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Steelers 2012 Offseason Outlook

OFFENSE

QB: With Ben Roethlisberger, a quality backup is a must. Luckily, we have two in Charlie Batch and Byron Leftwich. However, Batch is likely to retire and Leftwich spent all of 2011 on IR. Dennis Dixon will be the only one under 30 by next summer, and he has shown very little in terms of regular season production. Roethlisberger is also the only one who is not a free agent after this season. I think we should resign Leftwich and either sign a new #3 or draft a someone in the middle rounds to develop. Pick: Ryan Lindley, San Diego State. 5th Round. Lindley has a cannon for an arm and can make every throw in a pro system, but he struggles with the minutia of the position. His mechanics need a ton of work and he needs to make better decisions which is why he is inaccurate on a lot of throws. Fix that, and you've got a hell of a QB.

RB: Rashard Mendenhall tearing his MCL makes the RB situation much more murkey, as he is entering the final year of his rookie contract in 2012. Redman is an exclusive rights free agent which means we can offer him a minimum contract and he'll stay. Mewelde Moore could be resigned for some veteran stability if Mendenhall isn't ready, but if Mendy is ready Moore should not be resigned. A lot of guys love Baron Batch, but he will have to prove his durability as well. Jonathan Dwyer has shown flashes but not enough to count on. Pick: Isiah Pead, Cincinnati. 4th Round. Pead excels more in the passing game but has shown the ability to break long runs as well with his exceptional sPead (ha! get it?). He would make a great 3rd down RB and could split time with Redman if Mendenhall were to miss time.

WR: First of all, a big Congratulations to Hines Ward for reaching 1,000 catches. He has already said he will restructure his contract to stay with the team, and I would love him to stay another year. Wallace and Brown make a great tandem and we will need to work to resign them both in the coming years. Wallace should be given a 1st and 3rd round tender as a restricted free agent. Sanders is not to be dismissed either and hopefully he can stay healthy next year. I would love to have Jerricho Cotchery back, especially if the front office decides to cut Hines. People have thrown Plaxico Burress's name around, and although I was completely against it this past summer I wouldn't be opposed to it this year as long as he is willing to accept a role as a situational 3rd receiver. Regardless, I think we are set at this position for the foreseeable future. Cutting Arnaz Battle will save us a little more than $1mil in cap room. Pick: Laron Byrd, Miami. 7th Round. At 6' 3.5" Byrd could be a good redzone target who also excels going over the middle and catching balls in traffic. Best case scenario he turns into a taller Hines Ward which is the only thing this group is missing out of its young guys.

TE: I've come to realize that Heath Miller may never get another Pro Bowl nod but its not because of a lack of talent. He just doesn't get the same opportunities that a Gronkowski or Graham does. I'm excited to see what Weslye Saunders will be able to do next year. David Johnson is a good H-back/3rd TE even though he dropped a couple balls against Denver. The only way we draft a TE this year is if we don't plan to resign Johnson, who is a restricted free agent. Pick: Brian Linthicum, Michigan State. 7th Round. I heard a rumor that this is Tim Lincecum's cousin with a really bad lisp.

OT: If Starks is resigned there could be a bit of a backlog at OT next year with him, Gilbert, and Colon. However, after tearing his ACL in Denver I don't think he will be resigned. The best case scenario would be to have Gilbert develop into our starting LT, Colon come back healthy as a RT, and resign Starks (if healthy) to a veteran minimum contract as a backup at both positions. I'm not sure if Starks would like that though, since he played very well this year and if not for the injury would deserve a sizable extension. We will probably cut Jonathan Scott to save us $2.2mil, though he could be brought back for vet minimum. Pick: Mike Ryan, Connecticut. 4th Round. Great size and is pretty well rounded as a blocker but doesn't dominate in any one area. A bit of a project but should have room to grow.

G/C: Chris Kemoeatu's penalties are not worth his paycheck and will be released this offseason. The move will probably come after June 1st since cutting him would save the Steelers $2.4mil in cap room, although waiting until after June 1st would save them almost $3.6. Ramon Foster is decent but would be best as a swing backup to both spots, he should be given a 2nd round restricted tender. Trai Essex has been a valuable injury fill-in and would be worth keeping once we cut Kemo. It almost goes without saying, but Pouncey's job is safe. Legursky is a restricted free agent who should be offered a 2nd round tender as well. Pick: Cordy Glenn, Georgia. 1st Round. Glenn plays OT right now for Georgia but should transition to G in the pros. There's no telling how good this offense could be with another top OLman next to Pouncey.

DEFENSE

DL: Having spent 2 of the last 3 first round picks on DEs, the Steelers have their future at the position. Brett Keisel was a Pro Bowl snub this year (Freeney and Mathis got in on reputation and nothing else) with a few more good years left in him. The problem is what to do with the NT position since Chris Hoke will probably retire and Casey Hampton just injured his ACL (no surgery is required though). Hampton is due over $8mil and will have to take a pay cut in order to stay with the team. Steve McLendon has done well this year but he is not a true NT because he is simply too small. He should be back though since he's an exclusive rights free agent. Pick: NT Alameda Ta'amu, Washington. 2nd Round. Ta'amu was a preseason 1st round pick for many Steelers fans, but his stock has fallen into the second after a disappointing year. He will probably be best served learning from Hampton for a year if we can keep him. Pick: DE Ethan Johnson, Notre Dame. 5th Round. I included a second pick in this section since I mashed the whole DL together. Johnson is a project and has an injury history but has experience in the 3-4. He had 5 sacks in 2010 when playing in a 3-4.

OLB: I'm sure this has been a very frustrating year for James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, who easily make up the best pass-rushing tandem in the league but couldn't stay on the field together at all this year. Still, Woodley is locked up long term and Harrison has a few years left. Backups Jason Worilds and Chris Carter should have at least another year to develop and fight over Harrison's spot when he leaves. Pick: Adrian Robinson, Temple. 7th Round. Hopefully a sleeper pick, Robinson had 13.5 tackles for loss with 6.5 sacks this year.

ILB: Lawrence Timmons didn't have the season we were expecting on account of playing OLB for a few games due to injury. Still, he is locked up long term and should bounce back next year. James Farrior is in a similar situation to Hines, he's probably playing his last year in 2012 and will need to take a pay cut or else be cut altogether. Larry Foote's future is tied to Farrior's, if Farrior leaves we will surely keep Foote for a veteran presence, if Farrior stays Foote will almost assuredly be a cap casualty to save us about $3mil. Stevenson Sylvester hasn't had many opportunities outside special teams, but he will need to show more if he expects to take over for Farrior. Pick: Dont'a Hightower, Alabama. 1st Round. I was extremely disappointed that Manti Te'o opted to stay his senior season as he was my favorite prospect for the Steelers, but Hightower is a great consolation prize. He would be a great "Buck" ILB while Timmons plays the "Mack" position. He excels in taking on blocks and delivering the big hit inside the tackles.

CB: After so much scrutiny and hating on this group last year, this bunch has turned it around to become the #1 pass defense in the league. Ike Taylor has upped his game after getting a new contract and William Gay and Keenan Lewis have completely turned a corner this year. I'm torn on what to do with Gay, he played well this season but we can't afford to give him much of a long-term contract. Lewis should be given a 2nd round restricted tender. Throw in rookies Cortez Allen and Curtis Brown and we have a solid group going forward. The only disappointment has been Bryant McFadden who will be an easy cap casualty this offseason to save us $2.5 million next year. Pick: Tashaun Gipson, Wyoming. 6th Round. Gipson has solid size at 6'0" and 195lbs. and has recorded 3 interceptions in each of the last 3 years. Not bad for a 6th round pick.

S: Ryan Clark and Troy Polamalu have both had great seasons despite their numbers being down. Quite simply, we're lucky to have both these guys for the foreseeable future. I'm not sold on Ryan Mundy as a replacement for Clark, but he should be given a 2nd round tender since he is the only depth we have behind Clark and Troy. Will Allen is great on special teams but shouldn't be counted on as a starter or even reliable backup. He will probably be cut to save us $1.28mil. Pick: Robert Lester, Alabama. 2nd Round. Lester is a ballhawk of a safety who could learn under Clark for a year or two before picking up the spot next to Troy. He is best when roaming center-field of the defense.

ST: Jeremy Kapinos has played well in replacing Sepulveda and deserves a chance to stay. I don't see a rookie who could be better than him this year anyway. Suisham has been an average kicker at best and can't be relied on in pressure situations. If (and only if) the TOP kicker on our board falls to us in the 5th or 6th round then we should grab him but only if we know he's an upgrade over Suisham. If we have to debate over who's better its not even worth drafting him. Pick: Randy Bullock, Texas A&M. 6th Round. Bullock was first team All American this year and can make kicks from 50+. He's almost automatic from within 40 and has a 78% ratio for his career.

Star-divide

So, with all this in mind here is my Steelers 2012 Mock Draft.

1. Cordy Glenn OG, Georgia.

2. Alameda Ta'amu NT, Washington

3. Nico Johnson ILB, Alabama

4. Isiah Pead RB, Cincinnati

5. Ethan Johnson DE, Notre Dame

6. Randy Bullock K, Texas A&M

7. Laron Byrd WR, Miami

With a couple extra Free Agent backups signed, here's what our 2012 roster could look like:

*-denotes rookie

QB- Ben, Leftwich, David Garrard

RB- Mendenhall, Redman, Dwyer, Pead*

WR- Wallace, A. Brown, Sanders, Ward, Cotchery, Byrd*

TE- Miller, Saunders, Johnson

OT- Gilbert (left), Colon (right), Starks, Jared Gaither

OG- Glenn*(left), Foster (right), Essex, Chilo Rachel

C- Pouncey, Legursky

DE- Keisel, Hood, Heyward, E. Johnson*

NT- Hampton, Ta'amu*, McLendon

OLB- Harrison, Woodley, Worilds, Carter

ILB- Timmons, Farrior, Sylvester, N. Johnson*

CB- Taylor, Gay, Lewis, C. Brown, C. Allen

S- Troy, Clark, Mundy, W. Allen

ST- Kapinos, Bullock*, Warren

NOTES:

  • All 7 rookies make the roster
  • Cap casualties: Kemoeatu, McFadden, Foote, Moore, Hoke (retire), A. Smith (retire).
  • Restricted free agents: Wallace (1st and 3rd), Lewis (1st), Foster (2nd), Legursky (2nd), Mundy (2nd), Johnson (7th). McLendon and Redman are brought back as exclusive rights free agents.
  • Restructured: Ward, Farrior, and Hampton take pay cuts to stay with the team, maybe even Keisel if he's willing/we need him to. If Farrior isn't brought back, I'm sure we'll resign Foote (Foote is actually scheduled to make more than Farrior next year, so I want to keep James).
  • Resigned at veteran minimum: W. Allen, Starks, Gay (offer reasonable contract, if he walks resign McFadden at vet minimum), Essex, Cotchery,
  • Free agents signed at vet minimum: QB David Garrard, OT Jared Gaither, OG Chilo Rachel
Poll
Who would you like the Steelers to draft in the first round?
Cordy Glenn OG, Georgia
44 votes
Dont'a Hightower ILB, Alabama
29 votes
Mark Barron S, Alabama
5 votes
Peter Konz C, Wisconsin
46 votes
Vontaze Burflict ILB, Arizona State
9 votes
Dontari Poe NT, Memphis
23 votes

156 votes | Poll has closed

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Just to let you know, I read this

Well written, didn’t have much to add. Except BURFICT!

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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

i suppose i got pretty long-winded haha

i would love Burflict if he checks out with our interviews. i just dont think he will.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

I’ve heard that the only thing wrong with the kid is that he is too competitive and too vicious. He doesn’t have off the field issues, he isn’t a locker-room cancer, etc. He commits stupid penalties and that is all he does wrong. With some good coaching, the kid can become one of the best ILBs in the league.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

unless im mistaken

Didnt he beat up a freshman in the lockerroom??

"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."

by Paulie58 on Jan 17, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, each player threw a punch and then they were separated. That hardly counts as beating someone up.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

its more about his hotheadedness on the field

he’s not mentally tough and will crack if someone gets under his skin. that usually happens at the most inopportune times and will cost us more than one important game

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m telling you man, all of those things can be taught by good, tough coaches and a veteran locker room, both of which we have.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 18, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Has Kemo learned this lesson?

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

But he isn’t as skilled as Burfict so we don’t put up with his dumb penalties. I would gladly take an extra 15 yard penalty every game if it meant that I could have Burfict, who has a great chance at becoming the next great ILB, on my team.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem is

once he gets a few of those (no doubt he’ll have a few his rookie year) the league is going to come down on him hard because he had a history of it in college and he’s a Steeler. a flag here and there? sure, whatever. a suspension here and there? no way. and theres almost every indication it will get to that point.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This is assuming that he can’t be coached, and I think he can if he came to the Steelers or Ravens.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 18, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, that is the assumption

i trust the coaches to teach football technique, not life-lessons. sometimes the two coincide and obviously the most effective coaches teach both. but still, they arent psychiatrists

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The Titans had a veteran locker room for year under Jeff Fisher

And how did that work out for them?

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 19, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Burfict...

sounds like a guy we picked first in the draft in 1969 by the name of Joe Greene! I remember Joe kicking and fighting and elbowing players when he was young and things not going well. I even heard he went on a bus to get a player after a game. Can you imaging if we didn’t draft him?

by ColinP on Jan 18, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

sounds like a guy we signed back in 2002 as a UDFA

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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 18, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Burfict ≠ UDFA

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But yes I agree.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We also didn't invest 1st round money in him either

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 19, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s not getting 10 million a year or something ridiculous like that?

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by John Stephens on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't aware that we gave him that much money back in 2002 as an UDFA

James was a nobody back then, so there was hardly any risk in signing him to the practice squad.

We’re talking about drafting a guy in the 1st round that has had multiple problems while he’s been in college, unlike Blount or Deebo. We already got rid of Santonio and Porter, now you guys want us to pick up another player with similar tendencies? Doesn’t seem like the Steeler way to me.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Letting go of Porter had nothing to do with attitude and everything to do with age/money. Tone’s issues were off the field. Neither of those are comparable.

And my point is the thing people are complaining about with Burfict are the exact things that Harrison gets in trouble for.

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by John Stephens on Jan 19, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

When does Harrison quit on a play?

When does Harrison hit people out of bounds?

When does Harrison get into fights with teammates?

When does Harrison have total disregard for his coaches?

And weren’t these same things said about Jimmy Smith last year? A lot of people wanted to stay away from him because he had issues at Colorado on and off the field. I dont even think that Burfict has as much upside as Smith either. Burfict doesn’t have great change of direction, nor great instincts. Not a better prospect than Rolando McClain from last year.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And weren’t these same things said about Jimmy Smith last year?

And what trouble has Jimmy Smith been in since having NFL coaches?

And on your other points didn’t Clark/Polamalu have problems hitting people late this year? Didn’t Heyward get into a few fights in camp?

I haven’t seen anything on him quitting or having total disregard for coaches though.

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by John Stephens on Jan 19, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He did refuse to come out of the game

when the coaches tried to pull him.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 19, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t Ben always do that?

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by John Stephens on Jan 19, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben is the reason we have won two Super Bowls this past decade

I would take heed of his opinion before I would a marginal LB that has displayed a bad attitude and poor sportsmanship throughout his career.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 20, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

you cant say that for the first one

unless you didnt watch the Superbowl against Seattle. I would say the Defense and Willie Parker helped with that one. Not Ben.

by lamberts58 on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

So we would've gotten there without him?

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

gotten there and winning it are two different things

You implied that Ben is the reason we one two superbowls. Not, Ben is the reason we got to two superbowls. Two different things. Hence, my point that Ben wasnt the major reason we one the first one.

by lamberts58 on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

What's the difference?

Burfict was the best player on their defense. He didn’t want to come out. Ben does the same thing all the time. There is no difference.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Clark and Troy have brain farts from time to time

But not almost every game like Burfict. He’s always doing something a little extra after the whistle that will get you fined/suspended in todays NFL. None of our guys do that, its not the Steeler way.

We’re not the Tennessee Titans man.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

“Almost every game”? To my knowledge it was two or three games this year. And I’d say one of them against Oregon was questionable.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

not to mention

The Steelers already have a bulls eye on their back from DICKTATOR Goodbells, so this guy will be suspended and fined on every other down. He would probably end up playing for nothing his first year or two because he would have to give it all to Goodbells.

by lamberts58 on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Would love Hightower.

After DeCastro, i don’t know if i see an interior lineman with a top-24 grade. But i’m not necessarily an expert either.

by crosby87 on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

yea the best NT prospect this year is Dontari Poe

and he probably shouldn’t go in the 1st round, though he might if Houston likes him enough. if youre talking OLmen, the next two are Cordy Glenn and Peter Konz. both are in the 20-25 range

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice. I doubt we get gaither and chilo but those would be great pickups. The more I think about it a couple good guards could completly solidify the line. That’s if max plays a full season or we get a servicable tackle.

by Unleashed on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

if gilbert develops into a solid LT we will be in great shape.

LT and C are the big two and we’d be set at those. RT would come down to Colon or Starks, whichever is healthier/better. draft a top tier Guard and pair him with Foster and you’re above average already. if we got two Guards and made Foster the top backup then we’re really talking.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

and yes gaither and rachel are more like hopeful pickups

only sign guys who will come cheap, in my scenario they’re both #4 on the depth chart anyway.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I like OG (or a C who can play guard) 1st pick. I am not happy with the comments about Glenn’s lack of motor. I currently leaning towards Konz because I like vesatility. I can live without Burflict if only because the league will make him a twin poster boy with James Harrison and the team doesn’t need the alternating suspensions.

I think NT is the next biggest need. I would take a NT over an ILB if given the choice.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

yes, we seem to be in the minority

but ILB is the #3 need behind G and NT. they are all pretty close, but there is a serious lack of talent at G and NT whereas we have backup options in place at ILB. having another year of Farrior or Foote starting is NOT as bad as people make it seem.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 18, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree

One you have to deal the hand the draft gives you. You have to go with value more so than the teams needs although they do play a part in it. You want a well rounded team and not a huge deficiency in one area. You say that ILB is not as bad as people make it seem but you do know it will only get worse with Farrior and Foote there right? They aren’t getting any younger, faster, or quicker, nor is their coverage skills improving at all. You want to know why Troy didn’t have as many INTs this year as he did before? Because they had to play him at the line of scrimmage most of the year to mask the issue at ILB. You get a ILB in there to pair with timmons speed and quickness, then troy can stay back and not have to bite as much as he did this year.

This year the ILB position is extremely top heavy so there is a huge drop off from Hightower to Audie Cole. Trust me, I am a wolfpack fan, I wouldn’t want Audie Cole starting in this defense.

The guard position in this draft is fairly deep, we can find a guy in the 2nd round that can start day one. People want konz because they want a pro bowl guard from jump street. I don’t think we need a pro bowl caliber guard -although it would be nice. People forget it wasn’t the line that got ben hurt this year, it was Ben not throwing the ball away against the Browns in the 2nd Qtr. Ben has to be smarter or no line is going to be able to protect him.

As for NT there is no legitimate NT in the draft this year and there is no need to reach for one. Plus you aren’t going to spend a first round pick on all three of your defensive linemen.

So its more than just the fear of having another year of Farrior or foote, its drafting for value all around and improving the entire team, not just one area. If you wanted to do that then lets trade up for DeCastro. I think all three positions are needed equally, but ILB gets the nod because of the value in the draft. Plus how many plays did you see Farrior make this year, his numbers took a huge drop. There is a reason why Clark was the leading tackler this year for the first time and that is one of them.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 18, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good arguments, tann, but...

1) No rookie is going to start @ILB on this defense…even a first rounder. Rookies seldom start anywhere…Pouncey had no competition and Gilbert gained it by default/injury.
2) I’m not sure Hightower has the requisite speed. Maybe it’s due to nagging injury, but his coverage near the end of the season (only time I saw him) seemed lacking.
3) Re: Troy’s interception #‘s…this arguement is not based upon any proven facts, but is an unsubstantiated assertion. NOBODY on the Steelers had interceptions this year! I think Troy’s play was predicated on what he thought was going to happen…as it usually is (except when he is hiding an injury).
4) I think that our ability to predict what the FO will do on draft day is pretty limited. That said, I do appreciate all of the attempts here to do just that…and the discussion that ensues.

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by Andy34 on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

well

1) never say never, Hightowers knows the 3-4 well and probably would start day one in this defense, if he could cover passes
2) I’m not sure about hightower speed either, don’t know if it is an injury or not but there were people saying he was better than Rolondo McClain, I just haven’t seen the coverage side of that yet, hopefully he’ll show better in the combine
3) Not based on any proven facts? unsubstantiated assertion? Have you been watching the Steelers this year? You mean to tell me you didn’t see Troy play the ILB position more and was closer to the line this year? There is no refuting that fact because it is a fact.
4) Yea no one really knows what the FO will do. The FO doesn’t even know what they will do. No one knows anything until the draft starts, you can have a plan – an idea but something crazy always happens in the draft you have to plan for it, who knows steelers may get a crazy offer for their number 1 draft spot and take it. I think they should. If we could get like 3 picks in the second round, like the 33 and 40 spots in addition to our 48th spot, I’d take that. That way you can focus on quality on those three positions that we all believe we need. That would be best situation to me, trade down for two number 2, or trade our 4th, 6th, and 7th, round picks for a number 2.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

tannofsteel84 is correct

there is no doubt the steelers had DB’s and our safety’s compensating for lack of coverage skills from Farrior. At times, it was embarrasing to watch Farrior in coverage and Troy had to make up for this. I also think that having to move Timmons to the outside for several games hurt us and this killed us in the middle linebacker position for coverage.

Dont fall into rookies dont start melody. The steelers offense and defense isnt rocket science, your either a football player or you arent. This is the standard only the steelers have set in recent years. Other teams draft people to come in and play and become starters from day one.

by lamberts58 on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Name the last Rookie to actually start

in Lebuea’s system. Not sub for an injury, not replace a faltering starter, but win the job from Training camp. Hampton was the only, and really how much of the playbook do you need to know to play NT?

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin

by Steel in FL on Jan 24, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i would never argue with BPA

if an ILB that we like is there in the 1st round i would absolutely take him. Hightower is one of my favorite prospects for the Steelers. im just saying that going into the draft, G and NT are more pressing needs than ILB

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 19, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

even off of needs

I still think ILB is more pressing than NT.

We all feel casey will make it back next year, just not sure how he is going to look. I don’t think anyone expects Farrior to be back next year. Especially since we are 20+ million dollars over the cap. Sly hasn’t shown that he is anywhere close to playing the ILB position so that leaves just foote and timmons. And I’m not especially high on foote either, its like trading a VW beetle for a Toyota Camry. Sure its faster but it will still get smoked by a ferrari. We need a ferrari at ILB, at least I feel we do. An athletic freak that can cover TEs and RBs and lay the wood in the run game.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

i do expect Farrior back next year

he’s actually going to be cheaper to keep than Foote, and i dont think he wants to retire just yet. secondly, we don’t have enough resources to get a ferrari at every position. at ILB we at least have a Camry that can last long enough for another couple thousand miles. at NT we only have a an old beat up mustang with 200,000 miles on it.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, but...

…I can’t see trying to have a Camry keep up with a Lexus TE in coverage assignments. I’d rather put our Foote to the pedal than rely on an older 4 cylinder putting around mid-field.

As far as NT, ours is more a micro-bus than a mustang; either way, it does have a lot of mileage, and the springs may be shot.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Jan 19, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A camry is nice

until you see a ferrari lol I’m not saying we need one at every position, just everyone we can afford.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 19, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

odd that you use Camry and Lexus for your analogy, because according to most major car publications, they are nearly identical. Except the Lexus has slightly better interior features and a way higher price tag.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 19, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright smarty pants...

…change Lexus TE to Aston Martin TE – happy?

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

lol. yes sir!

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

no one 'wants' to retire

they are forced to, either by injuries, front office, or father time

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 19, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

farrior isnt a VW or Camry

he’s a yugo. Especially in coverage. Another player who is actually hurting his team more than helping and needs to bow out gracefully.

by lamberts58 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

for those who are interested

The Steelers signed ten players today.

There is a fanshot on the topic already.

anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 18, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Here is an idea............

People want Farrior back because of his leadership. The steelers can pay him a couple thousand a game to come in the locker room and get the guys fired up and cheer them on along the sidelines. Sorry, those leadership just dont transfer to coverage skills against upper end RB’s and TE’s

by lamberts58 on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

Leadership

The difference between the 2011 Steelers and the 2011 Eagles.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin

by Steel in FL on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and getting burnt from Rb's and TE's out of the backfield

equals points. And the 2011 Eagles is a result of not having Chemistry.

by lamberts58 on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 AM EST reply actions  


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