate thinking about that game, and I’m not going to look it up.

by Neal Coolong on Aug 5, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he did

Thats when I decided I wanted him cut. He shoved a Packers player after a little bit of jawing and got flagged for unnecessary roughness, 15 yards

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 5, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

nail in the coffin, imo

by tkired on Aug 5, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 6, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good catch Michael

Dale brings some good eyes to the blog. Its awesome to have someone at the camp doing reporting. I am wondering if Dale has seen anything develop or heard anything about the pass coverage especially with Polo not at 100% yet. The word is he will be 100% for the preseason, but his health is always guarded. If he is not 100% everyone around him will stink up the house again.

by ibygeorge on Aug 5, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Good call on Saunders

The major weakness in his game has always been blocking, but he was never asked to do it much in Spurrier’s offense. His one year at SCAR that they had a balanced offense was the year he was suspended. He will succeed in the NFL though if that improves. I’m excited to see him grow.

Really disappointed to hear about Gilbert’s injury. I was hoping to see what he could provide and if there was going to be any chance he challenges for some playing time. I thought now would have been an excellent time to make an impression on the coaching staff.

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by glass0941 on Aug 5, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Baron batch

In his 3 years as a starter he only fumbled one time

by RedRaid13 on Aug 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Is Batch this year's Redman?

Looks like he’s headed for cult hero status before he’s played a down. And I’m okay with that. By all accounts a great character guy. I’ll be rooting hard for him to succeed.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Aug 5, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

seems like the3 new Redman

I am okay with having two players of the class on the team.

"A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe" Pierre Burton (historian)

"It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of." Emily Carr (artist)

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No,

  Batch is faster.

The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.

by steeler junky on Aug 6, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  


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