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Crazy Thought: Trade Rashard Mendenhall?

Hey everybody. Tough loss to take on Sunday. Time to move on and look ahead to the offseason. Jason (big_jay) and Adam (seton hall) have already gone into draft mode with several excellent posts, so I'll attempt to follow suit with some pieces of my own, starting with my thoughts on Rashard Mendenhall.

*Just a side note I posted this same piece on one of Jim Wexell's forums late the other night, so I'm interested to see if there's any varying of opinion between here and there.

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Picture yourself as Kevin Colbert. Fresh off a painful and shocking loss to Denver, you're now sitting at your office desk preparing to initiate operation "Geezer Dump." Jerseys with numbers 86, 51, and 91 are being put into the "Do Not Use" commemorative closet, while you toss an occasional dart at a poster of Tim Tebow. As your eyes scan the payroll, stopping and double-taking at the names Kemoeatu, Chris, and McFadden, Bryant and their respective salaries, you pause for a moment at the name Mendenhall. You immediately feel a pang of sympathy for the young man and envision him hobbling around his house as he attempts to recover from the torn ACL. You are about to break for lunch and text Kemoeatu that to make things interesting, the only way he gets his '11 salary is if he can protect it from a blitzing 4 year-old (money well saved), when you are struck with inspiration. Quickly you call up Mike Tannebaum, GM of the hapless New York Jets, and make an offer involving your wounded ball carrier.

The Jets in particular are one of the few teams left in the league that still put great emphasis on the running back 2011_10_rexryan_mediumposition and what they have there in Greene and withering LT is underwhelming to say the least.They are of course welcoming in Tony Sparano in as their new offensive coordinator, but I think the run-first offense will still be very much in effect-Sparano is the father of the wildcat after all-meaning that an upgrade is needed. The Jets pick 15th in each round this year (too late of a pick to get stud RB Trent Richardson IMO), and while it'd be ridiculous to expect a first round pick for Mendenhall, I think it's more than fair to expect a second rounder in exchange for a back that in the last 3 seasons has rushed for over 3,000 yards and amassed exactly 30 touchdowns (29 Rushing, 1 Receiving).

What works against Mendenhall is of course his recent acl tear, an unspectacular 2011 campaign, and a pedestrian 4.1 ypc for his career. Still young however (he'll be just 25 in June), Mendenhall could very well still have some gas left in the tank, well worthy of the attention of teams in need of a good runningback. Outside of the Jets I can ony really characterize the Patriots, Colts, Browns, and perhaps the Giants as teams "in need" of a runningback. The Patriots are a pass-first offense that does not rely heavily on running, but I have to think Mendenhall would provide an upgrade to the likes of Green-Ellis and Woodhead. The Colts are going to draft Andrew Luck, and if Manning leaves than they may want to have a good running option to help ease Luck's transition to the NFL. The Browns look like they're parting ways with Peyton Hillis, but they may be the leading candidates to take the aforementioned Trent Richardson in the draft come April. Then there's the whole "never trade within the division" strategy.


As far as the Steelers are concerned the move makes sense on a couple levels. 1. The offense is clearly pass-oriented now that the receiving corp has blossomed, 2. Mendenhall will enter his contract year in 2012 (an additional factor that may hinder his value as his new team would have to end up giving him a new dDoug-martin_mediumeal if they invested considerable draft picks), and the Steelers are going to have a hard enough time trying to keep Brown, Sanders, and Wallace locked down long term within the next two years, likely leaving little money for Mendenhall, 3. The running backs not named Mendenhall are pretty damn good. I like Isaac Redman, Moore, Dwyer, Batch and Clay in some kind of committee. They can all run the ball and can all help supplement what could turn into one of the elite passing attacks in the league, provided the offensive line improves in the near future. Plus there's a kid named Doug Martin (picture right) out of Boise State who reminds me a bit of Jones-Drew/Rice who should be available at the end of the second round/early third, meaning that there are other, affordable options out there.


Even using Mendenhall as a piece to swap first round picks with a team higher up i.e. the Jets would be fine by me. Ultimately, with some of the veteran talent it will lose this offseason, this team could use a great draft in 2012 to help remain a contender next season. Additional/Higher draft picks could give Colbert and Co. the foundation to build the next generation of great Steelers.

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I think the idea is possible

Would you rather, trade Mendy and our 1st round pick for the Jets 1st and 4th/5th rounder or trade Mendy just straight up for the Jets 2nd and 6th round picks. For me, I like option 2 better as we would now have two second round picks. If Doug Martin is available in round 3 and the Steelers have addressed OG and NT/ILB in the 1st 2 rounds and no NT/ILBs are worth the pick, I think the Steelers should pull the trigger.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

We got a 5th round pick for Santonio Holmes, but you think Mendenhall coming off major knee surgery which will make him extremely likely to begin training camp on time will be worth a second and a sixth?

Tell ya what, if the Jets go for it, then I’m game, but somehow I think they won’t be.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly I agree

That being said, I think people completely overvalue the draft picks outside of the first round. Look at the 2nd round of Mendy’s draft. Outside of Ray Rice, Brandon Flowers, Matt Forte, and DeSean Jackson what is there? A bunch of 3rd and 4th stringers?

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d have absolutely no problem with trading Mendy or using him as part of a draft day package to move up, but I just don’t think the value is there for another team. He’s going to start the year on PUP, he’s going to need to be resigned or franchised after this season for another team to keep him, and his product has been good, but not special.

All the reasons the Steelers might want to part with him are reasons another team might not be too keen to pick him up. If the Mendy heals well, has a great season, and manages to get a nice contract with another team next year, the Steelers are likely to benefit with a nice comp pick. So, there’s longterm upside to keeping him even if they don’t resign him.

That being said, if somebody was willing to give up a 2nd/3rd or to flip 1st rounders so the Steelers could grab a guy like Decastro or Kuechly without giving up a 2nd I’d be all about it.

by BluegrassSteeler on Jan 14, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Ok draft trades are fun and cool to think about but trade mendy?!?! Why? He has the potential to be a top 5 back in the nfl and as recent as 2010 he was. The guy is 25 years old and to give that up for the crap shoot known as the nfl draft is insane. I do love redman but the guy is unproven. He has only had more than 20 carries once in his entire career so thank god the steelers front office doesn’t take it’s advice from this site. I though this article was some kind of satire or joke until I read it.

by Merle1989 on Jan 15, 2012 3:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Trading Mendy

It would only make sense to trade Mendy if you think his knee will never recover enough for him to be an impact RB. Otherwise we are better off keeping him.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't see it

Running backs are not exactly at a premium. Not sure we’d get even a third rounder for Mendenhall healthy. So Mendenhall with an ACL tear, I really don’t think so…

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by Steelfrog on Jan 14, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Let’s keep in mind he’s got one year left on his contract, so any team trading for him has to like the fact they’re either renting a player for a year, or they need to sign a running back to a long-term deal in just one year.

They know they can just keep the pick, wherever it is, and get a much cheaper running back who isn’t coming off major knee surgery.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention a younger one with better upside. Mendenhall has more value to us than anybody else. He’ll stick around for another year, and we’ll see after that…

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by Steelfrog on Jan 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They never trade anybody

and I would get him a full fledged blocking fullback to have him follow and take on the first tackler, Mendy will be a beast when he leaves in FA goes to somewhere like the Giants, running behind a fullback every play. His 2 biggest problems are finding the right hole and making the first guy miss and a fullback would solve both problems. Just because they are pass happy doesn’t mean they are good at it as 22nd in pts scored can attest, losing Mendenhall without another number 1 back on the team would be even more hurtful to our offense.

by SteelCity G on Jan 14, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

A fourth is really optimistic. In fact, I’m not even sure anyone would go higher than a 6th. That’s even a stretch. One season under contract, and just suffered a torn ACL in January. Way too risky.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

In a world where Carson Palmer nets a 1 and a 2, anything is possible.

However I agree a 6 is most likely. I was mainly trying to emphasize a 2 was not even remotely possible.

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by The Herndon Kid on Jan 15, 2012 7:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I would give a 5th max

Running back success is more system based rather than individual talent these days. Running back by committee is what works in this league and I would rather go this model

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 15, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That trade was a perfect storm, plus QB is a totally different animal. Let’s remember this is the same world where we couldn’t get a 7th rounder for Joey Porter who still had plenty left in the tank.

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by Steelfrog on Jan 16, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Also a world where the Raiders live...

…and the ability to shnooker them out of their picks vanished with the Palmer deal. I don’t see any other suckers out there. Bengals would LOVE Mendy. You left them out, and they are desperate for a RB.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

With that injury

I’d trade him if there was some draft value. Like you said, our offense is all about the pass. I doubt we’re going to offer him much, in a new contract in 2013. And he’ll be gone then anyway.

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by alfresco on Jan 14, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

I've been pushing this idea for a while!

Of course the ACL hurts value, but a second rounder is a good swap. We don’t get nearly what we should from his talent, so send him to a team that will.

by TorchM on Jan 14, 2012 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

Wow…a second-round pick, huh? You can get a younger and cheaper running back with arguably comparable skills signed to a longer deal with that pick.

Arian Foster wasn’t drafted. Ray Rice went in the second. Maurice Jones-Drew went in the third. These kinds of backs have been available in each of the last five or six drafts.

I would laugh hard at any GM who would trade a draft pick for a running back right now. And I’d even confidently say ANY running back. Way too many of them producing far more per dollar than even Mendenhall, who doesn’t make a ton.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Would you trade a second round pick for Adrian Peterson?

In a heartbeat. Mendy isn’t that good, but he has way more talent than we get out of him. So yeah, a team that wants a near top tier RB might take two or three heartbeats to make that deal.

by TorchM on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt say Mendy is a near top tier

Thats hard to define these days. On an ACL, no more than a 5th imo. The system is more important than the player, and Adrian Peterson is the best back in the league (when healthy) in this league by a decent margin, at least thats my opinion

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 15, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Mendy has the talent to get 2000 combined rushing and receiving yards in a season.

My AP comparison is funny because he just blew up his knee too. But still, there are a few running backs that are well worth a second rounder. A healthy Mendy would be one of them to a team that plans to use his potential.

If we get to draft weekend and Mendy is showing a great recovery, like many do lately, then he is still valuable trade bait.

by TorchM on Jan 15, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

Mendy would make a killing in SD where they actually use screens and dumpoffs.

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by stillergorillar on Jan 16, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

dont see it at all

Nobody will trade anything worth a snot for Mendy. We might as well keep him since he has been a workhorse for 2 seasons. If anyione could be traded it would be farrior, hampton, kiesel or a WR. Of them I only see AZ trading for them.

by Unleashed on Jan 14, 2012 7:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Why would you want to trade Keisel.

He was our most/only reliable Lineman this past year, and he is still VERY productive. You will get nothing for Farrior or Casey – not even from Arizona.

by Allen F on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think there would be interest . . .

above a third or fourth rounder . . . a healthy santonio only got a 3rd rounder

by VIN K on Jan 14, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

He actually just got a 5th

But his value was dramatically lowered by his off-the-field escapades and the fact that everyone knew we would release him if no one wanted to trade for him.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, the reasons Santonio wasn't worth that much were..

One) He had been suspended for substance abuse and would miss the first four games, and
Two) He would become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

So we got a five, and through some legerdemain, ended up with BMAC and a six, who turned out to be Antonio Brown. What everyone thought was addition by subtraction turned out to be one of Colbert’s greatest moves.

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by Homer J. on Jan 14, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting sidenote too, the Cardinals selected John Skelton with that pick.

Skelton had a lesser, but not hugely different season than Sanchez did. But Skelton’s numbers in his rookie year were better than Sanchez’s.

The Jets traded for Holmes, the Cardinals signed Kolb. The Steelers used them to get the first player in NFL history to have 1,000 return yards and 1,000 receiving yards, and the first Steelers since Woodson to be named team MVP in his second year.

Any surprise why the Steelers are 5 games better than their former Super Bowl foe, and four games better than their former AFC Championship foe?

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Guys…. It was a 6th round pick we got for Holmes. C’mon man

by Merle1989 on Jan 15, 2012 4:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it was a 5th. The 5th was traded to Arizona for Bryant Mcfadden and a 6th round pick.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Essentially, the trade was Santonio Holmes for Bryant McFadden and Antonio Brown.

Brown and Bryant make less than half of what Holmes does, and Holmes will be watching Brown play his position in a lot of future Pro Bowls.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

and Holmes will be watching Brown play his position in a lot of future Pro Bowls.

While pouting in his corner, of course.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That depends

If it’s during a game, he’s pouting on the bench, or in the huddle. But don’t ask his coach, he doesn’t know why his $48 million receiver isn’t in the game with their season on the line.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Coaches not seeing a thing… wasn’t that done already this year?? The Jets the new Cleveland..

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

+7 and a hearty LOL

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 15, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a 5th.

I’m pretty sure we traded OUR 5th to AZ for McFadden, then used the Jets pick for Brown.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

not sure i like the depth behind mendy.

Everyone except red is unproven.

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by SteelerMessican on Jan 14, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

i agree . . .

i’m a little skeptical on red being a feature back

by VIN K on Jan 14, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Redman is a flash in the pan… I’m not ready to put my money on an undrafted back who will be 28 next season.

by mike14101 on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

No issue at all

I have zero issue with trading Mendenhall. I like the current backs of Redman, Batch (if he is healthy), Clay, and Dwyer. Moore could be back in the mix as well. Of course if the Steelers could have an OC who knows how to use RBs successfully….

However, I do not trade Mendy for anything less than a 2nd round pick.

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by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 14, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Not Mendy's fault that the Steelers have barely tapped his ability.

Mendy has the speed and moves to be quite effective on RB screens and passes in the flat. Unfortunately, BA almost never calls these plays and, apparently, the team doesn’t practice the plays either. When Mendy was a rookie, the first thing we should have been thinking is how to make this guy into a 3rd down receiver. Running Mendy straight ahead will never tap his potential, so why not trade him if we’re going to keep BA and his stupid offense?

by Billy52 on Jan 14, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

Spot on

People have been jaded by Redman’s ability to run people over and have thrown Mendy to the wolves. IMO, Mendenhall has twice the potential that Redman’s has and will show that in these next few years.I personally can see Redman getting traded for several reasons: he’ll be looking for a bigger contract after his playoff performance, has stated he does not want to be a backup his whole career, will be 28 next season, and put his name out to other teams after the playoff game. I think Mendenhall is a better fit due to the fact that he is more versatile and can play a ray rice type role in our pass heavy offense. Let’s just hope the steelers will get smart and build up that line and maybe a traditional full back, none of this David Johnson converted TE garbage. Here’s to hoping for a speedy recovery for Mendy.

by mike14101 on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For What?

2 Sheetz hot dogs? I doubt we could even get that.

by biggcat on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd give Mendy away, as long as BA went with him...

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by alfresco on Jan 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Sheetz hot dogs and a slightly used towel dispenser.

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by Homer J. on Jan 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

People forget that Mendy wasn’t thought of as a good receiver coming out of college. Tough to shake that in the pros.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Half time Pats 35, Timmy 7

Just watching the Pats offense handing Timmy his head.
I wonder if Bruce is watching?

by 21in69 on Jan 14, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if LeBeau is watching?

by klompus on Jan 14, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point - klompus.

Everyone seems reluctant to say that.

by Allen F on Jan 15, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

i said

and will say again
IMO we need a change at OC and at DC !!!!
too stuck in their ways and not willing to change or admit, in real time (Game time) that they made a mistake

by Sch Lotan on Jan 15, 2012 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

  1. Pass defense and within the top tier in virtually every other department and our defense sucks?? The DC needs to go? How about the defense and the game plan for one, albeit big game was lacking.

We really were 12-4. It’s not a wild dream; it was reality.

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh. I forgot about that auto-bullet thing. You know what I meant.

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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys seem to think uniforms have magic powers and make tackles all by themselves....

The Steelers played virtually the entire Denver game with only three defensive linemen, after starters Kiesel and Hampton suffered serious injuries. Hood, Heyward and McLendon were totally gassed in the mile high atmosphere, without any opportunity to be replaced. They desperately needed help in the box, which meant gambling on the deep stuff.

Woodley was playing with a bad hammy, and it showed.

LeBeau lost FOUR DB’s in the last month. Clark was unable to play. Allen and Brown went down and onto the IR. And Lewis missed a couple games and was hobbled with a bad hammy but had to play. They were so desperate, they had to sign Anthony Madison off the street.

LeBeau personally hasn’t made a tackle since he took down that Houston Oiler guy a few years ago on the sidelines. But he was so short of personnel, it almost came down to that.

Coach Dad came into the game with a secondary that had patches on its patches. Early in the first quarter, he lost his two best and most experience defensive linemen. All this SEVERELY LIMITED his options.

Blaming LeBeau is grossly unfair.

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by Homer J. on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

this

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by stillergorillar on Jan 15, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

awww horse puckey…I want him gone, he’s too old blah blah blah knee jerk reaction full of craziness blah blah

On a more serious note, well said

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree! Calling for a new DC is close to being as brilliant as the suggestion that Tomlin has lost control of the team and Ben is running the show.

I’m having trouble getting past that bit of bull.

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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

since the near melt down in SB 43 how man of you have had near heart attacks as the D has let teams back into game in the 2nd half of numerous games……..?
all I am saying is that both OC and DC are stubborn in their ways and that a change IMO is needed.

by Sch Lotan on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

perhaps

you did not take note of the changes made in the way the defense played this year.

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by stillergorillar on Jan 16, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

agree and disagree and an interesting lesson in etymology

I would NOT want to replace LeBeau

However, after 15 showed that he could beat our man coverage deep we should have moved to a base defense. The DL was gassed and the Denver’s running game was effective at times. But I would trust our base D to hold up better than Taylor and Gay out on their islands. AND an 8 yard run is damaging. But a 50+ yard pass is a killer.

Was it the 2005 AFCCG that Belicheat dropped back 8 or 9 into coverage and made Ben check down/think? He also knew our gameplan and playbook, but that’s beside the point.

Hindsight it 20/20 but I think we needed to adjust the game plan in the wildcard game.

On the other hand, I was much better with losing to the Broncos. We did fight and claw our way back into the game. I thought it was a gutsy performance. I could not have tolerated losing to Brady in any manner. And while there is always a punchers chance with the black and gold, the fact remains that our team was decimated* by injuries and while the “standard is the standard” you simply cannot compete with so many starters dressed in street clothes.

After spending my formative years in the ‘burgh, I spent the majority of my life in Northern Virginia listening to “sportscall with Ken Beatrice” (that’s a posting in and of itself). One of his axioms was that in the playoffs, the healthiest teams move on to the next rounds. I still am a firm believer in that as evidenced by the really poor 8-8 Broncos beating a seasoned 12-4 squad.

*Decimate – Roman army would kill one in ten of a legion for insubordination, mutiny or cowardice…

by lloyd95 on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

+7

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I defend LeBeau and get chewed up. Bevel suggested he’s past his prime and needs to go as well. Ridiculous. Just stupid.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Trade Mendy? Try something that actually makes a difference:

Fire Arians.
Ask LeBeau to retire.

Yep, I said it. The Patriots, with their good-but-not-great defense, are shutting down Tebow—like any good team would do. Like the freaking Chiefs did.

LeBeau was out-coached in that game, stupidly giving Tebow the deep ball.
And why does the defense not force turnovers? The 49ers did it today. The Packers do it. The Ravens do it. The Patriots are doing so as we speak.

And Arians? Don’t even get me started.

Let Tomlin start afresh. This team is good, but won’t be great for 2-3 years. Prune the hedges now, and start over.

by lakerschamps on Jan 14, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

i can see firing arians . . . the body of work is there and consistant . . .

firing lebeau for one bad game plan is a little harsh . . . the steelers again had the number one defense this year . . .

by VIN K on Jan 14, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure it was just one game

28th in the league this year in turnover ratio. And the 49ers show that it’s not a choice between sound tackling and ball-hawking: they’re trained to swarm, soundly tackle, and get the ball. Same with the Ravens. Meanwhile, the Steelers (especially Ike) never sniff out the ball.

You can’t win if you lose the turnover battle. You just can’t. That’s why the Packers beat the Steelers in last year’s SB. It’s why the Patriots beat the Steelers in ‘01-’02 and ‘04-’05. It’s why the Broncos beat the Steelers in ’97 and last week.

by lakerschamps on Jan 14, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you see...

The way the 49ers tackle? Just like in the text books. No bullshit flying ape moves or anything like that. Wrap em up and put em down.

by biggcat on Jan 14, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. It made me envious.

It also made me pissed that they weren’t called for a single helmet-to-helmet (especially that crushing hit on Pierre Thomas to force the crucial fumble in the first quarter)—you know that the Steelers would have been flagged mercilessly for those hits.

The tackling was phenomenal until the very end, when both defenses were likely gassed. But I came away damn impressed by the defensive backs and linebackers (though ESPECIALLY the DBs).

by lakerschamps on Jan 14, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or Roman Harper's

helmet straight into Alex Smith’s ear hole.

by SteelheadOH on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, saw that too

I know the refs swallow their whistles more during the playoffs, but I still think those get called if they involve Harrison and the Steelers.

by lakerschamps on Jan 14, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas hit was legal.

He was not protected under the H-to-H hit rules.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No bullshit flying ape moves or anything like that.

You mean except for Whitner’s swing-and-a-miss on Graham that led to a 66-yard touchdown at the end of the game, right?

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

because

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by stillergorillar on Jan 16, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Turnovers are nearly more valuable than real defense in this era

by klompus on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense committed 7 in the first game. Kind of a deep hole to dig yourself out of.

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Just making an observation, not pointing any fingers at either coordinator

by klompus on Jan 16, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Another "Ask LeBeau to retire" call

Everybody is entitled to their opinions, but when you put your opinions out there, expect to be responded to.

A ridiculous option. Stupid idea. Bad thought process. Based on nothing but LeBeau being excellent most of the time in a league where parity is the norm and everyone going against you is pretty damn talented?

LeBeau stays and coaches until HE is ready to stop.

Everything else regarding LeBeau stepping down is garbage.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I can't see the value there for trading Mendy

No team is going to make an offer that we’d really want for him, especially after the knee injury. Even healthy, I don’t see him getting more than a 3rd rounder.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 14, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

Not enough value in trading him

I think people are optimists thinking we could get a 3rd or 4th for him in his current condition. I think we would be fortunate to get a 5th. For a 5th or lower we might as well hold on to him, see if he recovers or not and then decide what to do with him. If he is back to his old self then play him.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 14, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

If Colbert is eying extra picks Its more likely to acquire an extra 1st and 3rd from a team trying to sign Mike Wallace and not match the offer. Then I’d target Stephen Hill – 6’5’’ – Georgia Tech – with one of the 3rd round picks while addressing the Oline early . Brown , Sanders, Cotchery , Hill,

by steeltreal on Jan 14, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think Wallace will even get the top tender (1st and 3rd). I bet they give him a 1st round tender. He isn’t physical at all, and no team is going to give a first round pick for a guy they have to give a big paycheck to AND give up their top pick, let alone the top pick and a third round pick.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

really?

Al Davis’ body is now dead (he gave up his soul to win the super bowl against the redskins in ’84) – but I could see the Raiders going 1+3 for wallace.

by lloyd95 on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Raiders don't have a 1.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And Ward.

He’s not going anywhere IMO.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You've still got Batch looking to return

If Moore is gone, he’ll be cut in training camp. He’s not going anywhere in the off-season.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You're not gonna get a #2 for Mendy

Sorry, it’s a total bullshit claim to say we can get a two.

Maybe a three and a five if his post-injury physicals look real good and the right team fell in love with him. And I’d actually pull the trigger on that for the simple reason that NFL RBs are easy to come by and the Rooneys seem to be better than most at finding them.

All that said, I’d rather keep Mendy and focus on fixing the OL.

by theobserver on Jan 14, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

You hit the nail on the head

“GET AN OFFENSIVE LINE”. Not a line that is OFFENSIVE.

by Allen F on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Won't happen.

Prior to his injury, I would have seen as a distinct possibility, and I believe he would have drawn a possible late first round or early second round trade (I wouldn’t trade him for less). But after his injury, he has almost no value. I agree with some previous posts that state that Mendenhall is ill used in our system, and with another team, he would be a top 5 back in the league. After all, for the past three years, he’s gained over 3,000 yards behind what is consistently one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. He has speed, moves, and power, and most commentators speak of him already being a top 5 back. I’m not sold on Redman. Yes, he had a couple of good games late, and he is a talented runner, but he lacks the breakaway ability of Mendenhall. Still, I believe he could be a thousand yard back and I would be comfortable with him starting, but now that Mendy is injured, things will carry on as they are. Also, I’m not sold on Batch. He had a good camp until he torn his ACL, but there have been many players who had good camps and then never amounted to anything. Sylvester always has a good camp, but we’ve seen nothing on defense from him. And while we’ve seen Sylvester look good in preseason games, we’ve never even seen Batch play against another team, so I’m not counting on him until he shows something in a game. Dwyer needs to prove he can get and stay in shape. If we really want to trade someone who will bring value, trade Wallace. He really hasn’t proven anything beyond being a deep threat. And in the second half of the season, he was shut down. He can’t beat double teams. He doesn’t run good routes. He can’t adjust to balls in the air and he can’t make tough catches across the middle. Sanders and Brown both have better hands and more athletic ability, and both have great speed. Yet, teams love his speed and are high on him, so trade Wallace for a first and third while his value is high, resign Cotchery and bring Ward back at a cheaper price to be the 4th receiver. Draft a young, tall receiver that can serve as the 5th while he learns from Hines.

by motownsteeler on Jan 14, 2012 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

I believe he would have drawn a possible late first round or early second round trade (I wouldn’t trade him for less).

This is insane, teams barely draft running backs in the first round anymore, let alone trade for one. When is the last time a running back was traded for anything higher than a 7th round pick? I don’t even know, I’d like to know though.

He makes way too much money to trade a pick that high. Plenty of talent is found in the later rounds when younger guys who will make 15 percent of what Mendenhall makes are available.

Mendenhall couldn’t even keep Isaac Redman off the field, and Redman was an undrafted guy from a Division II school! It’s not that Mendenhall is bad, it’s that there are so many talented running backs all over college football. If anyone should know that, it’s the Steelers. They’ve been cycling through undrafted guys for six or seven years now. Other teams take notice; “Why are they trading Mendenhall? Cuz they have Redman?”

“Yeah.”
“Ok, so why don’t we just go find our own Redman and save $7 million guaranteed over the next five years?”
“Cuz we’re the Bengals and we don’t pay for scouts.”
“Oh, yeah.”
“We don’t pay for anything.”
“True. Better not trade for an expensive running back then. Just look over the police reports and see who’s available.”

by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Contrary to popular belief

In 2008, 8 RB’s were drafted in the first 64 picks, 5 in the first 24, so teams actually do draft RB’s in the first round. There just haven’t been too many teams consider worthwhile as of late. Even Mark Ingrim was considered by many a reach in the first round. The talent just hasn’t been there for teams to jump at running backs in the first round. But they would, because teams recognize the value of a strong running attack. Yes, it’s become a more pass oriented league, and yes, teams have found jems in free agent backs, but there are many teams who would love to find an Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, and, yes, even a Rashard Mendenhall, and teams would take them in the first round, as shown by the 2008 drafts. The fact that Pittsburgh doesn’t take full advantage of his talents, or have a line that is capable of blocking anyone on a consistent basis, shouldn’t negate Mendenhall’s talents. I’m not knocking Redman—he is a good power back—but I do believe Pittsburgh’s running attack would be better and more explosive with a healthy Mendenhall. It will be even better with the 1-2 punch of both. I love the humor with the Bengals, but it’s not that easy to find free agents backs as good as Redman and Foster. And both had work to do their first year in the league, as neither started until Foster in the final game. I think many people feel that running backs are no longer important, but many commentators and league officials, I believe, would say the opposite.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Herschel Walker, Eric Dickerson, Jerome Bettis, Ricky Williams were all traded for draft picks. Clinton Portis was traded for Champ Bailey who was at the time a top 5 cornerback in the league.

I’m NOT putting Mendy on the level of any of those guys, although I think he’s currently better than Portis and maybe Williams (and I mean this literally, right now). Mendy had too many carries last year and he’s got NO offensive line and we’ve abandoned the fullback.

Mendy was a good running back and the jury will remain out until we see him back from his ACL repair. The career of an NFL running back walks on the razors edge and in most cases, a small loss in burst or quickness or top level speed means the difference between starting and the arena league. My fear is that Mendy will have lost half a step and that will be it for him.

by lloyd95 on Jan 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Of the five RBs you named, only the Jerome Bettis trade is considered a good trade. And, in truth, it was more of a value investment by the Steelers in a guy who hadn’t quite worked out for the Rams. The year before he was traded was the worst of his career (let’s not count the final year).

In fact, in the history of the NFL, the only good top-flight RB trade I can think of is the Marshall Faulk trade. And that’s a real oddity of a trade, since it was worth a Super Bowl win and an appearance to two different teams. It probably should be considered the all-time perfect trade.

by theobserver on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

49ers TE Vernon Davis

This guy had an incredible game against the Saints today. He practically killed them single-handedly with a bunch of huge catches. It has been a long time since I’ve seen a TE as big and fast as Davis with great hands to boot. It seemed that nobody on the Saints D could cover him.

by Billy52 on Jan 15, 2012 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

if he was all that

then those games would be more commonplace. I don’t know what it is about him, he has all the tools, but something is missing. Maybe they don’t use him correctly or maybe he doesn’t always give it his full effort. Otherwise he’d be a monster.

Or is it that he’s on the west coast and noone notices his dominance?

by lloyd95 on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Check this:

Jimmy Graham (1310) from Brees (5476) = 23.9%
Rob Gronkowski (1327) from Brady (5235) = 25.3%
Jason Witten (942) from Romo (4184) = 22.5%

Vernon Davis (792) from Smith (3144) = 25.2%

Telling huh? He is utilized pretty much the exact same percentage of yardage in his offensive system as Rob Gronkowski is in the Patriots offensive system.

He still produces, dont you worry about that

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Injury deflates value

True, but given his youth and relative lack of major leg injuries (I feel like he’s had a significant hammy) I can’t see him being totally worthless. Maybe a second is unrealistic but the production is there. As I titled the post it is a “crazy thought.”

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

My problem with Mendy....

I wouldn’t trade him but I would work on his patience at the line and him running left. The Steelers have probably 9n% of their runs going to the right, but many times he could be patient and take the run left to the backside and make yards. 22 Double doesn’t work all the time and teams looked for it and filled the holes quickly.

by ColinP on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

You are correct

That was usually our first play of the game. Mendy going right. Rarely with a lot of success.

by Allen F on Jan 15, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey diddle, diddle, Rogel up the middle......

Predictability on the first play is a Steeler tradition.

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by Homer J. on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I can remember the Redskins doing that with Riggins towards the end of his career

It was predictable, And he would get creamed. Time for Arians to change doing that with Mendy.

by Allen F on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Tomlin, Arians' lack of foresight and talent eval. blows this opportunity...

This would have been a great idea before the injury occurred. Unfortunately, the only reason it’s being considered is the success of Isaac Redman when he had to step up. If he was allowed to do so before the injury, other teams would have jumped at it. As it is, no team will trade for a hobbled running back when there are so very many recent successes from low draft picks or UFA’s. For whatever reason, stats and success seem to make no difference to the coaches. Isaac’s better prduction with the opportunities he received always seemed to be shrugged off week to week. “Now” is the most important..but I feel peeking at “later” isn’t illegal. If they had given Redman a few more carries to see if he could continue his superior production-what would it have hurt? It may have helped. If they had tried it and Mendenhall did not get hurt- “Bye, bye Mendenhall…” And we would get value for a talented, perhaps disgruntled running back. But that didn’t happen, and it’s just too late now…Oh-and I’d wait to see how Baron Batch has recovered in the off season before I’d draft any more running backs this year.

by VinnySteel on Jan 15, 2012 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

Soft,not soft, or coached up? who really knows

Gang-

I will stay on my soap box here and say #34 can be coached up and be very productive. His mind set is the big play every time he touches the ball. He is big enough to get three to four per carry and serve a purpose for us. I only say this because I dont see anyone in this day and age making a trade for a RB and giving up much for him. We have also lost our mindset of running the ball, running the ball is an attitude and we dont have it anymore. Also, how about a FB in front of him. I though h was a bit soft but I am not sure. I would like to see a good offense scheme before I start to lose value on our first round picks. If we can get equal value… do it but Steeler reality has to set in.

by TampaLen on Jan 15, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

The Steelers dont rebuild, we reload

Shonn Greenes terrible, Michael Turner is fastly slowing down and the Colts since theyre going to rebuild with Luck they need a decent back and Donald Brown and Delone Carter are not going to be the answer for them, i could see one of these 3 possibly dealing a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a 25 year old RB even if he is coming off an injury. Give Jonathan Dwyer a chance to be the lead back next year! keep Redman as the short yardage back and Baron Batch takes over for Mewelde in the 3rd down spot. Draft Burfict or Kuechly to take over for Farrior, I know we dont go after free agents EVER but change that this year and go hard after Brent Grimes or Cortland Finnegan. Draft a young defensive tackle like Alameda Ta’amu from Washington or Josh Chapman from Alabama. I love Da Beard Brett Keisel but its time for Cam Heyward to take over as starter. The Steelers are a loyal organization and the best in the business but its time to let the old men walk and reload with youth! We’re not going to get to the top of the stairway to seven with these old men using their walkers.

by Dcarter on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

What?

Johnathan Dwyer doesn’t even deserve to be on the team, let alone take carries from Mendy and Redman. Consistently out of shape and still fails to fully grasp and NFL offense. I can’t imagine what would make you think Dwyer is even capable of carrying a full work load?

by mike14101 on Jan 15, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, we should totally go for Cortland Finnegan....

…because there’s a glaring shortage of complete assholes and penalty machines.

He’s SOOO much better than Ike, Lewis, Brown, Allen, and Gay. Yep. M’kay.

The only possible upside to In-again, Out-again, Flagged-again Finnegan in a Steeler uniform is that Finnegan’s shenanigans might divert officials from Deebo.

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by Homer J. on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We can make it a Trifecta if we go get Santonio and Plax, too. Hell if you’re going for cancer, why not get it over with quickly.

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

So you agree we need more complete assholes and penalty machines?

That’s the ticket to seven!

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by Homer J. on Jan 15, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

We've been a little lacking in the complete asshole and penalty machine dept. the past couple of years

If we’re lucky, Suh will be available, too. I mean, seriously. Those suspended guys add so much to the field when they aren’t forbidden to be in contact with the team.

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for putting that into the correct context. Cortland Finnegan….My head is shaking at that thought as much as it was for the suggestion that we should bring Mike Martz in as OC

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And let's not forget Albert Haynesworth!

We could pick him up, along with a 55-gallon drum of Preparation-H.

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by Homer J. on Jan 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Brandon Merriweather to take over for Clark?

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

While the idea of adding by subtraction is good...

…there is a basic flaw in your premise:

The running backs not named Mendenhall are pretty damn good. I like Isaac Redman, Moore, Dwyer, Batch and Clay in some kind of committee.

Moore is coming off of an injury, and is getting old; Dwyer is coming off an injury, and only had 1 good game this year; we’ve never seen Batch in a game yet; Clay is a noob with one game experience.

On the basis of this, a trade of Mendy would leave us with one proven back; Redman and a collection of guesses.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 15, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

It's true

They are unproven yes, but look at how much of a backseat the running game took to the passing game this year. I think Batch and the rest are more than capable of filling in as a 2nd string to Redman. Sure Redman could get hurt, and then there’s some uncertainty, but how is that any different from when we rely on a backup at any other position?

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jan 15, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

RBs are of little value

Unless you have a killer offensive line, a killer RB means nothing.

Yeah, when you get it firing like the Terrell Davis era Broncos did, then having a back who can fully exploit the OL’s efforts matters. But, with a group like Maurkice and the Whos it doesn’t matter because every RB is just a tackling dummy.

by theobserver on Jan 18, 2012 4:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a better idea for a trade...that is doable!

how about Wallace, to dolphins for Mike Pouncey?

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Wallace for Pouncey

This is an awesome idea. I like Mike Wallace, but he is too easily taken out of the game. Pouncy would fill a HUGE hole in the o-line. We have plenty of talent at WR and I believe Ward still has another year left. Rooney needs to have a looooooooong talk with Tomlin and especially Arians about how we need to get back to the run. I realize the league is becoming more pass oriented, but ball control and sustained drives win games. The Steelers are hardly a threat to run the ball anymore. We only really run out of 1 or 2 formations. We need some new o-line and a REAL FULLBACK. We need an OC who is intelligent enought to adapt to what the defense is showing. We need to be able to run out of passing formations and pass out of running formations. We need to be able to run in the redzone, not be forced to pass. We only converted 52% of our redzone trips into touchdowns. I wonder how many turnovers we had in the redzone though…
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by Spoon059 on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

I would never trade an explosive wide receiver for a mere offensive lineman. Now, if they throw in a second round pick as well, we might talk.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Dolphins would never bite on that

They have Brandon Marshall, #1 receiver. Then you have Davone Bess the #2 chain mover. Wallace is better than Bess but the Dolphins arent going to trade a starting 1st round OG two years into his rookie contract for a #2 receiver

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 15, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Steelers will be more successful with a Redman style back, not a Mendy style back

Two reasons….

1) Runs up to the 10 – Mendy needs a hole to explode through to setup a move or spin and then sprint for the splash. Our OL normally makes a crease, not a hole, so Mendy tries to use the move before or at the line to generate the hole. That normally results in him getting shut down against above average run defenses. Redman hits the crease to make the hole and then drags guys with him. Since we’re shifting more and more to a throwing offense, we only need Redman-like running up to the 10 to keep opposing D’s honest knowing that hard, chain moving yards are more likely than not from our running game. Splasy runs are nice, but really not required.

2) 1st and goal running – Mendy has enough size needed to be a 1st and goal back but isn’t successful when everyone is in the box, since he hesitates on runs other than a goal line leap. That said, he likely may not run the same way when he’s healthy. Making cuts is as much of a mental challenge as a physical challenge when coming off that injury. To prove he can play soon but not risk being reinjured, he may only have the confidence to go hard north/south. So maybe the injury will force Mendy to run more like Redman, which IMO is the best possible scenario….two N/S runners.

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by VA6BurghFan on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Ive not been

Mendy’s biggest fan, mostly because I feel he’s under performed for such a high draft pick… compared to say Ray Rice taken in the second…
Part of the problem is our specific run game philosophy..trap and either side of tackle run game… without a change in that game plan and OL personel (which I think we clearly need to modify) Mendy’s 1st round 23rd overall value will never be realized..
I dont see how you can suggest, batch, clay, redman, melde, can get the job done…
Batch is a complete unknown prospect in regular season action and suffered a significant knee injury… melde has always given 100 % but also is aging, and Clay another complete regular season unknown with about 10-15 carries… Redman is a SOLID second back, borderling 1st back…. I just dont see enough talent combined to enter the 2012 season with that line up… I also have concerns that Mendy will recover from his injury by season start also creating issue for trade bait…. and find Dwyers efforts to date sub par to our draft hopes… Im in agreement we need to do something at running back…. maybe one of these guys will step up in 2012 and our coaching staff has a better insight… I havent seen it to date… Im a big fan of the miller kid out of miami if he enters the draft… time will tell if KC and out draft department also sees a void in our running game and depth…
Kemo is gone im certain this yr, as I think Im not the only one who views his negatives out weigh his contributions… but Essex and Legursky will be kept…which brings me to changing our run philosophy….what good is it drafting a 1st round guard if we are not going to run the ball between the guards.. we obviously need depth at guard, but without a change in philosophy to me would be a wasted 1st round pick… just so happens this draft yr has what I consider only 1 stand out in the top 32 at guard, but some excellent depth with slight drop off in the 2nd n 3rd rounds…Im guessing thats where we will be adding OL help to the roster…
Given that thought process, to me our most glaring weekness is still DL…. Ziggy was a big under performer this yr with Heyward more impressive…and Mclendon stepped up nicely…but the rest of our DL is a mess, both with age and injury… I feel we need a game changer Dlineman, and that isnt neccesarily NT… Im not sure what our draft philosophy will be…but it was glaringly clear yesterday in the SF-NO game…that a 4 down line that can apply pressure on every play trumps the 4-5 rec. set with 7 in coverage… Im hoping we start to draft personel to meet that goal…thus really would like us to trade up to get the best DE in the draft… we desperately need a game changer on the DL … say 4 down Ziggy- Heyward- Mclendon- 1st round pick … just cant think of a better place to use our 1st rounder this yr… too much $$$ already invested in LB and ample depth… a new group of CB’s with great promise, and good depth at S.. I like the Mundy kid, and Allen is a proven vet…
In a perfect world would be great to get the DE, RB metioned, and G in the first 3 rounds…
Weve got 3 backs now went down with significant knee injuries… something needs to be done but doubt trading Mendy is something that can be accomplished, nor does it neccesarily improve our problems at the position… If was possible to trade him for a second and it be high enough to get the Miller kid in the second….. Id be the biggest supporter….

by OR69faithfull on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Not happening

Mendenhall has a year left on his current deal, and is coming off of a major injury. No GM in their right mind is going to trade a draft pick for a player who won’t be able to play at 100% for the one season that they are guaranteed to have him on the roster. They also won’t be able to come to terms on a contract extension, because who wants to give a long term deal to a RB who just wrecked his knee.

by Greig Clawson on Jan 15, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

IMO Mendenhall Would Be Cut But Not Traded

Tearing an ACL is a serious injury. It takes a while to get back to form. McGehee is only now just getting it back and being more than a 3.5 ypc runner.

With that injury and Mendenhall being in a contract year, no one would trade a draft pick for him. Mendenhall will fight to get back on the field in 2012. He will probably start out PUP and if the Steelers draft a RB, Dwyer continues to improve & Batch is healthy and productive it is not inconceivable that the Steelers could “injury settlement” Mendenhall & move on with Isaac “Jim Brown” Redman.

Great Post Tim!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Mendy. Not the problem

BA and a porous o line is the problem. Empty sets with 15 yd routes kill us , especially with a hobbled QB.
Need speed and power on the defensive middle- nt and ilb
Give 2 ol in the draft
And sign a few ol- free agents. Shocked that we did not sign Shaun Ohara this year.
Cut-
Smith
Hoke
Mc fad den
Farrior
Chris k let me play
Scott
Essex
Suisham

Impose your will.

by ALDOG on Jan 15, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

If Steelers did trade him...

I would hope we would get better value that what we got for Holmes. I was very, very dissapointed with that and while I am no expert or insider as to what the option were, I sure felt like we could have held out and got something better for Holmes.

Any idea what kind of money the team would save with a trade? I think that is also something to consider in the analysis.

Mendenhall’s 9.11 comments were an unnecessary distraction and his open style of carrying the ball gives me heart palpitations, but he has been effective at times. If we can save money for cap room and get a reasonably decent draft number for him, it is something to think about. But what is decent? It is easier to do the calculus when we are talking a 1st rounder or a 2nd plus 6th, but what about a 3rd and a 5th? Or, what if the most interest is a 4th and a 5th?

Anyway, the article is an interesting scenario to consider.

by SCCE on Jan 15, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

Holmes was a fire sale. As mentioned above, he was facing a 4 game suspension for drugs (again) and his contract was in its’ final year. SB MVP or not, your stock tends to plummet like an innertube on ice when you’re a clown.

Personally, I like Mendy and toward the mid-season, he began running like the Mendy we built our running game around. Should he be traded though, it won’t be like losing Franco Harris.

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 15, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

What this team needs more than anything is a road grader....

…someone to run behind.

If they can run on third and two, Mendy and Redman will be an awesome duo. And Ben won’t take as many hits.

Controlling the LOS and opening holes for the RB’s are the two best ways of protecting Roethlisberger and re-establishing ball control. And that will keep the defense fresh for the fourth quarter.

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by Homer J. on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 AM EST reply actions  

indeed

plus forcing teams to bring their safeties up to stop the run has been known to open up the secondary, or so I hear.

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by stillergorillar on Jan 16, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce common sense...

Well said Homer J…

Going into the draft my goal was to have our first 4 picks weigh more than 1100 lbs. A dominant and imposing offensive line will allow any RB (even clay/dwyer) to run for 1000 yds and will allow a “one trick pony” like Mike Wallace to be considered for the HOF. We could have second coming of Jerry Rice and Randy Moss and they would be ineffective if Ben continues to run for his life. No other group will benefit the rest of the team like a badass offensive line. Can you imagine what our defense would do if they had to play 8 or 10 less downs per game? What about Heath and WSaunders? if they could run 30% more routes per game what would their production do?

If you watched the Giants yesterday Eli Manning (inferior to BB) had time to revise his shopping list before selecting an open receiver. If we don’t invest in some studs up front Ben’s career will be further shortened.

I think we have the beginnings of a nice young core with Pouncey if he can get/stay healthy and Gilbert. I would not be opposed to trading up for a cornerstone tackle (improbable) in the 1st round and follow with another 2nd or 3d at guard. I don’t think there is much in the way of elite talent available in free agency, but wouldn’t Grubbs be valuable as an addition AND subtraction from the purple?

NB: I’m sad to be looking at WalterFootball.com in mid-Janyuary.

by lloyd95 on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

AMEN Homer J

We need the kind of line that can open holes and protect the QB. there is nothing wrong with our backs that a good line couldn’t cure. We have 2 backs (Mendy and Redman) who are capable of 1000+ yards rushing. Give Ben the time that Brady, Brees and Rodgers had to pass and I guarantee you that he could put up the same numbers. Message to the Management: GET US SOME (GOOD) DAMN OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!!!!!

by Allen F on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think some of you guys are delusional

No team is trading anything but a used, stained matress for Mendenhall. The guy just suffered an ACL injury in week 17. Next season is 9 months away, right about the time Mendenhall will be testing his knee out under game conditions. Why would another team want to risk signing him, especially with one year remaining on his current contract?

You have no idea how long his recovery will take nor if he will recover fully. A huge part of the revovery is the athlete’s mental and emotional state toward rehab and the risk of re-injury. Mendenhall has never struck me as a real mentally tough guy. That may be unfair and probably is but I know I wouldn’t be willing to give anything of value for a RB coming off ACL surgery, especially a RB who hasn’t shown consistency from down to down or game to game. He has good speed and decent pass receiving skills at best. He isn’t a good blocker, is pulled often on 3rd down and can’t be put into the slot and be a real threat. Not worth the risk if you ask me.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 17, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  


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