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It's all about the Benjamin - A take on the O-line's importance

Coming off a great win against Seattle, it's hard to get too upset about anything. However, there was one moment where millions of lungs held still. A moment I would have rather not had. And if my reaction was any sort of national indicator, a lot of profanity and substance abuse followed in the next few minutes.

Of course I'm talking about Ben's close call on Sunday. We all saw his knee bend in, and I know what most of you were thinking: "Oh my god our season'' If that thought didn't cross your mind, you were either blitzed too hard to realize what was happening or you're related to Charlie Batch.

I wanted to make a little poast to help us gather just how important Big Ben is to our team at the moment, and what we need to do to make sure he stays alive. So that we stay alive.

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As soon as Ben went down my mind flashed to a report I had read earlier in the week. That report was that Hines Ward was taking snaps as a QB. Now at the moment it seemed kinda silly, but suddenly it became a very real thought. Hines was one more blitz on a passing play from having to play QB. Maybe that's why the team didn't call any passes when Batch came in. Usually they let Batch throw it on 3rd down, but they didn't even try. Usually he doesn't pass until Ben's status is known. I've noticed that Batch always comes in and handsoff the first series or so. 

 

This was a real shocker to me and I feel I have to point this out. Dixon was injured and didn't practice, but it was kept pretty quiet. He was inactive for the game. We know Leftwich is already gone for the year. So at the moment Batch is our #2. Now while I like Batch, he's clearly fragile and isn't much of an epic game winner. He has played great for us in situational moments and one week stints, but how many games do you think we win this year if he's the starter? Enough to win the playoffs? Hell, Enough to make the division? I doubt it. Even if he had to just cover half a season, how many of those games do we win? 4 or 5? Maybe. Again, I doubt more than .500. Ben is a good .700.

 

And that doesn't even consider the affect it would have on playcalling. Batch isn't going to get lucky on too many deep bombs like he did against Tampa Bay last year. And he's not going to scramble around and find a receiver on a rollout. He'd be sacked quite a bit given the current state of our O-line. If he could even complete all the games, he'd still be a lot less effective only from a physical standpoint. His throwing is solid but even so it's not perfectly accurate nor is it a fast laser like Ben's. Consider that dropped pick yesterday, does that happen if it's a Batch pass? I'd wager it goes back inside the 20.

I'm not trying to scare-monger here, but it's a valid point.

Ben has managed to stay alive so far, and we've dodged our share of bullets. This happened before against San Diego and Ben actually had to sit a few games. We still came back to win that year but it could have been worse. Much worse. The question becomes this: How much beating can a man take as he gets older?  Ben isn't a fossil yet, but at 29 is definitely going to start becoming more frail as time goes on. Those injuries are cumulative to a point and as one gets older they can't heal as fast and can't take as much punishment as before.

So with that clear, it takes us to the O-line. We simply can't allow 40-50 sacks again this year. That number has to drop. The O-line looked much better against Seattle. For the record they had two pass rushers combine for 20 sacks last year, so they weren't a terrible pass rushing team. They had some good players there and we handled it pretty well. Two sacks were given up, one of which wasn't really the O-lines fault so much as a faulty protection scheme on the play. Still, the Seahawks aren't the Ravens who have many more sackmasters on their team.

Our O-line needs consistency. And it needs leadership. Pouncey is playing good ball and he's a stud. He should have the playbook and line calls down pretty well, although he's still learning. But I think it's time for him to emerge as a great Lineman leader. Like Faneca and Dawson for the Steelers, Jeff Saturday on the Colts, Mangold on the Jets, guys like these unify and create a strong line. It's no coincidence that those teams with those players had great O-lines and could run the ball and pass it down anybody's throat. This is Pouncey's role, he must step up into it.

The O-line needs controlled agression. I saw good burst from Foster and Gilbert on the running plays. And one thing I didn't see: Stupid penalties. At least, not from them. Legursky on the other hand had a real bone-headed cut block in the back. And he didn't look as hungry. I was expecting more from a guy with a chip on his shoulder and a tough as nails body. Kemoeatu could take a lesson from his replacement in how NOT to draw a flag. Kemo could be a great lineman with more discipline.

The tackles need to be thorough and diligent. I feel that Scott is doing alright given that his first opponent was Suggs who is a monster. However he has been a weak spot. He seems to be able to hold a guy up if he gets in the right position, but sometimes doesn't seem to try and go out of his way to find that position. It seems a tad lazy to me sometimes. He reacts slowly. Some may say it's getting beat, but I think Scott could react quicker and show some more burst. Gilbert did very well but on a couple plays he didn't finish. For example the hit on Ben. If Gilbert pushes him down and a bit farther away, we don't even have this scare in the first place. He's learning and his performance for a rookie was admirable.

I feel like our O-line can be successful. However I think there are two things that would have to happen, one of which probably can't/won't and the other is up to the coaching staff, but I suspect it's not likely.

The first would be moving Fostor or Kemo to RG. I almost think this was a great performance by Foster, and frankly I think he is better at the LG position. Perhaps he should be there. Kemo could be more of a mandozer in the RG spot and Foster plays a little weaker on the weak side anyway. To me it aligns your mass a little better for our often right handed offense. It provides a nice balance of strength and size

Unfortunately I just don't know if Legursky can cut it at guard full time. He has started just 3 games now, and one was a SB. That equates to less experience, and I just don't know how he skyrocketed up into the RG spot. It didn't make much sense to me then and it doesn't now.

 

The Second thing, the one I really doubt, would be to bring back Starks. Scott can't cut it in my opinion. Starks was a good, if a little overpaid, LT. However I always thought he was better at RT where he started his career. Marvel Smith was a great LT so maybe that's why Starks stayed on the right, but I think he did really well there. Let Gilbert move to his natural position and become the LT of the future today. He played well but might as well put him there where he belongs. This provides much needed size to the tackles. Starks was good because he was just a giant wall pummeling anything that came by. Scott is far too small and just gets pushed around too much.

To me this would make the only real variable the performance of Foster at LG, and I think he'd do well. Our biggest concern would be an injury. But I think if we had 2 high draft picks, and our 2 best starters from the last few years, we'd be a hell of a lot better than what we have now.


Of course, it's a lot of switching around. Some will probably put the ''this will never happen'' tag on this poast. And I know that. But I think it's worth stating something if only to make people think about it. Besides, the O-line is always a nice discussion point on BTSC.

Getting back to the origin of this poast. We depend on Big Ben. Without him, our shot at anything special in this tightening window are gone. Ben has several years left if and only if he stays healthy. He's much more susceptible to injury now and the FO needs to wake up to that fact. He can't take this kind of abuse forever and if he takes one really bad injury he might never be the same. I remember how tentative he looked in 2006 after the motorcycle incident. He didn't want to scramble, he didn't want to run out much, he didn't stand in and take hits. And we went 8-8. i would hate to see another single digit season all because we didn't protect Ben.

it's all about the Benjamin, so it needs to be about the O-line also.

What do you think we should do about the O-line? Do you agree we'd be super screwed without the Ben? Do you hate this poast and does it stank (no profanity for 1500 words!!!)

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was my favorite part : )

Actually, I thought it was really interesting. I agree that somehow, some way, they have to figure out how to protect the club’s biggest expenditure. I do think that Gilbert is our guy, though, and that means that we just have to throw him out there and accept a few potentially costly mistakes while he learns. I read somewhere that Ramon Foster told Gilbert something to the effect of ‘I got Ben’s nose broken last year – you have to learn from it, and learn fast.’ I don’t know what to think about the Legursky experiment, except that apparently nobody else was good enough to take the job, so they went with him. It looked like it was gift-wrapped for Tony Hills in the pre-season, but he didn’t play well enough to win it. I like the idea of moving Kemo to RG and leaving Foster at LG, but I haven’t got the slightest idea whether it would work or not. Presumably there’s a learning curve to switch sides when you’ve only played one side for your entire career. And the way we get injuries on the line, we might see them putting Hines in, or maybe Tyler Grisham. As to Pouncey stepping up, I’ve read reports that he’s doing that – that he’s evincing a lot more leadership this year. I just hope he has a stable line to lead. I feel like if they could have even two or three games in a row with the same personnel they would have a chance to really jell as a unit.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Sep 20, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Lack of Profanity

IMO, just makes the ‘hate’ posts that much better. They aren’t penned by some tool with no knowledge of the game or English language.

As for the line…I’d just like to see the same 5 guys stick to the same position for more than a week at a time to actually see what they have there. It’s tough to evaluate the cohesiveness or effectiveness of something when it’s in a constant state of flux.

by pistil_stamen on Sep 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point

I agree it’s a problem when we can’t get the same group together for any length of time.

by Mechem on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize...

…that half the sacks Ben takes are on him and not the o-line, right?

We simply can’t allow 40-50 sacks again this year. That number has to drop.

When Ben was a game manager under Cowher, he was took 30, 26, and 46 in ‘04, ’05 and ’06 respectively. Sure, with Marvel Smith, Alan Faneca, Jeff Hartings, Kendal Simmons, and Max Starks, it was a better line in front of him. But he also wasn’t the focal point of the defense either (the run offense was). Those guys also had trust within one another. That trust is built by having continuity with the guys who line up next to one another. Something this incarnation hasn’t had since Tomlin got here. Thats not his fault, injuries are as much a part of the game as scoring touchdowns.

Anyway, back to my original point. Ben has taken huge strides in his development as a player and a QB since Bruce Arians has become the OC (I’ll probobly get ripped here for this). When you have a franchise QB, you use him. Arians first year as the OC, Ben broke one of Bradshaw’s records with 32 td passes. He became the passer that we see today. He always broke tackles and shruged off would be sackers, but now its a part of the gameplan. They run play breakdown drills so the 5 eligible recievers know what to do in that situation. Because of his great QB play, he is now the focal point for defenses. Ben is not really a traditional drop back passer (like Manning, Brady, or Brees). He likes to hold onto the ball and wait for the play to develop or breakdown. Sometime he hits for a big play and sometime he gets hit. Thats part of his game. There isn’t a blocking scheme in the NFL that will effectively fend off pass rushers for a full 6,7 or even 8 seconds. Coincidently, there isn’t a coverage scheme that blankets wrs for that long ether. If Ben gets the ball out at the top of his drop backs I would be willing to bet he takes about 20 to 30 sacks per year.

All that being said, I do agree, the sack total does need to come down as he gets older. But you can’t blame the O-line for all of them. Thats a stat that they aren’t completely responcible for.

by HardPunkKore on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post

The move makes sense, and the learning curve may or may not be a real problem switching from one side to the other. However, these are professionals and should know how to make that switch. Look at Flozell, he played his entire career on the left side, multiple pro bowls. He comes to us, and get switched to the other side and did a good job for us. I am not sure what the answer to our O-line is, but they have to find a way to maximize the skills of the guys we have and not worry about switching and all that learning curve stuff. Let’s put them where there natural strengths are, and let them play together.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Sep 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Good thoughts Mechem

Good to know you can do it without the profanity.

"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Sep 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Great insight

I’ve been saying ever since July, but Ramon Foster needs to start. I dont know why the staff is is so smitten with Legs based off what he did in the preseason and in training camp. We all thought Chris Scott was ready based on what we were hearing in camp, and as soon as he goes up against someone other than the Steeler’s defensive line, he struggles.

Legs is too small to handle the rigors of playing inside full-time; much better in spot duty. I, like you, believe that Kemo is a RG, and that Foster should be on the left side seeing as he is the better pass blocker. I dont think the staff will do it because they trust Kemo at that spot for some reason. Its blatantly obvious that Kemo was talor-made for the RG position; he’s a mauler.

As far as the OTs go, we have to make due with what we have for right now. If Colon can ever manage to stay healthy for another season, we can eventually shift Gilbert over the LT and have a pretty good o-line. Gilbert’s transition to LT will take some time though.

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by StoneColdSteel on Sep 20, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously we're hesitant to change if it's not a pressing need

We all can attest to continuity being important. So obviously the FO knows this. Why move a guy when he’s been there for years? Still I think our line has been shuffled away from it’s natural alignment, and we’ve been reluctant to put it back.

It’s kinda like Randle El or Hines Ward. Sure they take snaps at 3QB, but if they came in a game and played well, hell even started a game and won, do you keep them on that position? No, it’s not their natural one.

by Mechem on Sep 21, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see Foster starting

at RG. Kemo does ok I gues in the run block on the left side, but he does seem to be good at pulling to the right side. Our most succesful runs do seem to be on the right side to me anyway.

by steeler fever on Sep 20, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Hence why I think he should just always be there.

He pulls well, let him just sit in the spot we’re going to put him in anyway.

by Mechem on Sep 21, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Foster isn't athelic enough

He has a big body and works well in the phone booth, but he has no athletism. Normally with Big Juicey (Kemo for those of you that don’t know) at LG we see that power O run to the right 5 – 6 times a game. Kemo pulls from the left side to get into the hole on the right and leads the RB to daylight. Those plays often hit for pretty good yardage. With Foster at LG, they only called that play once. True, Redmen went for a 20 yard td run and Foster blocked 2 guys and slowed another, but I gaurantee that won’t happen often. It was kinda funny to see how limmited Foster is athleticly, Kemo is always out in front on theose plays but foster hit the whole the same time as Redmen did. Foster got in the way of 3 guys and Redman made a 4th miss with some shake and bake and the ending result was a td.

by HardPunkKore on Sep 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they mean Foster at RG

he can’t be less athletic than Legs is, and not because legs is white.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Helping Ben

One thing that would help Ben stay healthy is taking him out of the damn game when it is out of hand. For two straight weeks Tomlin has left him in games that were blowouts. There is no reason for Ben to being used as a tackling dummy in the fourth quarter against the Ravens. Also there was no reason for the Steelers to pass more than run in the second half with a comfortable lead especially considering he was already dinged up. The Steelers are going absolutely no where without Roethlisberger hurt. Tomlin needs to be smarter than what he has been regarding protecting Roethlisberger.

Nice post!

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by Black&GoldTrain on Sep 21, 2011 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I forgot to mention this, but I commented on it in other poasts. Seriously when the games out of reach pull the Ben.

by Mechem on Sep 21, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ravens game may have suggested to Tomlin, that Ben needed some extra work. Maybe Tomlin figured that games would be good place for Ben to practice ball control…
Whatever the thought process, something worked. If I’m not mistaken, we only had one turnover, and that was after failing at 4th and 1.

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Sep 21, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought -

although I was definitely one of the people screaming “Get Ben Off the Field.” (Not at Baltimore, but I was thinking it.) Harrison commented at the end of the preseason that the only way to get in game condition is to play in games – that practices just aren’t the same, because your opposition is trying not to hurt you. And last Sunday Tomlin tried to pull him and put in Worilds, and he refused, saying that he needed more conditioning. (This was on the Steelers.com GameDay Exclusive video that shows various stuff on the sidelines.) So we don’t always know why players are left in or pulled. It’s obvious that the coaching staff doesn’t always have the last say…

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Sep 21, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

My primary goal

this season, is not to yell at Ben through the TV. I’ve watched Ben long enough to realize that taking sacks is good. Although I’m still not sure why…

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Sep 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what ya'll wanna do

wanna be ballers, shot callers, brawlers, who be dippin in the benz with the sprawlers, on the low from the jakes in a taurus….

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

wait so you're not talking about the song

just Ben Roethlisberger, got cha..

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Sep 22, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like your post

I agree with the changes – putting Kemo at RG and starting Foster at LG Legursky is good in a backup role at either Center or Guard. All Ben needs is some blocking. Our young receivers are like a time bomb waiting to detonate. All we have to do is give Ben the time to throw to them. It’s time for some of our young OL to step up to the plate and do what they are getting paid for.

by Allen F on Sep 21, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Post

And I must say I’m in complete agreement. Although on further inspection it looks like 1498 words. I’m pretty sure you’ve got two in ya.

"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler."

-- Jack Lambert --

by Steeleraero on Sep 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Offensive line improvement

The Ravens debacle was highlighted by Legursky’s complete and total inability to block Haloti Ngata. Block? Some of the plays, he barely TOUCHED him. I have seen more physical contact on a subway.

When Kemoeatu is healthy, put him at RG. The suggestion that Foster is less athletic than Kemoeatu is odd, frankly. Ramon Foster played tackle in college, including LT. Those players cannot lack athleticism.

Further, Foster is designated as backup to both guard spots. A player who can handle both spots is not an anathletic guy.

Foster pulled just once during the Seahawks blowout … uhhh, didn’t that play involve Foster getting through the hole faster than Kemoeatu does and blocking not one, but TWO Seahawk players? How many times have we seen Kemoeatu lumber through the hole a split second before the RB, only to whiff on the first guy. Play goes for maybe 3-4 yards.

Foster blows open the hole, touchdown!

The RG spot is the “physical” position. That guy takes on players like Ngata. Kemoeatu is much better when stationary and getting into a physical battle, one-on-one.

With Pouncey at center, a developing Gilbert at RT, Foster at LG, and Kemoeatu at RG, the line could be pretty decent.

by BuccoFan21 on Sep 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

You said it well

That sums up my thoughts pretty nicely.

Of course that leaves the LT spot, which is pretty important to the passing game, open to question

by Mechem on Sep 21, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Steelers front office are starting to realize that they have to put some pedigree in front of their quarterback and that's why they've used two high picks on the o-line during the last two drafts.

As Ben ages, hopefully, the talent and performance of the line will improve.

Great stuff, I loved this, even if it didn’t make me laugh outloud like the “hate” posts.

by Anthony Defeo on Sep 21, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

It kinda makes sense to start establishing a line now for a possible future quarterback after Ben’s career.

I really think our FO thinks that far ahead, hence why we always stay competitive. A new line coming in now would be good for the end of Ben’s career, and possibly great for whoever takes his place.

Ben definitely had an advantage starting out wìth a great O-line.

by Mechem on Sep 22, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  


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