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Coaching Validation... 4 plays from scrimmage

Nation- I don’t care about the Patriots, The Packers, or the Saints. I do care about how we measure up to these new age franchises because the chances are greatwe will have the play them to build our Lombardi collection over the next few years… Throw in the Niners too. Last night it took me all of about four plays from scrimmage in the Teebone Pats game to really validate my suspicions. I saw a talent TE in A. Hernadez line up in the backfield and make better runs from the RB spot than we did all year. Not because he is a better RB than our stable but because the Pats saw they could exploit a run defense and they watched film. Their players are students of the game, our beloved Steelers are not students of the game… Hold that thought be right back on this point. I saw a sub par outside linebacker create so much havoc on the Bronco offense. It is not like this LB is better than the defensive player of the year and NFL poster boy of hatred, it is not like he is better than a hamstring hobbled monster in #56. Nope, it is because this OLB is well-coached and reamined disciplind, again hold this thought. I saw a team stuff the ball down the throats of a Bronco defense and thus bringing Teebone to his knees with six minute remaining in the first quarter. I know a team from the burgh who did the same knocking about a week ago but was not polished enough to deliver the goods. I saw a QB who is a student of the game, who is well-studied and is pretty good absolutely perform surgery… why? Because he is a student of the game and is well-coached. watvhed the NFL films documentary on Belichik and check out how him and Tommy boy view film. Nation, we have better talent than most of the teams mentioned (I love what the Pats have done with their TE’s) last nights game and the four plays I saw summed up to me we have a second tier coaching staff. We make the same mistakes, we have the same scripts and oh yeah, who the hell ever heard of the Pats OC. This speaks to the blog about not really needing great experience to do the OC job. We talk about the new Steeler way and wanting to throw the ball to Ohio on every play but we don’t bolster our offensive line. We talk about Ben being Ben but we never roll him out. We talk about getting our speed guys into space and go the route of the bubble screen but never screen using some of our RB’s. We constantly talk about intensity but we seem to always come out flat in the first half of most games so we can do the cardiac kid routine in the second half. Our leader in every press conferences uses the phrase "We acknowledge" ok Mike, Acknowledge your staff needs imrovement. Pat 45-Broncos 10 because their squad is better coached, better schemed and are student of the game. This is especially important these days as our grit brand of football has been banished by the NFL shield. Come on Mike, look at it Bro

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I was watching the game last evening...

WITH MY HUBBY and he said something that describes the whole 2011 steeler season in a nutshell..When the Pats have the ball in the red zone…TD, when we have the ball there, FG…that about sums it up!

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" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

PURE HONESTY

TOTALLY AGREE, we had a quite bad team in reality, this team would have gone 6-10 or 7-9 at best had this team played the 2008 schedule!!!

This is no longer an elite team, we need major upgrades in many areas (including Coaching staff) to be competitive going forward, Looking at the 2012 schedule I could see a losing season as likely.

It is a SHAME as Ben may only have a few more precious years left. Had he the talent (AND COACHING) of New England I could see a couple more SB runs for him; but not as it stans now. I only hope it is not another 25 years (as it was from 1980-2005), with many mediocre QBs and teams, till Pitt gets #7!!!!

by stefan on Jan 15, 2012 8:35 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The bottom line is that the Steelers will finally get a decent amount of rest.

Losing a Superbowl sucks ass and wastes tons of time. Now our players can get a real rest and with a normal offseason I expect the D to look more like 2010 and less like early 2011. Who knows, maybe we can even get one more year out of Aaron Smith. Harrison and Woodley should be back at 100% and that will be huge for the pressure and turnovers.

Or maybe the Steelers really are on the decline, but I doubt that.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."

by showtime on Jan 15, 2012 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Rest?

They had plenty of rest over the off season….it was substantially extended due to the lockout and CBA discussions, plus….because of CBA agreements, now during the season, full pad practices are only once a week.
Aaron Smith is done.
Harrison’s bad back is chronic, I love the guy but I doubt his 100% will ever be as good as it once was.

by TampaRobert on Jan 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh ok. Thanks for coming in and straightening me out.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."

by showtime on Jan 16, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Not saying there isn't room for improvement, but...

…how is it that the despite the magnitude of disparity between coaching as you describe it, we won it all in 2008, almost won it all in 2010, and were in the playoffs again in 2011? Was it all luck?

There may indeed be a large degree of “well it worked before, maybe it will work again” in the coaching philosophy, but I wouldn’t paint it in such dire terms. When things work well, there is a hesitancy to tinker; now that we’ve obviously reached a transition point with a large number of veterans, let’s give HC Tomlin a chance to show what he can do when its obvious changes need to be made, before we start condemning him to the hells of mediocrity (a/k/a Cleveland).

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To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Jan 15, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Agree.....with half

I had no problem with the defense this year, number 1 against the pass, number 1 pts against, in a passing league to have not allowed a 300 yard passer or 100 yard receiver until their final game is remarkable to me and any changes would be a big mistake philosophy wise. You can always upgrade the talent but wouldn’t change the way they play. Where I disagree is on offense, while you used the word luck, I would use spite as in the offense performs in spite of the playcalling and coaching. Arians is terrible, I could write a book on what is all wrong with him but it comes down to one thing points. I could care less if we ran the same play over and over again if we scored points but 22nd in the league with the talent level we have is ridiculous. No imagination, the same 10 plays called over again, predictability, never do anything to keep defenses guesing or off-balance. Every time they line up you know what play is coming and it still wouldn’t matter if they actually scored, but they have had that problem on offense the whole time under Arians. If our D was out of the top 10 or god forbid top 20 in pts, we would be rioting in the streets and with offenses setting scoring and passing records, to be 22nd is embarrassing.

by SteelCity G on Jan 15, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

#1 against the pass is misleading

I wouldn’t hang my hat on our #1 Pass defense, it’s a misleading stat considering the bulk of non-quality QB / passing teams we faced in 2011 (most of the QBs we beat struggle to crack an 80 QB rating)

We beat:

Tavaris Jackson (QB rating 79.2)

Kerry Collins (washed up)

Matt Hasselbeck (QB rating 82.4)

Blain Gabbert (worst passer rating in the NFL)

Kevin Kolb (272yds 2 tds 1 int)

Tom Brady (198yds 2 TDS)

Andy Dalton x2 (rookie QB rating 80.4)

Tyler Palko (Arena league caliber QB)

Colt McCoy (QB rating 74.6)

Kellen Clemens (who?)

Seneca Wallace (Yep)

by TampaRobert on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

you can only play who's on your schedule

I agree, that is a pretty lame list of qb’s besides Brady, but the D did what they were supposed to do and with huge list of injuries added, the D is the last place I would mess with things. Can they improve sure, but it still would be improving statistically the best D in the league. The offense is horrendous and puts added amount of stress on the D by not moving the chains and by not scoring. I think the D would play for more turnovers and scheme a little different if they didn’t think they had to shutout everyone just to have a shot to win.

by SteelCity G on Jan 15, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Not enough sacks or turnovers or game changing plays. Hell we didn’t even come up with many key stops in critical situations

by scottd7 on Jan 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Blitzburgh of 2008, now that was a defense

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 21, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

great point

Healty or not, if they continue to struggle next year NOT getting to the QB (Sacks, pressure), and turnovers, its going to be a long year.

by lamberts58 on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Situational Offense football and Great defense

in 2008 we had one of the best defenses ever to suit up. If you recall our defesne had to save our tails on severla occassions in 2008 and Ben had to pull miracles out of his tail. Last year we also played stellar defense and we lost the SB because we turned the ball over 4 times and decide to rol our kicker out for a long FG. These past few years our coaching staff has no clue to situational football. I diasgree big time.

by TampaLen on Jan 15, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

offense

Yes my pt exactly, maybe I was too hard on the D scheme though look what Teblow did to it; but the Offense!!! How can this O rank near the league bottom in scoring with these names: Ben, Heath, Mendy, AB, Ward, Wallace, Redman??? Come the H—- on!!!! There is obviously something wrong here that needs rectified; perhaps the O Line is half of that, so FIX the damn thing!!! I think the scheme and BA are the other half. IF THEY HAD A BETTER LINE AND SCHEME/PLAY CALLING THEY WOULD BE TOP 5 IN SCORING AND THE D WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN IT MAY BE JUST LIKE NE, GB!!!

by stefan on Jan 15, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

NE

HOW MUCH LONGER must we endure the NE/Brady juggernaut?? It may go away a while but ALWAYS seems to come back, I would think they well get another SB this year, will they ever go away???
My point, look how good they are esp offensively year in/out, all different players and such since 10 years ago, but look how they score?? Imagine if Brady had Mendy, AB, Wallace too?? Why cannot we be like that??

by stefan on Jan 15, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

OK I'll imagine it for you

Mendy scored 9 TDs this season
Brady has BenJarvus Green-Ellis and he scored 11 TDs

AB and Wallace combined scored 10 TDs
Brady has Welker and Rob Gronkowski they scored 26 TDs combined!

So I “imagine” if Brady had Mendy, AB and Wallace they wouldn’t be as good at scoring POINTS because while each of those Steeler players have value, none are consistent REDZONE threats.

by TampaRobert on Jan 15, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Coaching

Been saying all year we are not well coached. Offense is weak. Clock mgt terrible. How many times do we come out of a time out or other
Clock stoppage and get a delay of game? Too often
I watched Brady with a minute left in half complete a 20 yard pass. They got down and ran a play in 15 seconds. Think we can do that?
I don’t think Tomlin is a good coach. He is a good leader but don’t see him as agood coach
Don’t tell me “he won a super bowl”. Barry Switzer won a super bowl

by scottd7 on Jan 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

disagree

1. It is easier to rush the passer when the opposition is using a silent count.

2. Just like Seatle playing at home last year. The better team lost to a home defense and an athlete going beast mode(lynch, demarius)

3.came back to tie it in the fourth.

4.steelers beat the pats this year

5. Steelers. Didn’t have an oline.

6. HEALTH

by Unleashed on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Read an article this year that said that Brady didnt beat anyone in 2011 with a winning record. One team finished up at 8-8.

Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII

by SteeladyinVA on Jan 16, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Let me put and end to this now

Nation-

Mike T, Bruce and Ben (other than two drives, SB 43 and the drive to win the division at Baltimore in 2009 have no case if Dick L’s defense is not so dominant. They have ben the X factor in covering up for this lame offensive approach. Concerend we have so much talent now but will not capitalize because of the splash play throw to Ohio approach.

by TampaLen on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions  


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