Casey's Replacement - The Big Zig
Casey Hampton showed signs of major decline this past year even before the ACL injury suffered in the playoffs. He had major problems with cut blocks and just seemed to wear down. It's bound to happen given the mileage and his age. So even if he comes back, I don’t think he can be counted on as anything more than a role player. He may be a very effective role player, but should probably only play 15-20 snaps a game. With Hoke not coming back and McClendon's admirable efforts just not effective enough, the cupboard is bare at DT. So going into the draft, the Steelers definitely need a DT. Or do we?
In 2009, the Steelers drafted the heir-apparent to Aaron Smith in Evander “Ziggy” Hood. As with most Steeler rookies, he rode the pine in 2009 but saw more action in 2010, starting 9 games. In 2011, he started 7 games and played extensively in all 16. He’s developed into a decent 3-4 DE, but hasn’t been spectacular. He has 23 tackles and 1.5 sacks, while 2011 pick Cameron Heyward blocked a kick, had 13 tackles and 1 sack in far more limited action. At this stage, Heyward looks like a good prospect at one DE spot and stalwart Brett Keisel still probably has a couple more years in the tank at the other DE position.
So while we have an abundance of riches at the DE spots, we’re left bare at DT…or maybe we aren’t. The Big Zig played DT in a 4-3 defense in Missouri. He’s one of the strongest men on the team and at 6-3 and 300 pounds, he already has the size to play inside. With his frame, he could easily add 20 to 30 pounds if needed to stand up to the inevitable double-team.
If you go back and look at the scouting reports on Zig, they were correct in every way – very strong at the point of attack, good use of his hands, decent short pursuit, mediocre long pursuit, limited pass rush, high motor, decent initial burst off the ball – many of the qualities needed to play DT in our scheme. His only negative is that he sometimes plays too high, but that can be corrected with coaching.
So why not plan on putting Ziggy on the inside rotating with Hampton (if/when he comes back), Heyward at one DE spot, Keisel at the other, let McClendon back up the DE spots (where his 6-4, 280 frame seems to fit better), pick up a veteran free agent as insurance and draft a young DE/DT in the later rounds of the draft to start grooming? We’d get more mileage out of Hampton if he played limited snaps and Ziggy could be our Next Big Thing on the inside.
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Sounds good to me, I have no arguments
Only thing I might add is i am not sure we see big snack again, he always had weight issues, how is a knee injury going to help in that department?
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Sound thoughts but will we
I like this but are we the tinkering type. The “new steeler way” would suggest we are but at the end of the day the only thing new I see is our desire to splash play teams to death. I like Evander, want to see him get a little more nastier but feel we have a solution and like you said, have big boy rotate with evander to spell him. Think Heyward could be a beast for sure. I am lot more at ease when we speak about our defense because Dick L and K Butler use the talent the right way.
Ziggy
A DT in a 4-3 and a DT in a 3-4 are two totally different positions, and Ziggy isn’t the ideal size to be a 3-4 NT. There’s a lot more to it than just being a blob too, there’s strength, balance, and technique….all required to be effective in taking on 2 blockers. I think he could rotate in a pinch…like if they get thin on the DL next year…which is a real possibility, since I don’t think Smith will be back. The future NT must be found in this year’s draft. Hopefully, the Steelers will draft one in the first 3 rounds, preferably in the first 2 rounds.
If he gained 20 pounds, he’d be 6-3, 320. That’s pretty ideal size. Casey was 6-1, 320 coming out of college with short arms – if anything, he had less-than-ideal size.
As for the rest of it, I’ve addressed the technique, strength and balance issues. Those are the strong points of Ziggy’s game.
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Again
if you’re 300 lbs do you know how hard it is of gaining 20 lbs of muscle? I mean you really aren’t suggest he just gain 20lbs of fat right?
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
That and what are you giving up with that extra 20 lbs
speed, explosiveness, agility all things needed to play 3-4NT
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Casey Hampton is not 320lbs
I guarantee that "Big Snack is roughly between 340lbs to 350lbs I don’t think he has been 320 since his draft days.
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Isn't that what he said?
‘coming out of college’. course he’s bigger now, he can afford unlimited twinkies now. Maybe too many in the last year. He’s def not going to be the Casey we know from a few years back. Unless we go to a 4-3, I don’t think we are going to be an AFCN quality NT in this draft with our low pick. I’m hoping we can get Ta’amu, or Dontari Poe. But I don’t think either fall to our pick level. The other guys aren’t worth a first round, yet.
a 4-3 DT and 3-4 NT are not the same you are correct. But a 3-4 DE is pretty close and has similar assignments ass a 3-4 NT. Basically take on double teams for the LBs and push the O-linemen back into the pocket.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
If the Steelers use Ziggy at NT, there won’t be an abundance of talent at DE. There will be Keisel, Heyward…and no one behind them.
I addressed this as well. McClendon’s size is far more suited for DE than DT in our scheme, we could find a low-priced backup on FA and we draft a future guy with a mid-round pick like we did Keisel (7th rounder) or Smith (4th). That would give us depth and flexibility along the entire DL.
Frankly, I’d rather have our best 3 guys on the line and worry about the backups than worry about the starters and feel confident in the backups.
by Blackadar on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
We have to find a replacement in this draft
Chapman, Ta’amu, Poe. One of those guys should be a Steeler next year. Ta’amu is falling and falling fast, we may be able to trade up in the third and get him. I’m feeling like that is the value right there, the guy had a bad game against Standford and Baylor and now everyone acts like he is lunch meat. If the coaches can look at the tape and see something that is fixable as in technique or strength then trade up in the third and get him. Even if its just trading your 3rd and 5th to move up and get him.
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With all due respect, if plan A is to start a guy we might be able to draft in the 3rd round, then we need a new plan.
lol
not always true. You can find starters in the 3rd round. Ta’amu was a first round prospect until the Standford and Baylor games and now his stock is slipping off of those two bad games. He is still a first round talent.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
And i'm not laughing at you
just your comment was funny. Not like a condescending funny but as in smart snappy response funny. :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
It’s all good. My comment was intended to be funny.
I agree with you that you can find prospects in the 3rd round. But at this stage in the off-season,our options are:
1. Counting on Casey to come back healthy. Unlikely.
2. Counting on 280 pound McClendon to step in and start. We’ve seen what happens when McClendon starts.
3. Having someone in Free Agency to come in and fill the role, despite our cap troubles.
4. Counting on someone we haven’t even drafted yet to start at DT on opening day.
5. Work with Ziggy during the off-season with the expectation that he’ll need to step in and perform at DT.
Is there another option that I’m not aware of? Because at this stage, #5 seems clearly like the best approach. If we get lucky and we find a stud DT in the draft, then what harm is done? It’s not like we couldn’t move him back to DE.
McLendon isn't 280 anymore
probably pushing 310lbs right now.
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even so, I dont think anyone is seriously pushing the idea of McClendon being our opening day starter at NT
why not?
I think he played very decent, better than Ziggy for sure
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Actually option 6 is the best.
Get big snack called for defensive holding whenever an absolute dominant play is needed.
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by steelerstyle on Jan 18, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ziggy can barely play DE
Why put him at a tougher position?
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Woodley couldn’t do a thing with Aaron Smith in front of him this year. When Zig started, Woodley’s performance vastly improved. Furthermore, we suffered no statistical drop-off last year when Zig came in for Smith. We actually got statistically better with Zig in the lineup this year. So tell me again how he barely plays the DE?
So Ziggy Hood is the reason all 11 guys played well? That’s amazing.
Or, you could watch Ziggy Hood play and realize that he offers absolutely no pass rush and he cannot take on a double team and is not even that good in 1on1s.
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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
The point is, John, you’ve done nothing to substantiate your belief that Ziggy can “barely play”. So don’t expect a long, reasonable response to your position when you’ve done nothing to establish that position.
As far as him not being an effective pass rusher, I agree. He gets push but no separation from the OL. Given that our scheme doesn’t need our DLs to get sacks but to occupy the line, that’s all the more reason to put him in the middle of the line.
Interesting stat: Casey Hampton has never had more than 2.5 sacks in a year.
I didn't think I really needed to refute something that isn't going to happen
Point A: He’s too small. Ziggy Hood currently weights 300lbs? I really don’t see him just “putting on 20lbs” in the off season while staying fit. When’s the last time someone did that? I can’t recall that happening.
Point B: He cannot handle a double team. Ziggy was someone I paid particular attention to this year because of what PFF had been saying about him. I was adamant that they were wrong. However, when I watched him and compared his play to Cameron Heyward’s this year it just doesn’t add up. When he does get double teamed he is made irrelevant and often pushed way off the line. Casey Hampton can and has pushed two guys in the direction he wants to move. I even don’t like the way he struggles to get off his blocks in 1on1s.
Point C: He cannot rush the passer. Sure, our old style was having DL who didn’t have to rush the passer. Though, I would argue they could when we needed them to. However, teams now are spreading out their offenses and using TEs and RBs more and more in the passing game. 4 man rushes are a lot more important now. Ziggy Hood offers nothing there.
Point D: Your statistics. Ziggy Hood has 1 tackle for a loss. 1. Compare that to 8 that Smith had in 2008. He had 1 batted pass. Keisel had 7 (Smith even had 1). Outside of his sacks, he had 1 QB hit. Heyward, in way less snaps had 3.
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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
hood had 3 sacks in starting just 9 reg. season games and 2 in the playoffs
Hood came in in the last half of the season starting for Smith and did a great job. He had 3 sacks in those 9 games, and had 2 in the playoffs. This is above average for our DT’s. I hardly count this as nothing of a pass rush. There is no doubt this year was his year to step up and continue what he did at the end of last year, and he did not. But, lets not give up. We know he has it, maybe it was an off year, or he was slightly injured that we didnt know about.
On top of his 3 sacks in 2010 he only had 14 QB pressures. That’s not very good. Other DEs in the league got 25+ pressures with 100 less snaps then him that year. He’s just not a good pass rusher.
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by John Stephens on Jan 18, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
3-4
Keisel (23), Antonio Smith (29), Kendall Langford (25), Ray McDonald (32), JJ Watt (25)
Also, I got that wrong. Ziggy only had 10 pressures outside of his sacks.
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by John Stephens on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I was the only one who thought
Ziggy was not playing at the level of Aaron from a couple years ago. And I have no idea if this is true, but I wondered how Aarons performance went over the course of his career? Do DE’s get slightly better over each of several seasons and thus Ziggy as a solid player will be borderline probowl in another 3 years? As it appears Heyward will be much better than Ziggy.
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by steelerstyle on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
John Stephens - I "sorta" agree with your points, but feel that it can be remedied
Ziggy was (IMO) disappointing this year. He was not very good against “runs”. Strong legs and ability to use your hands (swim moves and such) are VERY essential to playing NT. A smart NT can learn the QB’s cadence and needs to be able to get into the head of the Center. He can learn to develop instincts like Troy and be on top of the QB as he takes the snap. And he definitely needs to be able to handle double-teams and use pursuit angle on plays going off tackle. And, unlike Casey, he needs to be in shape. It would help if he were playing at around 320. He has to know how to hit and release and not get into a “sumo match” with the blocker. Casey did this much too often. He has to be able to shed him and look for the ball and to be able to recognize “screen” plays. Personally I thing that he is better built for NT than DE – IF he has the desire to make the change and be successful at it. I cheered for McClendon, but personally felt that he was better suited for DE. Also we had Corvin Bryant on the PS for a time. I thought that he showed a lot of promise at DE.
Woodley always has slow starts, so there is no way that you can know for sure that Ziggy Hood was the reason he started playing better.
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I would say his “hot streak” had more to do with the titans and jaguars having bad RTs. In NE, I would say our press coverage led to coverage sacks.
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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
good point, however from what I’ve seen, Ziggy tries to play the 3-4 DE position like a 4-3 DT would….maybe it’s an instinct for him, but he doesn’t seem to control the edge like Heyward or Kiesel….for the natural instincts of a guy like Zig, who’s used to seeing 2 blockers in front of him (like he did in college), I’d rather have him try and bulk up a little (maybe not “20 pounds of muscle”, but maybe “15-20 pounds of bulk”) and slide into the NT where he may be more of a natural fit
When have we ever seen an NFL player add 20lbs of muscle with ease when they are already pushing 300? It’s not an easy thing to do. Plus, as someone else mentioned, when you add that weight you lose speed, agility, and technique.
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by John Stephens on Jan 18, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oops
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by John Stephens on Jan 18, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all for factual disagreements, guys...
…but you have to do better than “he can barely play DE” (when the stats don’t support that) or just flat-out ignoring points I’ve already stated.
For example, if you don’t think he has the strength to play DT, the you’ll need to show why, because it’s easy for me to go show his combine numbers, scouting reports and articles where Steeler players are quoted on how incredibly strong he is.
His my arguement against Hood playing NT
It doesn’t really solve anything. If you move Hood over to NT then there isn’t anyone at DE, if you move McLendon over to DE then there is no one to spell Hood.
Truth is we need a starting NT and a backup DE in this draft. One major reason why we lost in Denver is because we couldn’t rotate the guys on the defensive line. You need to keep those guys fresh or they will wear out and be no good at the end of games.
Thats why you need the backups. Look at the giants, how they rotate guys in and keep guys fresh and often time the guys they are rotating in are just as good as the guy coming out, the Lions are trying to do the same.
Of course that is a 4-3 and I don’t expect us to rotate at that level but we need to have something. No need for McLendon to learn a new position and Hood to learn a new position, let them get better at their respective positions.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
That’s no accurate, tann.
If we move Hood to DT, our starters are:
Heyward
Hood
Keisel
Our backups are:
McClendon (DT and quite possibly DE – why can’t he cover multiple positions like the OL guys do?)
Hampton (DT, if/when he returns)
Al Woods (DE)
Cheap FA acquisition (DE)
Mid-round draft choice (DT/DE)
That would be one heckuva rotation.
I think where we fundamentally disagree is whether McClendon can fill the starting role at DT. I’ve seen enough to think he can’t. I thought he put up a great effort this year, but he’s simply unable to fill that role in any kind of substantial way. He’s not strong enough and not big enough. I don’t think we can count on him to start. Do you agree or disagree with that assessment?
If he can’t start and Casey doesn’t come back (or come back 100%, and his 100% this year wasn’t that good), then what is your plan? If your plan is to hope that we can draft a guy right out of college to come in and play in that role, then I don’t see that as a plan at all.
I really don't see your option as a plan at all
Move your starting DE to NT in hopes that he picks up the position?
Or even that Al Woods is an option as a back up? I don’t.
Honestly I don’t know if McLendon can fill the role of a NT. I’m not into the lets evaluate this guy based on a couple of games and assume he can’t get any better crowd.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Moving from DE to NT is not that difficult of a change
If he is a “savvy” player, he can make the move successfully. There were times this past season when he was “over the Center”. He is going to need the demeanor of James Harrison (seriously). It is a “tough” position because a lot of traffic goes through it. He MUST be able to clog that middle. Occasionaly he can get in for a sack. If Ziggy is as strong as reported (and is dedicated), he would be a natural for that position. My advice to Ziggy is to keep working on those “guns” (arms) and know how to use them to your advantage. And have a good routine with “squats”. I am sure that he already does this. He is not going to be an “overnight success”, but I think that he can get VERY good. He just might be that person that we need who can help with the pressure up the middle that we needed so badly this past season.
i haven't seen him take double teams well
its gets even hard to take them in the NT because you are double teamed almost every play
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
You are correct
That is why I said he has to WANT to play that position and needs that James Harrison type determination and and ferocity. You have blockers coming at you from all angles. You cannot do as Casey did and get tied up with the center and not releasing. And you MUST be in shape. I played this position (many years ago – LOL) and “loved” it. My hands and forearms would be sore and swollen from beating on the Center and Guards. I hope that if They DO switch Ziggy, he will get started on his transitioning as soon as possible.
That’s absolutely ridiculous to say “the stats support it” when you are using team statistics.
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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Hampton has one year left...
in his contract and I expect him to play it out. I still think he is effective on 1st and 2nd downs. (also his knee injury isn’t as significant as was first reported.) I also like the way McLendon has filled in and between the two of them, you have your NT’s for next season.
And I like the rotation of hood, Keisel and Hayward on the DE’s. As many have already mentioned, moving Hood to DT would leave a serious gap there.
We need to draft a long term replacement for Hampton either this year or next year, but other than that I like the personnel we have headed into next year. I don’t see any reasons to mess with it.
That’s fair. I hope you’re right that Casey can come back. I know he’s trying to come back without surgery, but then again so did Peyton Manning. I don’t share as much confidence in that, but the Steelers know better than I do. I also wonder about his cap implications at $5m for next year.
Personally, I think Ziggy is actually better suited at DT than DE, but that’s just me. I entirely agree that if he stays at DE, we have to get our future DT this year via the draft. We’ve avoided that position for far too long.
It’s going to be a defensive draft – here are our picks:
DT
ILB
SS
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CB
OL
TE (just because of Arians) :)
Disagree
I think our biggest need, is being able to score TDs instead of kicking field goals. If we wait until our 6th pick to take OL…I don’t see the offense improving.
I hope our first 3 picks have 2 OL and a ILB, in some order.
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All the Defense in the world wont help if BB cant stay upright… our primary goal is to correct the OL first… PERIOD. Then worry about other holes via FA or Draft. I honestly cant see us selecting another CB given the better play of some of the 2nd 3rd guys since Lake took over at Sec Coach at least not early. Let them develop plus we have drafted more Def the past 2 drafts then Off and its showing… Safeties yes and no TE is needed at this point.. We have 3 already. With 2 7th round pics we may be able to package to a team that has few pics picking higher (aka the Skins last yr) and pull something off higher in the draft.
If Ziggy cant handle double teams at DE
Then how is he going to handle them at NT? And how are you certain that Ziggy will be able to put on enough weight to handle the position every down? You cant make sense out of that because it doesn’t make sense and there is no evidence to support that it will work, especially if you watched him vs good running teams this year.
I can tell you for certain that this will not happen, because it doesn’t happen anywhere else across the league. The problem with Ziggy is that he is so used to being a 1 gap pass rusher that he is struggling to adapt to his new role. Putting him at NT is a sure fire way of making our run defense much worse. Just not a good idea.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions
Upon reading all of this thread so far, one cannot but conclude that Ziggy...
…has entered bust territory as a DE drafted in the 1st round, and it can only be saved by attempting a second experience at NT. Looks like the first experience of turning a 4-3 DE into a 3-4 DE did not produce much, at least to the extent that Ziggy cannot fill the ample shoes of either Messieurs Smith or Keisel.
When one considers that part of the job description of a 3-4 NT is the ability to play low, attract and beat double teams, and do so well in order to expand the talents of both DEs, I’m not too optimistic that Ziggy can now be coached into it. From what I can tell, the negatives I read about him in the pre-draft publications of that year have not been curtailed to the extent that they justify his selection in the 1st round.
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions
he was a 4-3 DT coming out of a Mizzou
HUGE difference between playing a 4-3 DT and 3-4 NT especially when the last time you played either DT or NT was in college
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I miswrote - Of course, he was a 4-3 DT
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 17, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dont write off Ziggy just yet.
The most important thing is that he has solid work ethic. He still has many years ahead of him. Hopefully Smith will stay along one more year to help him develop.
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by SteelerMessican on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea
We should probably get more athletic at the NT position anyways instead of the big man clogging the middle. We also can’t afford to use a top pick on a NT, to much money tied up on the DL.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions
I don't see Ziggy as a bust yet
Wildly inconsistent, yes! WILDLY & MADDENINGLY. But not quite a bust yet. His good plays show me the Ziggy that everyone hears about (high motor, strongest guy in the Steeler weight room, etc). His down plays are well illustrated by the BTSC faithful. So his overall value is somewhere in the middle- an average DE that needs to improve where he is, not be moved to NT. Just one man’s opinion. I think we need another Hamptonesque beast in the middle and soon. Not only is Casey close to done, he’s injured and in danger of being a cap casualty.
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but why do you keep misspelling his name?
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i think its on purpose
to emphasize the god part.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still his FB friend
Kind of telling that they never put him back on the PS and he never got picked up anywhere.
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by John Stephens on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
He would be a good understudy
He was supposed to be stronger than Ziggy. Just wish that they would have been more patient with that raw talent. Hope he hasn’t given up. Maybe he can be another James harrison. But, the desire and belief in his ability must be there.
That goes to show you strength isn’t everything.
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by John Stephens on Jan 18, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
He was also only 5'11"
He had short arms, a slow burst off the line and poor conditioning
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Whilst I like the idea
Not so sure if Ziggy is the man for the job. I do my best to watch him and the other DL guys and observed the following this season.
Casey Hampton is outstanding in his technique. He plays low and just doesnt move. When double teamed, he holds his ground from a low center of gravity.
Ziggy when doubled is not as effective as Hampton. He is taller, a slight disadvantage, but when double teamed I noticed his head lifts a lot which results in him driven backwards/out of the way.
I expect Casey to be back anyway. I think a front 3 of Keisel, Hampton and Heyward is a good front, Ziggy the backup and hopefully we draft Hamptons heir apparent in the upcoming draft.
NT is less of a need this year for teams than it has been in the past, so we should have a good chance at a solid, future starting prospect
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Good point on being less of a need for other teams, im hoping we find a good one in the third maybe? ILB first round Guard second would be my preference.
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gotta go OL, pref. Guard or tackle in first round, maybe even NT
Hampton is no way going to be ready to go by camp, if not half way through the season.
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by John Stephens on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
A favour?
Can someone please advise me of some good plays by Ziggy Hood this season and what it involved him doing? Im not being sarcastic, he is just the last person i focus on each play….My focus is usually on the rush from Woodley and Harrison or whatever Heyward is doing when he is out there. I’ve never been sold on Ziggy mainly because I dont witness really any “splash plays” from him. Heyward I was sold as soon as he got picked infact i was hoping they would get him leading up to the draft, kid looks more athletic and definitely more football intelligent. I saw more from him this year than i did from Ziggy in the extremely limited time he got. Heyward actually should of had 2 sacks had hasselbeck not intentionally grounded the ball which is more pressure than I’ve seen Zig produce.
Don’t get me wrong, i really want Zig to improve, im hoping he’s been a Keenan Lewis the last two years and next season will be the year he gets it. Therefore while this post is thought provoking, I’d rather have a slightly less effective hampton back in there than putting Zig in there when he might really come into his own at DE next season cause lets face it, he hasnt rapidly learnt the position enough to be effective just yet, Heyward however, has from what i’ve seen IMO.
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I think Ziggy needs to be utilized at DE
I for one was dissapointed in his play this year. Especially when Smith went down once again and Ziggy should of took advantage, like he did last year. In the several games (believe it was 9) he started in 2010 he had 3 sacks in the regular season, and 2 sacks in the post season. That is impressive for our DE’s. One would of thought coming into this year, this would continue, but it did not. I think with the draft fairly deep in your top three NT’s (Poe, Taamu, Chapman) and definitely some sleepers mentioned, we need to take advantage in this draft and get a NT. Leave Ziggy at DE. Hard to say, one of these guys might fall to round 3 and fall right into our hands.
Defensive Line stuff
I can’t add a lot here but something needs to happen – that’s my biggest point, do something. Between Hampton, Hoke and A. Smith you have 3 high mileage and injured D Line players. 2 of the 3 are almost certainly done and Casey is not going to add much early in the season given his injury. Also, his contract needs to be renegotiated if at all possible.
Ziggy is average as a 3-4 DE, maybe below average at times. He could move to NG or be used as the NG situationally. Whether he embraces that or is any good is yet to be seen. One thing we know – he isn’t special as a 3-4 DE, so experimenting with him is reasonable. McClendon did what he could but it was his first real opportunity, so he will likely get better if not spectacular. He can also be used as a DE perhaps.
In the draft, I would say OG is pretty much priority number 1. NG is likely #2, ILB #3. Good linemen make those behind them look good but that is not true inversely. Beyond those first 3 picks, BPA will likely occur unless they use those picks to move up or bundle with a trade.
Keisel had a bigger impact on games than any D Line guy over the season. He and Heywood are the obvious starters at DE next year.
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We must draft Chapman
Dude played 7 games with a torn ACL on the best defense in the country. Why this guy isn’t a first rounder is purely because of his size, but the kid can ball. If he can play at a high level through an injury like that, he should be even more impressive when healthy. Love toughness like that, get him in the 3rd round for a bargain!
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worried with the ACL
that is a red flag, and he might fall into the later rounds like you say. Hard to say, we will have to see how he performs at pro day, combine, etc. Could be a bargain, but an existing ACL injury usually doesnt play out well in the future.
Are you sure it was torn?
That doesn’t seem believable to me.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 20, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
A torn ACL?!? You sure it wasn’t a sprain?
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
You don't need an ACL to play sports
Hines doesn’t have one, De’Jaun Blair doesn’t have either and in hockey you can play right after tearing it. As long as you have the leg strength to do it it’s not that big of a deal.
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ziggy
Doesn’t have the size for nt and will be backing up keisel and Haywood in 2012. Move on and find Casey’s replacement in 2012 draft. Restructure hamptons contract for 2 year deal and rotate,him through he is only good for 10-15 snaps per game provided he rehabs successfully.
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