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Dirty Birds: Ravens Chop Blocking at Hampton's Knees

If you have not heard, a few of the Steelers players were asked about chop blocking during the game in an interview todayJames Farrior and Lawrence Timmons brought up the issue, saying that Ravens C Matt Birk and G Marshall Yanda were routinely throwing chop blocks at the knees of our NT, Casey Hampton.  If you do not know what a chop block is, let me explain.  A chop block is when a defensive player is engaged up high with an offensive lineman and then another player comes and takes out his legs.  Sometimes it is illegal, and sometimes it is not.  Either way, it is a shady tactic that can lead to people getting hurt.

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As you already know Big Snack is basically an unmovable beast that generally occupies two blockers.  He is a huge reason why our run defense has been so good for so long, because it is almost impossible to run anywhere through the line because of his presence.  How could someone get around that?  Completely taking him out of the play through a chop block.

I switched on the game tape and within the first few seconds of the game I got exactly what I was looking for.  On the Ravens very first play of the game Ray Rice ran for 36 yards right up the left center of the line.  Clean blocking, right?  Not so fast.  Take a look at these screen caps.

Chop1_presnap_medium

You can see Casey lined up directly over center here before the snap.  The play looks like a run all the way and the Steelers seem to know it.

Chop1_engage_medium

This is right after the snap you can see Hampton is locked up with Matt Birk and the Ravens line is showing a run to the left.  You can see the LT left Woodley to block Aaron Smith and you can see Yands coming across the back of the line presumably to get down field and block.

Chop1_chopblock_medium

Boom.  Yanda you dirty little...instead of getting downfield Yanda takes a cheap shot and dives at Hampton's legs while he is engaged with Birk. And that is why I think the Steelers were getting chippy.

The Ravens ran a run on the next play before the Anquan Boldin play.  Right before the snap, the Steelers shifted their DL, which put Hampton off-kilter from Birk.  Yanda throws a legal chop block at Hampton, but he still makes the tackle for only a 3 yard gain.

On to the next series, again, the first play on the Ravens drive is a run to the left.  This time Rice only gains 5 yards, but with some of the same chop blocking:

Chop2_presnap_medium

Here we are again presnap almost an identical formation with the TE off the line this time.  Again, Hampton is lined over top the center.

Chop2_engage_medium

Right after the snap you can see that Hampton is locked in with Birk.  Woodley and Smith know a run is coming and they are ready.  The right side of the Ravens line is about to swing across the line.  We can already see Yanda making the same movement from the last chop block.

Chop2_chopblock_medium

It is harder to see on this one, but Yanda makes the another dangerous dive at Casey's legs while he is engaged with Birk.  How he did not end up with a torn ACL from either of these play is pure luck.

After these two I think the Steelers caught on to their dirty little tactic.  They kept shifting the line after the snap and I didn't catch any more, although I only rewatched the first half.  A few other times I did see Yanda dive at Hampton, but Casey had fought off Birk quickly and prevented his legs from being taken out.

I'm curious how well the Ravens running game would have done without this tactic that forced the Steelers to adjust their DL.  I expect Tomlin caught this too and will make sure the refs are watching for it next game.

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Stupid Ratbirds

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by TVsCHACHI on Sep 14, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 15, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, thank the lord Hampton still has knees. Of course, since he didn’t get injured, no penalty and no fine!

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Sep 14, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Welp

that explains a lot.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 14, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

It definitely explains why our players were getting chippy.

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those dirty cheating bastards

Bet you the next comment is MaLoR saying “Its not cheating if you don’t get caught. 35-7 hehehe. Now you trying to make excuses. Typical Squeeler fans”

That it happened multiple times without getting flagged is Bullshit

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by seton hall and steelers on Sep 14, 2011 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Excuses. Typical Squeeler fans.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i may have agreed with yu until the pictures.

by fbrrocket on Sep 14, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

glad u r livin up to ur stereotype……good job Mr. Malor!

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says the fan of a coach who makes them constantly. Uh, okay.

Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.

by Black&GoldTrain on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Says the fan of the Ravens whose coach is the biggest excuse maker in the league. Uh, okay.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Sep 16, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

funny that the titans said they will fight dirty with dirty

by md.lambert on Sep 16, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two things...

One that definition is for an Illegal Chop block, a legal chop block can be done when the defensive player isn’t engaged.
Second as a offensive linemen (guard) in high school, (and over 100lbs out weighed) you do anything to get an advantage this includes tripping, rib punches, groin punches, face slaps and holding (when your in the interior line the refs can’t see it). However the unwritten rule is you NEVER illegally cut block someone. This can cause serious injury to the knees the tibia and the fibula.

by Steel34D on Sep 16, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the first response I got on Twitter
Jonnybingo22 Adam Barnard
@BelowZero8 that’s why yandas the best guard in football #ravens #nfl #sizzleanbacon.

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn straight he is.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea, 2nd best. Behind Doug Legursky.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. I think he did a wonderful job of getting thrown to the ground by Ngata.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reed is taking it from Ben’s wife.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

redundancy?

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on Sep 15, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

retardency

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Define "taking it"

Words out of your mouth – he’s taking it…..

by slaken on Sep 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

receiving

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

like two girls and a cup

never seen it but heard it’s nasty

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was forced to

To everyone who hasn’t watched it, you should thank God for that

by Simonsen on Sep 16, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct Simon

For the love of God people, if you haven’t seen it, DON’T DO IT!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's just wrong Arn

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't tell me you watched it because I mentioned it....

hehehehehe

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

duuuuuuuude

wow…lol.

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh boy!

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

After she makes him her bitch

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by Tx_STEELER on Sep 17, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reed is going to take it from Ben’s wife.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deja Vu or Fail?

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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on Sep 15, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

both

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He better stay off my lawn too

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahah

"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Sep 15, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha Word!

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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on Sep 15, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

YES!

"In Hoc Signo Vinces!" (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!) -Constantine I

by Webslasher81 on Sep 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

They

meaning Bal_hawk, was already crying about how our players were crying on another Steeler fan post. I didn’t blast him, I wanted too, but the new and improved Steeler Fever refrained. The Steeler players bringing it up to the media will have the NFL and the officals watching for dirty play more closely in the next game between us, when we pluck their feathers and……..nope not gonna say it.

Lets move on…….how bout those seahawks next week ?

by steeler fever on Sep 14, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Still plucking feathers this week, just out west.....

….and you don’t have to say it…we ALL already know.

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by Steeleraero on Sep 15, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so done with this classless team. Can I come root for upstanding, respectful Steelers please?

Weren’t you guys illegally throwing punches? I think so…

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Since that is going to end someone’s career.

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never know. Shot to the temple can cause instant death.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are wearing helmets. (you seriously can’t be that stupid)

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea, forgot they wear helmets in football.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about your midget running back tackling Troy during one of the scuffles?

by Riddlah. on Sep 14, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My advice, don’t scuffle with Ray Rice.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't.

I am against fighting midgets.

by Riddlah. on Sep 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rice is the only player I like on the Ratbirds

He is tough, from Rutgers, and is like me in that he plays with heart and plays tougher and bigger than he is

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by seton hall and steelers on Sep 14, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

sick couplet bro

by klompus on Sep 14, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so we do it and its being classless but Rice does it and you suggest not fighting with him…..hmmmm.

by shleeve on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do NOT Mess With This Man

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on Sep 15, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whatchu talkin bout willis?

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Redundancy?

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Originality?

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton

by TVsCHACHI on Sep 15, 2011 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it a scuffle

Rice came up and tried to clothesline Polomalu from behind. Troy wheeled around and somehow wound up slamming Rice to the ground, instead.

by AMatt44 on Sep 15, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Serously... don't mess with the Ravens players named Ray....

They’ll kill ya if ya do….

Sorry, cheap shot not really meant to offend.

by slaken on Sep 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure both sides were throwing punches.

James Harrison~ "We are not trying to hit nobody hard. We don't want to get fined" *blank stare* /end sarcasm.

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 15, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen the entire game 3 times now, and saw Ward throw one at Pollard and Troy throwing one at Leach. Never saw one Ravens throw a punch.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

and...

I would be throwing punches to, if i knew the opposing team was holding and throwing chop blocks on almost every other play…like i said bro, ALMOST.

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 15, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oher punched Talyor in the leg FOR NO REASON.

Aside from the fact that Oher is a cheap-shot artist.

by Mike Frazer on Sep 15, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 15, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

he was getting ready to block for the next play

/constitanlymovingbeforethesnap

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 15, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oher punched Talyor in the leg FOR NO REASON.

Maybe he was hungry

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

mmmm....meaaaaaaat!

lol.

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 15, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then why do you keep posting? Please just be done with this blog.

Oh and um when is it legal to throw punches?

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by Black&GoldTrain on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can I advise you to “please just be done with this blog” ? Or, would that be going over the line and stuff.

by klompus on Sep 16, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because I can keep posting. And I will make sure to just to piss you off more.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This kind of stuff happens in every game

I would like for the refs to catch it, but thats not always the case. The only thing Tomlin can do about it is send the tape to the league office to be reviewed and hopefully get some officials that will watch for it next time.

I still respect the Ravens, even though I’m a little disappointed that they kept doing it. Not a respectful tactic.

Doesn’t change the fact that they beat the crap out of us.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 14, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes it does

If they did not do this we would have won by 30 and had no turnovers.

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by seton hall and steelers on Sep 14, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That comment is why I love this place :)

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 14, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know holding happens every game and is not called

I don’t think illegal chop blocks in the center of the line happen all the time. I don’t think illegal chop blocks at the happen all the time. I watched both the Ravens and Steelers snaps. The Steelers were not doing this.

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what that extra sentence was in there…

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they do

As in the case of last week, chop blocks aren’t always called. I’ve seen games where it was a quick passing play and a defensive lineman is engaged with someone but another guy go low and cuts him. Sometimes it happens so fast that the ref doesn’t catch it.

Besides, I dont think that our linemen could even execute a chop block the right way.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 14, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m going to disagree that it happens all the time. I don’t see it often and I tend to watch the OL. I’ll keep an eye out for it this season.

Also, you dive at someone’s legs. I think they could figure that out.

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be sure to watch teams that zone block a lot

Remember the Shanahan-led Broncos? They were infamous for chop blocks.

And it isn’t always intentional. Sometimes you’re blocking a guy and one your linemates tries to cut him as you are working to the second level. It happens very fast.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 14, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

just so we are clear

there is a difference between a chop block and an illegal chop block

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chop are all illegal

Anytime you dive at another guy’s ankles/knees when he’s already engaged with another blocker, thats illegal and dirty. Not proper football at all.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

That’s why there’s a name for it. There’s not legal holding, there’s a block and there’s holding.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not from what I found out. It’s apparently legal in some situations, which makes absolutely no sense. It’s always considered dirty though.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’re arguing semantics. What I mean is there’s a certain way you’re allowed to hit guys low without it being illegal. While that is frowned on by players, it’s legal. That’s not what’s commonly known as a chop block; that’s just hitting a guy low.

Chop blocks are illegal, and they are defined as the rules you’ve posted in here. Not sure if that makes sense…

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, lol.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling it an “illegal chop block” is redundant. It’s like calling “illegal pass interference.” If it wasn’t called pass interference, the referee deemed the play legal (or didn’t see it, like Sunday).

A chop block is a specific action. The defender is engaged with one blocker while another blocker goes at him at the thigh and lower if the ball is going away from the defender. If the play doesn’t meet those criteria, it’s not a chop block. For example, if Rice’s 36 yard run came in the 1-hole instead of the 5 (i.e. right at Hampton and not away from him), it would be legal for the guard and the center to block like that.

That example would NOT have been a chop block, but it is what players feel is cheap. It’s legal though. Dirty, but legal.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry if somebody else has already clarified this...

According to Mike Periera (sp), a LEGAL chop block is when two linemen are involved that don’t line up next to one another (center/tackle). A center and guard (Birk/Yanda) performing a chop block would be illegal.

by Here We Go! on Sep 18, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got that backwards...

If the lineman are lined up next to one another like Birk and Yanda were (center/guard), it is legal for them to chop block. Apparently it is designed that way so that a D-lineman can’t be blindsided by it coming from afar. I guess they are supposed to be able to see it coming from only one line position away.

by Here We Go! on Sep 18, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya know SC

Its one thing to have a Ravens fan in here mouthing the Steelers. Hell you expect that. But when a Steeler fan ridicules members of his own team like you just did with our offensive line. Well……It just strikes me the wrong way…….I guess I am gonna have to accept it as the way you are. But man….

GO STEELERS!!!

Sorry the Steelers don’t have the best O-line in the league for ya SC. Maybe we will get em next year.

by steeler fever on Sep 14, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is such a thing as reasonable discourse, and people disagreeing while still remaining fans…

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-- so says Rex Ryan.

by sctx109 on Sep 15, 2011 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's because I like the truth

You should try it sometime.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

it may be your perception

but that don’t make it the truth…..I have learned that from you and a few others this week. A team in this day and age IS going to have weak spots. No team is perfect. If you choose to think our O-line is a bunch of no talent rejects who are poorly coached and just plain suck. Thats your opinion maybe, but don’t make it the truth. And yes I did just put words in your mouth……but its the perception I have gotten from listening to some of your comments on here. Doesn’t make it the truth though. Do you have anything positive to say about the Steelers?

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You haven't even been on here long enough to know what I normally post

You took a couple of my comments about a very bad game we had and ran with it. Since you know me so well, can you tell me what I saying about the team before August?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell no

I slept since then! I joined BTSC in May 2011.

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i joined BTSC May 2010

fever i still haven’t slept…lol.

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha!

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did you change your name?

by worldtrip on Sep 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've had the same name since I joined

What are you getting at?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey SC and WT

Yall like your seagull fried or grilled?

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll just shoot it and bite its head off

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzy style

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently I have you confused with someone else

by worldtrip on Sep 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

People confuse me with Denzel Washington all the time

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
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Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 15, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that sometimes, as well

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Im sure you guys were separated at the hip

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
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Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the phone

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some people confuse me with Coach Tomlin

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you are Omar Epps after all!!!

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at my avatar and say this

It is what it is

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

that awkward moment

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

a couple guys have the same avatar

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 15, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess its time to change mines

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, nobody is rockin yours!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am suprised

that I have only seen 1 other person with the Steeler logo as their Avatar. Mine is my facebook pic during the season. I hate to change it on here even though the other guy was first with it. I guess I could get one of Denzel Washington , cuz me and him are like twins.

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you have a point about our O-line lacking the competence to cheat properly. I can see them taking out the knees of their teammates, instead.

by AMatt44 on Sep 15, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I’m not arguing we would have won. They still dominated our secondary, pass rush and our offense. I just don’t think they would have run as well if Hampton could have stayed on his feet.

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice, retweeted by Bouchette

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

you’re an absolute baller.

by klompus on Sep 14, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

you bet I am

that’s why I order dollar bottles at the bar

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by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's dollar beers in a bar...??

pics or it didnt happen. up here, even buttweiser is 5 a pint.

by SteelersVT on Sep 15, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Union Jacks

They have a spinny wheel and 2 of the things are dollar bottles (bud light and natty boh). They also have $2 dollar drafts before 10. That includes a few good beers like Sam Adams, Sam Seasonal, Smithwicks, etc.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Craig Wolfley reported that.....

That Ravens ran a whole lot of zone blocking scheme (where the whole line moves to one side in unison) like your pics show and chop blocked Hampton and the backside 3-technique. Says he had never seen the Ravens do this.

Lets hope the coaches have the players better prepared for these type tactics next time they face em. Texans also employ a zone blocking scheme, whom we play in week 4.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Sep 14, 2011 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's the interesting part to me of the story from Bouchette

Hampton says he didn’t complain to the ref. And I have no problem with that. But the coaches have to notice stuff like that and report it to Tomlin so he can talk to the officials about it. Asking officials to monitor a certain infraction by the other team is part of the head coach’s game day responsibilities. Just ask Troy Edwards.

by pghnorthside on Sep 14, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 lol

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yanda would have better luck cut-blocking an oak tree.

I didn’t see where the Ravens slowed the Snack down all that much. It was the rest of the D (except for Ike Taylor) that didn’t do their jobs on Sunday.

by Billy52 on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Irrelevant in my eyes

Illegal? Yes, but since when is that news? Deebo gets held more than any player in the league, but you don’t see him complaining about it; at least not anymore (cough, cough LaMarr). If he does this week about this chop-blocking it’ll will probably be out of spite for Goodell and concern for a teammate. Sure this confirms that the Ravens are assholes, but they are far from the first team to employ this practice.

It’s not like if the Ravens had blocked cleanly we woulda won the game. What happened on Sunday was flat out domination due to a number of things. I chalk it up to one of those days where you can’t catch a break and everything that can go wrong goes wrong. If the our boys are smart they’ll take a mental note and maybe decide to play inspired football on November 6th instead of the bullshit they gave us a few days ago. Suggs didn’t earn any brownie points when he said he’d take a fine to menace a QB, and while classless as it may seem, maybe that’s the attitude you need to have to beat your hated rivals.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Sep 14, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I see both sides to this

Yes, even if they had blocked clean we still would not have won. However; how effective would their run game had been? If Big Snack had to play the game not just being aware of the ball carrier, but also if someone was going to chop his knees, his attention is going to be divided. Also, if the other defenders saw this happening, they are also going to be aware of that possibility and may not react as quickly as normal due to the split awareness. I worked with a guy who coached football, young kids, IIRC. He would tell them on the very first play of the game to jump offsides and hit the OL in front of them on the first sound the QB made. He did this to get into the heads of the opposing players and throw off their game. When you have to worry about your knees, the other team is in your heads and may make you play a little slower

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 14, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

You wouldn’t be saying that it is irrelevant if Big Snack had a torn ACL.

by Riddlah. on Sep 15, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying I don't care that they did it

It was low, but been done many times before. Had Big Snack gotten that injury I’d be extremely pissed off but I wouldn’t change my stance on how the game woulda turned out. In other words, even if that had happened, I would not label that as the sole reason we lost. We were flat out dominated no matter how they blocked.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Sep 15, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does have an impact

I wouldn’t say this would have made it a win, but it could have.

Consider that these two plays were from the first drives. If they don’t do those to Snack a couple times, maybe they don’t go far on the ground. Or maybe they get called and have to go to deep passing situations that we can predict.

That first drive maybe doesn’t happen and then we get points first possibly. I think that first TD was huge because it really shook us up as it happened so fast.

by Mechem on Sep 15, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

yep. the ravens would not have done this repeatedly if they thought it was irrelevant

by tkired on Sep 15, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

excellent point

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 15, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chop blocking certainly gives a team an advantage

That’s why it’s illegal.

It doesn’t put points on the board, but it essentially forced the defense to play with 10 guys because, in Pittsburgh’s case, Yanda wiped him out of the play when he would normally be shuffling down the line to plug the hole. He wasn’t there, off Rice goes…not exactly a coincidence.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE will

B ready for em next time!

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

this picture shows better angle at the second incident

by Bonek on Sep 15, 2011 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Someone sent me an email with the NFL rule
“CHOP BLOCK ON RUN (BY A LINEMAN)
(6) On a running play, A1, an offensive lineman, chops a defensive player after the defensive player has been engaged by A2 (high or low), and the initial alignment of A2 is more than one position away from A1. This rule applies only when the block occurs at a time when the flow of the play is clearly away from A1.”

From what I understand of this rule, chop blocks are legal on run plays under a few conditions:

  1. The flow of the play is away from A1 (Yanda)
  2. A1 and A2 (Birk) are more than one position away from each other

The play was clearly to the left, so the (1) is true. However, Yanda is the G lined directly next to the C. So (2) is false. So, it’s still illegal, right?

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Do we have any pictures other than just two plays? It seems these are the only pictures I see from the 30+ different Steeler blogs or websites that are writing about this incident. Proof of it happening at different times instead of 14:54 and 10:53?

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took these pictures and somehow they spread across the internet like wildfire.

Like I said in the post I only watched the 1st half. After the 2nd time they did it the Steelers started shifting their line right before the snap and that probably hurt Hampton because it put him over the top of two players and forced a weak side of the line.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, you internet famous now John!

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats johnny to you

by klompus on Sep 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnny_S at that

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by PixburghArn on Sep 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Stephens, King of all that is statistical

is his proper title and all outsiders should address him as such ;)

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seen what you did there ncm...

heh heh heh Stephen King! lol.

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where the hell is my meme?

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one will ever meet your level of fame, Mrs. Malor…

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, not my fault I have done radio interviews for 5 different NFL stations the last 3 years.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish someone could get the stats on how many times that Deebo is held in a game.

McKinney is 100 pounds heavier than Deebo, but still continuously held him. It really pissed me off when I read that he dominated Deebo. That was “bullshit”.

by Allen F on Sep 17, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKinnie dominated Deebo.

I would love for you to show me 3 different occasions where he was held by McKinnie besides the one that was called (which was bullshit by the way)

Ok, GO!

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 18, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to PFF, Harrison dominated McKinnie. McKinnie got a negative ranking for the game and Harrison got a positive ranking. Just because Harrison doesn’t get a sack doesn’t mean McKinnie dominated. His run blocking was pretty poor.

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by John Stephens on Sep 18, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really

I don’t think I have enough fingers to count the holds.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I tweeted PFF asking them about it and they said it didn’t happen as much in the 2nd.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I am confused

After an extensive amount of research, it seems like the play isn’t illegal according to NFL rules. However, it does appear to be dirty and kind of an unwritten rule where you do not do it. Who knows. I changed up my wording to make it fit that thought.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

In all seriousness though, I have seen conflicting statements on this move.

I have read this from one site.

During a run play, a chop block is allowed as long as the O-linemen who do it are lined up directly next to each other (i.e. a guard and a center, or a guard and a tackle, but not a center and a tackle).

But have also seen this as you stated before the changes you made.

There is a difference between a cut block (legal but controversial), which most are describing, where the o-lineman blocks a defender below the knees, the chop block (illegal) is where a offensive player blocks a defender from behind below the knees. but the cut block is also illegal if the defender is engaged with another player

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I stated above was the NFL rule on chop blocks on run plays
"CHOP BLOCK ON RUN (BY A LINEMAN)
(6) On a running play, A1, an offensive lineman, chops a defensive player after the defensive player has been engaged by A2 (high or low), and the initial alignment of A2 is more than one position away from A1. This rule applies only when the block occurs at a time when the flow of the play is clearly away from A1."

That is the definition of a illegal one. So, it would appear it is legal if he is next to the guy initially at the snap. However, I’ve read on quite a few places it is frowned upon and big players who are less mobile do not like it. It’s a lot harder for them to get out of the way and they have their eyes on the guy already blocking them. Also, I don’t understand why it is legal on a run play but illegal on a pass play. It’s the exact same idea.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy game John and everyone is just trying to feed their family.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. If the NFL wanted to protect their players, like they say they do, they’d make that kind of chop block illegal no matter what. Oh well. Like I said, it wouldn’t have helped us win the game anyway.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Yes, it’s definitely against the rules. Not sure where you’re seeing it’s not, but it is. The spacing piece you’re referring to is really only the nuts-and-bolts way of saying "you can’t do what Yanda and Birk were doing to Hampton. That’s when it’s the most dangerous, and it really only applies and is effective when done along the line inside the tackle box. It’s really just about giving the defensive player a chance to see the block that’s coming below his legs. Hitting low is always frowned upon, but it’s a penalty when done inside the box.

2. You’ll hear defensive linemen complaining about that almost as often as holding calls.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are the NFL rules, here it is in full:
Article 16 A chop block is a foul by the offense in which one offensive player (designated as A1 for purposes of this rule) blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower while another offensive player (A2) occupies that same defensive player in one of the circumstances described in subsections (1) through (10) below.

CHOP BLOCK ON PASS (ENGAGEMENT)
(1) On a forward pass play, A1 chops a defensive player while the defensive player is physically engaged above the waist by the blocking attempt of A2.

CHOP BLOCK ON PASS (AFTER ENGAGEMENT)
(2) On a forward pass play in which A2 physically engages a defensive player above the waist with a blocking attempt, A1 chops the defensive player after the contact by A2 has been broken and while A2 is still confronting the defensive player.

CHOP BLOCK ON PASS (WITH "LURE")
(3) On a forward pass play, A1 chops a defensive player while A2 confronts the defensive player in a pass-blocking posture but is not physically engaged with the defensive player (a "lure").

REVERSE CHOP BLOCK ON PASS
(4) On a forward pass play, A1 blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower, and A2, simultaneously or immediately after the block by A1, engages the defensive player high.
Note: Each of the above circumstances in subsections (1) through (4), which describes a chop-block foul on a forward-pass play, also applies on a play in which an offensive player indicates an apparent attempt to pass block but the play ultimately becomes a run.
(5) On a running play, A1 is lined up in the backfield at the snap and subsequently chops a defensive player engaged above the waist by A2, and such block occurs on or behind the line of scrimmage in an area extending laterally to the positions originally occupied by the tight end on either side.

CHOP BLOCK ON RUN (BY A LINEMAN)
(6) On a running play, A1, an offensive lineman, chops a defensive player after the defensive player has been engaged by A2 (high or low), and the initial alignment of A2 is more than one position away from A1. This rule applies only when the block occurs at a time when the flow of the play is clearly away from A1.

CHOP BLOCK ON KICKS
(7) On a kicking play, A1 chops a defensive player while the defensive player is physically engaged above the waist by the blocking attempt of A2.
(8) On a kicking play in which A2 physically engages a defensive player above the waist with a blocking attempt, A1 chops the defensive player after the contact by A2 has been broken and while A2 is still confronting the defensive player.
(9) On a kicking play, A1 chops a defensive player while A2 confronts the defensive player in a kickblocking posture but is not physically engaged with the defensive player (a "lure").
(10) On a kicking play, A1 blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower, and A2, simultaneously or immediately after the block by A1, engages the defensive player high.
Note: Each of the above circumstances in subsections (7) through (10), which describes a chop-block foul on a kicking play, also applies on a play in which an offensive player indicates an apparent attempt to kick protect, but the play ultimately becomes a run.
Penalty: For Chop Block: Loss of 15 yards.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Straight from the NFL Rulebook

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH SNAP!!!

Ringo…spitting fire and brimstone!!!

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your players got the rule wrong.

Again, what the OL was not illegal, just frowned upon.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, that’s what I’ve been saying since I was corrected by a guy who emailed me. I owned up to that.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I am not here to complain about it. I think it was a cheap move by my guys. I would have hated to see Yanda take out a great player like Hampton’s knees. Not the image I want.

IMO, the rule should be changed.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

MaLoR, look at your sig

I think that sig is kinda ironic for this discussion.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess. I don’t really see how it is. Just showcasing Yanda’s toughness.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

MaLoR, look at your sig

I think that sig is kinda ironic for this discussion.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double up

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, it is only illegal on a run play when it is from players more than 1 position away and the play is headed away from the guy doing the chop block.

With that said, it is still a dirty play to dive at someone’s legs when they are engaged NO MATTER WHAT the rules say.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't understand

why it wouldn’t be illegal no matter how far the lineman is away from the ball carrier. If someone is engaged with another player and you dive into his legs, the guy getting hit is likely to have an injury. That would be one rule I would like to see in the off season and I would support more than a fine and a penalty flag against the offender. I am talking being suspended for at least a game. I would say the same thing if the player that was the offender was a Steerler!

by steeler fever on Sep 15, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you 100%. It’s just another example of the NFL having it’s head up its ass when it comes to “player safety.”

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

I don’t know how I missed the chance to drop that line, Malor…well played…

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome line

I don’t care who you pull for thats funny.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter what the league says

Chop blocks are dirty. Just ask Ndamukong Suh how he felt after the Texas o-linemen kept chop-blocking him in the Big-12 Championship game in 2009. Bo Pelini took it up a notch from his usual craziness when he saw the refs not calling it.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. Even though it is not a written rule it seems like a general consensus is that it is dirty. Unwritten rule is that you don’t do it.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

too bad that is the only way to Ndamunkong Suh

he is just a beast

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 15, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He plays for the Lions too, so he is literally a beast

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he almost decapitated Jake Delhomme in the pre-season last year

then almost broke Jay Cutler in half with a forearm shiver to the back

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even the mighty Tom Brady could escape his wrath

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per Wikipedia

An offensive player tries to cut block a defensive player that is already being blocked by another offensive player. The second block may need to be below the thigh or knee, depending on the code.

by JDSpartan on Sep 15, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Curious. Were these just screenshots taken from the highlight of these two runs? Or did you somehow get the full game on your computer? I have been able to get Terps games on my comp from downloading them on a certain site, but never NFL games. The quality is magnificent.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

NFL Rewind has all the games

Not sure how he got the screenshots, but you can get full games through NFL.com.

Secondly, chop blocks are illegal when an offensive player and defensive player are engaged inside the tackle box, and a second offensive player blocks the defensive player in the legs.

I watched the game again, I’m sorry, Malor, you cannot argue Yanda is not illegally chopping Hampton. It’s as plain as day when you watch it back, but it’s tough to see in real time, which is probably why the officials missed it.

However, I will say I watched it with very skeptical glasses on, and outside the first quarter, I really didn’t see Yanda engage in that often – I’d even go as far as to say he didn’t do it illegally more than three times. But it did happen, and it is pretty dirty.

Yes, there are holds on every play. Holding and chop-blocking are nowhere near close to the same thing. Chop-blocking is illegal because it’s really dangerous. This is more than just the result of the game, it’s just bush-league. If you’re ok with that, then so be it. Frankly, I could care less. But players engaging in that kind of play set a bad example, and the league should do more about it, considering their crusade against helmet-to-helmet hits.

Last I checked, torn ACLs aren’t great for a guy’s future well-being either.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an illegal chop block, Neal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az_xtFyJmE

You guys should look more closely at your own before calling the Ravens dirty. Yanda is a premier guard in the league and an upstanding fellow. Foster…. not so much.

by Evan Skev on Sep 15, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's actually not...

The guy he hit isn’t engaged with anyone when he was hit. Don’t come up here not knowing what the rule is and trying to take the conversation in a different direction.

Was it dirty? Yes, it appeared to be. Not sure what Foster was trying to accomplish with that, but I do remember Ben taking a particularly late hit not long before that. I’m not gonna get into this string of plays, though, because that’s not what’s in question here, neither is Yanda’s abilities as a player. I would have called Larry Allen out for that.

That was a strategic decision, Yanda was coached to do that.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point on it being worse because it is a coaching decision and therefore a team’s idea.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean, it’s not a spontaneous thing like holding or pass interference. Clearly, Yanda’s sole purpose was to chop Hampton. That’s part of the new Ravens zone blocking scheme…so much for the big, rough-and-tough offensive linemen over there.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are not helping yourself. That’s not a chop block. Get a clue:

chop block is a foul by the offense in which one offensive player (designated as A1 for purposes of this rule) blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower while another offensive player (A2) occupies that same defensive player

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a dirty hit, but that is not a chop block

Skeevy – No one likes you on Beatdown, you will not be tolerated here. Absolutely no one cares what you think, and your only aim is to instigate. Go away little boy. Go peddle your wares on Beatdown.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, please ignore him. We are trying to get rid of him over there too.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

dang

that speaks volumes

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!!!!!!

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try to be cordial with Steelers fans. As you guys well know, he does not. We disagree on that approach.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

…as well as many other things.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except that your offensive strategy that day was to zone block our line

Thus incorporating a few chop blocks in your arsenal. Same thing the Denver Broncos used to do under Shanahan.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Rewind. 40 bucks for the season. I splurged, but don’t tell my GF.

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought girls like it when a guy splurges all the time?

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if its prematurely

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by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate it when I splurge unexpectedly

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hilarous

i’m dyin here

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question is - what's you favorite thing to splurge on?

So many different things I like to splurge on…

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like splurging on tots

Big ole, natural, tots. I enjoy tater tots a lot.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Necklaces, Pearl necklaces

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

tigole bitties?

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naturally...

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or unnaturally, I don't care

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You like to bounce around, don't you?

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer to let it fly

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just let them hang

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 16, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so you guys know,

Seattle runs ZBS & the line coach is Tom Cable. We employ cut blocking. We saw it a few times in the preseason from Robert Gallery, but that’s about it so far. He got flagged once for an illegal cut. He has been practicing and may play.

I never liked cut blocking, I hated it when Denver did it, and I hate it now. I wish it were more illegal. As Dr. Z always used to say, no cutting unless you’re face up. Eventually I’m sure we’ll get there, it will be fully illegal but just a word of warning, don’t be surprised to see it again this week.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

If you guys cut us, we'll cut you guys as well

With butcher knifes.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 15, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ravens will do anything to get ahead and beat the Steelers. Anything.

That’s why it sucks to have them in the AFC North. They are dirty cut-throat sons of bitches. And they’ve always been dirty in a way that you could tell it was coached.

Whatever, it’s the Steelers responsibility to prevail despite the worst that the purple gang can throw at them. They most definitely failed to do so on Sunday. Shutting them down in the first drive may have headed off the worst of it, but that was an ass beating waiting to happen. The 2007 Monday Night Beatdown only came after the ravens had embarrassed and brutalized the Steelers twice in 2006. It goes in cycles.

I’m just glad I was somewhat mentally prepared for some of the many worst-case scenarios that played out last week.

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by showtime on Sep 15, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

We’ll play them again, there are plenty of ways for a defense to prepare for a zone rushing attack. Besides, there were lots of other things the Ravens did to beat the Steelers in that game.

We’re past it though, they’re past it, no reason to care about any other teams than Pittsburgh and Seattle right now.

by Neal Coolong on Sep 15, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. I'm over it.

I’ve watched enough football to know to put week one in the rear view. As many say the NFL changes every 4 weeks or so. Bye week 8 things could be totally different. Injuries happen to every team, not just the Steelers.

And let’s be thankful we have an opportunity for revenge. On our turf. Get back to me in November ratbirds.

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by showtime on Sep 15, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I know why Steelers...

 were measusing the kness of players during the combine…
You have to have strong knees to play the dirty Ravens…

by UFrazzel on Sep 16, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The funny thing is Polomalu is the only player to get fined for being dirty during the game.

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by El.Dude on Sep 16, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's no birdy, that's a troll

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s only because your cheap shots aren’t against the rules, yet. That doesn’t change the fact that it is dirty. If a player is engaged with a blocker, his eyes are going to be on the ball carrier or on his blocker. Diving at his knees when he has no idea you are coming is cheap shit that only pussies do.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are being naive if you think this kind of thing doesn’t happen in every football game… on both sides.

They don’t call this type of block illegal for a reason… because offensive lines double-team nose tackles on a routine basis. That’s one of the reasons that nose-tackle is one of the hardest positions in proffesional football. Heck, I see guys go high and low on Ngata all the time.

I know you guys aren’t use to O-lines man-handling your defense, but that doesn’t mean you should turn to sour grapes like this.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rewatched the entire game, specifically focusing on the OL. The Steelers never chop blocked an engaged defender.

The Steelers did their double teams on Ngata and Cody by engaging them high with both the G and C. I never saw a high low combination.

This is not sour grapes. It’s dirty and bush league.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s dirty if it’s technically legal. The league obviously wrote the rules to allow for linemen to execute this type of block. I personally think it is dangerous and the league should look at eliminating it, but until they do, you cannot blame players for playing within the rules as they are written.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hines Ward

For years his hits were legal, yet he was labeled the dirtiest player in the NFL

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preach On Brother!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes… and I’ve used that as an example in many of my comments here.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a fine line.

Look, at the time Ward hit Rivers I thought it was awesome. Once they showed the replay a few times and I was kind of torn by it. While legal, it just didn’t seem right. Do I think it was dirty? I don’t know. It is hard to think of your own players, especially legends, as dirty. I think that’s where you all sit right now. Whether or not it is legal, it just doesn’t seem right. It doesn’t make sense that it is legal on a run play and illegal on a pass.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know

I was always taught to keep my head on a swivel if I didn’t want to lose it. Ward was never (that I personally have seen) hitting folks in the back, they just weren’t looking his way, but were and this is the crucial part – in a position to make a play on the ball. Take the Rivers hit – he likely would have made the tackle were it not for Ward’s hit.
Now they have change the rule and made people in pads getting paid 25 times the average Joe’s salalry at a minimum – defensless.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably feel the same way about the chop blocks as you did about the hit on Rivers. The chop blocks are dangerous, but it’s hard to think badly of Yanda, who is one of the toughest, hardest-working guys on the team. It’s also easy to justify it because it’s legal, but there is something that ’doesn’t seem right’ as you said.

Either way, I’m tired of talking about this game. I don’t think this post is as ‘sour grapes’ as I did when I first read it. I can see that you guys are just bringing attention to the issue, but even you must admit that there has been a ton of sour grapes from the Steelers fan base after this game… and stories like this, even if they have good intentions, fuel that. That’s basically why it pissed me off at first.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a shitty loss for us, so people aren’t going to react positively. Outside of a few people, I think the majority of us have done well as not to piss one another off.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least you don’t have guys that troll the members of their own board.

Jeez, I miss the days before those idiots showed up.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to block a certain someone on twitter, because I didn’t want to read his crap he was tweeting me every other minute.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s Harbaugh’s take on the ‘chop block’…

“The blocking scheme we’re talking about is one that almost every team in the National Football League runs,” Harbaugh said. "We’ve been running it for years. Some teams do it better than others. The block is absolutely legal. It’s 100 percent ethical and there is no danger whatsoever with the way the block is being executed because it’s the in front.

“An adjacent offensive lineman on a run play that’s away can cut the next defender. It’s the defender’s responsibility to not hold the center and keep him from getting up on the linebacker who the center is trying to block and expose himself. It’s his job to let that guy go and defend himself. So, if you choose to keep that center off that linebacker then you’re choosing to make yourself vulnerable to being cut in front. So, just play defense.”

This is what you would expect the head coach to say, but it does make some sense. He’s basically saying that it’s the nose tackle’s responsibility to release the center if he’s being blocked low. The obvious problem is if the center is holding the nose tackle. Otherwise, his logic works.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of that explanation. He is basically saying submit to giving us the advantage on the play or we are going to dive at your knees. And just because it is legal, doesn’t make it ethical, Harbaugh. Crack back blocks were once legal. Spearing was once legal. Hits to the head were once legal.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that it’s not necessarily ethical if it’s legal.

He is basically saying submit to giving us the advantage on the play or we are going to dive at your knees.

That ‘advantage’ should be equal since both teams can do it. The only issue here is player safety in my mind.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, think about it this way…

There are plenty of situations in the game where a player is technically responsible to protect himself. Think of a running back carrying the ball… If he doesn’t learn how to take a hit, he’s going to have a short career. That’s basically saying that he can’t just run however he wants… he has to concede his style to what is practical for the game.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point, but I guess my beef would be it’s much harder to see a chop block coming.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same can be said of a linebacker nailing a running-back… Sometimes it boils down to learning good technique that protects you when reactions can’t. If the Ravens are blocking Hampton high and low, that means he’s doing his job. Even if they’re technically negating his presence, he’s still taking up two linemen. That’s a win for the defense in my opinion.

Also, I’ve read a bit about why the rules were written to allow for adjacent linemen to execute this technique. Apparently, it’s something that zone blocking schemes do all the time, so when Harbaugh said that it’s done all the time, he’s not just blowing smoke. It also makes sense because Cam Cameron said that he’d be using much more zone blocking schemes this offseason.

Here’s an interesting quote

The linemen of some teams that use zone blocking schemes have been criticized for their penchant for cut blocking the knees of defenders, sometimes away from the play. Cut blocks are illegal in the open field and when a defensive player is engaged by another offensive player.

Legal cut blocks should be aimed at the opposing player’s waist or hip. Although some consider the technique unsportsmanlike because of the risk of serious injury, when taught and applied correctly it is a very effective tactic. In fact, some defensive players employ the technique to eliminate blockers so other defenders can make the tackle.

Also, I went back and reviewed that infamous play…




After re-watching it, I think it’s pretty clear that Yanda was targeting Hampton’s hip instead of his knees (the second picture shows that clearly)… that is how a clean inside cut-block should be executed. Obviously, this doesn’t explain all the blocks in the whole game, but I do think a clean cut-block does have a place in football -especially in a zone-blocking scheme.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That last picture is pretty evident that the majority of his power goes right into his knee. I think it’s even more evident by the higher quality pics I have above.

I think cut blocks have a place in the game when the player is not engaged up high. Otherwise, I think it should be illegal.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true… anyone who’s taken a class in dynamics knows that almost all impact energy is expended upon initial contact. In this case, it’s clear that he impacted his hip first… then fell to the ground at his feet. Your pictures are misleading due to the angle. The overhead view is much more telling.

The only way Hampton is going to be injured by a cut block in this manner is if a blocker impacts his knees first… it’s really that simple. The blocker’s impact to his hip ensures that he cannot fall straight onto his knee.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is my angle misleading and your angle is not? You cannot see when he makes impact from either angle. And I’m not fluid in dynamic, but that sounds like you are talking about a head on collision? Are you honestly telling me that a 300+ pound man took a dive at someones legs and stopped dead in the air (like in a cartoon) and just fell straight down? That’s some looney toons you’re watching.

You’re seeing things the way you want to see them and that’s fine. Like I said, you don’t want to see your player in a bad light. That’s fine. Just don’t expect me to buy what you are selling. These are not ethical hits and should be illegal.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, fine… You don’t have to buy it on this play if you don’t want to. All I’m saying is that a cut block is perfectly safe as long as the offensive lineman targets the hip of the defender. That’s all I’m saying. That play was only an example even if it wasn’t the best… The point is that a clean cut-block has a place in professional football.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Safe?

so in that last screen its not entirely possible for Yanda to roll on hampton’s ankle?

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That could happen without a cut-block.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bet it could happen

none the less.

therefore its not perfectly safe.

Just sayin.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen guys fall backwards onto other players trying to block the edge rush… does that mean we should make blocking an edge rusher illegal? That logic does not work.

You cannot consider the multiplication of events… only the immediate danger of the block itself should be in judgement, and I’ve already shown that it’s a safe block if executed correctly.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

My logic is fine

you are not using logic sir.

Let me break it down to you.

Is it perfectly safe….. No.

Is it legal…. Yes.

Those two are not mutually exclusive.

These are two different arguments you’re trying to have here.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s very simple… a cut-block is safe when the hip is targeted.

It is unsafe when the knees are targeted.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

why can’t you admit that even if the hip is targeted a cut block can still be dangerous.

Anytime you aiming below the waist there is danger in that.

From ankles to knees man, anything can happen when 300+ lbs dudes are on the ground while another 300+ lb dude is fighting off a 300 + lb dude.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever you say, man.

At this point, this argument is no longer worthwhile.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

its just pretty simple to me

Football is a dangerous sport. Period.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks to me hampton`s knee is buckling as yanda`s pads are clearly below hampton`s hip. apparently the titans see the same things as the steelers players did

by md.lambert on Sep 16, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harbaugh

is a smug douche anyways.

Nothing he says has credibility in my eyes. Carry on.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feel the same way about Tomlin. He is just as big of a douche.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

you bsin now

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t need to justify shit, I don’t like Mike Tomlin.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. I don’t like him. I don’t like the way he talks, way he thugs it out on the sideline, just don’t like him.

Don’t like his little metaphors and how he unleashed rainbows and flowers in December or whatever he did.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

like i said you bsing

Doesn’t bother me one bit. If you don’t like tomlin something is wrong with you not tomlin.

Tomlin is the zenith of cool. Not because he’s the Steelers coach but because he’s Mike freekin’ Tomlin.

You’re ignorance has no relevance to his cool.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And what is your reasoning for Harbaugh being a douche Mr. Bias?

Because he complains about dumb ass calls to the refs? Because he doesn’t like losing and speaks his minds?

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind him point out errors

in judgement of referrees. Every coach does that.

No coach likes losing.

These are extreme concepts and straw man arguments.

I don’t like Harbaugh because he is a douche. He is a big smug douche.

I think what best sums it up is on MNF he was being interviewed before the game and he was going on and on about how his players knew how to play the right kind of football, how they weren’t dirty, and they didn’t do late hits and things of that nature. He was so confident that his team was so ethically and morally better than any of team in the NFL.

It was sicking. Then revolting when his team played on MNF and had several personal fouls called against them for late hits and unnecessary roughness.

Look I understand you don’t your players to do that kind of stuff but at least admit that sometimes it happens. Instead of being so arrogant and smug as if you’re never wrong and above everyone else. Thats why I don’t like him, I don’t like him as a person and I wouldn’t like him even if he coached the Steelers.

I prefer Tomlin’s style. I don’t mind the comments, most of them are very clever. But he is honest, and he will admit when his team makes mistakes.

Harbaugh is a good coach but is still a douche. Call me bias all I want, their just words on a computer screen to me. Mr. Sensitive.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take the internet very seriously bud, so watch your mouth.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

its all good Malor.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a cooler pair of aviators than Tomlin. I hope he wears them during night games, that’s the cool thing to do and Tomlin is as cool as the other side of my ass.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cultural difference

I wear shades at night time all the time. Its style son, let me introduce you to some game.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the words of Craig in Friday “I gots ALL da game”

I got so much game, they are naming the next video game system after me.

It’s called MaLoRtari

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what is this cultural differen crap? But I watch Oprah everyday?

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Ew Oprah, terrible show.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

5pm, friday. Good day BTSC and especially my boy tann. Hypnotiq and Stella Artois all night.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was sickened by that NFL video last year showing proper tackles and they showed ray lewis and that guy was talking about how perfect his technique was

and then of course James Harrison who is portrayed as a ruthless, undisciplined menace who’s only game is to hurt people. But I remember this:

I think what best sums it up is on MNF he was being interviewed before the game and he was going on and on about how his players knew how to play the right kind of football, how they weren’t dirty, and they didn’t do late hits and things of that nature. He was so confident that his team was so ethically and morally better than any of team in the NFL.

It was sicking

There has been a lot of vomit inducing nonsense in the NFL the last couple years.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean this tackle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEynxp_9VqY

Yes, it was perfect technique.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

boy your on point tonight

Tomlin is much cooler than harbaugh.

The whole chop block thing to me was pretty smart though. First game of the season, first series against a hated rival. You bust out a technique that you apparently haven’t used lately. Takes the Steelers by surprise and before they can adjust you’ve drawn first blood in that shark tank you call a stadium. Then you pretty much stop using it, but the D has already been put on notice and is off balance from it. And you have the momentum. Pretty good strategy.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 16, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool story bro.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sensing some sarcasm

so why don’t you go ahead and kiss my ass?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 17, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

harbaugh

" i`m glad we broke his nose" total pos

by md.lambert on Sep 16, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one big thing I don’t like that Harbaugh always does is when the Ravens lose he always states that they gave the game away. He may give credit to the other team, but he does it begrudgingly and with caveats. Something like, “they played well, but we gave the game to them”. I don’t recall hearing Tomlin ever saying anything that.

You also won’t hear Tomlin stating that the Steeler fans should go cheer for someone else like Harbaugh said about the Ravens fans.

Man I hope the Ravens implode on that smug dickhead the rest of the season.

by worldtrip on Sep 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I was the only one.

Harbaugh is one smug, smarmy piece of work. This coming from a Steeler fan who actually likes the Dark Lord in New England.

by jglo on Sep 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's a bit strange.

I have a soft spot for crotchety old genuises! He is a real student of the game and has a real passion for its rich history. Now his team & especially his QB, my hate knows no bounds.

by jglo on Sep 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

I am not alone.
Their fans even hated when he said that. But blind allegiance I guess and all.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a total load of crap and another black mark on the league's fairness record, too.

If the NFL was truly playing fair when it came to fines, they would have fined Oher for throwing a punch, too — and his was entirely unprovoked!

by Mike Frazer on Sep 16, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, get the fuck out.

Second of all, league fines are disgustingly inconsistent, so basing your argument of “who is more dirty” on that is pretty stupid.

by Riddlah. on Sep 16, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correction, for a horse-collar.

My comparison is irrelevant — but wait! I believe it was Sanders(?) who was also dragged down via a horse-collar tackle? Where is the fine for that one?

by Mike Frazer on Sep 16, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

b/c the NFL found a new bandwagon to lay it's nutz upon next to the Patriots...

welcome in the Green Bay Packers…where all of the experts believe will have a 10 year dominance in the NFL…e’ffin B/S!!!

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

salty nutz

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"In Hoc Signo Vinces!" (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!) -Constantine I

by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll remember that next time someone mentions a certain incident.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Sep 17, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

What 18-1?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 17, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before that.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Sep 17, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Darryl Stingley?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 17, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

She could join my Driveby

Ride or Die foo!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

might want to check out who else got fined in that game, clue for you he wasn`t wearing black and gold

by md.lambert on Sep 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i`ll give you a clue, someone else is getting fined for being dirty and he wasn`t wearing black and gold. take off your purple glasses and check your own team out.

by md.lambert on Sep 16, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody getting fined

In addition to the $15,000 fine levied against Steelers safety Troy Polamalu, CB Ike Taylor was fined $15,000 Friday for unnecessary roughness for unnecessarily head-butting an opponent on a run play. In the same game, Ravens LB Brendon Ayanbadejo was fined $15,000 for unnecessary roughness for a horse collar tackle on a special teams play.

"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

A headbutt is now equal to a horsecollar. While I do think there should be repercussions for Taylor – $15,000 for a tap, I would rather, they just come out and say $15,000 for unsportsmanlike conduct, cause that is what it really was – he didn’t do any damage nudging his helmet. These fines really need some boundaries and constraints, way too random in the application.

"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Player safety?

Is there any play in football that has a higher likelihood of a player being seriously (possibly carreer ending) injured than the chop block? I can’t think of one. Yet they allow it to happen repeatedly? Even if the ref did see it, the rules seem to skew it into a judgement call, and that is just plain wrong. It should just be illegal across the board. I realize it happens pretty fast, but interior OL aren’t usually diving forward. This could be a clue to the refs. And I’m not just saying this because it happened against the Steelers, btw. I’ve felt this way for a long time.

"If we weren't all crazy we'd all go insane" - Jimmy Buffett

by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

This is disappointing. I cannot believe that the Steelers and their fans are whining this much.

The fact is that the Ravens were not illegally blocking the Steelers in the game. Sure, maybe it is a bit dangerous, but how is it any more dangerous than Ward blindsiding defensive players that are away from the play.

All the arguments that you guys are using against the Ravens’ chop blocks were used against Ward’s blindside blocks before they were made illegal… Are they dangerous? Yes. Are they legal? Yes, so we don’t care. Steelers fans use to get so pissed (and still do) about other teams whining about Ward’s blindside blocks, and now you guys are whining about chop blocks that were technically legal? That’s laughable.

This all just seems so hypocritical… especially since the Steelers were complaining just last season about the commissioner making them play ‘soft’ because he was fining them for hard hits. Now, the Steelers are whining because a team was too rough with them? Give me a break.

I think the Ravens just gave the Steelers a taste of their own medicine, and they didn’t like it.

Let’s move on, guys. You’re just embarrassing yourselves and the great legacy of your team.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like you were doing the same thing about the Ward hits.

So when did you move on from it? When they made it illegal?

"If we weren't all crazy we'd all go insane" - Jimmy Buffett

by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never really had much to say about them because I knew that they were technically legal.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just shut it up

This is our blog, we do what we want. If we were coming over to beatdown and crying about it then I understand.

But you can kiss my ass about some embarrassing ourselves, as much crap we have to hear about a little 5’10 WR busting up your defense.

Whether the blocks were illegal to me doesn’t matter, this post is need to bring awareness to what the Ravens were doing. This also shows why they were successful in their game plan. Its dirty pool but I expect nothing better from the Ravens. The Steelers (defense) don’t play dirty, whether you like it or not. Harrison makes that clear, they don’t dive at people knees. That can be career ending.

either way go back to beat down with your condescension and enjoy your super bowl.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

For real!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever, man. I didn’t say anything that wasn’t true. This whole idea that the Ravens only had success because they were chop blocking shows incredible ignorance about the game of football. That’s the argument I was calling out.

The blocks probably had an effect on the game, but you guys are fooling yourselves if you believe that illegal blocks were the sole reason that the Ravens were having success. The run in the example above was run off-tackle, where McKinnie (cleanly) blocked and pancaked two Steelers defenders. THAT was the reason why Rice got 36 yards… not the chop block.

If it makes you feel better to believe that the Ravens only had success because they were playing dirty, go right ahead and believe that ignorance. You’re right. I have no place telling you what you can/cannot believe, but I have every right to comment here if I want to. We (myself in partcular) have been very welcoming in the past on this site and the Baltimore site. I certainly have never told a Steeler’s fan to ‘kiss my ass’ on our site.

I was just calling out the idea that the Ravens were only successful because of these blocks… which is pure ignorance and sour grapes.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

The ignorance is that you put the words “only” and “sole” reasons in your post above about 4 times. From what I see, most of the comments on here are saying something to the effect of “yes, you guys did chop block and yes, it was dirty, but you still dominated the game.” Of course we are going to have some sour grapes from that game, but football ignorance is not something often seen on these threads. You’re the only one who said it was the only reason you guys had success.

"If we weren't all crazy we'd all go insane" - Jimmy Buffett

by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re the only one who said it was the only reason you guys had success.

That may be true, but it’s certainly the inference drawn from this post and subsequent comments. It seems to be the sentiment of most Steelers fans commenting here. If you want to focus on four words of my comment, then I can summarize the inference of the comments and sentiments of the fans.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the inference drawn from this post?

Or is that the inference you’ve drawn from this post? Because there is a difference.

"If we weren't all crazy we'd all go insane" - Jimmy Buffett

by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as you recognize that an inference is derived from the person hearing what is being said (written), as opposed to something being implied, which comes from the speaker (writer). You are inferring something that is not being implied.

by worldtrip on Sep 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

worldtrip you gotta break it down for him man, he can't grasp that

Let me help you out: BAL_Hawk when you make an assumption you an ASS out of U and UMPTION.

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Bal_Hawk is pretty bright, and balanced in his judgements, and is actually being attacked in a rather unreasonable way. I do think there are a few of the people on here who have made comments that would lead one to infer that they do think these blocks made the difference between the team losing vs. winning. I just don’t like that he is painting us all with the same brush, including those who specifically stated that it wouldn’t have made a difference in final outcome.

I’m also amazed that chop blocking a lineman while he is engaged with another player is at all legal. I am absolutely stunned to have learned that during this whole discussion.

by worldtrip on Sep 16, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that as well. I think it should be illegal, but you cannot blame the Ravens for it since it is legal.

If anything, you have to ask why the Steelers weren’t using this tactic on Ngata (assuming they weren’t).

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. So, because of your assumption and conclusion jumping, we all believe that? Do you realize how asinine that is?

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand people being mad that I lumped everyone into a generalization. I typically don’t do that, and for that, I apologize. I completely understand that there are a wide range of opinions on this blog, and I appreciate the diversity… I really do.

That being said, there was a prevailing opinion that the Ravens only won because they were playing dirty. That was what I was attempting to address, and here’s the point…

If you don’t believe the argument that I was challenging, why are you mad?

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make no mistake hawk, we got whopped

and although I doubt it, it MAY have made a game impact – that we can never know.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

MD

The we got whopped statement is exactly what people like hawk and malor are on here for. They can’t get enough of it. It is their sole purpose for being here is to elicit that kind of response. Just feeding their very small egos with such statements. Hell they heard it out of a lot of Steelers this week. Let me ask you something MD.

If the Steelers would have whopped the Ravens last Sunday, would you be on almost a week later instigating stuff with their fans. Hell I wouldn’t have went over there at all. Something wrong with people like that in a psychological sense. I know they are welcome here and all. I guess. I see where they add nothing to the site or to the conversation.

Whether they agree with me or not, their actions and comments are showing just as much poor sportsmanship as their Ravens team did last Sunday. I know they will say and even some STeeler fans will say that we are just having a discussion. Bullshit! A real man when his team beats another guys team, might say something one time in a joking manner and move on. A punk keeps it going and going and going. And the reason the punk does it is to try to increase his low sense of self esteem that he derives from the team he cheers for.

by steeler fever on Sep 16, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether they agree with me or not, their actions and comments are showing just as much poor sportsmanship as their Ravens team did last Sunday. I know they will say and even some STeeler fans will say that we are just having a discussion. Bullshit! A real man when his team beats another guys team, might say something one time in a joking manner and move on. A punk keeps it going and going and going. And the reason the punk does it is to try to increase his low sense of self esteem that he derives from the team he cheers for.

Get off you high horse. If the Steelers had ‘whooped’ the Ravens, there would have been plenty of trash talkers on our site immediately after the game. Also, you honestly can’t expect to title an article ‘Dirty Birds’ without getting some attention from Ravens fans, so get over yourself.

I’m so tired of hear about the superior class of Steelers fans. That is a bunch of arrogant, haughty bull crap. For ever good fan, there will be the type of fan that will write a ‘suck it’ post. There are those fans in every fan base.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 17, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 thing

to be on right after the game. Thats when a little smack talk is expected. Its good fun. You need to reread what I wrote and look in the mirror instead of being defensive. Is this really the type of person and fan you want to be? cuz where I come from we call this sort of behavior being a punk. Just think about it. And remember 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

by steeler fever on Sep 17, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s nothing ‘wrong’ about what I said. I simply pointed out the arrogance of your statement.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 17, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear yah Fever

MaLoR has his moments, but for the most part is insightful and fair, Hawk is generally EXTREMELY well behaved and fair.
As for me, just calling it like I see it, we got whooped, and no, I would not be hanging out a week later to talk about the last game. But it is past tense, now we are onto Indy, hopefully we can pitch another shut out!
We also have the “benefit” of having a couple of trolls with Steeler names that stir up shit on their boards after losses, but contribute nothing here on our side – that just gets them angry and looking to come over here and defend themselves.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because this is my article that I wrote. You said:

it’s certainly the inference drawn from this post and subsequent comments
You are clearly pointing me out, because I wrote the post. That leads me to think you didn’t read a damn word on here and you just went into a rant based on an assumption. This is literally the only thing I said that comes even close:
I’m curious how well the Ravens running game would have done without this tactic that forced the Steelers to adjust their DL.
I didn’t say you would not have run that well. I didn’t say you would not have played well. I didn’t say you would not have beaten us.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, I admit that I should have over-simplified and assumed everyone’s opinions here. Clearly, not everyone holds the opinion that I was arguing against. I shouldn’t have assumed that everyone believed it, but that doesn’t make the opinion that I was arguing against any less ignorant or my argument any less valid… only misdirected.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

And that was the point I was trying to make to you. However, you’re misdirection was aimed at about 20 ppl, including the author of this post, instead of maybe one or two people.
If you had responded to those individuals, rather than drawing a generalized “inference”, then you probably wouldn’t have had to defend yourself to this extent.

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The chop blocks are not an excuse
That being said, there was a prevailing opinion that the Ravens only won because they were playing dirty. That was what I was attempting to address, and here’s the point…</blockquote

When I hear prevailing, I think of a majority. I do not see the “prevailing” opinion being voiced here. We are commenting on how it may have effected the players because they had to worry about their knees, but not how we lost the game because of it. Plain and simple we got our asses whooped like the new kid in school.

Maybe the opinion about this that is prevailing is over on the beatdown, complaining about our “supposed” whining about the blocks here. Just a thought.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW, only intended to quote the first two lines

not sure what happened there

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This whole idea that the Ravens only had success because they were chop blocking shows incredible ignorance about the game of football. That’s the argument I was calling out.

Did you even read the damn article or any of the subsequent comments?

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that’s why I commented. Anything else?

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly did not.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you read anything I wrote?

There is plenty that you said that wasn’t true.

One, there is no embarrassment in delving into the game plan of the opposite team. Seeing the blocking scheme they employed and observing the success of that scheme.

Two, as has already been pointed out majority of the people here was not saying that those blocks were the sole reason for the Ravens success.

Three, you have to admit that it did play some role in the Ravens success. McKinnie was about to block two defenders because Hampton was taken out of the play. Otherwise, Hampton would have continued down the line and may have gotten a hand on rice. Or forced McKinnie to block him. It changes the entire make up of a play. To blissfully ignore this concept is ignorant.

Four, I never said you couldn’t comment here. Just don’t complain about what we post here.

Five, I am normally welcoming, but your condescension was over top to me. Anytime you go on another teams blog and tell them they are embarrassing themselves, whining, and being hypocritical. Expect some backlash. There are better ways to convey your thoughts than using words that hold heavy pathos, they will illicit a response.

Remember Pathos, Logos, Ethos. Ethos is your audience, remember who you are writing to. You can say the same thing on the beatdown and every one will laugh with you. Not here. Pathos, remember the words you use have meanings to them. Meanings vary according to context and audience. These meanings hold a emotional spark to them, set off the wrong emotions you will get an undesired reaction. Logos, which is logic, which you do pretty well at except for the minor corrections I mentioned above.

Follow these rules and you can say what you want and not have to worry about a huge backlash.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three, you have to admit that it did play some role in the Ravens success. McKinnie was about to block two defenders because Hampton was taken out of the play. Otherwise, Hampton would have continued down the line and may have gotten a hand on rice. Or forced McKinnie to block him. It changes the entire make up of a play. To blissfully ignore this concept is ignorant.

A well-executed cut block is an important part of a zone blocking scheme, which many other teams use, and I doubt Hampton is going to make the play even if Yanda doesn’t make that cut block. Either way, that’s speculation, and it doesn’t matter since the NFL allows those types of blocks.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he would make the play bud, that is all the great Steelers do, make plays. Look how many they made on Sunday without us cheating them?

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hampton is a good player

are you surprised?

Are you trying say otherwise?

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just trying to say that we will never know will we? But to say that Rice would have never gotten that 36 yard gain is a bit out of line.

All gravey though, he will just put up 175 on yall in November. Poor Timmons was getting turned around all game.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I say that?

I never said Rice would have never gotten his yards.

Reading is good for you.

I say Hampton MAY have made the play.

You’re just arguing for argument sake.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading is good for you.

Dude, I stopped reading the articles and comments about 4 months after I joined SBN. I typically now just look at every 5th word or so or look for catch words such as “ignorant, classless, lucky, refs, stabby stab mcstabster, etc.” and take my comment from there.

"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

so whats the point of your rebuttal

So what, I’m speculating. And so are you but ‘doubting’ that Hampton was going to make the play.

Lets put it this way. If hampton hadn’t been known to effect those type of plays they wouldn’t have been chop/cut blocking him.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he’s a good player. That doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed to fight through four offensive lineman to make the play… especially after those four linemen put the whole right side of the defense on their butt.

The most impressive performance on that play was McKinnie pancaking Harrison and the MLB. The real question on that play isn’t how does the offense stop Hampton… it’s how does the defense stop McKinnie.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

no sir.

the real question is how long is it before harrison is 100% so he can run circles around McKinnie like he did when McKinnie was with the vikings.

McKinnie didn’t magically become a new player with you. He is the same guy that holds as much as he can as he was with the Vikes. He just only got called for it once last Sunda, it was so egregious that they had to throw that flag.

I just can’t wait until Nov 6. You’ll see, Harrison should be back to normal by then. If he still handles him then, then I’ll give him props.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKinnie didn’t magically become a new player with you.

He is playing at the lightest weight he’s been at since college and in a different scheme… probably one that fits his style better too. People were saying that he’d suck before this game… I’d be careful underestimating him again.

I just can’t wait until Nov 6. You’ll see, Harrison should be back to normal by then.

He’s 33 recovering from back surgery. I wouldn’t bet on it but sure hope so for his sake.

If he still handles him then, then I’ll give him props.

I’ll hold you to it.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I won't back down either.

If he does, I’ll own up to it.

If he doesn’t then you wan’t hear anything for me, most likely we would have won and thats all I need. Not talking smack to fans.

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Webslasher81 on Sep 16, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty lame

First of all, bringing up the “hard hits” argument is just stupid. We still want hard hits and you didn’t see any of us complain about Johnson’s big hit on Ward. Neither did any of the players, especially not Ward. Had that hit been reversed you would have seen mountains of complaints form Ravens fans about Ward being dirty, but instead they celebrate it because their guy had a big hit. Get the hell out of here with that hypocrite BS.

And on the Ward thing I agree with what Tanno said.

You’re the one embarrassing yourself here.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typical… You snipe off the weakest argument that I made while ignoring those that are valid in order to simply ‘win’ the argument and make yourself look smarter. Why do I even bother?

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re full of it today.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You called my comment lame while failing to address any of its main points. That’s lame, and you’re full of yourself.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would I just resay what Tanno just did?

Whether the blocks were illegal to me doesn’t matter, this post is need to bring awareness to what the Ravens were doing. This also shows why they were successful in their game plan. Its dirty pool but I expect nothing better from the Ravens. The Steelers (defense) don’t play dirty, whether you like it or not. Harrison makes that clear, they don’t dive at people knees. That can be career ending.

either way go back to beat down with your condescension and enjoy your super bowl.

That’s why I said:

And on the Ward thing I agree with what Tanno said.
I already wrote a paper this week for a class, I didn’t feel the need to rewrite something in different words again.

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it's legal, then fantastic

Just be prepared to see Ngata on IR if your team intends to push blocking this far into the grey area. If it’s legal for Baltimore to do it, then it’s legal for the Steelers and every other team to use the exact same approach to contain Ngata.

If I were you, I’d start praying that the refs decide to reinterpret the rule. It’s better for your team to get more penalty yards and adjust their own play than to have Ngata paying the price when the opponents look for a little payback.

by lkwdsteel on Sep 21, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So how bout dem Orioles?

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Terps is all Black this week...

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Mounties!!!

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

GTFO my post!

lol

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I’m a little worried though

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got tickets!

Hells yeah! I’ll be there for Danny’s 600 yard game. Eat that Brady

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where your seats?

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got my parents seats. Not sure where, but it’s one of the places that comes with free food!

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

WVU vs Maryland

Shootout?

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably, our defense is not good

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dig it!

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be there tomorrow, gonna be nuts! First game back as a graduate, sitting in student section for sure.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw the orioles

Go Terps!

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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Mounties!!!

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny O’Brien has more teeth in his mouth than all of Morgantown.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just wrong

lol

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by PixburghArn on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to see the truth about WV stereotypes...

Then watch the Wild Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. These people will blow your mind. It was produced by Johnny Knoxville. I almost wish it wasn’t out there, but it’s too good for people not to see. I am secure enough in my West Virginiahood to recommend this movie!

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny O'Brien has awoke from his coma that Bruce Irvin put him in last year

that’s news to me

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it with Steeler fans and not WVU fans bringing up the past as to being relevant to the now?

That is just as bad as flaunting Clarke knocking out Willis.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it with Baltimore

still celebrating their win against the steelers last sunday.

Bringing up the past as to being relevant to the now?

That’s just as bad as flaunting a Super Bowl ring you won 10 years ago.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it with Steeler fans still complaining about the Ravens win last Sunday?

Damn bafoons.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No complains here

just taking notes.

Either way the point is that all you can bring up is the past. Unless an actual game is going on. You can’t talk about the future obviously because it hasn’t occurred yet.

So all you can do is bring up the past. Its where you want to draw the arbitrary line at. Either way its all subjective.

And I still like to see the Steelers take Danny O’brien in the draft two years from now. He’ll be our back up for when Ben retires.

:)

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 16, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Danny becomes a Steeler, I might actualyl buy his jersey. He is my 2nd hero next to Joe.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would much rather have Geno Smith

he somehow made Jeff Mullens’ offense look credible

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 16, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break

1. The only reason U and Hawk are here is because you know the Ravens fans are lame. Period. You would rather hang with us.

2. Yall keep coming on here instigating these conversations for your own personal amusement and sense of low self-esteem. Gotta get your ego boost for the day don’t ya.

3. Only a real buffoon would call the BEST fans in the world buffoon when he can’t even spell buffoon.

4. Kiss my black and gold ass Mr. Malor.

5. Get a life!

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by steeler fever on Sep 16, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know Ryan Clarke the WVU FB played for the Steelers that year

and no it’s not, the LT shouldn’t have been terrible at his job

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grrrrrr, I have no response…… : (

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there it is

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by WVSteel6SB on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m commenting to say i can take any baltimore fan in a round of verbal fisticuffs!

by klompus on Sep 16, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I just called for the Wambulance to show up to this thread, it is definitely needed.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are slowly crossing the dick line and nothing else

if you have point to make, make them, don’t just hover and poop – have something to say. Otherwise, you are no better than Skeevy.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, my point is that what we did was not illegal, it happens in everygame, and shut up about it. FOCUS ON SEATTLE!

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean damn, the only thread I have seen on this page regarding your next game is the damn Q&A posted by one of their people.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what would YOU write about seattle?

by klompus on Sep 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

this, there isn’t much to say about them…. they suck

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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seattle is a different post...

We are on to them too.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get to my computer for the first time today

And I find all of these comments. What is a man supposed to do?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 16, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

ketchup man!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 16, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL no thanks

I cant believe the Ravens fans are actually using the rule book to justify whether it was right to chop block us. You can tell who played football beyond jr high and high school with some posts.

But I guess a horse collar is as bad as launching yourself into someone’s knee sideways. Amateurs.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

SC……The nation needed us and we were no where to be found : (

Gentlemen its back to the grindstone for me next week and probably for a while. I will try to get on in the evening a little and a little on the weekend. Been a nice summer. We will win #7 this season. Guaranteed!

by steeler fever on Sep 16, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ravens fan tried to make this as an excuse for this. I this true or just BS?

Pro Football Talk was sent the official rule from a league source: "On a running play, A1, an offensive lineman, chops a defensive player after the defensive player has been engaged by A2 (high or low), and the initial alignment of A2 is more than one position away from A1. The rule applies only when the block occurs at a time when the flow of the play is clearly away from A1

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 16, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t see what the big deal is

can someone explain it to me please

by Evan Skev on Sep 17, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

If someone took aout Ngata’s knees like that I bet your ass would see how it’s a big deal.

by Riddlah. on Sep 17, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And let Ngata tear an ACL

lets see how they feel then.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

ngatas acls are most likely made of titanium or somesuch

by klompus on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

U R a Ravens fan and you stank! Besides that this has been a great post and a ratbird lover is not gonna get the last comment! We are great, yall suck end of explanation : )

by steeler fever on Sep 17, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

as usual Goodell sees what he wants to see and Steelersget ready “its started”

by chip on Sep 18, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  


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