Hines Ward Didn't Get Enough Opportunities this Season
After the Pittsburgh Steelers were bounced from this year's playoffs by the Denver Broncos last Sunday afternoon, speculation immediately began about Hines Ward. Was he going to retire? Had he played his last game in a Steelers uniform? Ward insists that he is not retiring, and he's made it clear that he understands the need to restructure his contract in order to return for his 15th season in Pittsburgh.
Even so, some wonder if the Steelers should bring him back. At 34 years old, Ward is definitely in the twilight of his career, but I don't think anything about this season necessarily suggests he can't still play. Ward finished the season with 46 catches for 381 yards and 2 TDs. His 8.3 yards per reception were the lowest of his NFL career. However, Ward caught an impressive 73 percent of the passes thrown his way. His catch rate was easily the highest amongst Steelers wide receivers. Mike Wallace's catch rate was 63 percent, 56 percent for Antonio Brown, while Emmanuel Sanders only hauled in 51 percent of the passes thrown his way.
I'd need to go back and watch the tapes again, but obviously a healthy percentage of Ward's 46 receptions came in the form of bubble screens. And yes, I was as frustrated by those play calls at times as you were. But the fact of the matter is those plays are essentially an extension of the running game, and some of the few plays where Roethlisberger wasn't in regularly under pressure or sacked frequently. In fact, I'd guess that he was never sacked on those types of quick-hitting horizontal passing plays.
More on this after re-watching the games and isolating Ward's receptions, but to me, the numbers are pretty clear. Ward was still a viable offensive weapon when his number was called. Three out of four times that the ball was thrown his way, Ward made the catch. And on average, those connections went for just over 8 yards per pop. Not staggering productivity by any stretch of the imagination, but for a team that struggled to protect the quarterback or run the ball consistently, perhaps it would have behooved Bruce Arians and Big Ben to utilize Ward more regularly, even at the expense of the spectacular, big play down the field.
Obviously Ward can't be targeted too much for the simple reason that he's not able to create enough separation on many routes down the field. But Ward knows he can still work the soft spot of zones and use his savvy to get a half step on defensive backs in the short passing game. Again, it may not be spectacular, but it would help keep Big Ben upright and healthy, the chains moving at a more steady clip, and presumably help the defense by shortening the game slightly and minimizing the veteran group's exposure to wear and tear over the course of a long season.
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by stillergorillar on Jan 13, 2012 3:37 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Thanks for this article for two reasons...
…(1) It shows, using statistics, that Ward is potentially still a viable player, and deserves consideration for another year of play, and:
(2) it finally gets the picture of the Pittsburgh Mayor wearing a Tebow jersey off the top of the page of this website.
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+1
for (2)
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Speaking of #2,
is it just me, or does Mayor Ravenstahl (still don’t know how he got elected with that last name) look painfully constipated in that pic?
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
could not place the look
but thats it I’m sure.
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LOVE HINES!
Great article! Hines IS still a viable candidate, and we DO have room for him. Another reason we need Hines out there more: his blocking capabilities. Not having him out there for that does hurt us, especially with our current line.
Also, yes, we have a definite star in Wallace and Brown. Love Sanders, but his foot issues give me concern. Then we have Miller. Cotcherty may be back, but having someone like Hines out there as another dependable receiver can only help us.
The games he started in before his injuries in back to back weeks, he played very well, even leaping over a defender to get into the end zone. So what, he’s old and slow even though he can still nimbly make those plays? HE was NEVER the fastest guy out there, but rather, was, and still is, the guy that can get open to make the catch.
Now, since he played less, it was more obvious when he didn’t make the catch. I put that on the same level as Big Ben leading us back so many times in a season that when he doesn’t, it’s noteworthy. You have to look at the big picture, not the few weak moments.
GO HINES:)
Love Hines, but the coaches don't want him back
That’s why they didn’t pass to him down the stretch, to send a message.
If Ben was refusing to throw to him...
…then the Steelers have much larger issue in the locker room to deal with; I don’t buy it.
If Hines was on the field, the coaches thought he could make the play. Why he wasn’t on the field as much at the end of the season may be indicative of a lessening of the coachs’ faith in his abilities, but that might be because ever since the Lewis H2H on him, Hines didn’t appear to me to be quite the same.
I believe they’ll restructure his deal so they don’t have to pay the big bonus on March 1, and Hines will report to camp and compete for a position just like he has for the past 13 years. If he can make the cut, he gets a helment; if not, then he has a major decision to make himself on his own future.
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last week is a perfect example
Steelers have much larger issue in the locker room
They did lose to the Broncos.
I don't think you're even close to being right.
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if that was true the team would'nt have went out of their way to get him 1,000
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by michaelbro8 on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
The Steelers need Hines
I love young money, but the fact is that they need more time to grow up the Steeler way. There is no better definition of a Steeler than Hines Ward, and I would feel much more comfortable if they had another year or two to absorb everything Hines can offer. The last thing I want to see is those guys get a “me” mentality after this year’s success. Ward could provide the leadership necessary to make sure they all stay grounded and focused…and to be honest, I’d take 2 more years of #86, a true Steeler to the bone
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by Kid-A on Jan 13, 2012 4:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Doubting Thomas....
Great article Michael, those stats you reel off are really attention catching. Now, allow me to play the role of doubting Thomas (hey it goes with my (real) last name.)
- Where did those stats come from?
- Do you know if they’ve been tested for statistical significance? (That wouldn’t change the numbers, but it might show that those percentages are less important than they appear.)
The more important question is how would those numbers break down if segmented by the first and second halfves of the season?
By that I mean, Hines seemed to be a different player after he got pulled out during the Baltimore game. While it was clear early on that his production was going to be down from last years, in the early part of the year he was still making catches that counted (i.e. on third downs) and his hands were still reliable.
After the Baltimore injury and benching, he didn’t seem to be able to get in position to make those catches that counted, and he made lot of drops.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Hines and my heart says he’s gotta stay. But those are not always questions to decide purely based on heart.
by Hombre de Acero on Jan 13, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions
That's why upgrading the OL is so important
Hines is still valuable to this team because of his experience. He is not the first or second option. Hell, he’s not even the third. He’s after MW, AB and HM. Ben has to have the time to check down and this season he just didn’t have that time unless he was running for his life with his head on a swivel. The bubble screen should almost never be run. It is too risky because a pick is almost certainly 6 and Hines shouldn’t be the target because he’s just too slow. This offense could be practically unstoppable with the receiving weapons we have and Hines is still one of those weapons. All those weapons are meaningless if the line remains as porous as it has been
I donno..
While I agree hearty that our OL needs to be upgraded, I wounder if Ben should be pushed to change his playing style as well. I keep thinking of how effective the short pass game was against the Patriots and it seems to men playing that style would both suit our skilled receivers and shield Ben from further injuries. I think it’s important to remember that he was hurt while trying to make a big play and he never would have been hit in the first place if the had just checked the ball down or thrown it out of bounds.
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by CheekyMonkey on Jan 14, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
this
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by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
True 'nuff
There’s a lot of fingers pointed at Bruce and the Oline concerning the offense’s impotence, but I think some of Ben’s “gunslinger” tendencies are also to blame. (Not completely, but was a factor. Please put the feathers away and take the tar off the fire)
When Ben’s able to move and evade rushers to make a play, holding the ball can (sometimes) pay off, but when he was gimpy it was a different story. But he didn’t seem to adjust his play to allow for his lack of mobility and the game plan didn’t seem to change much for it either.
Whether it was BA or BB or both, hopefully Ben will be 100% next year, our O will be on fire, and this issue will be irrelevant. (a man can dream, can’t he?)
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Couldn't agree more.
Hines has been phased out as a key element in the Steelers passing attack. I don’t think he’s any slower now than he was 5 years ago. And he’s still just as tough and just as great a team leader. Furthermore (and you just know I had to get this in), if we had anything resembling a diverse offensive playbook, Hines could play a more important role instead of languishing on the sidelines.
I don’t think he’s any slower now than he was 5 years ago.
What? There is no human being on this planet who is as quick or agile at 34 than they were at 29. That’s a ludicrious statement.
by average joe blow on Jan 16, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
It's a way of saying that Hines has always been slow
but he was always effective.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
86 is a leader and is tough
I think we should bring him back IF and if is a big word. If we can either get Bubble Bruce to realize how to best use his talent or we temper Ben. All year we are trying to throw the ball to Ohio, when our talent is best served for crossing pattern throws and securing huge RAC. 86 could be used to secure us first downs and sit in the zone catches. Gang, you can include Heath into this discussion, completly not used correctly for years. I dont see us becomg a offensive line juggernaut over nigth so having hines spot up would be worth it but his leadership is something we need since the BUs has left.
I agree about Heath
He hasn’t been used correctly for years, because he is a true tight end who excels at blocking, and with our Offensive Line he has to stay in to block a lot and isn’t used as much as he should be…
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Thanks Mr. Bean
the whole “Hines doesn’t have it anymore” racket was getting on my nerves. He hasn’t lost a step, he was never fast, what he does comes in other forms (not speed and crisp routes), and he can still block and obviously his hands still catch, so yes, he can still contribute if he gets the touches. you think Ben has confidence in the guy he has primarily been throwing to for 7 years? yeah, I am sure those two can read each other minds when a play breaks down.
Love you Hines, hope to see you back again.
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Its about burst.
Hines never had speed, but he had burst. Ability to separate. Now he has neither. Joey Galloway had 4.4 speed 2 years ago, but at his age he couldn’t separate. As you age you lose the ability to start /stop. Unless you’re Jerry rice.
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by SteelerMessican on Jan 14, 2012 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
C'mon now, hines came out of college running a 5.5 40, he never had a burst, Hines has always been slow, that was not how he made his money
he still gets open just the same
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
He was quick (aka burst)
Quickness in and out of your breaks as a WR is just as important as straight line speed. The problem is Hines never had the latter and now the former is slipping badly.
by average joe blow on Jan 16, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
And this can be seen where?
All of this talk about Hines is ridiculous, the only thing that is accurate is the level of competition in house has risen dramatically and at some point you have to look to the future over coveting the past. When Hines goes out on his routes, he still gets open and still catches the ball, everything else is non sense. Just say what you mean, Hines is getting over the hill and the other guys on the roster are just too damn good. However as I wrote earlier this year and everyone was jumping all over me for even suggesting it – how much longer can you justify keeping Hines in the lineup when everyone behind him is so damn good? Early in the season, folks wanted my head for that, now everyone is throwing him out with he weekend garbage. Comical. But to suggest he doesn’t have anything to offer is folly. By the numbers he was the most sure handed receiver on the team and he is by far the best blocker on the team – seems he just fell out of favor to me. Easy to see how when you look at all the toys on offense.
Early on in the season I also suggested that A. Brown was the most dangerous receiver we were fielding and everyone was up in arms about that and how I wasn’t giving enough credit to Wallace and that all of Browns success stemmed from Wallace drawing coverage. Well, I was right about that too. Wallace is a damn good receiver, but he isn’t nearly as hungry as Brown who will continue to evolve and improve, and is already Ben’s favorite receiver. Plus, Ben can’t seem to get the long ball down, he tends to either over throw or under throw which has really hindered a lot of Wallace’s abilities.
So the question isn’t whether or not Hines has anything to offer, the question is is there still a roster spot for him. That, I don’t have a clear cut answer for, the heart says yes, the needs of the team don’t necessarily speak to keeping 6 receivers again this year.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I understand and agree with most of what you are saying
But I’m going a step further and saying that his skills are steadily deteriorating. I think if he’s on the open market, there are very few teams that pursue him as a starter. Our receiving corps have gotten better, no doubt, but Hines is also slipping.
by average joe blow on Jan 16, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure how to answer that
of course he holds the most value at home, but we are also not the most in need at that position and therein lies the problem. Is Hines the same cat that stepped on the field 14 years ago? Of course not, but his drop in production is a matter of targets, not ability. If Hines would have gotten the targets, he would have produced just like always. But how do you justify giving Hines on the tail end of his career those targets when we have such great young talent? It’s called a catch – 22, damned if you do, damned if you don’t, simple fact most likely is it is time to look to the future, but I would keep Hines for another year if the numbers work out. I can’t say what another team might offer Hines, he is a 14 year vet, that is a long time at any position, even kicker.
You will have to indulge my little analogy here, but I think it is the real issue with Hines: So, you have a well maintained Buick Grand National with 250,000 miles on it – it’s still a Grand National, but you don’t trust that you won’t blow something if you step on the gas a little too hard. That is Hines, he still has a year or two of good production in him, but he isn’t the new Gallardo or Aventador parked in the garage, he is the Grand National with 250,000 miles – old reliable and plenty of fun, but doesn’t get driven as much now that you have the Lambo’s. That Grand National may not be nearly as good brand new as either of the Lambo’s, but you know what? After 250,000 miles it is still ready to go out and stretch it’s legs…
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers facing some tough choices
Maybe it is time to clean house a little.
The Ravens did some analysis in the off-season (thanks to independent consultant) and then released two of their most iconic players (Todd Heap and Derrick Mason), as well as some other players that were past their prime or didn’t fit their needs. They added younger players who had more speed and versatility. You can’t argue with the results. They were a better team this year and beat us twice.
I love Hines. I loved to see him retire as a Steeler, but if we want to get back to beating the Ravens, win the division and earn a bye, then maybe we need some dispassionate analysis of our needs and begin making the tough choices. Just a thought.
I love Hines. I loved to see him retire as a Steeler, but if we want to get back to beating the Ravens, win the division and earn a bye, then maybe we need some dispassionate analysis of our needs and begin making the tough choices. Just a thought.
Our offensive weapons are fine, It’s the line that needs to improve
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+1
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Time to make some tough choices
It might be time for some house cleaning.
The Ravens did some analysis (thanks to an independent consultant) in the off-season and then parted ways with two of their most iconic and beloved players, Todd Heap and Derrick Mason (ok, Heap was certainly more beloved than Mason). You can’t argue with the results. They added younger, more versatile players and they were a better team this year. Not by a lot, but enough that they beat us twice and won the division.
Maybe if we want to get back to beating the Ravens, win the division and get a bye, then we need some dispassionate analysis of our needs and begin making some tough choices.
I love Hines. I would love to see him retire as a Steeler; however, if there is another player that gives us a better chance to win, then parting ways with Hines should, at least, be given consideration.
Catch rate...
Is awful misleading.
Clearly, Hines catch rate is so high becasue of the # of bubble screens/shovel passes thrown his way. The use of bubble screens can be defended as an extension of the running game, but then one really can’t defend using catch rate as a viable evaluation standard. Last week, Hines was targeted twice…both downfield…for a catch rate of ZERO percent.
Here’s the deal with Hines. He’s a #5 receiver who doesn’t play teams. That combo usually doesn’t land someone on an NFL roster and earn them a hat on Sundays.
Hines got his thousand catches. He’s had a great career…he’s won a pair of Super Bowls, was MVP in one of them.
Time for the Steelers to focus their efforts on resigning Jerricho Cotchery and have Hines, as Chuck Noll would say, “get on with his life’s work.”
by swissvale72 on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree with everything here.
Coming from a guy with a Hines Ward Fathead on his bedroom wall, I just can’t justify playing him over literally any of our other WRs. I love him, he’s my favorite Steeler of the 2000s, but that decade is over. Give him and Farrior an asst. coaching headset and hope they stick around.
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why is he a No. 5?
He’s a No. 5 if we spread it out and go four or five wide all the time. But if we ran the ball more where his blocking could be of value, used play action better as a consequence, and made it a point of emphasis to sacrifice some big plays in favor of lower risk quick-hitting passing attack, Ward could just as well be considered a competent No. 3 WR. Wallace, A. Brown, Heath Miller and Ward are enough weapons to be a good offense. Sanders is not that young at all. He’ll be 29 this coming season and his foot problems are a concern. Could lead to other issues too. Wouldn’t be the first time.
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by Michael Bean on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sanders will be 25...
DOB: 3/17/87
And I think he’s #5 ‘cuz he’s the 5th best receiver on the roster. Today’s NFL dunno if there’s any such thing as enough weapons. The Saints offense has been referenced in this thread…that of Marques Colston, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore, Devery Henderson at wides & Jimmy Graham at TE. Don’t know if any of those guys are on the field primariy because of their blocking ability.
AB, Wallace, Sanders, Cotch are all bigger receiving threats right now than is Hines….those are the guys that should be on the field
by swissvale72 on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
You had to use THREE "ifs" to move Hines from 5th to 3rd on the depth chart
At what point are you sacrificing the success of your entire team to cater to one aging player?
by average joe blow on Jan 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
What???
As a veteran receiver for the Steelers, how could you think Cotchery is better than Hines? They run the same routes and catch the same passes but no one knows the offense as well as Hines. Except, may be Batch. They, or Ben, is phasing Hines out. There is a long history of Ben and Hines not getting along, despite the seeming respect. Ben wants to be rid of Hines, and will use BA to accomplish that.
BA should be fired, but I don’t think Ben would stick around without an OC he can manipulate.
At some point experience means you're old
Hines has reached that point. I also have broken this down many times, Hines has always been a no. 1 receiver for us whereas Cotchery has been no. 3 for the Jets behind guys like Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, Lavernious Coles and Wayne Crebet. As such your receptions are not going to be that high as a slot guy.
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Couple thoughts on Hines
At this point in his career, maybe a new role would be in order for him. It seems that Mewelde may be on his way out, so maybe Hines could get some more work as an old fashioned Joe Gibbs type H-back. I would think he should be a great at blitz pick up, and he should be able to get some good yardage catching the ball out of the backfield.
Another thought is using him in a formation similar to the flex formation that the Saints have been using this year. They have a TE or back line up outside of each OT, and they are each responsible for chipping the outside pass rusher after which they go out into pass patterns. Given the Steelers’ problem protecting Ben, it seems like something like this would be a good idea to help with that. I could definitely see Heath and Hines doing well in a role that.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 13, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions
great thoughts man
Very interesting. Unfortunately won’t happen if Arians is in town.
Hines Ward would catch 60 passes from a Drew Brees / Sean Peyton designed offense.
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by Michael Bean on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hines Ward would catch 60 passes from a Drew Brees / Sean Peyton designed offense.
That’s the main reason that I could see Hines maybe deciding to play a year or two elsewhere, as much as I want him to be only a Steeler. Based on this last season, I don’t see him staying as a top 3 WR, and I would like to see him extend his numbers a bit more before he retires.
What is the status of BA? I thought 2011 was the last year of his contract and that he may retire due to health issues.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Whether or not it's Hines
This team needs a receiver who can reliably catch the short passes and move the chains.
Much more importantly, the team needs someone to explain that concept to Bruce Arians, who then tells Roethlistoodamnlong to occasionally check down, and go for the high percentage, rather than always trying to sling it deep and punting too frequently.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
We've had that in spades
Hines, Heath, Saunders, Shard & Redman can all catch (and it’s nice to have RBs who seem to actually be able to catch as opposed to Willie “Butterfingers” Parker) and then get some tough YAC.
But even though there are the occasional “everybody’s at least 15 yds downfield while BB’s getting creamed-thank you eversomuch, Bruce” plays, I’ve also seen a lot of plays where there is an open checkdown, and BB completely ignores him, and either throws a longball that is incomplete or gets sacked.
Brucie’s calls are sometimes mystifying, but I think that Ben’s “go-for-broke” mentality can sometimes get him (& the Steelers) just that, broke.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Totally agree
which is why they need a different OC to reign him in, or Tomlin needs to step in and be like “look, you’re a great improviser, but you’ve also taken more sacks than just about anybody ever….here’s what a checkdown is: Do it, or I’ll bench you for a game just to make a point.”
And then follow through if necessary.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 15, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Love Hines - but it's time to retool
1. If we keep Arians, we cannot and will not keep Hines. He is incandescent, and the contractor’s putting in fluorescent. Or vice-versa.
2. The football that Hines Ward played – where a WR occasionally blocks – isn’t going to be played anymore. The new game involves running really fast, not catching the ball, gesturing at the defensive back dramatically and drawing pass interference plays. The League doesn’t want rock-hard guys who get hit and jump back up smiling. That only encourages the defenders to play hard. Bad for the new demographics.
3. Hines is 34. He is not going to improve suddenly between next year. He is not going to break into the line-up over any of the four guys we have. And we can find a more affordable and younger fifth wide-out.
Can’t be afraid of change. Let’s avoid the 1980 and 1981 seasons if possible.
Id have to disagree
about his catch percentage being above any of our other recievers simply because he gets thrown the ball on the highest percentage pass routes… Did he have a ball thrown to him over 15 yrds this yr?.. verses our other 3 whom are always running the deep routes..?..
Id guess our other 3 recievers are = % wise in same depth routes, and Id guess AB % would be higher…
Given Wallace will recieve the FT this yr… were in the market for one more reciever providing options if we decide not to resign him in 2013… I dont see how Hines fits into that scheme of developing a new reciever given Cotchery’s likely increased role and younger age next year…
Greatly appreciate Hines devotion and production over his career as a steeler…but My view is Id like to see him come back in a coaching or scout capacity….
Cotchery is a FA. Wouldn’t be surprised if he re-signs, but that’s not a given.
Wallace is a restricted FA, so no need to franchise him.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 14, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
At least
He catches the ball when it hits him in the hands…unlike another receiver who proclaimed that he would break the single season yardage record of the greatest receiver of all time. What a frigging joke.
Bean Bean You always hit the nail on the head. Thats why this is so glaringly wrong
Again, it may not be spectacular, but it would help keep Big Ben upright and healthy, the chains moving at a more steady clip, and presumably help the defense by shortening the game slightly
As much as I love Hines and wish him football immortality as much and more than any of our all time greats, and as much as I think he still has a contribution. THE HELP “Ben needs to stay upright, healthy, and moving the chains at a steady clip” comes not from Hines but only from Bruce Arians and his schemes.
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--Aristotle
I don't think anyone on this blog doesn't love Hines
but I think it’s time to move on. A 34 year old receiver obviously has his best days behind him and we have four receivers better than him, not my opinion look at the depth chart from the end of year. You have to continually look to get better in the NFL as Randy Grossman put it, “NFL coaches are always looking for the total package” and while at one time Hines was a very productive receiver his time has passed. Hines was never fast but he had a burst and it’s not there anymore. If I hear well he’s a good blocker I may scream, you don’t keep a receiver because he can block a TE yes, but not a receiver. Give him a training camp and if he doesn’t make the team he doesn’t make the team.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
I hope Ward comes back for one more year. But if he does, it will more than likely be in the same role. I don’t think Hines’ skills have diminished that quickly, I just think the other receivers have just passed him up. And when you have a legend as your 4th or 5th best receiver, it’s kind of sad seeing him sitting on the bench most of the time.
The difference between Ward and Bettis, is Bettis still got the opportunity to carry the football near the goal line and in short yardage. Even though he wasn’t no longer starting, he was still able to make significant contributions.
It’ll be interesting to see how the Steelers handle the situation.
Hines knows how to find the holes in coverage
…which is something Y$C doesn’t do well at all yet IMO. Hines helps the most in red zone and when plays break down. We didn’t do well in the red zone this year because the pressure got to Ben (OL issue) and Ben didn’t extend as many plays (foot, ankle). If one or both improve next year, I think Ben would love to look for a dismissed, uncovered Hines Ward.
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Hines is 35 not 34
He turns 36 in a month and a half. He is “an old” 36 due to his physical style of play and significant number of games played in last 5 years.
He is very slow and is only a viable option when the play breaks down for Ben. He is unable to get open on timed routes. He was quite ineffective on the multiple bubble screens implemented so that he could get 1000 catches.
Make no mistake, he is the most (and my most) beloved Steeler ever (along w/ Jerome).
He won’t be back w/ the Steelers. It’s just now how the Steelers do business.
One more thing to consider
Yes, Hines caught a ton of bubble screens and that inflated his catch rate. So you could say he’s still got great hands and those little screens are an extension of the running game, BUT if you’re going to fling the ball out there to a guy in space, is Hines even the best guy to get you the most yards? He’s at least 4th on my list, well behind MW, AB, and ESanders.
It just seems to me like we’re basically throwing away a play in order to get Hines the ball when running the exact same play to two or three other guys would result in more yards.
by average joe blow on Jan 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions
Rec'd - Love Hines
Thank you Michael for providing fresh ammo in the Keep-Hines debates that have started. That contrast between the Young Money Crew (or whatever they’re called) and Hines in terms of catch rate demonstrates why they need at least another season with the old Master.
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 16, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions
I could catch bubble screen passes
it’s a not a hard completetion because you don’t have to throw around defenders
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 16, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention
Who is going to get you the most yards on a bubble screen, Wallace, Brown, Sanders or Ward? Ward is clearly the 4th guy in that scenerio, IMO.
by average joe blow on Jan 16, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions

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