End of Season Review - Player By Player
QB’s
Big Ben – continues to lead this team year in and year out. I’d give him the MVP this year. He does what is needed to win. Ben continued to be tough as nails and fought though numerous injuries. He is never going to have the accuracy that Manning and Brady have, but he possesses other intangibles that they don’t have. With a good offensive line, Big Ben is in the Top 3 tier of QB’s.
C. Batch – Charlie won the only game we needed him in this year. It was against the Rams and he looked average at best, but he did what he needed to get a W. That being said, I think its time for Chuck to finally hang up the jersey and move on. Personally, I don’t have much confidence with him being the backup against a good defense anymore.
Dixon – He didn’t play this year. He looked awful in preseason after making a fuss about starting in the NFL. He is an unrestricted FA, so I’m sure he will take his “talents” elsewhere in an attempt to start for an NFL team. See ya Dennis.
Leftwich – Get healthy brother. Unrestricted free agent. Interested to see what happens with him.
RB’s
Mendenhall – had an up and down year for the most part. At times he looks timid and other times he def looks like a top 5 back in the league. Not sure why a lot of people hate on him though. He runs behind a terrible O-line and still gets his yards. People who think he is a fumbler are just downright wrong. He fumbled once this year. I think he runs a lot better on the outside and wish he would do so more often.
Redman – a very hard runner who is hard to bring down. Anytime he is in the game, he runs pretty well. He is a top tier backup RB and could even turn into a lower-tier starter for a few of the worse teams in the league. It’s a whole different game when teams gameplan for you starting week after week. Big fan of Redman as our 2nd RB!
Moore – did not get a lot of work this year. We used less of him on 3rd downs this year which reflected in his stats. 1 TD and a couple yards per game. Moore is an unrestricted FA this year and I don’t think he is a necessity on this team.
Dwyer – played a good amount in 1 game this season against Tenn when Mendenhall couldn’t play. He looked pretty decent and even made a splash play run for around 75 yards. I’m not exactly sure where Dwyer fits in on this team. If Moore is not signed, I expect Dwyer to make the squad next season.
Clay – Practice squad guy would saw some carries towards the end of the season. I wouldn’t count on Clay getting a jersey next year.
B. Batch – rookie back that had a great camp until he tore his ACL. A lot of promise from what he showed, but is a big question mark due to zero NFL game experience. Could possibly be Moore’s 3rd down replacement.
WR’s
Wallace – fantastic first half of the year that tailed off little by little as the year went on. One of the best in the game. Opened the field up for Brown to have a nice season. Draws double and sometimes even triple coverage. His hands seemed to have a lapse or two later in the season, but I think they would be considered exceptions. Mike Wallace is a stud who needs to be locked up for many years to come.
Brown – breakout year for AB. Became the first player in NFL history to receive 1K yards and return 1K yards. If that doesn’t say it all, I don’t know what will. Brown showed that he is the clear cut #2 receiver on the squad and Ward and Sanders aren’t really close.
Sanders – injured a lot of the season. When he was on the field, I thought he looked pretty good. He runs good routes and his hands look solid. I think next season will be a good indication of what kind of player Sanders will be going forward. I like what I see so far.
Cotchery – limited playing time dude to injury and being the 4th WR on the field. Made some clutch TD grabs toward the end of the season and in the playoff game. Cotchery is an unrestricted FA and I believe he will look elsewhere to be a #2 or #3 WR. He will never be that with the Steelers.
Ward – Hines finally took a VERY limited role this year and it was very strange to witness. He fell to the #5 WR, due to a combination of speed, age, and talent by others. Having Hines score only 2 TD’s just didn’t seem right. He has said that he wants to finish out his contract by playing one last year. I’m excited to see if that will happen. My prediction is that if Cotchery is resigned then Hines will move on. If Cotchery goes elsewhere, Hines will take a minor pay cut and finish up as a Steeler.
TE’s
Miller – I thought Heath had his best all around season ever for the Steelers. “The Possession”, as I call it was one of the ages against the Patriots this year. Miller’s ability to block is also underrated. He is half OL and half TE. Heath is as steady and clutch as they come.
Johnson – one of the younger players that is just a big body. He does some things decent and some things not so decent. I really don’t have much to say about David and really think we could live without him.
Saunders – rookie TE who shined at times. I think he will continue to get looks and oppurtunies to make something of himself on this squad.
OL
Pouncey – another solid year centering the line. He didn’t get much help as usual, but his play and effort are top notch. Made the Pro Bowl once again. His ankle injury really worries me. He has hurt the team in the post season two years in a row now with ankle injuries. Hopefully he has some surgery to repair whatever is wrong or rests it up long enough where it isn’t reoccurring.
Legursky – had an up and down season. I thought he played decently well at guard. I thought he was atrocious at center this year. That is disappointing, because he played well at center in the Super Bowl. Legursky is never going to be a stud guard, but is definitely serviceable on a below average line.
Essex – he is a disappointing player who is never going to turn into much in the NFL. He is an UFA and would be surprised to see him back.
Foster – see description for Legursky. He played some decent OG and some pretty bad OG. He is serviceable I guess, but not really want you want to be starting week in and week out in the NFL. I hope we draft or sign a better guard so he can be depth and backup the line (he also plays a bit of OT).
Kemoeatu – Chris had a terrible year. Enough said. He is undisciplined and took way too many personal foul and holding penalties. I would also suggest he looks into some anger management classes, because he definitely plays with a horrific negative chip on his shoulders. I would be absolutely shocked to see him back on the team next season.
Colon – was out for the season AGAIN. I never saw anything in Colon, but Colbert and the coaching staff must have. Willie received a massive contract to be the teams RT. I’m guessing he will get another shot at starting tackle again this upcoming season, but injuries have to be on his and everyone else’s mind. For the $6.5 million cap space he takes up, I think he is a waste.
Gilbert – rookie of the year. I thought Gilbert played very good given the situation he was put in. He was drafted to be a OT “project” and with Colon going down, he was tossed into the starting lineup and excelled. He obviously didn’t play perfect, no rookie does, but he definitely has a bright future ahead of himself. I think they will look to try him at stating LT next season.
J. Scott – I’ve been pretty hard on the O-line this year, but I believe its well deserved. Scott is just plain bad. He hasn’t showed me anything that he is even average at. Our O-line coach likes him for whatever reason, but I can’t believe he makes the team going forward.
Starks – Big Max came back like a ball of fire. I thought he played tremendous in 4 or so out of his first 5 games. He played a very solid LT and our line played well and saw the impact from his return. The 2nd half of his shorten season started gravitating downhill. I don’t know if it was fatigue, injury, or what, but Starks’ play declined big time. He is an UFA and I can’t predict what the teams plans are for Max.
DL
Hampton – Casey had another solid year. It seems like I could say this for pretty much every year he has played, but I don’t see the decline that some talk about. Obviously he is not a young tubby stud out of Texas anymore, but he can still do his job as good as at least half the NT starters in the NFL. He eats up 2-3 OL on every play he is in there, which lets everybody else on our defense do their thing. I’ve said for years that Casey is hands down the most important piece on the defense and I think I still have a case. Going into the final year on his contract, I think Casey will take a minor pay cut and finish out his final season as a Steeler.
Hoke – looks like Hoke is going to retire based on reports of a serious neck injury. Very sad news as he was a terrific backup to Casey for his career. Anytime Casey needed a breather (quite often as with people his size), Hoke played very well and did the job. He will be missed.
McClendon – got some decent minutes this year with Hoke going down. I see McClendon as a solid backup to a legit NT. I don’t believe McClendon can start fulltime in the NFL. He struggled mightily in the playoff game.
Keisel – might have been one of his better years as a Steeler. His ability to stop the run and block passes is amazing. He is definitely one of the leaders on the defense. Age isn’t his friend right now, but I still expect some more out of the Deisel!
Smith – was injured this season. I’ve heard different reports on Smith. Most saying he will retire and one or two saying he may try to give it one last go. I don’t believe the Steelers are willing to put stock in him any longer. Aaron has had a HOF career in Pittsburgh and is respected by all.
Hood – Ziggy Hood is a player who I can’t pinpoint very often. Just as I think he is improving greatly he has a bad game here and there. Ziggy did improve this year, but I don’t think he is anywhere near where the Steelers want him to be. He is very young and can easily improve into a stud. I’m looking forward to that as he is our starting DE.
Heyward – didn’t get a lot of playing time as a rookie, but when he did he looked VERY good. He is able to make plays tackling, sacking, deflecting, etc…He will take over for Keisel as he retires soon enough, but until then I expect him to challenge Ziggy Hood for starting playing time. Future stud!
LB’s
Harrison – stud. Year in and out he shows this. Even with back trouble Harrison terrorized QB’s again this season. He still gets held like the best of them. I’d like to see his stats if the refs made the calls on James, would be interesting. James is known to be dirty and not the mosr respected player in the game, but I think James is the last person who could care.
Woodley – never seen an up and down season like Woods. The first four games he was not heard from. This is a trend of his to start seasons. He then blew up and looked like Lawrence Taylor for the next 4 games. Complete transformation and the Woodley we are used to. He then pulled a hamstring and was never right again. He is hoping that Woodley sits for months and months in the off season and really gets that thing right.
Worilds – showed some flashes this season, but over all I’m not that impressed. I think he has a lot of work to do before he takes over for James Harrison. For being an OLB in Dicky L’s defense scheme, he really needs to start making more plays when he is on the field.
Timmons – quite year “statistically” for Timmons, but played a huge role in terms of team defense. Timmons played all 4 positions at LB this year filling in for injuries everywhere. I don’t know many other players in the league that can do that. He is also in coverage for 70% of the plays and is one of the best coverage LB’s in the league. He still needs to learn to slow his game down on run plays and not over pursue tackles. Once he solves that issue and is able to play “his” position all year…look out.
Farrior/Foote – I put these guys together because they play the same position and had similar roles and outcomes this season. Both are getting old, but both still can make plays. Both have contracts with the Steelers going into next year, but one/both could be cut due to cap issues. They are set to make 3.8 and 3.6 respectively. I’d be somewhat surprised to see both cut, so I would say one or the other. My guess is that Farrior plays one more year because of his great leaderships skills.
Sly – special teams demon. Body of work on the field remains unclear due to playing time. I’m a big fan personally and wouldn’t mind seeing him get a shot at starting at ILB.
Secondary
Taylor – putting aside the performance in the playoffs, Ike had his best year without question. His hands improved this season and he turned into even more of a shutdown CB. He started better than he finished, but I believe he will come back next season with even more to prove.
Gay – everybody’s favorite criticism target. Not mine though. I’m a fan of “Big Play.” I thought he has his best year as he was part of the reason our pass defense ranked #1 in the NFL. Yes he gets beat from time to time, but played very consistent defense this year. He is by far the best tackler out of all our CB’s. Gay is an UFA and should be signed.
Lewis – big big improvements from Lewis. Played some nickel and solid CB for the majority of the year. This was a great sign for the Steelers because he could have been another early round bust in the secondary. It’s looking like he wasn’t and that he will turn out to be a solid player for us.
McFadden – injured for the early part of the year. By the time he got back, he was outplayed by Gay and Lewis. Mcfadden for the most part didn’t get on the field this season and probably saw his Steeler career end for the 2nd time now.
C. Allen – a 5th or 6st round draft pick that made the team and excelled towards the end of the season. Played surprising good ball very quickly in the development process. He kind of reminds me of Gilbert, in which the expectations were not high for this season, but they both surpassed.
C. Brown – special teams ace. Lead the team in special teams tackles before he got injured late in the season. Not much of a body of work at the CB position. Being a rookie, he has many years to come.
Troy – awesome year once again by the “Samoan Headhunter.” Played pretty consistent throughout the entire season, but really started playing his best ball towards the end of the season when he was most healthy. The instincts and plays he makes can be made by him and him only. This is pretty much stating the obvious, but with the crazy and reckless style he plays, his career could be winding down in the next 3 years or so. The beating he puts on his body is “unique” to say the least.
Clark – Ryan had one of if not his best years in the NFL. He lead the team in tackles, which probably isn’t a good thing considering he’s a safety, but more power to him. His coverage was inconsistent, but his tackling was spot on. It takes a special person to cover for Troy and Clark does the job very well.
Mundy – had a pretty good year. Actually let me rephrase that, a very good year compared to where he was at. Before this year, I was not a fan of Mundy and thought he was complete average at best. He brought his A game this season and broke out of his shell. In the time he was on the field and his replacing Troy and Clark when hurt, he didn’t miss a beat for the most part. I hope he makes another improvement from this year to next.
W. Allen – I’m not exactly sure what to say about Allen. When he plays he does a decent job. Does he need to be retained? Not necessarily if we would pick up another safety.
ST
Suisham – hot and cold all year. I think his performance in the playoffs helped him out. Without that game, I’m not exactly sure he would be the starting kicker next season.
Danny S – torn his ACL for the 4th time or so. I don’t see how the Steelers could rely on him for another year. Expect him to be cut.
Kapinos – thought he did a solid job this year punting the ball. Ranked middle of the league in punt average. I wouldn’t have an issue of they would keep him and wouldn’t have an issue if they would look elsewhere.
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Do you think Colon will make the switch to LT ?
With Starks becoming an UFA and Gilbert getting experience at RT I think it would make sense to at least take look at it in camp. He is getting paid like a LT so why not see what he can do…… if he stays healthy of course.
seeing as it was a 5 year deal i would expect there to be some repercussions
they’ll probably give him another year and if he still cant play a (almost) full season they’ll probably cut him
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 11, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think there are big cap issues
I remember a big portion of it was guaranteed.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
NVM
I think it’s 7.5 guaranteed. I’m not sure how much we paid out on that this year, but it’d be about a 5 million hit I think.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
5 years $29mil isnt exactly LT money
its good money for a RT but not LT. Joe Thomas is making $12mil per year.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 11, 2012 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he was saying that.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
He’s getting “solid T” money.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
No
I don’t believe Colon has ever played LT. I do not think he has the talent or skills to play that position either. Hate to say it, because he seems like a good guy, but if Willie Colon is the Steelers LT next season we are in major major trouble.
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Colon’s always struggled against speed rushers and two years on the shelf isn’t the best way to prep for moving from RT to LT. If he makes a position shift, I hope it’s to guard. He was always a much better run blocker than pass blocker. I think he’d do very well at guard.
by average joe blow on Jan 11, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
And, I would coach him up...
…to be backup center; he did remarkably well when he filled in for Legs. This would help keep Legursky at Guard, which is a better position for him as well.
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Gilbert going to move to LT
Colon who is a solid RT when health will stay there. They won’t keep Starks and at worse they get a guy in the first three round who will replace Kemo/Legs at LG and they will stick with Foster at RG. Though as I have made clear I have never been a fan of Fosters, too slow out of his stance in run blocker only average pass blocker at best.
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I wouldn't mind Gilbert at LT
I was just thinking Colon has more experience in the league than gilbert so he might be able to pick it up faster. Your right on in saying Kemo and legursky need to be replaced.
That would be ideal
if Colon would stay healthy and play to the level some on hear believe he will play. That’s a couple of big “IF’s” though. I’d be more comfortable if we could resign Starks at a bargain (assuming he comes back from this ACL) and move Gilbert in at guard so he could move back outside when one of them goes down.
I must be reading this wrong
I’d be more comfortable if we could resign Starks at a bargain (assuming he comes back from this ACL) and move Gilbert in at guard so he could move back outside when one of them goes down.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Forget about Max Starks for 2012
How out of shape did he show up this season? Now compound his lack of conditioning and work ethic with a serious knee injury. If the normal time table is 6-8 months, then tack another couple of months for him to get his wieght back under 400 lbs. Either way he’ll be in no shape for this coming season.
by average joe blow on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
A few thourghts
I see that this is your first fan post, and i must say that I really like it and agree with pretty much everything you write. It is also pretty clear from your writing, what our draft/off-season needs are – back up QB, OL, NT, back up DE, ILB, back up LB, S, K, P(?). But it is also clear to see that there is still a core group of quality players who can reach 7th with the right directioning – that means (IMO) a new OC and DC (how dare I), who are willing to create a game plan for each and every opponent and at the same time are willing to admit that they were mistaken, and so are willing to change that plan mid-game. And that is probably putting a lot of the onus on MT – but he is the HC and not me.
But thanks for a great post, and I will look forward to your next one.
Thanks for the Compliment
In the 1st round, I would take best available between an OL or a NT. In the 2nd round, I would take whatever you didnt select in the 1st between those two positions. I wouldn’t mind getting a young QB in the later rounds as in Moore, Keenum, or Wilson to name a few.
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'm puzzled by Colon
Now I’m clearly no offensive line authority but I thought that Colon was a far better RG than he ever was at RT. Did the Steelers move him to RT because we were thin at the spot ? From a fans perspective, we definitley need to get a real T either through the draft or FA and move Colon back to RG. I think it would do wonders for our lineplay. Unfortunately the Steelers are old at the NT spot too so that could be more important to fill early in the draft but truthfully I can’t see anything my important than protecting Big Ben. Draft a lineman with the first round is what I say…
When did Colon play RG?
I know we’ve wanted him to for years, but pretty sure he’s always been the RT.
by average joe blow on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
He did at Hofstra
which is probably why it took him some time to adjust at the NFL level
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
No he was a 3 year starter at OT
Who was projected to be a better OG prospect by scouts he has never played guard from college on.
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Colon is a pretty damn good RT
Why move him when he’s playing well at his position? His only problem is injuries.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
The last time he really played was the end of 2009
Do we still know that he’s a pretty damn good RT? I know he’s still pretty young but two season ending injuries in back to back years have certainly shortened the careers and/or lowered the ability of countless players in the past.
by average joe blow on Jan 11, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
None of us know.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Any who said Chris K didn't have a good year didn't watch the last 3-4 games
when he was maybe our best OL. He didn’t have the stupid penalties that we are used to seeing from him and he actually looked good in pass pro for the first time…well ever
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+1
He played great after he was put in Tomlin’s dog house. Seems like everyone does.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Kemo is a One-Trick Pony
His specialty and biggest strength is a pulling guard on some run plays. Even in the last 3-4 games Kemo was awful in pass protection as he always has been.
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
He was not as bad as he has been
He has looked like a turnstile alot in his career and he didn’t in the last 3-4 games. Now would I expect a 28 year old 340 lb monster to suddenly turn into a ballirenia in terms of foot speed, no but he looked like one of our better OL in those games.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
His pass blocking
Was a lot better in the last 3-4 games then it was before that. Was it superb? No, but it was a lot better than it had been.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Playing a step above terrible for 3 games means that you had a good year?
BTW, who did we play in those final three games of the season?
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Kemo has made many a bad pass rusing team look good
he didn’t in those game
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Playing slightly better than terrible isn't acceptable
Especially when you only play that way for two or three games. Not for his salary.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
being an inconsistent player is a death nail in the pros even when your “up” games are fantastic. He fluctuates between “meh?” to “oh for the love of God pull that stupid bastard!!!”.
If Kemo is back,then I’ll be even more disappointed than I was hearing that BA the wonder OC is back yet again.
But who else do we have
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
the draft
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Everybody is looking to "the Draft"...
…as a solution to next year, but realistically, how many draftees that would fall to us would be ready to play as rookies? Without being forced to out of desperation or lack of depth?
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We shouldn't underestimate Sean Kugler
Gilbert was a second round pick, 63rd overall last year, he seemed to do pretty well. One thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking, is Sean Kugler. Sure our line was a problem. But to make the playoffs with all those injuries? How many different starters did we end up having on the line this year? In how many different configurations?
Sean Kugler, coach of the year? And even if he isn’t, he far from exceded expectations.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Good point...
…and Kugler has certainly earned whatever he gets paid, and then some. I was just speaking out from my perception that a lot of people seem to think that “just drafting” an OLineman will solve all our problems; it won’t. It will go far to fixing things down the road, but we shouldn’t think next year’s draft will the the panacea to cure our O line ills.
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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
True, no OCs in the draft...
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Kugler will make the most out of what he gets
But the organization needs to give him better material to work with than Legs, Essex, Kemo, etc.
Legs and Essex are kept on for versatility- it’s a deep draft for interior lineman. Pick up one guy who’s a stud, and stick him at guard. Pick up another who’s not quite as physically talented, but is still good, and bright, and have him take a roster spot from one of those guys.
Kemo: undecided on. He was pretty serviceable before this year- I’m not sure if he’s done, or this was simply an off year.
Bottom line: The Line needs more talent.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
We need
To pick up a FA G who can start day 1 for us.
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
Yup
And draft 2 who can learn the system, so that any interior lineman the team currently has NOT named Pouncey are not on the 2013 roster.
Except maybe Foster- he’s not great, but he has more potential than Essex or Legs, and he’s not as close to the end of his career as Kemo.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
There are over 6 billion people on Earth
You can’t tell me that we can’t find someone better than Kemo… and a hell of a lot cheaper.
McClendon
i thought he may be the surprise of the year (along with Gilbert). He played alot of ball and our run D did not suffer. Particularly in the playoff game when Hampton went down early. Love Big Snack, but he could be a cap casualty- and i’m not quite as worried with Stevie McClendon on the roster. But we do need another young NT this draft.
Don't Feel Comfortable with McClendon Starting All Season
I’m not going to say I watched him every play against Denver, but when I did he was consuming only 1 OL and he struggled against that guy. I watched him in the regular season and he didnt look as bad, so I’m willing to chalk it up to a bad performance.
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's a great pass rusher but
he’s a little undersized at NT in a 3-4 at 280ish
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He's bigger than 280
The Steeler website doesn’t update the listed weights that often.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I thought he looked very good at times on Sunday. Remember, this guy was an UDFA and is already playing significant minutes in the base defense. That is pretty impressive, considering that a guy like Brett Keisel wasn’t even this far along as a young player years ago. I think McClendon can be a starter for us after next season.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would love for him to start for us in a year or two
but he needs to gain a little weight. I think he’s around 300lbs, maybe more, but I think he should be around 320lbs+.
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He is around that weight already
It was reported sometime before the season that he was up around 315-320lbs.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
El Conquistador!
I loved me some Cortez Allen this year. He looked really good against the Pats and his tackling was excellent. And he was a 4th round pick.
Hopefully he can be the next Ike and Curtis Brown steps up into a higher role.
Lewis looks good too. I’m hoping these three can be the CBs of the future for the burgh with Ike serving as a veteran tutor, and Gay teaching everybody what not to do.
I don't think Gay had a bad year this year
the only bad play he had was compounded by the fact that he was asked to play man against a guy who ran a 4.3 40 at the combine and Ryan Clark showing his average at best coverage skills
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
"Cortez the Killer"
I’m hoping he develops enough to deserve this nickname.
and yes, I’m a big Neil Young fan.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
good read
A few thoughts though.
Pouncey – I didn’t think he had a great year. He was injured it seemed the entire season and got the pro-bowl nod mainly based on reputation IMO.
Legs – again hurt most of the year. Had some good games but it’s hard to judge since he played half the year with one arm.
Kemo – horrible and needs to go. I’d rather keep Essucks then him, and that’s saying something.
Troy – I didn’t see this year as being a great one by Troy standards. Injuries once again slowed him down and the lack of turnovers forced by him didn’t add up with the amount of risks he takes on the field. Many times he guessed and either guessed wrong or didn’t get home in time. This isn’t just on Troy, but when a defense is historically bad at forcing turnovers like this one was, then I didn’t see it as a great year by any of them.
Mendy – The disappointment comes from where he was drafted vs production for me. He’s ended 2 out of 4 seasons on IR, and his running is too inconsistent. A #1 draft pick at RB should lead the team in yards per carry, not just yards. He’s been beaten in that regard by Redman and I’d like to see the later get way more carries next year. Mendy will be a free agent after 2012, and I haven’t seen enough from him to warrant a big contract extension. I just wish we could have gotten a stud for the O-line instead of getting a RB who’s production hasn’t matched other RB’s in the league picked much later.
Agree on all Except One
I’m with you on most of these. The one I disagree with is Mendy. Yards per carry is greatly influenced by number of carries. Every RB average goes down as attempts increase. There is no way you can compare Redman with only 110 attempts to Mendy who had (a very low for him) 228. Mendy had almost double the amount of carries. He had a 4.1 average, which isn’t terrible for someone carrying over 200+ times.
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can compare Mendy in YPA vs many of the other starting RB's in the league
and his average is lower than a lot of backs who were picked way later in the draft. Combine that with Redman’s style where he hits the hole and gets positive yardage on plays where Mendenhall typically will dance and lose yardage and I think criticism of Mendenhall is justified.
The only way to know for sure is increase Redman’s carries next year so they are about even. I think he’s shown enough to earn that right, and I think Mendenhall’s performance as the feature back has left enough room for doubt where this should happen. At the very least, they need to know what direction to go after next season. You don’t want to give Mendy a big contract because he’s a starter, only to have Redman leave and prove given the chance that he deserved to be the feature back. It’s the only way to prove the point for either side of the debate.
he's still over 4 YPC
You know who else danced around a lot Barry Sanders. What do those two have in common, awful offensive lines. its hard to be decisive when you have to elude guys that are 3 yards into your back field as soon as you get the ball
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
tell me you didn't just compare Mendenhall to Sanders
that’s beyond ridiculous, there is no comparison, they aren’t even the same species. One is a top 3 ALL TIME back, the other is well on his way to becoming a foot note in the “who was that guy we had at RB for a few years around 2010?” Steelers pamphlet. Average production combined with durability issues is never a good thing when talking about a #1 draft pick for a team at RB. Mendenhall is average, and 50% of his seasons have ended on IR. The only reason his pick looks palatable is we wasted our #2 that year on one catch Sweed.
You’re making the excuse that the line is bad, so I point out that Redman has a better YPC behind the same line. You tell me that I can’t compare those numbers because Redman got less carries, so I point out that other RB’s with more carries have much better averages even though they were drafted later. Mendenhall had 228 attempts this season. For the sake of your argument I’ll only look at the 19 RBs that had 200 or more attempts. Only 3 out of those RBs had a lower YPC then Mendenhall, and you cannot tell me thatall of those teams had better O-lines than we did.
You’re mind is made up obviously. I’m only saying that Redman should get at least half the carries next year. If I’m right then he’ll also have a better YPC. If you’re right he won’t. Either way, doing this would increase the chances that they might both be available in the playoffs – which would be a rarity for Mendenhall.
Your Getting Posters Mixed Up
One commented on Barry Sanders, forget that point, quite absurd. I had the comment on YPC. I don’t want to call you a Mendy hater, but let’s be real, you are coming off that way big time.
Did Mendenhall have a decently bad year, yes. Is he as bad as you make him out to be? Absolutely not, your crazy if you think his career here was forgetting or below par. How was 13 regular season rushing TDs last year?
Getting back to Mendenhall vs Redman. There is no need to give Redman as many attempts as Mendenhall next season. That kind of thing is exactly what OTA, training camp, and practice is for. Mendy is the better RB, bottom line. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t get the majority of the snaps, wouldn’t get more playing time, etc… This is the NFL, the best player plays.
Another thing is this…..THE STEELERS HAVE THEM BOTH!! I really like both of those guys. This is a very good problem to have!
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm really not a Mendenhall hater - nothing against him personally
I just see him for what his career stats show he is – an average RB who has ended 50% of his seasons on IR. I’d love the guy if we’d have gotten him in the 3rd round – the fact that we spent a first rounder on him changes the argument for me. A first rounder at that position has to be a true impact player to make the pick worth while, and I just don’t see him as that guy. He’s a good player, but to warrant a first round pick at the RB position he needed to be GREAT.
I do disagree that Redman shouldn’t get more carries next year, if for this reason alone. Neither is a true game changer like AP, so it makes sense to me to keep them both fresh for the post season.
I agree that he has under-performed
At times. But he is the sort of back who if you give him one clean hole, gets to the second level pretty quick, and can demolish those guys for 15 yards at a pop pretty regularly.
Upgrade this team’s guards, and he looks better than most NFL backs. You can say that about most runners, but in watching him, I see more talent than most.
The other thing I can say in his favor is that he’s a good receiver, who does a LOT with swing passes- I keep yelling at Arians to try that more, because it almost always works, and it’s a better option than the empty backfield sets that result in WAY too many sacks.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mendenhall will do big things
Mendenhall suffered from several things this year: 385 carries last year, worst o line, lack of a traditional full back, and the most predictable play caller in the NFL. I felt bad for Mendy because it was very obvious as to when he was going to be running the ball. Fortunately for Redman, he carried the pig in less predictable situations. That being said, Redman displayed his ability to plow through defenders and run north to south. Still, Mendenhall is obviously the more talented of the two with his ability to turn corners, make big plays in the passing game, and really make things happen when our line actually does work.
I'm still cracking up at that
Your comparing a back with a 4.1YPC career average in Mendenhall with future HOF QB playing behind him to Sanders who averaged 5.0 behind a horrible line and zero help from the QB position.
Can ANYONE disagree
That if you were putting an all-time team together, and pairing other than Jim Brown and Barry Sanders in your backfield would be foolish?
He lost yards frequently, but I grew up watching Montana and Rice, and am still not convinced that Barry Sanders isn’t the greatest football player I’ve ever seen.
Put that man in Emmit Smith’s place on the 90’s Cowboys, and 3,000 yard season is possible.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with many points you make here
Polamalu is a very special player and has shown his talent and instinct many times to be among those in the All Time catagory. He is revered here and amongst most Steeler fans as incredible and virtually infallible.
To agree with your assessment of Troy is to join in on the assault of a sacred cow, but I am with you here. Does he make great plays – yes. Does he make some pretty bad mistakes or miscalculations – yes. It’s hard to know exactly what all the defensive responsibilities are by watching TV, especially in LeBeau’s defense. That said, Troy is a gambler and when a safety makes a bad choice it can really hurt. Some teams have very deliberately used his aggressiveness against him to great effect. The long pass play from offensive right to left vs the Broncos is a good illustration (forget which WR ran right behind him) of what his gamble can lead to.
I would say right now he plays for 2 more seasons and then retires. He is definitely a talented and 100% commited guy. His style of play is virtually unique but it is taking a toll and he also costs his team at times. I also believe he has bigger fish to fry and isn’t one who needs to play football to achieve satisfaction in life. I can see him moving on in a few years to other interests.
"Franz" in NoCal
Totally agree on Troy hanging it up earlier than some might expect
Every time I hear him in an interview, he sounds like a guy who doesn’t need football like a lot of other guys do. I wonder sometimes if his retirement is going to come totally out of the blue sometimes and it’ll shock everyone. Just sort of wake up one day and realize, “ok I’m done with football, time to move on.”
by average joe blow on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
This exactly
He strikes me both as a guy who sees the bigger picture, and is the rare superstar who knows when his time has come, and would rather retire gracefully than fade away.
I know some people who know him decently well, and no one says anything other than “top-notch human being.”
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nice review
I’m with you on Sly. I think another mini camp will help him out tremendously in terms of learning how to take on blocks and work his way to the ball carrier. This is a guy that can help us out in pass coverage with his speed, plus it was reported last year during training camp that he studied Lebeau’s playbook very hard during the offseason and came in knowing exactly where to be.
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Pouncey, then Gilbert...
Keep em comin Colbert, give us an OG in the top twp rounds!!! If not two in the first 5 rounds. Sorely needed….
NEEDS IN DRAFT OR FA
2 OG’s. ILB. NT. SS/FS. ??K.
CUT Kemeouto, Essex, ?Farrior, Smith, Batch, Dixon, Mc Fadden, Battle.
I’m pretty sure that if you cut 2 QBs you’re going to need one in FA or the draft.
And I really think the Steelers will try to keep Kemo, Essex, and BMac, albeit reduce the hell out of their contracts.
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by John Stephens on Jan 11, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I can see them keeping Essex as a cheap backup
but BMac was gone as soon as Gay and Allen jumped him on the depth chart and Kemo is on Tomlin’s shit list. If Kemo stays, it is only because they couldn’t deal with the dead cap space.
BMac is still a solid ST guy and a decent back up CB.
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
That’s probably what they offer.
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Player by Player
I think we are loaded on offense. Make a commitmment to building a nasty oline again and we will be fine. Make a decision on Bubble screen Bruce because our offense scheme is sandlot in nature. Run the ball as an attitude and we will be fine, this is really upsetting because this is the best offensive talent we have had in many moons.
On the d side of the ball. Love what Carnell lake has done to our DB’s. Like the fac tour yournger studs got real playing time but no doubt our pass rush has slowed a bit the past three years. Not concerned too much because out LB’s shelves are loaded. I thibk Farrior may have to move on but overall, I am fine wiht this group.
Speacial team cover and returns were pretty darn good but our FG kicker… Not there yet with him Bruce is the key from my prospective.
Where's Wallace?
Or, more specifically, where will Wallace be, and for how much?
There seemed to be quite a drop off this year in his stats, and he didn’t seem to be too motivated when it comes to fighting for the ball or blocking.
The Steelers don’t seem to break the bank for receivers very often, and AB is coming along quite nicely. I have to wonder if he’ll be used as trade bait.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Disagree Strongly
AB would be average at best without Mike Wallace. Wallace opens the entire field for the other receivers and draws their best CB and safety.
What it is with Steeler fans when we get a load of talent at one position? Why do you always want to unload someone? It is a very good thing when you are stacked at a position, specially WR considering up to five can play at once. Wallace + Brown + Sanders = keep them together for a decade!
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure it’s about wanting to unload someone as much as it is not wanting to overpay someone. To me, a WR you pay top dollar to is the guy who you can go to when you need him most. A player that no matter how good the defense is, no matter what the circumstances he finds a way to get open. Is Brown that guy? Yes and no. He was the go to guy a lot on big 3rd down conversions. But, he only had 2 touchdowns. He hasn’t proven himself to be a RZ threat.
Wallace, to me, seems to disappear in bigger games and still lacks incredibly at intermediate routes. He isn’t much of a RZ threat either, considering only 5 of his career TDs have been inside the RZ. And I tend to agree that he doesn’t fight hard for 50/50 balls or poorly thrown balls.
I like Wallace a lot, but I don’t want to spend a butt load of cash on him when he isn’t a well rounded WR.
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I like them both
but I agree with your assessment. Normally we only pay top dollar for one WR at a time. I’m not sure if the team is sold that Wallace is that guy yet. It will be interesting because he is a hot commodity in the league right now. I wouldn’t be shocked if we gave him the highest tender and some team desperate for a WR gives up a #1 and #3 to take him as a RFA.
Truthfully were in a can’t lose situation with him. If he stays then fantastic, if someone gives us that kind of ransom then it would help the team even more IMO.
If we slide that tender on him, do we get the picks this draft or next?
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
This draft. What I’m not sure about, is what happens if he signs with the Raiders, or another team that has no first round pick this year.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
I think, and could totally be wrong, we’d get like the 33rd pick or something.
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by John Stephens on Jan 13, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
I hope that isn’t the way it works. It can be argued the other way, but to me, 33rd is not at the end of the 1st. It is the beginning of the 2nd.
I would think that if a tender was signed for a first round pick, and a team didn’t have such a pick, that would be a deal breaker, and they couldn’t get the player.
But that is just how I think it should be, really have no idea how it actually is.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
How Much is Wallace Worth?
A Co-worker and myself were talking about this today. How many million do you think Mike Wallace is worth a year at present time?
I’ll also comment on the tender situation. He will obviously be given a 1st round tender if not signed before that period. Are you guys really satified with a 1st round (could be very low) pick for Mike Wallace? I know I’m not. Draft picks are a crapshoot. Way to much risk there. If a team has a stud who is PROVEN, you keep him at almost all costs. I understand the cap situation, but at the same time we have plenty of older vets we can cut and not miss much of a step. Contract restructures will also play a pretty big role in finding some space.
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
it's not the money
it’s the cap space. If we are going to have to offload vets on the team to get under the cap, then we might need picks to fill the void. Would we definitely get another Wallace? No way, but if downgrading that slot improves 2 other positions then it might be better for the team.
That’s the thing, I hesitate to call him a stud. He’s not complete enough. His intermediate routes leave a lot to be desired and he isn’t a big enough force in big situations (see 3rd downs and RZ). He can beat you deep or eat you up on short come back routes, but I don’t see him getting a ton of 15 yarders over the middle off crisp routes.That’s why when you compare him to all the other #1 WRs in the league, he has less receptions than them. And to go 5 games in a row, in the heat of a dog fight for the AFCN crown, with 0TDs and no 50+ yard games, just ain’t right.
I wouldn’t pay him top dollar, but that’s just my opinion.
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Compare
Fitz – $15
Smith – $10.9
Marshall – $10
C. Johnson – $9.7
A. Johnson – $9.2
Would you guys sign Mike Wallace to a 4 year deal worth $6 then $7 then $8 and closes with $9 million in year 2015??
by ThePittsburghLegend412 on Jan 12, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
No
I’d sign him MAX 5-6 mill a year.
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you, John
Motivation wise, I am now officially worried that Wallace is turning into a quiet prima donna (kind of nonsensical, I know) who, if not addressed (talked to seriously) during the offseason, will cast an even larger and dubious shadow on our young, impressionable WR group if Hines retires/is let go.
IMO, Tone was not allowed to fester here, from a quiet prima donna to whatever he’s become with the JITS. If the FO is to be consistent, they should not break the bank for MW unless and until he’s become that well-rounded superstar WR. If not, let him become someone else’s problem.
His motivation, attitude and toughness were definitely un-Steeler like at key times this season. Yes, 412, we’re hard on our receivers, but with HoF models like Swanny, Stallworth and surely Ward, there’s reason to. We expect more from our best.
Fly by night, away from here
Change my life again
Fly by night, goodbye my dear
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Re: Bluntonio "Wake n' Bake" Holmes
Tone was not allowed to fester here, from a quiet prima donna to whatever he’s become with the JITS
With the little tantrum that he threw during their last game, I’d say that he has become quite a LOUD prima dona with the JITS.
Maybe the Jets will want to trade him back to us for a 7th round pick. No thanks, Rexy, he’s your problem now. ;)
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Did I say I wanted to unload Wallace?
I’d like to see him back, for the exact reasons you mentioned (his speed being able to open up the field and drawing defenders).
However, the Steelers are WAY over the cap as it is. Wallace has received a lot of press as “the fastest WR in the NFL” and will want to get paid some serious buck. Wallace also slumped a bit at the end of the season and (at least to me) didn’t show that killer instinct.
Hard choices are going to have to be made by the front office. This is one of them. We’ll see how it all turns out, but I think Colbert would let him go in return for a 1st round pick.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
isn't it a 1st and a 3rd with the highest tender for a RFA?
I wouldn’t discount the 3rd round pick either. You can find stars in that round (like we found Wallace).
As long as a team can draft well, then getting a 1st and 3rd rounder for a player you got in the 3rd should improve the club. No it’s not fun losing a player, but 1st round picks are gold, especially when you are above the cap.
AB is the reason that this whole MW debate was sparked...
Is AB as productive as he was this season without MW on the field? If so, and he really is just that good, and MW is traded for picks, then does ES just become the next AB, and AB the next MW? I think the best situation is to keep the entire ’Young Money Crew" together, and they will bring out the best in eachother. I would not want to be the guy who broke up a group as talented and close knit at these guys.
Wow, that first paragraph kinda sounded like a 5th grade math problem, but the bottom line is, get BB more help on the line and watch the YMC set the league on fire!
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keeping them all is the best scenario
I just don’t know how they’ll do that under the cap with all the other changes needed on the OL, DL, and LB crew. Maybe they can do it, but historically we only pay one WR great money at a time – and I’m not sure if that guy should be MW or AB yet. In truth, it’s doubtful that we’ll keep both of them long term.
I'll give a snapshot by position - yes/no, who should probably go
I think the Steelers have a lot of options to remake their roster this off-season. They have a lot of guys who are easily replaced. When in doubt, go for youth and physicality.
QBs – BB and maybe Leftwich stays if rehab goes really well. Dixon and Batch should go.
RBs – Like the QB position, only 2 of these guys really matter. Mendenhall is the same as Leftwich because of the injury – what do you do with him? Some guys never make it back to their previous form and that can take 2 years post-surgery. Mendenhall has disappointed me in total for a 1st rounder – he’s no Ray Rice. Redman is solid and downhill right now. He is likely to be the RB in the safest position roster-wise. I would expect Clay to return to the roster or practice squad. Dwyer, B Batch and Moore will likely be fighting over one spot and it may be time to bring in 2 new guys. Dwyer has shown a few flashes but obviously hasn’t impressed the coaches enough. Moore is getting old, is small and offers little future upside. He plays well for what he’s got but that isn’t a factor in keeping your NFL job. Batch has a knee injury, really bad news for a RB.
WRs – A. Brown and Sanders will be locks to stay. Brown is the best receiver on the team and one of the best players on the roster. Wallace is a bullet but is not complete as mentioned elsewhere. He is good but is not a superstar, he’s only worth so much. Cotchery and Ward are fighting for one spot in my mind. Money always being an issue, Ward should probably be cut and resigned only if they have a void. That was really hard to type – he’s one of my favorite players of all time. Cotchery looks good and seems to really want to be a Steeler. One new guy will likely be on the active roster.
TEs – Probably nothing here will change. Miller and Saunders are safe and should both be back – one is proven and the other is big and has significant potential. Johnson would be gone yesterday if it was me but I would guess Arians likes the guy.
OL – This could be a novel but I’ll try to be concise. Pouncey is a no-brainer and will be back for years to come. Gilbert is young and talented, back for sure. Everyone else in my mind should be vulnerable but money commitments help many of these guys out. Who should be gone but will likely be back – Colon, Legursky and Foster. Due to injury, Starks is likely gone. He was the best money spent this year relative to need and performance. Likely to be released – Kemoeatu, J. Scott and Essex. The Steelers could potentially open up 4 or 5 roster spots on the O Line. Many of us would love to see some wholesale changes but that always costs real and cap dollars. Can we please commit to one thing? Let’s not sign the biggest, fattest, slowest O Linemen we can find !! Pouncey looks like a 14 year old boy standing next to his fat uncles out there.
DL – Another opportunity for change. Being that LeBeau is coming back from recent reports, not a lot scheme-wise will change. A. Smith and Hoke should not be back and both likely retire. I would include Hampton here as well – too fat and just not getting the push he once had. He’s not having a significant impact vs his salary and I understand he is $7M against the cap in 2012(?). Restructured salary and playing time should reflect that if he stays. McClendon should be in a good position to secure a spot due to the overall age and health of his line mates and probably should return to keep some consistency in the group. Heywood is a lock and Keisel had his best year but his injury may hurt his status. Hood is nothing special to me but is also likely to return.
LB – Oh boy, what to do here? Woodley and Timmons are returning for sure and their contracts virtually mandate that. Woodley is scaring me, hope he returns to form. Harrison had far less impact but will return for sure. Worilds? Not that impressive but they seem to like him. Farrior and Foote should both be gone but I think outside chance one of them may make the final roster. Sylvester doesn’t seem to be getting much closer to the starting line up but is a good ST player and they need someone they can trust out there. The Farrior/Foote slots should be used to provide a new ILB and the other spot used elsewhere on the roster like OL.
DB – 10 roster spots and only 3 guys are really impactful. Who I see returning – Polamalu, Clark, Taylor, C Allen, Mundy, Lewis. W Allen and McFadden are the likeliest to be released. Gay and C Brown are on the bubble. This could be it for Gay and should be in my estimation – his skill set should be pretty easy to replace if not improve upon. Brown’s injury recovery will be the key to his chances.
ST – Warren is likely back as Long Snapper and Kapinos did a good job punting and earned a good shot at making it in 2012. Suisham is probably 50/50 for 2012. He made his FGs in Denver on a cool day off natural grass with playoff pressure in a tight game. Can they find a better kicker? That’s always a good question.
"Franz" in NoCal
I disagree on Gay and C. Brown
you don’t cut a guy who had a break out year (Gay), or a rookie who was a special teams ace and has a high ceiling (Brown). I see BMac and Allen going, but for the first time in a long time I don’t see us drafting CB this year. If everyone is healthy, then I think we’re pretty set.
Who would have thought that by the end of 2011 that we would think that we are set at CB, with all of the doubts in the beginning of the year.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I get what you are saying
but I threw them in with those who may need to be released/traded/renegotiated etc. For Gay, I have no idea what his contract status is but he needs to be evaluated for $ value, contract length versus the young guys they have. Since he played pretty well this year, maybe he is trade bait? The Steelers are somewhere around $20 million over the cap.
C. Brown has an ACL injury yes? His injury like those of too many guys occurred late in the season. He and many others are effectively out for most or all of next season also. These injuries are minimum of 9 months to 18 months post-op to recover fully. Jerry Rice famously returned from a knee surgery about 4 months post-op if memory serves. He caught a TD pass in the playoffs and fell to his knees doing so. His kneecap-tendon attachment location had to be repaired I think afterwards.
C Brown, Starks and all the others with knee injuries put the Steelers in a really tough spot going into next season. May be time to reload 5 or more of those roster spots.
"Franz" in NoCal
Steelers need a reliable back-up QB.....
I may have missed it, but, I haven’t seen anyone really address it. Because we don’t have a reliable veteran QB, when Ben gets hurt, He and the coaches think He has to continue to play. In the last few years, Byron, Charlie and Dixon have all been hurt. We need a veteran guy who is not going to be a starter in the league anymore, but, can play for 1-3 games till Ben is back to 100%.
Suggestions? I don’t know, but, maybe Donovan McNabb or David Garrard are the caliber of player. I think that we would still be playing if Ben were healthier in the Broncos game.
McNabb failed on 3 teams this year...
…and Garrard had major surgery on his back or neck; no team in desperate straights this year signed him.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Keep Lefty as the vet backup
and pick up a new development QB no earlier than the 4th round. It’s a deep draft at QB, and we should be able to pick up a project with a lower pick.
I think the problem with that is that it's becoming pretty clear that Lefty is very injury prone
And if your “proven vet” backup can’t make it out of preseason without ending up on IR, then what good is he anyways. There’s no reason not to bring in another vet to “compete” with Lefty and a draft pick for snaps. Maybe they all end up healthy and you end up cutting either Lefty or your new QB, but cross that bridge when you get there.
by average joe blow on Jan 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions

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