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Draft/Trades, a Balanced Offense, save Ben!



After watching the playoffs this Sunday, it seems the football Gods are finally back to their senses. The old addage, defense and rushing wins Championships seems alive and well. This video game football fantasy world we live in now saw the two best fantasy teams fall to what should have been lesser teams. In the end, the ability to run and play defense won out over high flying passing attacks with incredibly weak defenses! There are 2 teams left in the playoffs that finished the year in the top 10 in both rushing and total defense, and there are two that did not.


Baltimore is a very well balanced team, and when they use Rice (why they forget about him at times is beyond me) and don't let things rest on Flacco, they have great success! Further, the 49ers play a great brand of def and with Gore and Hunter they can pound the rock. These teams also possess dynamic threats at the TE position, causing mismatches in both the rushing and passing attacks. Neither team have a great receiving corp, and this is where Pittsburgh can separate themselves, as our wrs are outstanding.

Finally, we have got to protect Ben. With a healthy Ben we can win any game, no matter the circumstances. Without him, we are in deep trouble. We need to get back to pounding the rock, we need to upgrade the OL, we need look at the success teams like Baltimore and San Francisco are having, and get away from the video football they are playing in now.

My thoughts on the draft, possible trades and restricted/unrestricted players.

First, I would make a trade with St. Louis to get the 2nd pick. They need a top-flight WR, we have one who is better than any WR in this draft and he is a restricted FA. I would offer St. Louis the following: Mike Wallace, our 1st (24) and 2nd (56) in 2012 and 2nd round choice in 2013 for their picks in the 1st (2), 4th (98) and 6th (162) in 2012 and a 4th in 2013.

I would then turn around and trade with the Dolphins (Ross wants RG3), I would offer them: St. Louis' 1st (2) and Our 6th (184) and Our 4th in 2013 for their picks in the 1st (8 or 9) and Mike Pouncey.

I would try to keep Jerricho Cotchery but I would not offer him a lot of money, if he stays great, if not so be it. I would keep Ward for another year if Cotchery walks, if only to help tutor the new WRs drafted, as he did with Brown and Wallace.

I would keep Legursky and Foster, they are both restricted, I would let Essex go. Starks I would keep for another year, I doubt he will be offered a ton of money from anyone else. Can we just cut Kemoeatu, please!

I would keep Carlie and Byron (again neither of them would I pay a lot of money to), let Dixon walk.

Now, for the draft.

1st. David DeCastro OG Stanford

3rd. Ladarius Green TE La.-Lafayette

4th. (From St. Louis) Jarius Wright WR Arkansas

4th. Joe Adams WR Arkansas

5th. Chad Diehl FB Clemson

6th. Adrian Robinson OLB/DE Temple

7th. Chris Greenwood CB Albion

DeCastro is why I would do all the trading around, if we could put him at OG with Mike at the other G and Maurkice in the middle, we would be athletic enough to pull and trap and psychical enough to blow people off the line. Now, there should be a few good LTs available here, like DeCastro's teammate Jonathan Martin, but I would draft DeCastro, he has a mean streak to him and he is massive for a OG, we need that against the Ravens and Ngata.

Green is a fast, athletic TE, split him out or keep him in line.

Those two WRs from Arkansas, without Wallace and Cotchery getting these two would be great. And Adams is a heck of a returner, we would have to protect Brwon as he would be our number 1 receiver so I doubt haveing him return punts would be wise. Plus, both those guys can fly! With Sanders in the mix, our future at WR would be bright.

Chad Diehl is a fullback, and can he block! He can pick up blitzes and is an outstanding lead blocker. With a rebuilt interior OL, and a big bruising FB leading Mendenhall/Redman, those all out blitzes against Big Ben will be a thing of the past.

As for Adrian Robinson and Chris Greenwood, ton of potential, ideal size and upside. They like projects too, and Greenwood could develop into a very good corner.

With the new additions on offense, this would help them become much more balanced, being able to run out the clock later in games. Running the ball also eats up clock, thus decreasing the amount of possessions for each team during a game, thus saving our defense from extra plays run against them and keeping them fresher.

Next year, without a doubt it will be time to work on the defensive side of the ball, but if Ben does not get protected now, it won't matter what our defense does.

I think the core of our defense has another run in them, retool the offense, protect Ben, establish a running attack and go for it!

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we need a NT immediately.

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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 16, 2012 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah I Would ditch the TE pick

And try to get Chapman there

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by John Stephens on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A fullback? Did Arians get canned and I missed it?

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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know where to start...

First according to the draft value chart the combination or just pick #2, #98 and #162 is worth 2735.6 points.
The value of the pick #24 and #56 is 1080.

That is a difference of 1655.6 or roughly the value of the 5th or 6th pick in the draft. Unless your telling me that the Ram value Mike Wallace this much and won’t sign Brandon Lloyd then this isn’t plausible.

Then draft pick 2 and 164 of the Steelers now is worth 2626.8 the 8th pick in the draft is only worth 1400. That would mean Mike Pouncey is valued at 1226.6. or roughly the 12th pick in the draft. Kinda of a reach there. Might be more plausible if the Steelers threw out pick 164.

Then in the draft or free agency ILB isn’t addressed nor is at least NT. Casey Hampton injured his ACL I can almost guarentee he won’t be able to play in the first game so that leaves the Steelers with one NT.

Other than that good offensive draft I guess… love the fullback Chad Deihl but it isn’t going to happen.

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by Steel34D on Jan 16, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree with Steel34D here.

While this is a great effort, the trades are implausible at best. Furthermore, while we’d have a tremendous OL with this, we desperately need help elsewhere, including NT, ILB, both safety positions, etc.

Frankly, I think we’ll look to the FA market for an interior lineman and inside linebacker – not big splashes, but guys who can fill roles – and we’ll go defense, defense, defense in this draft.

by Blackadar on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts on the Pouncey/Wallace trade chart value......

Wallace is by far better than any WR coming out this year…. If you are going to spend this pick on what Blackmon could be, isn’t it better to get a pro-bowler in Wallace, someone able to pull the top off of coverage and allow Jackson more room to run? Further, you couple Wallace with Lloyd, Kendrick and Jackson, suddenly your offensive woes from this year look to be really good for Sam Bradford.

Pouncey went 15th last year, I believe.

I would have no troubles giving some extra picks to make these happen.

NT and ILB can be addressed short term in FA. Farrior proved to be a great pick up, and if the starters don’t get hurt, we are set…. Although injuries always do sneak up on you.

As for Deihl, it is ashamed we are getting away from an offense with a FB and running with a purpose. This Arians offense is crap and we will not win another championship running it. It puts to much pressure on Ben and our defense. Interceptions in our end of the field (Denver, San Fran) costs us dearly. The defense should be given every opportuntiy to get a breather and have the offense take some time off the clock. The best defense is a ball control offense, it always has been! We run the ball against Denver and we are out of there with a win. They could not stop Redman with that pathetic line we have now! But whatever……

by imike29 on Jan 16, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh

I like Blackmon’s potential better than Wallace.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 16, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez, no kidding. I know there is no way we could get him, but I’d be willing to give up someone really important to get him. And if they would just take Wallace for the pick to get him…holy crap..
Blackmon is a receiver, not just a sprinter like Wallace. I think Blackmon is going to be a huge star in the NFL, he has it written all over him. (unless he gets drafted by Cleveland of course, since that’s where careers go to die)

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d take Blackmon in a heartbeat.

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Alotta of work for something with less than zero chance of happening

This scenario will never ever happen, the Steelers don’t trade like that what so ever and the cap problems that would ensue from this happening would be ridiculous. We will never trade up to 2, St.louis would never give up 2 for Wallace and a bunch of late picks and miami is not going to trade their first rd pick from last year just so we can have both Pouncey’s. That is one of the most insane proposals I have ever seen. They can just stay where they are and take Konz or Glenn or osemele and not lose wallace and gain a huge cap problem.

by SteelCity G on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Steel34D

Quote: “First according to the draft value chart the combination or just pick #2, #98 and #162 is worth 2735.6 points.
The value of the pick #24 and #56 is 1080. That is a difference of 1655.6 or roughly the value of the 5th or 6th pick in the draft.”

I also have the Steelers trading their 2nd round pick next year to the Rams, the numbers you have included to get your numbers is incomplete…… The 1080 would be lower, considering the rest of the trade was our 2nd round next year to them and we get their 4th round pick. This, along with including Wallace, makes the trade much more even for both teams, and the pick values would not be off that much.

by imike29 on Jan 16, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Even factoring in the 2nd in 2013 and their 4th. The highest second round pick is worth 580 points and the lowest 116. The highest 4th round pick is worth 112 and the lowest 44. I average those that mean the Steelers value is increase by 348 point to 1428. If I average the Rams it increases by 78 points to 2813.6.

The difference then is 1385.6 or roughly equivalent to the 9th pick in the draft. That would mean that Wallace to the Rams would have to be worth the same as the 9th pick overall.

Unless Al Davis rises from the grave and becomes the new Rams GM there is no way they would do this considering they are a rebuilding franchise you need picks and this trade would give them one less draft pick and a Wr who has been characterized by his own head coach as a “One Trick Pony”

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by Steel34D on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

true

and this doesnt address our needs. TE in the second when we are down to one NT???, makes no sense. He doesnt even have a NT in any of the picks. Plus, this isnt enough for Wallace.

by lamberts58 on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Aside from DeCastro (who we aren’t getting), this draft would make me rage. 5 offensive players in a row, including a TE, WR, and FB? No thanks.

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by Riddlah. on Jan 16, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think we could get DeCastro

If we were willing to move up 10ish spots. He could fall to 14-15 area. It would take our first and a couple 3rds to get there, but it could happen.

Though, if we are moving to 8-9, we would be better served taking a franchise LT and getting a guard in the 2nd or 3rd.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Not addressing the OL now

Would make me rage. Without Ben we are not winning anything, and without an OL all he will do is get killed! But hey, if you like the throw the ball around, even though you have one of the better RBs in the league, and you can’t run the clock out in the 4th quarter when you have a lead and you go 3 and out, then hey, you have what you want.

As for WRs, we have one RF, one UFA, and one that everybody is waiting to find out if he is going to retire or play, or if the Steelers will even keep him. Don’t you think the odds are we will need to replace any of them?

As for TEs, Johnson is a RF (I believe), and Miller has seen younger days. Saunders I haven’t seen enough to pass judgment on him.

by imike29 on Jan 16, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Go back and re-read my comment. I have no problem with getting an OLineman, but DeCastro isn’t falling to us. As for receivers, we have 2 great players who we know are coming back (Brown and Sanders), and one who is most likely going to sign a nice sized contract with us (Wallace). Plus, most likely either Ward or Cotchery is going to stay so that is four if not five players who are most likely coming back. So no, we don’t need a WR in the draft and we can always sign a FA.

As for TEs, Saunders, Miller, and Johnson are fine. If Johnson leaves we can find a FA.

Also, this whole draft is amazingly unrealistic so don’t get offended when people find problems with it.

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by Riddlah. on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Wallace

If he were to sign elsewhere, it would be after the Steelers tag him with at least a 1st and a 3rd tender. Depending on who signs him, that could be worth losing him.

*I’m not advocating this, but Wallace will be a Steeler, or we will get a ridiculous return for him.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

As much as everybody here loves our Pouncey

I dont know what to think of a person who both years was voted to the All Pro Team but DIDNT PLAYED when we needed him more. Two injuries preventing him for playing the SB last year and now the playoffs this year?, i see a trend here, i hope im wrong. I saw in another blog somebody asking a question: how many times did Mike Webster or Dermonti didnt play in a crucial game because of a high ankle injury.

In my opinion we should not trade Walace for any Pouncey until ours delivers when we really needs him and proves he is worthy to this team and not the All Pro Team.

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by rhino-mike on Jan 16, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

People also played through concussions back then, so…

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by Riddlah. on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Two injuries preventing him for playing the SB last year and now the playoffs this year?, i see a trend here

Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend.
For a great example of that, I give you Matt Stafford. It’s way too early to get in to that for Pouncey.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 16, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, i hope you are right and im wrong

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by rhino-mike on Jan 16, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

So... sign a NT in the offseason. If so, that'd be a great draft

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 16, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Who?

The Steelers can’t afford the only good, young NT there is in Free Agency this year and that is Paul Soliai. All the others are over thirty or have done nothing to merit a FA contract.

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by Steel34D on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine and Dandy but

for all this to happen, which I am for, first we need to get rid of BA
PLESE PLES PLEASE let BA go

by Sch Lotan on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

And who is scheming this plan?

I like it but I will stand point and ask this. Our Oline is not the best but I have seen them provide decent time at times but their lack of run blocking practice is obvious. This is the case because our Bubble boy is spending way to much time getting away from balance and invesitng it in empy sets in the redzone. I know I will garner the title Tampa Len Bubble Bruce slayer, but is this not the case. So, with all this who will scheme this plan for success?

by TampaLen on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

If we made these moves

I’d rather see us draft a franchise LT and stick Mike Pouncey at LG. We can find a pretty decent RG somewhere else in this draft, or next year.

I agree that you are overvaluing one deal, and undervaluing another, as pointed out by Steel34D, but you aren’t terribly far from those being actual trades (though I really doubt the Steelers would ever make deals like that).

I would also be very against your picks later on. If we did trade Wallace, I could see drafting 1, but not 2 WRs. Also, we need a NT in there somewhere and you don’t address our other needs of S, and ILB. I would love to see a FB in our system, but that isn’t happening. Look for a TE of the David Johnson (albeit one who can catch) mold.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 17, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Michael, I was torn about drafting Martin too.....

Trading to get up there one would think the LT position would be a better option for us, and that might be the right pick. I, on the other hand, was thinking of our competition, Baltimore. If we did rework our OL, and got the guys above, they are all big and strong enough to deal with Ngata, and athletic enough to pull. This would also force (I believe) the Ravens to keep Ngata in one position, instead of lining up in different spots. Line up outside you run in. This would keep him off the tackles. If he is neutralized by a C/G combo, and a FB takes on Lewis, that leaves your RB in a much better situation. Lewis is great in pursuit, or in space, get a big body on him different story…. If you run to the right side, you would either force Suggs to chase down the play, or they would move him to left side of the defensive formation, off our LT. If they truly had to worry about where to line up cause they were afraid of us running it down their throats, their defense would not be able to tee off on Ben.

by imike29 on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Bye Bruce! And other thoughts to posts......

Obviously this is what I would think of doing if I ran the Steelers. All of us have their own “plan” on how we would fix the Steelers and return them to the Super Bowl, every year!

My thoughts are…..

1) We can not run out the clock…. The Ravens game in Heinz, that final play should have never have happened and would not if they could have eaten up the clock. We should be hosting the AFC Championship game this weekend, and we are not because of that game.

2) Our Def is aging, no doubts, but outside of getting a NT, we can make one more run with the group we have…… They were number 1 in the NFL in scoring, total and pass def! Even if we slip to 5-10th next year, we are still light years ahead of where most other teams in the NFL would be.

3) A ball control offense limits the number of possessions per team, per game, thus limiting the number of plays run against our defense. You want to save them, keep them off the field. Old guys don’t break down by sitting on the bench.

4) We need to save Ben, he is the franchise. Without him, we will not win any championships, and if you are winning championships who really cares? There is a standard here, isn’t there? Is a wild-card enough? To win the division we have to beat Balitmore, and we need to improve our offense…. They still have Flacco, and outside of a few good throws in the game at Heinz, he is an average QB at best.

5) Even if you draft a NT in the 1st, 2nd round, you really expect them to play right away? If I remember correctly Casey didn’t start his first year….

by imike29 on Jan 21, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I AGREE ALOT WITH YOURE TRADES AND PICKS, THE WHOLE KEY TO THIS UP COMING YEAR IS THE O-LINE, RIGHT NOW WE ARE BLESSED WITH ALOT OF TALENT AT WR, AND WHAT WALLACE IS GOING TO WANT IN MONEY WE CAN GET ALOT FOR HIM IN THIS DRAFT, WALLACE IS THE KEY TO US BUILDING A GREAT WALL AROUND BEN,AND BEING ABLE TO POUND THE BALL AGAIN. I THINK ALOT OF US WANT TO KEEP WALLACE BUT WE MUST LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE PITTSBURGH DOESNT PAY THE BIG BUCKS TO WR, ITS A FACT FOR A LONG TIME NOW, SO THE TRADE TO ST LOUIS IS A WIN WIN FOR BOTH TEAMS, AND WE NEED A WHOLE NEW O-LINE EXCEPT FOR POUNCEY, 2 GUARDS , 2 TACKLES NOW WE CANT GET ALL THAT IN THE DRAFT BUT WE CAN GET A COUPLE PEICES, AND MAYBE PICK UP SOMEONE LATE IN FREE AGENT ,

by BILLYSHMO on Feb 27, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions  


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