Isaac Redman: He’s not that guy
Read through the comments following Sunday’s game. You will find a significant number of complaints about Rashard Mendenhall dancing around behind the line of scrimmage. Following those complaints, you'll find that the preferred tactic for our backfield artillery is to put helmets low and drive the pile. To add insult to Mendenhall’s 2.1 ypc injury, fans here have suggested that Isaac Redman would have been the better ox with which to plow the oil field.
I just don’t see it. Redman simply is not that guy.
The comment that provoked this piece is one where Redman is named in the same breath as Jerome Bettis. At 6’ even and 230 lbs, Redman fits the physical profile for a downhill power back. That’s probably the first thing that gets fans thinking of him as a bruiser. Next would be the fact that Sir Isaac is no stranger to contact. He is not easy to bring down. That is where the qualifications end, though. Redman simply does not move like a power back.
So, what is he? Looking at film from what appears to be highschool and college, we get an idea of the kind of plays where Redman thrives. (My apologies for the profanity in the musical accompaniment and also the poor video quality. There’s simply not that much film available.)
Take note of the play that begins at around the 1:05 mark. Redman gets sideswiped near the line and a second time after bouncing away from the first tackler. Both defenders fail to wrap him up. Redman uses the space available to his left, then his right in order to disengage from the tackles. He doesn’t power through. He bounces off.
The very next play in that reel starts around 1:35. In this play, we see our young hero dance (dance?) around four defenders before he gets past the line of scrimmage. He accomplishes this feat by stopping... abruptly. In fact, he stops so fast in front of the first defender, you can see him slide forward with both feet in the turf. Are we sure this is the guy we want hitting holes that don’t exist?
Next play? He runs through a big hole untouched. About twenty yards downfield, he dodges a tackler... by stopping.
At 2:22, we see more bouncing. At 3:27, we see Redman doing his spin routine. 4:29 is one of my favorites. It seems like he is simply benefiting from the poor tackling skills of his opponent, but when you look carefully, you’ll see that he is actually very good at picking up his feet and making sure no one can wrap him up.
There’s only so much we can learn from old footage. Redman is now a journeyman player in the NFL. He isn’t supposed to play like a college back. But, before we leave this video, let’s pause for a quiz. Go back and count the number of times you see young Isaac pop upright in order to dodge a tackler. I counted 19.
Next, The Ghost of Runningbacks Past takes us to the preseason 14 that so endeared Redman to Steelers fans.
The first one has Redman bouncing off a would-be tackler and into the endzone. The second has him hit the hole and crumple when he connects with something solid. I believe it’s Sherrod #84 who gets into the mix and makes it possible for Redman to fall across the line. Still no evidence of him moving the pile.
This last one is Redman’s catch and run to put the Purple Brown’s where they belong. More twisting and bouncing. We are now a few seasons deep into his NFL career and he’s still getting yards with glancing blows and spins.
There’s more footage out there. I’ve looked through quite a bit. I have yet to find Redman bullying the line in the manner his physical attributes would suggest. The biggest hit I watched him deliver was to a college game referee. He is something special. He’s just not a battering ram.
All that still leaves many questions about what sort of runner he is.
In the past, and as recently as this afternoon, I’ve described #33 as something like a pinball. He bounces off defenders and is constantly in motion. He works best in space, where he can shift from side to side, or even backward. He leans into tacklers, then spins or bounces away from them. By that, I mean that he uses the threat of contact while minimizing the actual hit. Even his own blockers become tools for him to bounce off. It’s not easy for defenders to figure out which direction he intends to go.
Redman also protects his feet. As mentioned above, he often high-steps to keep his lower legs free from defenders’ hands. It seems like the defense just doesn’t know how to tackle, but Redman is is only giving them one leg to grab ahold of. When they get that one leg, his body mass provides the momentum to pull that leg out and either fall forward or keep moving.
Lastly, there is his ability to shed a grip. If someone gets a hold of his jersee or one of his arms, Redman simply turns in the direction he is being pulled and then twists hard to free himself. He runs loose. Until he is clear of the defenders, it looks like he is moving in slow motion. Because he isn’t moving at top speed, it is difficult to unbalance him. Balance is another strong suit for the most interesting 3rd down back.
About the only thing that reliably stops Sir Isaac is when someone gets directly in front of him. Which is not what you want from a bus-style running back.
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I dont really understand what youre trying to say..
redman doesnt run exactly like Jerome bettis, so we can’t benefit from giving him more carries?
Thanks for putting this together -
it is really interesting. I think the problem is that he’s afraid to hurt people by unleashing his super powers, so he keeps the contact to a minimum : )
But kidding aside, it certainly explains why he wasn’t getting any more yards on Sunday night than Mendy in his few attempts.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Sep 27, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
I only saw 1 attempt the entire night. On third down. It was straight ahead for six yards. Am I missing something?
you seem to be
he was getting stopped on two other carries at the line of scrimmage, doing pretty much what Mendenhall did all night
I disagree
that this explains much, except that:
There’s only so much we can learn from old footage.
I didn’t see most of the 3rd quarter of the Indy game, (took longer than expected traveling home during halftime) so I don’t know what happened during that time. I only saw Redman get one carry. With 55 seconds left in the fourth quarter, we had third and one. Redman gets the handoff and picks up 3 yards, straight up the middle.
To suggest Redman is just like Bettis is ridiculous, no doubt about that. Is Redman effective for us? I think so.
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I'm confused by your whole premise
Several of the plays that you outline, where he breaks tackles, are because of his power and his lower center of balance. Several players “bouncing” off of him are the result of him being a powerful runner that is difficult to bring down. The first attempted tackle in the Ravens winning TD is a perfect example. I’d even say the second broken tackle is a good example too, but I can see the argument with that one.
As far as showing college games, I think that is kind of pointless and irrelevant to use this tape. Not only is Redman 3+ years removed from that, but he has also received considerable NFL coaching since then. I really do not think he is the same type of runner anymore. Moreover, in college ball, especially at division 2 or 3, you should be trying to juke people because the athletes are not as talented at that level.
Redman was something like 8 for 9 on 3rd and short last year with an average over 5 yards per carry. Most of those runs go between the tackles against a heavy goalline like defensive package. That’s power running and that is moving the pile.
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I disagree. Just because a guy is difficult to tackle does not mean he is a power runner.
This article was written in response to calls for Redman to carry the ball into a Colts line that was blocking very well. I dislike absolutes, so I can’t say there were no holes for Mendy to run in. However, I think it’s fair to say the opportunities were more like seams. Calls for more Redman were based on the assumption that is he a better a power runner. In this situation, power runner means a guy who will move blockers or force his way through seams.
Remember the highlight where Adrian Peterson catches a pass and plants an off-balance Willie Gay in the turf? Or the one where Bettis drives right over Urlacker? That’s the power running those fans were calling for. (And I agree. That would have been nice.) I just don’t think Redman is the right guy for it.
Redman accepts contact in such a way that he can bounce off. He doesn’t move guys out of his way. He doesn’t squeeze through narrow seams. He changes direction. Tackle from the right, he’ll move left. Tackle from the left, he’ll move to the right. He takes whatever available space there is. And that’s the important part: he needs space.
Against a defense that is not leaving any space, I don’t see what he has to offer.
As for the use of college film, I mentioned that in the post. Yes, he is no longer a college player. Yes, he has been coached. However, his runs in the NFL still show him using many of the same skills he employed while in college. Has the NFL changed him? Probably. Has it turned him into a guy who bowls people over? I have seen no evidence of that.
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Remember the highlight where Adrian Peterson catches a pass and plants an off-balance Willie Gay in the turf? Or the one where Bettis drives right over Urlacker? That’s the power running those fans were calling for.
That type of play is not common. Rarely does a RB get a 1on1 in the open field and completely level the defender.
I just think you have a lousy argument by saying he is not a power running back because “here is some college film” and “here are 2 plays.” I think the fact that he went 8 for 9 on third and short last year is a lot better example of his ability than simply linking two random plays.
I’m not one of the people calling for Mendenhall’s head nor do I think Redman would have certainly had more success in the game. I just think the idea of Redman not having a power style is unfounded and wrong.
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by John Stephens on Sep 27, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
John, I welcome the critique. There is a reason why I don’t start many new threads. Writing is not my thing. However, if you’re going to cite me for using old film, then, flag or no flag, I’m going to Goodell you for non-sequitur. Are all RB’s who are good on 3rd and short power runners? I hear Wes Welker is good on 3rd down. Does that make him a power back? (Sorry, I’ll back up five yards for sarcasm.) Point is: Redman’s rate of success has nothing to do with his style.
As for making hits, it is my opinion that opportunities for our runners to hit bodies were fairly common the other night. I’m pretty confident about that. There was a wall of bodies lined up and ready for our runners. It is the runner’s choice as to whether they plow forward and try to exploit/create a seam for 2 yards, or they dance around and try to find a cutback. I have seen nothing in Redman’s footage (past and present) that makes me think he would have chosen to lower a shoulder and move the pile.
If you think that bouncing away from bodies and having good balance are the definition for the term power back, I’ll accept that. But if I use that definition, then I’d have to write something about how a power back wouldn’t have been much good against Indy. I suspect the level of semantics there would have been even more confusing.
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Yes, I think the majority of running backs that are successful on third downs are power backs. Those are some of the toughest yards to pick up and generally teams sub out their primary back for a bigger, harder runner. Going 8 for 9, is not common either.
And I’m not saying good balance and being able to have a defender bounce off you (see what I did there) are the definition of a power runner. I am saying they are components of being a power runner. I’ve also seen him run into people and carry guys a few yards before going down. Additionally, I think he falls forward almost every time he runs and gains 1 or 2 extra yards. Two facts I know: (1)Redman has, so far, a career average of 4.6 yards per carry and (2)he is not a speedy guy. I cannot imagine how he would have such a good number if he didn’t have power in his style of running.
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by John Stephens on Sep 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he could have those numbers by being a backup tailback. I don’t know if it’s the smaller sample size or that they are fresh for nearly all of their runs, but backup tailbacks generally average more than their skill level would permit if they were full time backs. Not saying that is the case with Redman, just saying that it might be a stretch to say he gets 4.6 on average because of his power, just because he is not a fast guy.
Not disagreeing however
Hard to quantify for career averages
But let’s take a quick peruse across the league. The numbers reflect difference compared to starter vs. back up
Bills +1.7
Pats + 0.7
Fins -2.0
Jets +0.4
Tex (excluded with Foster out)
Colts -1.2
Jags -2.6
Tits -0.7
Ravens -0.5
Browns +0.5
Bengals -1.3
Broncos +2.1
KC (arguable with Charles down, excluded)
Oak -2.8
SDG -2.0
Dal -1.9
NYG -1.0
Phi -3.8
Was +2.2
Chi -1.3
Det 0
GNB -0.3
Min (inconclusive Harvin and McNabb have more rushes than Gerhart)
Atl -2.2
Car +1.6
NOR +1.2
Tam -1.3
Az -2.4
SFO +0.2
Sea (another inconclusive)
Stl (SJax injured, hard to tell)
So from the 26 teams I could draw from that is an average of -0.6. Small sample size on only 3 games, but the data doesn’t back that argument so far. Redman is at +1.2 BTW over Mendy.
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by John Stephens on Sep 27, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
point proven. I was talking from eye-ball experience and the effect would be increasingly diluted anyway with the advent of more running back by committee than ever. there are very few true “backups”
It’s a small sample size, so I wouldn’t say it’s a point proven. Just not the case right now.
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by John Stephens on Sep 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
but I was getting at the fact that a true backup tailback gets less carries so it’s a smaller sample size. usually in this smaller sample size their YPC is something ridiculous, something above their skill level but not necessarily better than the starting tailback.
I’ve remembered points at seasons that backups like (formerly) felix jones and javon ringer having like 6 yards per carry. thats not their skill level but being the fresh and less used back helped them with a smaller sample size
I think it might stick out sometimes when you have a scat back compared to a more stout, between the tackles type runner. Sort of like what NE has with Boston Legal and Woodhead in relief or Washington with Helu.
I think that the fact that Redman is a more physical runner (arguable, I guess) and his YPC is higher says something. What it says, I don’t know yet. I think he should get more touches, but Mendy is still our starter.
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by John Stephens on Sep 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Jerome Bettis never let anyone get him squared up, that’s why he broke so many tackles. He used that spin move and small jukes to make tacklers take bad shots at him. That’s why he played so long and was so much better than a Mike Alstott, who just ran through people.
At the end of his career when injuries had killed his agility Bettis just hit the hole and ran where he could, including straight into defenders, but he still used his spin move to get yards without butting heads.
Redman isn’t Bettis, because Bettis was faster and had more agility and more mass. Redman wouldn’t have helped us last week either, but that’s because Redman doesn’t bounce runs as well as Mendy, and there were no holes to hit. When the offensive line is Pouncey and the nobodies there won’t be a running game. Or pass protection for that matter.
Late in his career Jerome was asked about taking all those hits. He replied that he didn’t take hits: he shared them. Sorry, I don’t have the exact quote.
Anyway, I think you’re right. Bettis re-invented himself near the end. He took his fast feet and applied them in a different way. What always amazed me about his short yardage play was his ability to hit a 10 inch hole and somehow squeeze his 36 inch body through it. My wife once remarked that he ran through the line like a greased pig, which I think was apropos. The Bus would hit a seam that should have been good for 2 yards and find a way to turn it into a 4 yard gain. He used his mass to shift bodies to the sides and his ever-churning legs to squeeze deeper into the scrum.
I wasn’t really trying to compare Isaac and Jerome, though. It was just the mention of Jerome that got me to thinking about how different Isaac is.
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I doubt the NFL will ever see a Running Back like him again. Ever.
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even Redman can run through 11 defensive dudes pummeling our o line.
Well get it together I believe. Mendy and 33 are pretty good with a little help.
by Steelchamps !! on Sep 27, 2011 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think
what people like about Redman is in the second preseason example against Arizona. He accelerates to the gap and goes in with his head down.
There won’t be much of a hole with the Steelers line, so people are wishing that Mendy would sometimes get there quicker.
I was making comments about Mendy
but not calling out for Redman. I just think that Mendenhall needs to focus on the design of gut plays and get what he can get instead of dancing around looking for better options; when you start dancing behind the line on a stuffed hole a possible 1yrd gain turns into a 2yrd loss. sometimes you just have to settle for whats there and try to get your yard. Otherwise, make a quick decision and break it outside, just stop dancing.
I think that Mendenhall is a very good back overall, he just has a few small things he needs to tighten up, like ball security – luckily he hasn’t lost many, but he does hold the ball loosely at times.
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Isaac Redman is not Jerome Bettis
They are two different backs and to compare them is stupid. A guy the size of Jerome Bettis who could run with the speed that he did and power that he did is once in a lifetime. Redman is really tough to bring down cuz he is more elusive than meets the eye and he keeps his legs turning and just refuses to go down. is he better than mendenhall? idk, its hard to tell when the o-line doesnt open anything for them.
That's a good summary
I was going to say something to that matter yesterday, but for some reason I couldn’t post at all because of some error.
I was going to say It’s amazing someone would go through all of this to try to prove something everyone knows…Redman isn’t Jerome Bettis. So let me add something else in short form…Mendenhall is no Jerome Bettis. So in that case Mendenhall is NOT that man either.
In closing no one was saying Redman was better than Mendenhall, but it is common knowledge that Mendenhall has serious lapses in the mental category. Like being benched because he was slacking in practice and the 9-11 thing. Maybe this was one of those nights because he needed to change up his style a bit against this defense. The point being made was that in this particular game Redman may have been the better option because he was hitting the hole quicker and usually does. Mendenhall sets up his blocks better, but that wasn’t needed against the Colts. Hitting fast was.
Pulling out high school videos and banquet photos was not necessary. lol
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Sorry guys, but I was not trying to prove that Redman isn’t Jerome. The only reason I mentioned Jerome was because someone in another thread mentioned him and that got me thinking about running styles.
Looking back at the original post, I suppose I should have embedded the most current videos, first. That may have better established the premise. Then I could have gone back and shown how much of what Redman does today is similar to what he did way back in his college days. Since there is precious little film on Redman, I was using the best of what was available. In short: he is not now, nor was he ever a move-the-pile type of runner. I felt that if I did not use video, the post would have been a wall of text trying to describe something really needs to be seen.
As for Mendy, I suspect he has a hard time giving up. When a hole doesn’t develop, he has the choice of forcing his way into a pile, or cutting back and trying something else. Mendy doesn’t want to settle for 1 or 2 yards. He wants to break big runs. This is pretty much the same attitude that has Ben holding onto the ball for too long. And I suspect you’re right. Part of that may be immaturity.
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Couldn't agree more
Mendy is great when he can get past the first level of the D, if he can’t get past the first level he struggles.
Redman to me is a guy that can grind out yards and that was the spot the steelers were in on sunday night, we needed a guy to hit the hole quickly and pick up 3-5 yards to take pressure off Ben. Mendy is a homerun hitter, Redman is more of a pounder, both styles work, but I think our coaching staff needs to do a better job of utilizing both styles. I know I was frustrated to see them continously feed Mendy carries, I think most of us agree he is the better back, but Redman should have gotten more of a chance, especially after Mendy’s lack of success.
by rickmottley on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Redman gain 3 yards on 3rd and 1 vs. the Colts?
With a ton of guys on the line of scrimmage? He hit the line, hard, and powered forward. He did most of the work. The Colts had a lot of defenders on the line of scrimmage, so there was not a lot of room to run.
Did not stop Redman from powering for 3 yards, against a run-stop defense, on 3rd and short.
P.S. .....
Take a look at the run at the 8:21 mark of the first video. Looks like a power run to me.
Redman
Redman hits the hole, makes contact, and gets through the gap most of the time for positive yardage. Mendenhall gets to the line, stops, does a few dance moves he learned from Hines and tries to avoid contact. He may lose yardage, or he may bust out a long run. As long as he holds it “high and tight” and doesn’t fumble, that’s ok.
Well I think todays game gave us evidence that Redman is the guy
What a huge spark in the 2nd half, the coaching staff needed to see that…too bad we couldnt manage the clock properly. Rough loss today, but I think Redman has shown he deserves more carries, and I would be surprised if his role does not drastically increase.
yes he IS that guy
as he has proven over and over and over…when you give him the ball the only thing he does is…….. EXACTLY what hes supposed to do!!!!! Gain positive yards, catch the pass, etc etc
nuff said
what r u talking about????????
i havent seen one guy in the leauge takle him and knock him back. you show us highlights of isaac running people over, then tell us he cant run people over!

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