BTSC Steelers Six Pack: Last Stages of Grieving Edition
by Michael Bean on Jan 11, 2012 5:11 PM EST
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IX - Here's something to help you take the final steps towards putting the Steelers disappointing playoff loss to bed. Or not. Looks like the Broncos opening play of overtime could easily have been negated by an illegal formation penalty for only have six men on the line of scrimmage. At least seven are required by rule. Hehe. Darn. Those be the breaks this time.
X - The Steelers will reportedly make a final determination about Hines Ward's future with the team by March. I don't know why some consider this to be 'earlier than expected' being that March is the start of free agency and the time when the Steelers will be executing whatever strategy they've devised for this year's offseason moves in free agency and the draft. One thing's clear -- Ward knows he must take a pay-cut and restructure his contract in order for it to make sense for the Steelers to retain him for a 15th season. Ward said as much in his Tuesday afternoon interview with Tunch & Wolf.
XII - Ron Lippock, who runs the outstanding resource 'Pittsburgh Daily Sports Bulletin', recently interviewed Gabe Rivera, the former Steelers offensive lineman who was tragically injured during his rookie season in 1983. Good stuff as always from Ron and the PDSB.
XIV - Luke Ravensthal, Pittsburgh's mayor, 'Tebows' in public on Wednesday to settle up his bet with Denver mayor Michael Hancock from Sunday's wild card matchup.
XL - One of SB Nation's newer columnists, Bomani Jones (formerly of ESPN), penned a great piece about the mess that is college football, and why he doesn't think implementing a playoff system would help one bit unless other structural changes accompanied it. It's a good read, and one of many reasons why I agree with mary rose's article from several years back about why the NFL game is superior to major NCAAFB.
XLIII - Here are the SB Nation blogs of the eight remaining teams still alive for Super Bowl XLV:
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Out with the old
A lot of quality vets that have given so much will have to be shown the door – that’s just reality.
BA’s play calling remains a mystery to me … how can a team with so much talent on O be so predictable and leave so many points on the field game after game … yet BA keeps his job? Depressing.
Lebeau seems to get a “pass” because of his body of work, but let’s be honest – his D has failed many times in many critical situations over the last 3 years. I think it’s time for new blood … at the very least an heir apparent. The ‘09 season (w/o Troy, granted) and the many costly 4th qtr melt-downs against very weak opponents? The debacle of last year’s Pats game? The game plan for HOU this year and another 4th qtr breakdown (Foster rolls 42 yards). The 92yd drive for Ravens, led by Flacco, which cost us the #2 seed? But this DEN game was really unbearable – and it wasn’t just leaving Ike alone against the team’s ONLY playmaker for the whole game; it was failing to contain Tebow on the left and forcing him right; it was the unwillingness to blitz; it was playing LB’s in coverage to cover nobody; and it was the failure to recognize that DEN’s only chance to score a TD in OT was on a big play (passing, not running). I’m still just sick, but I’m being objective, not emotional.
I think the FO does the team and the fans a disservice if they continue with the “biz as usual” on both O and D going into 2012. We can do better.
by Watty4ever on Jan 11, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If a defense system stops everyone over the course 13 years
Then I want to shake that man’s hand. The play you are talking about against the Texans occured because LaMarr over-ran the play to allow the running lane, the play to cap the 92 yard drive was allowed because Ryan Clark has average at best coverage skills.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Only Steelers fans complain about having the best D in the league.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Numbers vs reality
Any objective fan has to consider the quality of the Steelers opponents in ‘11 in assessing how meaningful those D rankings are …. we played Indy, Sea (before they improved), Jax (rookie QB who’s awful), St Louis (J Feely?), CLE 2x, Arizona, KC (Tyler Palko?), and Cincy 2x (solid player, but rookie QB). Even TEN isn’t a top 15 offense.
The only quality teams the Steelers played in ‘11 were BAL (2 horrific losses), SF (D was invisible), HOU (10min drive to start the game), and NE (our best game vs good opponent in the last 3 years, and I still feared that Brady would score on us with 1 min left). And then DEN, a team that looked horrible for the last 3 weeks and most “experts” predicted couldn’t score more than 10pts under any scenario. That’s awful IMO.
We had injuries and we do have talent, but the game doesn’t stand still and the D has come up short many times in critical situations over the last 3 years …
by Watty4ever on Jan 11, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Another one of these.....
Any objective fan
I love these posts, along with “any true fan” and things like that. Insinuating that any opinion other than yours is invalid right off the bat. Nice!
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Well
any true fan would know that I’m being objective, and that you’re wrong and I’m right.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
I took a break from drinking. You can have my fan card…
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Please
Any true fan wouldn’t give up drinking just because its bad for you. Think of the team first.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
damn it
busted….
I didn’t give up by the way, that’s for sissies. I just took a break.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Me Too
I’m not drinking on Sundays anymore until next season.
Oddly enough
Sunday was the first game I didn’t have some drinks during. So you’re “think of the team first” might be a good idea.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
great show
I try to catch every episode
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
One more thought
numbers ARE the reality. No matter what you can come up with, the numbers say “#1 defense” If there are separate stats for “best defense against the best offenses” then by all means, share those with us.
So many experts on here…
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
and it doesn't sound like you're one of 'em
strength of opponent matters when you assess how good your team actually is , whether you understand that or not …. that’s why teams playing a 4th place schedule 1 year (like KC in ’10) can come crashing back to reality when the quality of opponent improves the next year.
Yeah, KC’s decline had nothing to do with losing Berry or Charles…
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
or even Cassell
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
With an aging defensive line
marginal CBs, and a ridiculous amount of injuries we still fielded the best defense in the nfl. Of course we need to address some things and Dad had some bad games, but the last thing we want is for him to retire.
Also don’t forget how this league has changed against defense the last 3 years. Have you seen the scores coming out of these games? It’s almost like basketball. What we really need is to focus on why BA isn’t delivering a better product with all the talent he has been given on that side of the ball.
-You're welcome.
Wow. This is exactly when I come to my senses and recall just how spoiled we are as Steelers fans.
To borrow Coach T’s line, “the Standard is the Standard.” We just finished another season ranked #1 in total yards, total points, pass D, etc., etc. Was it our best season? Nope, and I won’t argue that the competition may not have been the strongest across the board. But let us not forget that our Steelers were not the only team playing these (losely quoted) “less than quality opponents.”
This is also the NFL where everyone gets paid to play, and anything can happen on any given Sunday (Chiefs/Packers sticks our in recent memory).
Our run-D took a small step back, but look at our pass D. Where did that come from? With very little pressure and very few turn-overs this year.
I tend to think this year was the balance to how poor the pass D was last year and how well the run D was last year. Far fewer splash plays given up this year, and in the end they were still #1. Tough to complain about the season in my mind.
We did not play well against Denver, that’s pretty clear. But let’s also give Denver their props. The game plan was correct in making Tebow throw to win the game. Sunday, he stepped up big time. I don’t like him, but give him his due.
As far as the last 3 years, let me ask you to come up with another D that has done better in crucial situations in that time frame. I’ll be happy to conced the point if you can.
It pains me to say it but this might be the year when the tipping point has been reached and the D has become only a complement to a high powered offense but not a necessity to preform well in the league. We will see how the playoffs and the subsequent years shake out.
Not that I’d want to see a defensive dominated league mind you. I’d prefer to see balanced teams who are able to play well on both sides of the ball to be the ones with most success.
+7 on...
I’d prefer to see balanced teams who are able to play well on both sides of the ball to be the ones with most success.
Unfortunately, the path the NFL is taking, and the trend as exemplified by the Packers, Saints, Patriots, indicates balance is out the window. The NFL appears to have determined, purportedly by TV ratings, that the “fans” (where’s that sarcasm font???) want to see high scoring games with teams flinging the ball all over the place.
The next “genius” Defensive coordinator will be the one who devises a scheme that will at least allow a team to shut down such offenses, probably as measured by restricting a Pats-like team that regularly scores 35 ponts, to merely 24 points. The measure of a “successful” defense is changing, and in my mind, for the worse.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
fans
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Put it between 2 @
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Maybe
But what if the Super Bowl is Baltimore vs. San Francisco?
by pistil_stamen on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
The world can't handle that much douche
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I live on the west coast and because a Jim Harbaugh fan when he was at Stanford, so I root for the guy. He’s obviously a fantastic coach.
His whiny brother otoh…not so much (but still a good coach).
by pistil_stamen on Jan 13, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
Not that I disagree with your point about the D becoming a compliment to a high power offense,
because it sure seems to be a pretty spot on comment. However, while our own O looked terrific in the pre-season (I know, just the pre-season), when the games started to count it wasn’t there most of the time. We have the potential to be a higher powered offense, but we’re not there yet.
So if we’re not quite ready to play in shoot-out games, don’t we need to be able to stop other teams, and do it regularly?
I would not want to see any slack in the quality of the defense we put on the field.
But the offense needs to improve. Other than the O-line which can be fixed during the off season I feel we have underperformed this year. The tools are there and I see no reason why we could not have a top 10 or higher offense next year. The only thing I am worried about is that people might have been right about BA and that it would be best if he moves on.
No argument from me.
I would love to see the O turn it up a few notches. In fact, how about we head into the middle 3rd and/or 4th Q’s with a sizeable lead for a change. Preserve the D starters by giving some of the younger guys a chance to play and learn the system on the field. Oh yeah, and keep my blood pressure within reason…..
I haven’t made a BA comment in a while, but I’m not a fan of his at all. We run when we should pass, we pass when we should run…we don’t fool anyone. We have ‘backs that can catch the ball, so why not more check down plays? That may be a little of Ben, but the last time I checked, it’s really hard to hit a back on a check down when they aren’t even on the field. Please get rid of the no-back set already, or at least dial it WAY back.
I could do without the bubble screens so much also, that sure seems to be over-used and is no longer as effective as it used to be.
Any objective fan
Stopped reading here.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
by Riddlah. on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Opponent adjustments
Football Outsiders has a metric that measure offensive and defensive performance on a play-by-play basis and adjusts for the quality of the opponent. In that metric, the Steelers were 7th in the league.
On the offensive side, the Steelers were 6th. Only two other teams were top-ten in both offense and defense (Houston and Detroit), both of which were ranked lower in both offense and defense.
Nothing to see here, move along…
and Cincy 2x (solid player, but rookie QB)
So, Carolina’s offense wasn’t any good this year?
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't Baltimore lose to said awful rookie QB
Just saying
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I was referring to Jacksonville
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Glad You Brought Up
Coach LeBeau. He has been awesome, no doubt and a better body of work, you will never find. I just wonder sometimes if the game is not starting to pass him bye a little.
- D I know, I know but I think that may have to do with some of the talent more than the expert D play calling.
I guess it’s not fair to judge until we can see him with a healthy D playing for him again.
a fair assesment
Goodell is is making the league more and more offensive minded. Makes me wonder if Coach Dad’s schemes are a little too old-school on occasion. Still, we are a consistent top defense, so who knows.
The errors you assign to LeBeau...
…were actually caused by execution errors by the players, and you can’t blame that on the coaches; they can only “coach” so much. As long as LeBeau’s defensive scheme continues to produce results like it has the past upteen years, you let the man coach.
On the offensive side, I think its time BA is sat down and required to come up with a solid, executable, and logical plan for addressing the fact that our offense was ranked in the low 20’s (again). If he can’t come up with concrete plans, draft choices, schemes, then it may be time for him to also seek his life’s work. If he can, and I’m all for giving him a shot, then on to 2012.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
well, nice thoughts, but..........
They are both staying and its going to be business as usual next year. So, be prepared to listen to another broken record for 2012
Agree re: BA, strongly disagree re: LeBeau
LeBeau constantly devises defenses that rank so damn high that you’ve been spoiled. We’ve all been spoiled. We expect good, hard, effective defenses in Pittsburgh, and no one has done it better.
If I hear one more “LeBeau has lost it, he’s not putting good defenses on the field, we really need to question why he’s still employed” posts, I’ll vomit. No, I really will.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sir, you are an idiot. Firing Dick Lebeau would be the stupidest thing the Steelers could do.
by Kreider on Jan 12, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
A rec for politeness
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
they need to have a replacement in mind, sooner rather than later
Not overly concerned if you don’t share my opinion. The mistakes made on D don’t fall just on the players, sorry.
Butler the LB coach is the heir apparent
Or so I believe.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
You're right.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Yep
And I think his time has come. The (latest) LeBeau era of players are fading away (Smith, Hampton, Farrior) , it’s time for things to change.
by pistil_stamen on Jan 13, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
Because the players are getting aged out, LeBeau gets aged out?
Ummmm…help me out here. Wait. Nevermind.
Nothing anyone says will convince me we would be a better football team this year, next year or the year after without LeBeau.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 14, 2012 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Simple
Sometimes you need to move on in life.
I am of the opinion that this is one of those times. I know the Steelers stress loyalty and continuity, but for 4 out of the last 5 years, the defense has not been able to stop the opposition in THE most crucial moment of the season (2007: Jax, 2009: Oakland, 2010: GB, 2011: Denver) Why is that? I don’t place the blame solely on LeBeau, but I think injecting a new philosophy and leadership just might change the ways things end up.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy and think he is a fantastic coach…but how much more does he have left in the tank?
by pistil_stamen on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Is it just me or can everyone concentrate on work better after the steelers are done
I have had my most productive week of since before football started. The double pain is seeing Big ben on the cover of my sports illustrated with the caption how far will they go.
by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions
producitvity
There may well be something to what you say. Yesterday was probably most most productive I have been for months. My wife was shocked at how much I had accomplished without any “reminding”.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 12, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Gabriel Rivera
Was a first round draft choice as a DT not an O-llinemen
Just Saying
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Senor Sack
was coming on as a rookie back in 1983, before his tragic car accident. Don’t recall all the details which led to the crash, but he wasn’t wearing a seat belt, and was lucky to have survived.
On the football field it really hurt the Steelers, Rivera might have developed into a Pro Bowler, and had a career well into the 1990s. Good to hear an update on the former Texas Tech player, wish him well in the future.
by SteelStealth on Jan 11, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
And passed up Marino for him.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 11, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
How they passed up on Marino who played at Pit is beyond me..
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Marino
Three reasons the Steelers passed on Marino. First, the Steelers had drafted a QB number one, Mark Malone, just a couple years prior. Second, it was decided the Steelers would rebuild the same way they did when Noll came aboard, that is, drafting a star defensive lineman. Third, Marino had a disappointing senior season at Pitt, and their were rumors of drug use. The NFL had been rocked by reports and arrests of players for drug use in the early 80s, and these rumors were damaging to Marino’s draft stock.
by SteelStealth on Jan 11, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
All true reasons.
Well, they were valid reasons to question him. I’m sure drugs weren’t part of it. Seasoned with retrospect of course.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forgot
to mention another reason for the organization choosing to bypass Marino back then. Bradshaw had undergone a procedure for his ailing elbow after the 1982 season, and was undergoing rehab prior to the 1983 campaign. At the time of the draft, the belief was Bradshaw would be fine, and recovered for the 1983 season and beyond. Unfortunately, as Bradshaw himself would describe later, he pushed the rehab too forcefully, and made the arm even worse, by the beginning of that regular season.
As we know, Bradshaw was only able to play the next to last game that year, lasting only the first half, as he sparked the Steelers to a rout over the Jets. That was it for Terry, he couldn’t even play in the playoff game versus Los Angeles.
by SteelStealth on Jan 12, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
and
John Clayton told Noll to draft Marino
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I cried when I heard.
I remember watching Rivera in preseason games and he was so strong and so quick that he was like Mean Joe 2.0. He would have been the building block for a great 80s defense.
Injuries can do that. When Tommy Maddox’s elbow got blown up and Big Ben came in and you could see in just a couple of plays that he was IT, that he would be GOOD, I cried that day too. Tears of joy and relief. Relief that the Steelers had gotten that once in a generation gamble right, and not wasted that high pick and set the franchise back for five years getting a wasted contract off the book so they could try again.
That kind of emotion is what tells me that there is still one more run in this team, if we can build the O Line and stay reasonably healthy.
by todd.stockslager on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
The point of this was to fix this
Ron Lippock, who runs the outstanding resource ‘Pittsburgh Daily Sports Bulletin’, recently interviewed Gabe Rivera, the former Steelers offensive lineman who was tragically injured during his rookie season in 1983. Good stuff as always from Ron and the PDSB.
Not a former Offensive linemen
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
As a die hard Steeler fan
The only thing worse than watching the Steelers lose was being at the game, and living here in Denver. I might never here the end of this Steeler loss after assuring every Bronco fan I know that Denver was going to get pulverized. I now have to continue to hear how Tebow is the best thing to happen to the NFL, ever. I also lost a nice sum of money/owe alot of guys beers right now.
At least Pittsburgh gets a higher draft pick now, i guess…..damn it sucks losing this early in the playoffs.
Steelers have the last laugh...
is Tim Tebow in The Dark Knight Rises? nope…
by shleeve on Jan 11, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
A rec for you, sir
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Finally,
some perspective!
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 12, 2012 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen the movie
but Hines looks great in the trailer.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 12, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's not out yet
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't it come out in June or July
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
NFL Network is re-showing the game in its entirety right now
ouch… ouch.. double-ouch
The Bronco’s cheerleaders are pretty hot though
" I think this is probably the best team ever assembled. They talk about the Vince Lombardi Era, but I think the Chuck Noll Era is even greater. " - Mel Blount
I’m sure a giant Terrible Towel would be draped over a skyscraper somewhere in Denver.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Wear a Steeler jersey & wave a Terrible Towel at a Denver public event to have been named...
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Impressions
IX: Methinks the NFL league office doth protest too much. That being said, the Steelers didn’t deserve to win in Denver, regardless of the officiating. We should have been able to get in FG range before the end of regulation time.
X: Ward’s disappearance as a key factor in our offense has more to do with BA and the meteoric rise of Antonio Brown than it does with any actual decline in Ward’s ability to play. We should let him play as long as he wants to because he epitomizes what Steeler football is all about.
XII: As tragic as Rivera’s crippling accident was, I’m ashamed to admit that the only thing I can associate with his name is the Steelers’ missed opportunity to draft Dan Marino. As much as I admire Coach Noll, that was undoubtedly the dumbest move he ever made as Steeler coach (and would have been so even if Rivera had become another Joe Greene).
XIV: Ravensthal now has two strikes against him. #1: his name has “Ravens” in it and #2: he Tebowed in the Burgh. No way does this guy get re-elected.
XL: No comment
XLIII: I have zero interest in trolling or even monitoring other teams’ sites. The Steelers are the only pro team that interests me.
Curious!
Interesting post on yahoo sports that questions another blown call.
What’s even more interesting is the number of apologists claiming it didn’t matter, rationalizing the Steelers got a couple of breaks int he second half so the touchdown play was ok. Of course, none of them mentioned the missed calls in the first half and especially the non touchdown where the receiver’s two feet never touched in bounds and his butt his the white line on impact. Funny thing, the rill states that two feet or the whole butt must come sown in bounds to make the play official.
Could have made a difference? Maybe they settle for 3 instead of 7.
His Royal Majesty Roger must be so proud of his amateur/part-time officiating!
Saw this
However I don’t think the Steelers stop playing cause the TE was lined up a half a yard farther back then he should have been. Fact is the games over not looking for reason to change the outcome after the fact.
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No, I’m not looking to change the outcome. Just that there was a similar play called earlier against the Steelers by the same line judge who missed the overtime call. That miss stopped a very big gain for the Steelers.
Just another example of amateur officiating in the Dog and Pony show Goodell has created.
Officiating
It is the overall quality of the officiating that is the real scandal in that game. I don’t know that is was balanced or not. I do know that the officiating for a playoff game was at a level that I would expect in a second rate high school league. For a multi-billion dollar enterprise, the NFL seems to have a poor idea of how to maintain quality and integrity.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 12, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t care that it wasn’t called. Well I do, but I realize that shit happens. I’m just going to bookmark the article so when someone says to me “The Steelers ALWAYS get the calls at the most crucial moments” I can say “ORLY?!”
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
We haven’t got calls going our way since the seattle pittsburgh superbowl. That game was just horrible officiating too
by Unleashed on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Refs sucked
It’s weird because NFL.com had a story out a few days ago saying the formation was legal.
I’m convinced the only thing that will “help” the refs do a better job is for Goodell to start fining them the same way he fines players.
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You’re right about the officiating. Both the players and the refs are employees of the NFL. If a player is available to be fined for failure to follow the rules; the refs should be penalized for their own failure to follow the rules.
I understand calls will be missed or calls made that shouldn’t be, but the group they have calling the games this year were ridiculous.
The Hump Day Mix took a break this week. As the female in the group with Arn and Slash, I can say I think I’m the only one that doesn’t look at the pictures… lol I’ll speak for both of my counterparts when I say thank you to BTSC’ers and all the visitors that support Arn and Slasha’s efforts and critiques of the half naked women and the HDM!
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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
zone blocking
That’s all I want. Zone blocking with our top tier Defense.
Can we talk about Redman! He was a beast. John Clay is huge too. Can’t he play some fb. Get a speedster in the draft.
by Unleashed on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like Mendenhall
But…I have to say, Redman did a lot this season, and even last season, to display his skills and desire to make it in this league.
My feeling is, with Mendy mending possibly into the start of next season, Redman will carve out his niche, Batch and Clay will duel for the 2nd spot, with Batch edging him out in camp, and Mendy eventually taking the 2nd spot the remainder of the way. I think his future in Pittsburgh may be in jeopardy, with his physical health & recovery being key.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 12, 2012 1:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We don't have the linemen to run Zone Blocking schemes
We have maulers not technicians
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 12, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I’d just like to say, no offense to Mayor Ravensthal, it sucks, him having that name as the mayor of Pittsburgh.
Loved the pic of Ravenstahl, thanks!
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by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 12, 2012 5:41 AM EST reply actions
It's too bad about the illegal formation on the winning td, but it's similar to the Santonio Holmes
excessive celebration penalty after his game winning touchdown catch in Super Bowl XLIII. Should it have been called? Yes, it had nothing to do with anything. Same with the illegal formation. It should have been called, but it really didn’t give the Broncos an unfair advantage, and at the end of the day, it was just a technicality. Still though, I wouldn’t have minded them calling that penalty. :)
Could someone not get the man an authentic jersey or at least let him borrow one
I hate those Wal Mart quality knockoffs, even if it’s just for a stunt like this.
by average joe blow on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions
Why pay good money when you’re just gonna burn it?
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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
The threads above about officiating...
make me really proud to be a Steeler fan. Contrary to some Pacific Northwest team’s fans, we seem to be able to take note, not necessarily forgive, but most certainly eventually forget.
Besides, the team indeed deserved to lose, as much as it hurts to admit. If not on that play, the same things that plagued it the whole game would have happened again sooner or later.
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 12, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions
I'm not sure I'd go along with "deserved" to lose
Since I saw the scrappy Steelers come back from a huge deficit and send the game into overtime. For that I say they fought and deserved the chance that they got: to win.
Regarding the “non-call”… I really don’t care one way or another about a “single” call; however I will say I’m more than slightly annoyed with the responses that include “well that never gets called”. Horse manure. It does get called and we don’t have to look too far to find an example.
You simply can’t pick and choose rules you’d like to follow.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
We did deserve to lose, I think...
When you are the first defense to give up three 50 yard pass plays in a playoff game, then yeah, we had some issues. We didn’t counter those plays with our own.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t say they played a great game and if the score would have ended 29-23 with the Steelers winning in overtime; I wouldn’t have signed the petition to give back the win.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
I'm just saying we had issues and in my opinion didn't deserve to win they way we played. That's it.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 14, 2012 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
loss
After hearing about how bad Max, Keisel and Hampton are, I was much more accepting of the loss. This Steeler team would likely have gotten killed in New England. Too many injuries made them into a shell of themselves in Denver. I can’t believe three DL guys played three straight quarters in Denver.
At least I still have this to make me happy
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
that's pretty cool
crazy to have the Tecmo-Bowl added to the championship series.
Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!
Not being smart,
but how did a guy named Ravenstahl get elected? Then again, out leutenant Gov was Michael Steele. Weird.
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