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Smart Move: Trade Wallace?


Tim Mullhaupt recently posted his thoughts on trading Rashard Mendenhall. Of course, with Mendy's injury, the value we would receive would be minimal and not worthwhile. However, there is one person who, if we seek a trade now while his name is a hot commodity in the league, should bring much greater compensation--Make Wallace. Now I realize many here at BTSC love the guy, and he is, in fact, one of the best deep threats in the league. Of course, this is one of the reasons we should pull the trade now. Following are some of my other reasons why we should seek to trade Wallace rather than Mendenhall.

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1. It's a business, and all businesses realize that tough decisions need to be made in the present in order to prepare for the future. Pittsburgh has many needs and could use some extra draft picks, especially high picks, in order to truly meet these needs and keep the team in the hunt for more Super Bowl trophies in the near future. Trading Mendenhall now won't bring enough value to help meet these needs, but trading Wallace would. We could potentially get a first and third rounder for Wallace, and this would give us 2 first and 2 third round picks this year. We could either use the two first round picks on the offensive line, picking up a guard and a tackle, thus solidifying the line for years to come, keeping in mind we already have Pouncey and Gilbert, and use the 2 thirds to help with the defense (a safety, nose tackle, etc.), or split the first round picks between offense and defense.

2. We have two young, more athletically gifted receivers to replace Wallace. Both Brown and Sanders have good to great speed, and both have better hands and make better adjustments to balls in the air. If we re-sign Cotchery, who would be much cheaper than Wallace, and bring Hines back at a much lower salary, and work the tight ends (Saunders and Heath) more into the passing attack (ala the New England Patriots), I don't believe our passing attack would suffer and we could actually build a better offensive line.

3. While Wallace is a good deep threat, the last half of the season has shown he can be completely rendered a non-factor. He lacks physicality to be a great run-after-the-catch receiver, has difficulty adjusting to poorly thrown balls, doesn't run great routes, and has so-so hands for anything other than the deep, over-the-shoulder-catch. He adds nothing in the return game either. Do we really need a receiver who, despite some minimal improvement this year, is still only a one-trick pony?

4. Trade him while he's hot. Antonio Brown is quickly ascending to the top of Pittsburgh's receivers, and I'm wondering if soon, some teams will second guess Wallace's abilities. After all, Brown appears to make the more difficult grabs, works better over the middle, and makes better adjustments to back-shoulder throws. When teams begin to realize that Wallace lacks these talents, his trade value will plummet. Get what we can, while we can.

5. Of course, this is also hoping that Sanders's injuries are behind him. Sanders is the best route runner of the three, and has just as much speed as Brown (in fact, he had the better time at the combine). He also supposedly has the best hands of the three. It's unfortunate that we haven't been able to see him enough due to his injuries, but I think he's shown enough that we can feel comfortable trading Wallace and set Brown and Sanders as our starters. Yes, they're both on the small side, but Wallace isn't big either, and we can use the extra third receiver on a big receiver if need be. After all, Sanders and Wallace were both third round picks, and Brown was a sixth rounder.

Of course, this is probably an unpopular idea, and I, too, have reservations about it. After all, Wallace's deep speed can open doors for all the other receivers, as well as the tight ends. And I also like Wallace--hes seems like a nice, humble guy who works exceptionally hard. But I also recognize we could use the extra high draft picks to solidify our offensive line, defensive line, and other areas of concern. And this is important if we wish to continue being a force in the coming years. Trading Mendy won't bring us these high picks; trading Wallace might. Besides, we'll have to offer Wallace a contract soon, and I'm afraid we might end up overpaying someone who has yet to establish himself as anything other than a deep threat.

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by Mini Hulk on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

how about wallace for mike pouncey?

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Need more

I’d want Pouncey plus a draft pick, probably a second rounder. I’d never trade an explosive wide receiver for only an offensive lineman.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i would agree...but

We need 2 guards and we have other receivers. pLus, wallace is going to demand 10mil per year, which we will NOT pay..We need the O-line much more than receiver..

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

I’m just saying they would need to give us more than Pouncey. I would rather trade him for a first and a second or third rounder. This way, we can pick up the offensive lineman in the draft and get more for our money.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

motown? City or one of the surrounding areas?

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

Neither, it’s the music.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you dont get that luxury when you dont have him locked up. wallace could leave after 1 year

by klompus on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you nyc

I’d sign off on that trade in a heartbeat.

by Weirtonite on Jan 15, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the best WRs in the league

For an average G. Why?

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

average guard?

I dont think average is what pouncey is..BTW, we will NOT pay wallace 10ml per year..so lets get something we need for him!

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to pay Wallace that much, but I’d rather get a 1st and 3rd with him than Mike Pouncey who had an average season with Miami this year.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

u will not get a first and a third for him!

The raiders don’t have a first this year! All kidding aside, what team would be insane enough to do that?

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" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows. Put the tender on him and at worst you are paying him 3 million for next year.

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Mike Pouncey wasn't a particularly great CENTER

that’s what his bro is for. hed be a guard on the steelers, where he could excel like he did the first 3 years of his collegiate career, next to maurkice

by steeltown86 on Jan 16, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

His blocking was really inconsistent this year. I really doubt shifting him over one spot makes him great.

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t believe any of the twin mumbo jumbo until I met a set. They seriously have some sort of strange powers. That’s the one reason I’d like to get Mike Pouncey in here, but I’m not sure what I’d give up for it.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

When your with someone for all your life you know how they think,and what they are planning to do. Me and my twin played on the O-line in high school (G and C) didn’t need to say much we knew what the other was planning on doing when we saw the defensive alignment.

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by Steel34D on Jan 17, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was either Tanno, SteelSpike, or our local Zealander who flipped out about the whole twin “powers” thing.

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

haha, SteelSpike hasn’t been around in ages unless he changed his name. He was definitely into wondertwin powers activate tho

by klompus on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I forget who it was, but it legit pissed them off. It might have been someone who was a draft coverage guy.

Spike had two kids and his wife had some health issues. I haven’t seen him since.

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If you want to trade him too the Broncos

we would be happy to take him off your hands!

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by hcubed on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

If Wallace has such negative attributes as you list (emphasis added)...
While Wallace is a good deep threat, the last half of the season has shown he can be completely rendered a non-factor. He lacks physicality to be a great run-after-the-catch receiver, has difficulty adjusting to poorly thrown balls, doesn’t run great routes, and has so-so hands for anything other than the deep, over-the-shoulder-catch. He adds nothing in the return game either. Do we really need a receiver who, despite some minimal improvement this year, is still only a one-trick pony?

how can you possibly justify stating that:

We could potentially get a first and third rounder for Wallace,
. Don’t you think that if you, a fan, are correct in your assessment of Wallace, that professional coaches and general managers are going to see the same thing, and if so, why would they over-pay so much.

Either your assessment of Wallace is flawed, or the value we could get for him is flawed; your argument does not stand up with both statements being correct.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 15, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

exactly

Wallace had a poor second half because we just kept throwing deep balls to him and defense began to plan for that. I think it is more a offensive scheme thing (BA I am looking at you).

by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 15, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Raiders: No 1st round picks to trade

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 15, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't mean that.

I meant teams do foolish things all the time, like the Raiders for example.

by TorchM on Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points, but

NFL General Managers seem to not follow logic on a consistent basis. There have been many head-scratching trades, the latest example being the Raiders trade for Carson Palmer. The Randy Moss trades last year exemplify this as well. The fact is, teams are willing to take risks, and Wallace has proven himself enough as a deep threat to garner attention, despite his flaws, and he does have flaws. These flaws are apparent simply by looking at film. Pick out a time where he made a difficult catch in traffic, adjusting or contorting his body with defends on him. Or a time when he made a difficult leaping grab over a defender. I can’t think of one. Still, there are quite a few teams who would love to have a deep threat like Wallace to compliment their other receivers. My point is that there are teams who would willing to take a risk on someone like Wallace developing into a number one receiver. I am certain there are some teams who wouldn’t give as much for him, but there are others who would jump at the chance. I am also keeping in mind his contract is up soon, and we need to consider whether it will be worth paying him what he will demand, jeopardizing keeping both Brown and Sanders in the future, or trade him now while his value is still high. He does have upside, and he did improve some this year, and teams will also look at this. As I stated, I like Wallace, and would love to have him remain a part of the team; I’m simply looking at this from a business standpoint, realizing we have numerous needs on the offensive line and in the defensive backfield, and understanding that Wallace brings us the most value while acknowledging that his contract is up soon and there is a decision to be made. We also have the receivers to step up in his place, receivers that have tremendous upside. So, while I would hate to lose him, if a trade would get us players at positions of need and solidify our team for the next five years, I would make the deal.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

true that,

do we remember the Herhsel Walker deal. This isnt a bad idea, but just a little worried with Sanders consistant injuries. There has been plenty of receivers that are mid to later round picks that we and other teams developed into great receivers. But, if you dont have a line to protect the QB, who throws to those receivers, it doesnt matter if he is a first round or last round pick.

by lamberts58 on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Pats

need a deep threat and have plenty of picks to trade with

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by stillergorillar on Jan 16, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Never trade with the devil

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

wasn't suggesting

the Steelers should trade with them, just throwing out a team that had the picks to burn and a need to fill.

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by stillergorillar on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

wallace

Interseting thought potentially, not sure if Wallace has hit his ceiling yet, but maybe; if so, maybe trade him for a 1 and 2 or 3. (preferably to someone not in AFC North)

by stefan on Jan 15, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't deal him

My premise with Mendenhall was that the running game has become secondary to the passing game, which is why I think it’s all the more crucial we retain the trio of Wallace, Brown, and Sanders. I know that’s gonna be a lot easier said than done, but if it’s possible than I think it’s imperative they get it done. The only way you trade Wallace is if you know for sure you can’t retain Wallace for the long term.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jan 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yet,

For the passing game to succeed, we need a line to pass protect. Trading Wallace would give us an additional first rounder, so we could use two picks on offensive linemen (a tackle first, guard second). Mendenhall won’t get us this, not with his injury, and we have the receivers to step in for Wallace. We could use the additional third we pick up in the trade (provided it would play out that way) on a big receiver. I don’t want to trade him either; I just feel he would bring much more value than Mendenhall, and with his contract up soon, I have to question whether or not we’ll be able to keep him.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

At the very least

I think you can expect the Steelers to franchise him. I know that giving him the tag is probably the most expensive option, but then after tagging him before the draft, you start talking extension following it, and then hopefully come to some kind of 6-year agreement which ultimately results in a lower cap hit, as the money is spread out over those 6 years.

A possible outcome is that they give him a the tag, but then during the following negotiation, he sets his price for an extension way too high (not unlikely for a guy nicknamed “Young/Fast Money”) and/or threatens to hold out if not rewarded with that contract. In this case I think the Steelers would shop him, but the problem here is that any team who’d trade for him would have to be willing to give him a new contract.

There’s also the tendering process, where you assign pick values to rfa’s I think, which I believe Wallace is. I’m not sure how that process works entirely though.

I hope this will not be the case, but I’m tempering my expectations. The Steelers are never a team that allows itself to be held hostage by a single player. I’d support moving on from Wallace if his demands were outrageous, and then take the money saved and put it towards extending guys like Brown, Sanders, and Pouncey (still 2 years away from crossing that bridge thankfully).

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jan 15, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

You’d like to think he is more than just a deep threat, but it’s apparent that that is what he is. Not the type of guy you want to throw to when the game is on the line (2009 green bay was apparently a mirage). Not to mention, Ben looks awful throwing the deep ball anymore. I wish Pittsburgh would stop pretending Ben is Drew Brees and start building the offense around our two solid running backs.

by mike14101 on Jan 15, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Too bad the line isn’t good enough to consistently run block

by GDEUCE on Jan 15, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

what do u mean"stop" pretending?????

BB is as good IF NOT better than brees!! look where he plays..( domes games per year and that will inflate his numbers dramatically! You want to stop pretending? Lets get a real O-line instead of a bunch of sandbags to protect BB. Lets put the golden boy Brees( who is a class act) on this team with this O-line in front of him and BB on the saints with their O-line in the dome and lets see!! Brees would not even finish the year!

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

BB is as good IF NOT better than brees!!

Uhh…Brees is a more accurate QB

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by Mini Hulk on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

put him on OUR O-line and see!!

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You can throw that argument in all you want

Brees is still better then Big Ben

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by Mini Hulk on Jan 16, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You went there?

He threw 14 same as Big Ben, BUT he threw the ball 144 more times than Ben for an additional 1,399 yards. That was not a good comparison… Ben is an elite QB, but he has different strengths than Brees. For instance – Brees is much easier to tackle than Ben. Long ball? Let’s not go there, Ben is very inaccurate with his long ball.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

he wasn’t before the thumb thing. He was throwing it perfect in the first quarter or so of the season.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, better maybe, but he has never been very accurate with the longball.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

BB is as good IF NOT better than brees

I would love to hear your explain that one.

How many times has BB thrown for 5,000 yards or 30 TDs? Yeah…Brees is better.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He PLAYS IN A DOME WITH A Very good O-line

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter that he plays in a damn dome. Take a look at Ben’s numbers early in the season for his career. He isn’t throwing 4 and 5 TDs a game with 400 yards.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Here

In the first 4 weeks of the season in his career Ben has 1 game with 3+ TDs, 7 games with 2+ TDs, and 3 games with 300+ yards. Brees has 9 games with 3+ TDs, 16 games with 2+ TDs, and 11 games with 300+ yards.

Ben has played 26 games in that range and Brees 40. So the averages would be:

3+ TDs
BB: 3.85%
Brees: 22.5%

2+ TDs
BB: 26.9%
Brees: 40%

300+ Yards
BB: 11.5%
Brees: 27.5%

Weather hasn’t got shit to do with it.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

So what?

Unlike Ben, Brees throws the ball away when he’s in trouble.
Did you ever think that Ben’s constant scrambling is another risk for the line? If they blocked better, Ben wouldn’t have to run. OK, sure.
There have been times where the line was fine and he’d STILL run.

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by Mini Hulk on Jan 16, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

do u think your man brees could do the following:

1. Play with a broken nose, in the same game
2. play with a broken foot
3. play with a broken thumb
4. play and win the cleveland game after that ugly sprain
5. make throws with 300lb linemen hanging on him
6. make that pin point throw to holmes to WIN the superbowl?

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"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

1) yes, it’s a broken nose, five minutes after it happens, it has no effect on anything you do on the field.
2 through whatever. What does that have to do anything? We don’t know, because it hasn’t happened. Why not ask if Ben would be a quarterback if he only had to play against 5 defenders.

You said Ben is as good or better. Now it seems your point is that Ben is tougher. Well, he is. He’s tougher than any quarterback in the league, that doesn’t make him better

4) I wouldn’t say he won that game against Cleveland, since they already had seven before the injury, and Cleveland only scored 3

5) Not an indicator of who’s better. Brees probably would have already gotten rid of the ball. If not, he’ll take a sack, pick it up the next play

6) No, Brees can’t do that. It’s partially because he’s unlikely to ever play with Holmes, but also the fact that there have been like three last minute touchdown drives in a Super Bowl. On top of that, as great as that play was, you can’t say it wasn’t also an extremely lucky one.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

1. except… breathing!?!?

by klompus on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

When you get a broken nose, and someone resets it (like they did) it’s not a problem anymore. Unless I’m missing something? That’s how it worked for me

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by FrankWyt on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

tougher...yes..

it won that game too with the broken nose! that touchdown catch was thrown between 3 defenders!!

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'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Jan 17, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, thrown between three defenders further prove my point that a lot of luck was involved. That is fine, it’s ok to be a little lucky here and there

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by FrankWyt on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

HE PLAYS IN A DOME!!

No wind, no snow, no rain! Sure, he numbers will be higher! like I said earlier, lets trade stadiums and o-line and we will see. Betcha brees don’t finish the year! BB takes a lot of punishment and is always on the run..

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

that dome thing is kind of a media fabrication. He has performed very well pretty much everywhere he goes. I love Ben, Brees is better.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But how would he perform behind our line? As small as he is, I doubt he would ever finish a season behind our guys.

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by Riddlah. on Jan 15, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 15, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that may be true, but he also gets rid of the ball very quickly, which is something I wish Ben could learn to do sometimes. If Brees had a horrible O line, I think he would just adjust his game accordingly. He’s a very smart player

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Look at the San Francisco game. His OLine was getting demolished and he still got the ball out really quickly and was only sacked 3 times in almost 70 dropbacks.

With the way San Fran played, Ben wouldve been sacked 10 times. He needs help. Trade Mendy, trade Wallace, I want some damn offensive lineman for a change

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 15, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, while I agree about getting some help, I’m not sure I’d go that far. On top of that, I don’t think Mendy has enough trade value to turn the pick into immediate help.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Mendy never got a 100yd rushing game against ANT afcN opponent!

not even VS cleveland! This goes to show you he is NOT an AFCN RB

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No, that doesn’t really mean anything other than 1) game plan doesn’t favor running or 2) line can’t open holes

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Fish in a barrel?

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 16, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

?

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy as shooting...

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

for sho

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by FrankWyt on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

against the browns?????

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, you mean that game that he left in the first quarter? Yeah, what’s his problem

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

that wasn't the only time he played the browns!

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

in case you were talking about other Browns games, I still don’t see a connection. You don’t just plug stats into a generator to get an outcome of the game. Cleveland will always play their best game of the year against us. They envy us, they want to take us down so bad every year.
Before this season, Ray Rice only had two 100 yard games against AFCN. Is he not an AFCN running back either? Or is two the magic number?

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

not true!

RR hit us in 2009 and this year…he hit the bengals this year and cleveland hard too..don’t compare backs!

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't compare backs?

I think it’s pretty reasonable to compare Mendenhall to other AFCN backs, since your claim is that he’s not an “AFCN back”

You do realize Rice caries the ball A LOT more than Mendenhall, right? (150 more)
Their per carry isn’t that different. There are a lot of circumstances that lead to the disparity, but I can assure you the reason isn’t “he’s not an AFCN back”, whatever that means.
I don’t know why you feel so strongly that 100 yards is some sort of magic number, but it’s really not.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good luck on this one Frank

there tends to be maniacal ranting coming out of that neck of the woods.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 17, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

so u think mendy is better than RR??

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 17, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Ray Rice is utilized properly (at least 60-70% of the times) and is a greater focus of his team’s offense. I don’t believe he can do anything that Mendenhall can’t do.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

line can’t open holes

This

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by Mini Hulk on Jan 16, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh by the way, I’ve been meaning to ask you to unban Ravensfan. I really don’t think he was trying to start stuff with me. We’ve had conversations after his original ban, he apologized and said he was being an ass etc.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Done.

And by the way, my last comment sounds pretty bad. I dont want to trade both Wallace and Mendy. I would rather move on from Mendy to be honest, but in saying that I dont think Redman is the guy either, and youre right about Mendys value, I think we’d be lucky to get a 5th from him.

Wallace meanwhile could generate a 3rd or possibly a 2nd. I would trade him if a team offered up a good pick.

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 16, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

lets not forget Bens broken thumb

Ben did seem to struggle with the long pass this year also. There is no doubt playing with a broken thumb had a lot to do with this. Another comparison, the patriots and the amount of time Brady has. If Ben had the time Brady had his stats would also be off the charts. Bottom line is; if you have 2-3 seconds to throw the ball because lack of O line, your probably going to have a long day. If you have 5-6 seconds because of a good O line, your probably going to have a good day.

by lamberts58 on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

BB takes a lot of punishment and is always on the run..

See above. Dome’s help, but Brees can put up numbers where ever.

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by Mini Hulk on Jan 16, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather keep Wallace

I don’t think we know his full potential yet. Having said that, if we could get a top 15 1st round and 3rd round pick for him I would have to look very hard at that trade. This team still needs a couple of pieces and WR is where we are deepest atm.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

That’s my point. I would rather keep him as well, but if someone offers a top 15 as well as a second or third, I’m thinking really hard about making the trade. We could solidify our line with two first rounders and strengthen our defense with latter picks. And you are correct—WR is our deepest position.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Wallace gets a First round Tender

and very good possibility of a new team. I think we make a solid offer but someone will make a bigger one. With that said I would rather trade Wallace and get a 1st round pick this year than getting one via the tender offer in 2013.

Like most, I hope the home town discount will go our way with him. I do agree he needs to work on some things but pulling a double team on almost every play has it’s advantages.
to quote Mr Miyagi " if done right no can defense". That is a different subject that only MT, BB and BA can answer.

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 15, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

He’s pretty much given the Steelers the discount himself with the way he played over the last half of the year. (for the most part)

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweed

I would bring Sweed back and let him fight for a job. Can’t hurt. He has no negative character issues.

by motownsteeler on Jan 15, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Would be cheap and competition is always good

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 15, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if no other team thought highly enough of him to give him a workout, I’m sure there’s some sort of problem

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if no other team thought highly enough of him to give him a workout, I’m sure there’s some sort of problem

Yeah they were his hands and his head

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by Steel34D on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

why waste a spot with him again?

He had enough years to show us he isnt an NFL receiver, bring in someone else who may ACTUALLY be able to catch a football.

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by Paulie58 on Jan 16, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right,that is to the FO's advantage

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 15, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely is. Unless of course, he keeps “feeling himself” as much

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by FrankWyt on Jan 15, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Let it go

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummmm

No – wouldn’t consider it unless he is trouble in the locker room. The offense is closer to being dominant for several years than the defense is (given the age of the playmakers). Similar to several other teams I think the Steelers are headed for a really good offense and an average defense that has a few playmakers that can be the difference in a game.

by slaken on Jan 15, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Almost forgot

Why give up a young player who is a known commodity in hopes that you find a slightly younger player (2 or 3 years younger) that is a complete unknown commodity?

by slaken on Jan 15, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Wallace

but if someone is willing to give us too much for him (ie an 1st and a early 3rd) then it would be difficult to turn that down in light of the tight salary cap and the beat up o-line. The only reason I would consider this is our apparent depth at WR and our problems on O-line and potential front 7 issues on defence (not enough solid depth on D-line).

I also like Mendy and I don’t think we could get enough for him in a trade to make it worth while trading him so I say we keep him and give him a chance to get healthy and compete.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

If they’re williing to give up too much (i.e., the herschel walker trade), I’d take it in a heart beat. If you’re talking a 1 and a 3 – I’m not so sure. If you are talking 1 & 2 or two 1’s, I’d take it.

by slaken on Jan 16, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

top 15 1st and top 15 3rd

Would not be a bad place to start. I like the idea of getting a top 15 pick since they are rare for this organization. I don’t think we would get that but it is a good minimum.

As I stated previously, I would prefer to keep MW. I think he is still learning and still has more upside before we see his full potential.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 16, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We always say we are close to dominant

But how so? We’re awful in the RZ and we don’t score a ton of TDs.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya but...

If you look at yards, we were 12th in the league. Points we were 21st. I think the difference between the yards and points comes down to the offensive line (not that that surprises anyone). A good o-line (and maybe better playcalling), and I think we can convert more redzone trips to TD’s. I don’t think most people see our skill positions as being a problem as we have pretty solid starters at QB, RB (depending on your view), WR and TE. We have solid depth at RB and WR and potentially a good backup at TE (Saunders) but we could still use a blocking TE. So this leaves the O-line as the focus for future draft picks.

Now to the O-line…. I think most of us agree Pouncey isn’t the problem. That leaves the other 4 linemen. I for one happen to believe that Gilbert is going to be above average to good. If I’m right, this means that we are down to having to improve 3 positions and we could probably get away with improving only 2 of them. That is why I think we’re close to dominant.

Our defense – Deebo has a few years left and then we have a huge hole to fill (not sure Worilds will be capable of making the big plays but he doesn’t seem to be a liability either). Keisel is running out of time as is Hamption. Troy is starting to get up there in years as is Ike, Clark and one of our ILB positions (Foote/Farrior). In 4 years our playmakers on defense (that are on the team now) are Timmons and Woodley along with a potentially developing Heyward and a young CB (Allen or Brown). I see this defense needing a few more pieces than our offense if it wants to remain dominant. I am NOT saying that the D won’t still be good the next few years (especially if we add talant here) but I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t as good as it has been for so long.

by slaken on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree somewhat. While our OL is obviously an issue, so is the playcalling in the RZ. It makes me want to rip my hair out when we call screens there or fades to WRs who aren’t jumpers or tall. We rarely use quick slants in there either.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Playcalling

I agree with you about the playcalling and did mention it but if we improve in those areas, I think “dominant” is a possibility. The milliion dollar question is, will we improve in these areas?

by slaken on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is the main reason

why I say bring Plax back. :P

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 16, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather draft someone

Too many years on this team already.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

don't think its worth

a pick really, we have too many other areas to improve on this team via in my opinion, if we sign Wallace we’re looking for someone to be a 4th/5th WR? To me it makes a lot more sense to bring in someone who already knows everything and who can produce. That way we can focus on other areas before bringing in another WR that won’t contribute this year as much as Plax would then we can take a WR in next year’s draft. We’re talking about a 4th round selection at the highest and looking at the pool there aren’t many tall WRs that I think we could use. I dunno maybe I"m just dreaming.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s why I’d take him later. Or just bring back Wes Lyons.

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It's probably not a coincidence that when Wallace's numbers started to slip,

Brown’s skyrocketed. It’s really easy to be a good receiver when the other guy takes a safety and a corner completely away from you every single play. I’m not saying Brown isn’t terrific, because he is, but Wallace makes his life a whole lot easier. Would Sanders garner the same coverage? Probably not. That doesn’t mean Brown won’t still dominate, but I think you are discounting MW. Granted, I’m not paying any WR Larry Fitzgerald money to touch the ball 5 times a game, so if Wallace is wanting that type of money, then sorry bud, there are other positions that are more financially important.

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by Jon Ross on Jan 15, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Ok

But why were Wallace’s #’s so much better BEFORE Brown started to play well? One would think that his production would improve, not deteriorate once someone else started to require the attention of the defense, no?

by pistil_stamen on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

See, I think Wallace started getting more attention, opening it up for Tony B. Not the other way around.

Brown wasn’t on the field early this season, Ward was.

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by Jon Ross on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You may be right, I don’t have any evidence other than stats to back up my claim…but Wallace was not the same guy late in the season that he was early on. Something was up…what that was I’m not sure.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You might be right.

So much of MW’s stats are the one big play. He didn’t hit it late in the year, remember, Ben overthrew him at least 6 times in the second half of the season (SF, Cin, CLE, etc.) so maybe his stats were a function of not hitting the big play like he was early. Perhaps it’s as simple as that.

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by Jon Ross on Jan 16, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I still have to double Wallace, because even Revis isn't able to run with him.

Brown has better hands and better body control, but is an easier cover if that makes sense. It’s a no brainier MW gets the double team/bracket, some teams may think their No. 1 CB can hang with Brown. But no one can run with Mike.

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by Jon Ross on Jan 16, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of defenses we face play cover 2. So when Wallace takes away that safety and Brown is on the other side of the field it doesn’t matter. The only difference is can Brown beat #1 CBs?

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The only difference is can Brown beat #1 CBs?

Yeah it is because of his route running. Over the lock out he posted video of himself working out with Andre John Johnson, Chad Johnson and others on footwork and when he made a mistake you could tell he was pissed. That’s how its got to be for Wallace. He has got to learn to run his routes properly so he can show case that speed. And not settle for just good enough. I hope he puts in some major footwork drill this off season.

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by Steel34D on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

who is this

Chad Johnson you speak of?

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by stillergorillar on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Some bench player for the Pats, I think.

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

football aint baseball

You rarely see even trades in the NFL. Good players leaving town usually do so because someone wants them gone (Randy Moss, Santonio), or they wait till free agency( Drew Brees). If we start shopping a player, it weakens their trade value. Old rule in negotiation, the guy who speaks first weakens his position.Check out the research on behavioral economics on valuing assets you own versus ones you can buy on the open market.

by nerdbird on Jan 15, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

this is a pretty good idea actually

If, we can maintain the health of our current receivers. Plus, in this years draft, of the top 50 receivers, about 32 of them are over 6 foot, and about 20 of those are around the 6’2" to 6"4 range, so we can get back the tall receiver for certain plays, etc. Ie; the dreaded redzone the steelers had this year.

by lamberts58 on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting

I was just talking with my dad about this yesterday.

Wallace has a very unusual gait. He obviously has incredible straight line speed, but he has little to no ability to change direction and make defenders miss once he is in the open field. This not only hinders his ability to run tight and exact routes, but also his ability to improvise along with Roethlisberger once he breaks containment in the pocket.

If he is not in stride, Wallace never, ever catches the ball with his hands. He ALWAYS cradles the ball against his chest…this leads to a number of drops and also gets him drilled if he has a defender bearing down on him.

Lastly, and most concerning to me, was his drop off in production once Antonio Brown came into his own. He displayed a significant lack of focus over the last 1/4 of the season, with at least one drop in each of the final three games. Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but Wallace thought he was top dog (i.e. making the ridiculous proclamation of 2k receiving yards), once Brown emerged it seemed like Wallace went into a shell. Hell, with Brown getting better, one would think that Wallace would only have more opportunities with the focus shifting away from him somewhat.

My verdict: I think his primary asset to the offense is forcing the opposition to respect his big play ability, lulling them to sleep, then hitting on a bomb or two via play action. This isn’t the kind of receiver you pay top dollar for, so if they can gain assets that they need (and his value is likely never going to be higher), I say absolutely pull the trigger. They have Brown, Sanders, Cotchery (hopefully they can resign him), Ward, Miller and Saunders. The offense may miss his home run ability, but I think they will be just fine without him. Hell, they moved on from Holmes pretty well, and he was a MUCH MUCH better player than Mike Wallace will ever be.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

very true

Wallace def. needs work on his route running especially his cuts. I do feel a team needs a deep threat, but, then again, look what the Patriots are doing without one this year. Prediction for them next year. Patriots willl probably get a deep threat or two in the draft to open up their offense even more, along with a really good RB to get their running game back. Not sure what they have this year, but I think they are up there again as usual with picks. I think they had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds last year. Hence, Gradowski and Hernendez

by lamberts58 on Jan 16, 2012 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

Dumb move to trade Wallace

The kid just finished his third year with the team and he had some problems later in the year, but unlike the prevous year when we started to hit him on crosses and quick slants to get the ball into his hands and let him run…we did nothing like that this year, we ended up using him on reverses, not his thing, that’s for Brown. I can’t remember the game in 2010 but he took a quick slant and took it to the house, then DBs have to respect that and play him a little closer to the line and then he is good to go over top, how scary is that now he can catch it and run or run by me…what the hell do I do.

Our coaching this year as a team was very poor execept for Carnell Lake, OC, DC, HC and ST were awaful and unimaginative. What happended to the reverese on kick-offs we ran against Titans in 2010, has anyone seen it since. When you are successful with something you don’t stop doing it. We forever run to our right when teams know it’s coming why not other things that we are successful doing?

by ColinP on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

they

attempted the reverse at the end of the season.

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by stillergorillar on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd NEVER

Trade a proven commodity for a draft pick(s). It’s been proven over and over that draft picks only have a certain percentage of success. Besides, that’d leave us with Brown, an injury prone Sanders and a soon retiring Ward. Need to keep him.

by jharmon64 on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

NOT SMART!

I wouldn’t trade away Wallace at all. Yeah he has some pros & cons. But every team has that straight line speed WR that can go over the Top. Hell we were looking for one for the longest time& now we have the best one in the NFL. And you dont trade Wallace because Sanders is injury proned sometimes, Ward is done. Our WR’s next yr if we trade him & Ward retires. Brown, Sanders, Cotchery if we re-sign him. That’s why you play your man Mike Wallace. And trading PROVEN TALENT for draft pick(s) that aren’t proven at all is a big risk. Jus draft O-Line, ILB, NT, DB, QB, RB.

by jRaGsDaLe717 on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

The problem

Is that Mike Wallace is going to want top dollar…he is a starting WR in the Pro Bowl and is going to want to be paid like one. In my opinion, he isn’t even the best receiver on the team (and might even be #3 once Sanders is healthy). Pittsburgh doesn’t pay players who they feel do not deserve it. His stock has been (and probably will never be) higher than it is now…why not try to see what you can get for him instead of watching him leave in free agency and getting nothing but a compensatory pick for him?

by pistil_stamen on Jan 18, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

What problem?

But you have to pay your best players! You can’t just let him walk when he’s at the Peak of his career. We let Holmes go & we drafted Wallace to replace him. Now were going to let his repacement walk too. Then if we let Wallace walk. Then we got to Draft another WR which continues to go in a big circle. You have to pay your best players. Especially on the Offensive side of the ball. We have plenty of guys we can cut.

by jRaGsDaLe717 on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Wallace

and Holmes played together for a year, so technically the Steelers didn’t draft Wallace to replace Holmes. Additionally, I think that Pittsburgh is not going to pony up the kind of money that it is going to take to sign him as a free agent. They didn’t do it with Yancey Thigpen or Plaxico Burress, they weren’t going to do it for Santonio Holmes, and I really don’t think they are going to do it for Mike Wallace, who, IMO, is not as good as any of the above receivers and will likely demand top dollar in free agency.

One caveat, now that there will be a new offensive coordinator, it will be interesting to see how Wallace is utilized…that could go a long way in altering my perception of his abilities.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad Al Davis is gone.

He’d jump at the chance.

If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.

by SNW on Jan 16, 2012 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

How?

he has no draft picks or players that the Steelers would want

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

forgot they traded away the farm

If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.

by SNW on Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Too incomplete a wide receiver. Right now he’s playing like one and a half nate washingtons.

by klompus on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

No!!!!! do not trade wallace his are best WR brown is good to but wallace is better sanders is good to but wallace is better my point is wallace is are WR and we should not drade him.

by bigSteel84 on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

how is Wallace better? Or better, what can Wallace do that Brown can’t? I can only think of one thing.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 19, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  


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