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Steelers Defensive Breakdown in Preparation for the 2012 NFL Draft

This is the first in BTSC's extended series covering and analyzing the 2012 NFL Draft and how it will affect the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're hoping to highlight prospects, discuss or lament speculation and even provide a full mock draft or two. Keep your eyes open for it, as of now there's no particular timetable, but if you have any ideas, feel free to leave a comment, or email me at the address indicated in my profile. - nc

Next to the salary cap, the draft is the NFL's great equalizer. Those who truly master the NFL's challenge combining business acumen with football smarts succeed. Those who don't are the Cleveland Browns.

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Understatement of the year, the Steelers are not the Cleveland Browns. Their standing as one of the league's best - if not the best - at maintaining salary cap viability along with stockpiling talent will be greatly challenged this off-season. Difficult questions will have to be answered about the need for several of the team's key players over the past seven seasons.

Creating cap space melds with managerial and coaching intuition to determine where that money needs to go. Nowhere is that more important than in the draft. It's the key to building a strong team not just for the upcoming year but over the life of the contracts of the players the team drafted.

Houston's Arian Foster made $525,000 last year off a 1-year deal he signed with Houston. Having the league's best runner over the last two years signed to such a low contract helps Houston sign free agents like Jonathan Joseph, who came in and made his first Pro Bowl while Houston's pass defense went from dead last in the league to one of the best.

Finding players like Foster either in the draft or as an undrafted free agent makes or breaks a team. If you can produce with players under cheap contracts, you get a team collectively playing above what you are paying them, which gives you the ability to get your veteran cornerstone players signed to bigger, longer-term deals.

The Steelers have been masters of this. With a franchise quarterback locked down to a long-term deal (and probably a new one coming this off-season, adding two more years and spreading more money out over that time will give the Steelers more cap flexibility for next season), they sign key players (James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Ike Taylor, Troy Polamalu) to long-term deals while getting great production for little cost from Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Isaac Redman and Steve McLendon.

Because they've been smart in the draft, and conservative in free agency, the Steelers have built an incredible amount of capital in terms of veteran skill and young talent. They grasp the concept of "the bigger picture," and in doing that, they draft not for this upcoming season, but two or three seasons down the line.

With that being said, it's important to frame the Steelers' draft mentality in that context. They draft for development, not for the sake of filling an immediate need.

Last year's No. 1 pick Cameron Heyward is a great example of that. Without the injuries that ravaged the Steelers defensive line in 2011, Heyward wouldn't have played half the amount of snaps he did. Second-round pick Marcus Gilbert was the unanimous selection for team rookie of the year; Heyward was drafted based on where he'll be in three years, not just where he is today.

Golden rule: draft players worthy of the spot you're drafting in. Don't reach, don't target positional improvement on its own. The philosophy is a blend of Best Player Available (BPA), positional need and character. If the BPA is a strong character guy at a position of need, then the decision is easy.

If it came wrapped with a bow on it, though, every team would be good at this. Drafting a position as opposed to a player is a dangerous proposition for a team. If a player like Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon or LSU's Morris Claiborne happen to fall to the Steelers at 24, they should probably draft them, even if those aren't necessarily positions of need. They must also take into account why it is blue-chip prospects like those two fell as far as they did; talent doesn't matter if you're a complete chowderhead who doesn't listen to anyone and gets in trouble off the field (or on it). At the same time, drafting a good character guy 10 spots higher than he should be drafted won't help you in the long-run, either.

In order to help identify that player (or even if a trade scenario is possible), we must break down every aspect of the team and assess its needs from a personnel perspective.

After watching each game again, and evaluating the development of each position, I'll highlight each positional grouping, starting with the defense.

Defensive Line
Draft possibilities: NT Dontari Poe, NT Michael Brockers, NT Devon Still

Easily the group called into question most often by draft pundits. ESPN's Mel Kiper's first mock draft had the Steelers taking a nose tackle at 24. That's not a bad call, considering veteran Casey Hampton blew his knee out in the Steelers playoff game, and is scheduled to make $7 million next year.

Odds are very good 2011 was Hampton's last year as a Steeler. The team will almost certainly ask him to take a paycut to remain with the team, and Hampton isn't likely to agree to it, considering he could still get relatively close to that $7 million next year (the last of the three year deal he signed before the 2010 season) somewhere else. That decision, though, gets a bit murkier considering Hampton's long-standing back-up Chris Hoke had neck surgery this season. Going into the year with Steve McLendon (not the run-stopper Hampton is) and no back-up is a risky proposition. They are going to want a veteran to at least back McLendon up.

The likely retirement of Aaron Smith will officially make Ziggy Hood the starter, although he's basically started the last two seasons. Hood struggled in parts of the season, and he will need to improve if the Steelers are to remain a top-flight defensive team. Brett Keisel had a Pro Bowl level season, and will be the anchor of the line.

Heyward is still raw, and is learning his position, but his improvement from his first snap of the season to the last was outstanding. He will likely fill Hood's back-up role in 2012.

Nose tackle will be labeled a position of need in this draft, and very well could be the direction the Steelers go at 24.

Linebacker
Draft Possibilities: ILB Vontaze Burfict, ILB Dont'a Hightower, OLB Courtney Upshaw

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin was reportedly riding OLB Jason Worilds from the first whistle of training camp. Tomlin knew with veteran James Harrison's offseason back surgery, Worilds would need to improve immediately due to the likelihood of seeing significant action in 2011. Turns out, Harrison's eye and Woodley's hamstring led to much more of that than anyone expected. Worilds did not sell anyone on the idea he's the next great Steelers outside linebacker. He struggled greatly against the run, and didn't play with the strength one would expect from his 260-pound frame. He was something of a project when the Steelers chose him in the second round of 2011, and he'll use the experience he gained this season to improve.

That doesn't mean another outside linebacker won't be added. It seems likely, in fact. Undersized high-motor Chris Carter looked lost in the few snaps he had last year, and probably has the biggest project tag on him on the team.

Harrison's contract is big, as is Woodley's, but considering Harrison will be 35 at the start of training camp in 2013, the Steelers need to look at another viable option who'd be ready to play at a high level after the 2012 season. It very well could be Worilds, but the Steelers wouldn't be comfortable with a rookie as the primary back-up to its most important defensive position.

Future troubles exist at inside linebacker as well. Despite most people's calls for James Farrior's ouster, his contract makes him difficult to cut. His leadership trumps any declining skill he may be experiencing, and the only option to play his position would be back-up Larry Foote, another player many are calling to be released. Farrior's mack position in this defense is akin to the quarterback on offense. Simply put, a rookie cannot play that position.

It would be wise for the Steelers to address this position with a high pick. ILB Lawrence Timmons failed to turn many heads in the first year of his six-year contract extension signed this off-season. They've never tried him at the mack, and his athleticism makes him a better fit for the buck anyway.

Cornerback
Draft Possibilities: Stephon Gilmore, Janoris Jenkins, Alphonso Dennard

Rookie CB Cortez Allen beat out second-year man Crezdon Butler for a roster spot in training camp, an eye-opening move at the time. Allen played well in spot duty in 2011, and it appears all the mid-level picks invested at the cornerback position in recent years are beginning to pay off. William Gay eventually replaced veteran Bryant McFadden at the cornerback spot opposite Ike Taylor, and Keenan Lewis was the third corner, and covered outside in the Steelers' nickel package as Gay moved inside.

The question this off-season will be whether to sign Gay, an unrestricted free agent, to a long-term deal. Odds say no, considering the Steelers' perilous cap position and the recent investment in youth at the position. Veteran defensive backs have great value in the league though, and McFadden isn't expected to be back. Rookie Curtis Brown saw extensive time on special teams, and his development as a corner could help the Steelers make that decision.

Safety
Draft Possibilities: SS Mark Barron

Unfortunately, it's not a great draft for Day 1 safeties. While it doesn't seem the first pick will go in that direction, it wouldn't be a surprise if the Steelers looked for an heir-apparent to either SS Troy Polamalu or FS Ryan Clark. Perhaps more to the point, they'd look for another Ryan Mundy sort of player; a guy who could play either the strong or free safety position.

Polamalu is still the best in the business, but still has the lingering health concerns affecting his future status. He just signed a five-year contract extension before the 2011 season, so injured or not, Polamalu isn't going anywhere.

Obviously, that's a great thing for the Steelers. They do need to begin looking at some future help at the position, however. Veteran Will Allen was brought in mainly for special teams, and the emergence of Curtis Brown as the team's punt gunner, Allen may be cut this off-season.

Main back-up Ryan Mundy forced two fumbles in Pittsburgh's playoff loss, and showed glimpses this season of a capable starter.

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Brockers and Still

Both of these guys are roughly 310lbs, do you see them playing NT or at the 5T (assuming Hood doesn’t pan out). Both are beasts and Brockers’ upside is insane

by YoungMon3y on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

On top of that

Brockers doesn’t have great strength and Still isn’t great against double teams

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Brockers has the same kind of style as McLendon. Not overly big, but quick. I think that serves more as an advantage at the nose because centers are typically built that way as well.

5-techs in this defense, though, are going up against tackles, and those guys are almost always at least 320 nowadays. Quicker defense ends would be better suited in a 4-3. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of the Steelers looking for some personnel to fit that kind of a scheme, but I don’t think Brockers would be it right now.

At the same time, why not draft him and give him tastes of both? That’s what they’re doing with Heyward. Besides, you don’t have to be in a team’s base defensive package to play very well in sigificant snaps anymore. Talent is talent, especially along the defensive line.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sylvester seems to get no love

here at BTSC. Is there a consensus that he is not starter material. I thought he looked decent in preseason. Great motor and finishes plays.

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by madanthonywayne on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Sylvester is a not go right now

he look at lost and tentative in the New England game. He was getting mad love before until we saw him in a regular season game.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm hoping he can progress.

He would add some much needed speed at ILB.

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"Most of the time, the most physical team has a chance to win. That is not a reality we shy away from." --Mike Tomlin

by madanthonywayne on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I hope that he will spend a lot of time in the film room during the off season and do a lot of conferring with Farrior and LeBeau. Personally I would suggest cutting Farrior as soon as it is conducive to our Cap situation.

by Allen F on Jan 20, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We are on the same wavelength

Farrior isn’t going to get any better, cut our loses now.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a consensus that he is not starter material.

Sylvester started one game, vs. New England. He was pulled after 12 plays, and Polamalu essentially played ILB the remainder of the game.

Sylvester wasn’t injured. To me, that’s evidence suggesting the Start Sylvester Campaign is out of gas.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

OL Hello!!

I am quite shocked that you don’t address the OL here…the team can win with subtle changes on the D, but the need for help on the OL is the biggest concern for me. You can get a NT later in rounds 2 or 3 but you can’t get a Faneca type guard that late. That is the pressing need right now, protect Ben and get some holes opened up on the left side of the line for the runners.

by ColinP on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

o-line

I suspect the o-line will be covered when Neil covers the offence. This article was just about the defensive side of the ball.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 20, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree to Disagree
His leadership trumps any declining skill he may be experiencing

Disagree on all accounts. Farrior is a liability at this point in his career. His numbers are declining and he is invisible on the field. He needs to be replace immediately. Move Timmons to the Mack and draft someone to the buck. I honestly think Timmons is better suited for the Mack. The buck is suppose to the one that takes on blockers and defend the run game, timmons isn’t that guy, he is the athletic, faster, play making type ILB like farrior. We need a guy who is a buck but is also athletic enough to stay with TEs and RBs in the passing game (Burfict).

Agree on the nose tackle position. Which makes me believe we need need to trade up to get a quality guy. I think we need starters at ILB, NT, G in this year’s draft. If we can’t trade down in the first, we should trade into the 2nd round or 3rd round so we can get quality guys.

1.24 Ronnell Lewis OLB/ILB Oklahoma
I know I change this pick almost every time I do one. But after thinking about things, we’ll need someone bigger than Zach Brown to play at ILB. Ronnell is that perfect blend of size and speed. At 6’2 245lbs and a 4.5 40 time Lewis has the tools to play OLB or ILB in this system. Hopefully we won’t need him at OLB for some time since I’m banking that Worilds will get stronger and improve his technique enough to start when Harrison is done.

2.24 Alameda Ta’amu NT Washington
Ta’amu stock as fallen greatly but is a good value pick right here. He will have to improve on his technique and strength but anyone who suggested we could get Ta’amu in the second round before this season started would have been called crazy. He has the tools to replace Hampton.

3.7 Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin
Kevin will not last til 3.24. So I propose we swap picks in the 3rd round with the Jacksonville Jaguars and give them our 5th and 7th round picks, that leaves a difference of about 49 points on the draft chart which I think is close enough. Zeitler here is self explanatory, he will start immediately at RG and be effective. If Colon and Starks come back healthy we can move Gilbert to LG and have a solid line.

4.24 Lonnie Edwards G Texas Tech
I’m double dipping at the guard position. Worst case Scenario is that Starks nor Colon will come back healthy and in that case Gilbert would have to move to LT, and I believe we would move foster out to RT, the position he played in college. We would need a solid guard that could have a change to come in and play right away. There are about 7-8 guard in this draft that can come in and play at the NFL level, and I feel that one of the better ones will fall in the draft but I went safe here and picked Lonnie Edwards who had a good year this year and I believe can boost our line play.

6.24 JR Sweezy DT/DE NC State
Sweezy has a lot of tools to be a starting DE for the Steelers. He is 6-5 295lbs and runs a 4.8s 40. He is more athletic than you would think and was really effective for NC State this year. He has a high motor and although he was discipline for a weed incident, it was only once and he hasn’t caused any trouble after that. NC State defense suffered without him, when he came back from the foot injury the defense flourished. I love his size and height, he has the ability to add muscle to his frame without losing any speed. He could be 6’5 310 and still fly around. This guy in a NFL weight training program could be another Brett Keisel.

7 Compensatory Pick Blair Walsh K Georgia
Steelers should get the best kicker available, work him to see how he kicks in hinez field and draft him.

7 compensatory pick Ryan Houston FB North Carolina
With BA gone I will pick a FB here, you just never know, Houston was a load at UNC and a decent blocker.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

As much as I like and admire Farrior...

…I would have to disagree that –

His leadership trumps any declining skill he may be experiencing

Too many times we’ve seen Farrior too slow to cover a receiver, or to run down a receiver after a catch. The SF game was particularly painful to watch Farrior trailing Vernon Davis (mis-match or no, he looked like someone’s little brother getting left behind as the big boys’ ditched him).

The only way I see him remaining, is if he takes vet minimum, and accepts back-up role to lowest ranked starting ILB; he would still have a lot to contribute, but only mentally, from the sidelines. I doubt he would want that however. Another tough decision.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way I see him remaining, is if he takes vet minimum, and accepts back-up role to lowest ranked starting ILB;

We don’t HAVE a starting Mack ILB! We aren’t going to get one in the draft, either! The position is way too complicated, and there’s too much a player needs to know.

Farrior being locked in coverage on Vernon Davis is a mistake. ANY LB being locked into coverage on Vernon Davis is a mistake. He blew past a safety against the Giants.

I’m not against drafting an ILB very high this year, but rest assured, Farrior will be on this team, and he will start next year.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Given Farriors declining athletic skillls then...

…how would you play him? I’m no expert, or experienced in any way in his position (took the sissy route and played rugby instead / lol). How do we keep his knowledge and skill sets on the field, without creating a weakness?

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 24, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ronnell Lewis at 24 is a stretch

I like the idea of making him a 3-4 ILB but he is expected to be draft in the second round around the first 15 picks. Taking him at 24 would be a real stretch rather have us trade down with some one who want a guy like Tannehill or Folks then takes Lewis if following this model.

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Trading down is fine with me also

Just didn’t know who would want to trade up with us so I did the next best thing.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Redskins?

could see Lewis still there in the 6 pick of the second round and could see the ’Skins trading up for Tanehill.

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

Redskins it is, I’d love to go that route but we have never traded the 1st round pick under Colbert

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Love drafting a kicker

But I’m not entirely sure Blair Walsh is the guy I want. He’s got all the talent in the world, but after a disastrous senior year (21/35 on FG this year) I’m pretty nervous about his confidence. If you can rebuild it, he’s by far the best kicker in the draft. If that could be done, however, things would be very different. Confidence is everything for kickers, even more important than natural talent I would say. I know you can coach confidence, but that’s what we said about Limas Sweed too.

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by glass0941 on Jan 20, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Great points

But as far as this draft goes, he is the best. Bring him in and work him out then make the call.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Talent wise, you're right

And if they straighten him out, he’s a top 10 NFL kicker. Although once you get to round 7, it’s all stabs in the dark anyway, especially with comp picks. What the hell, why not right?

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by glass0941 on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s got all the talent in the world, but after a disastrous senior year (21/35 on FG this year)

If he’s got all the talent in the world, how is he making 66 percent of his kicks? No thanks. We don’t have to draft guys who miss one out of three. They’re all over the waiver wire, and on our roster.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming Keisel returns and is a starter

I wonder if Heyward will get a chance to battle Ziggy for the other starting spot? He certainly looked better in limited doses than Ziggy has and maybe a little competition is just what he needs.

by average joe blow on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

You left out

The Washington NT, and he could fit into poosibly if lucky our second pick… Id take Still, but would be perfectly satisfied with the AZ st. linebacker whom has potential to be a cover ILB… be interesting to see how the draft unfolds, we could just as easily go OT if our guys arent there…
My vote goes to release Farrior…he really both lost a step this year, and on countless occasions was over powered at the point of attack in the running game…

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Burfict

They say he’s got all the attitude, passion and aggressiveness of a dominant Mike, but he’s not the greatest athlete, and he has a tendency to pick up or come very close to picking up post-whistle flags. Definitely not something the Steelers would draft with their first pick.

It may be nothing, but it’s something they’re going to look into quite heavily.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the good thoughts, Neal. I like the Mark Barron pick at safety. He was near top 15 in mocks a month ago.

Neal points out that the Steelers won’t reach for a player to fill the guard need. We need our first rounder to have an impact career. especially drafting “all the way up” at 24. Barron is a stud athlete who can run with the Gronkolwski’s and Graham’s and tackle them also. After Claiborne, he is my favorite DB. He would get playing time against the big name TE’s quickly. I have been surprised by Mundy’s improvement, but we need a bigtime athlete in the middle of the field.

by buddydial on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I think you’ll start to see him creep up draft boards due to the things you mentioned. TEs are just too vital a component in the top offenses in the game. Teams in the AFC East and the NFC South gotta be able to cover some pretty damn good receivers who play on the line of scrimmage. Can’t do that with corners.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts

I’m a big Stephon Gilmore fan because his run defense is NFL ready. (Disclaimer: I am a Univ. of SC fan as well). He has been excellent the last two years against the run, and while his cover skills aren’t necessarily elite, they’re much better than he gets credit for from Gamecock fans. He saw a TON of man coverage this year and got beat alot by some excellent receivers (ECU’s Lance Lewis is one that doesn’t get much love). I’ve seen places that have him sneaking into round 1, but I don’t know about that. I think he should be available early-mid round 2, but we will probably have to move up to get him. Is it worth it? Well, that’s always the question. The answer is always the same: What does it take?

In terms of first round picks… oh boy. I see a lot of areas of need on this team, both offensively and defensively, and it sort of makes me panicky when I think about them (I need to get out more). That being said, since this is a post about drafting for defense, I’ll limit myself to my defensive opinions.

Round 1:
If Vontaze Burfict is available, he’s probably my pick at this point. I’m not so concerned about Timmons’ performance this year, because of how much he was moved around this year, between the outside and inside. I’m not so sure about Sylvester at this point (who on the board is right?), and I think that Farrior is further over the hill than I want a defensive starter to be. I understand the argument regarding his leadership, but I hate the idea of keeping an aging veteran on the field because of intangibles if can’t meet the standard.

If Burfict isn’t available, which is certainly a possibility, Dontari Poe would be my next pick. If you haven’t heard the rumor, Casey Hampton is old, coming off injury, and expensive. Nasty combination. Poe would fill a big need, and Steve McClendon could probably (probably) hold down the fort a year or two if we need to wait on him. Really though, I don’t know that will be necessary.

I feel like the need at safety is far enough away that they won’t place an immediate priority on it, because they have other needs that have to be filled within the next few years for this to remain a playoff team. I think fourth round would be a decent place if you get the right value (duh). Call me a homer, but Antonio Allen is a mid round pick who has a decent future.

OLB is a position that makes my head spin on this roster. Woodley is set for a while, but James Harrison is 33, and not getting any younger. Jason Worilds looked like a stout run defender in his time on the field and there really isn’t much positional depth there outside of him. I’m starting to wonder if this won’t be a second round pick, as I feel the Steelers are very confident in their corners (thank you Carnell Lake.) Because I’ve given you a name on every other position, I feel obligated to do the same. I’m going back and forth on whether Andre Branch will be available late 2nd round (my gut says why bother, no), and same goes for Ronnell Lewis because of how much time he missed. I’m having a hard time finding someone to fit at round 2, pick 24.

Too long?

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by glass0941 on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

As a SC fan, would you like it if we somehow picked up Melvin Ingram (ya know, BPA and all that)?

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 20, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Very much so

With all assumptions that he’s the BPA and all, I would. He is versatile, athletic, high character, and gets after the passer very well. If he were the 1st round pick, I’d be pleased. I don’t think he’s available then because of how valuable pass rushers have become recently, but I think he’s a good fit at OLB. He moved back and forth between DT and DE this season on an extremely talented d-line this season. He’s big enough to play the run, quick and instinctual enough to rush the passer. I’d be a fan.

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by glass0941 on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to know.

He’s been my favorite college football player for a while now and it would make my year if we could somehow get him, although at this point that is pretty doubtful what with our NT/ILB/G needs. Oh well.

Side note: how the hell, at 276lbs (if not more), is he so athletic? Watching him return that fake punt against Georgia for a touchdown was like watching a gazelle run through a prairie.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 20, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually at that game

No one in the stadium saw it coming. He’s a former TE in HS, so he’s not totally lost with a ball in his hands, but I was blown away by his speed and quickness on that play.

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Perspectives become reality.
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by glass0941 on Jan 20, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

As a SC fan, would you like it if we somehow picked up Melvin Ingram (ya know, BPA and all that)?

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 20, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

oops double post

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Jan 20, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Well I couldn’t quite tell when I posted the reply on the page, so I figured I’d just wing it.

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by glass0941 on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

never too long

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by Riddlah. on Jan 21, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the argument regarding his leadership, but I hate the idea of keeping an aging veteran on the field because of intangibles if can’t meet the standard.

I should have been more blunt with this. Farrior will start because we don’t have anyone else. No one can match his experience, and frankly, I don’t see anyone behind him who has any more physical skill, either. There’s no way a rookie is going to start at that position, we have no cap room for a free agent who can claim the experience Farrior has in that defense.

Simply, we’re stuck with him. I don’t see that as a really negative thing, though. He’s the captain of the best scoring defense in football, and is known as a very strict diet kind of guy who works out religiously.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah
Farrior will start because we don’t have anyone else.

That I agree with. Long term though, they need to get his replacement. And soon, because I don’t think he’s already on their roster.

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by glass0941 on Jan 30, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

i think you have 'mack' LB and 'buck' LB confused

the Buck usually fills gaps in the run game, and the Mack can seek and destroy. thats what Timmons does best, not taking on linemen. this is why i feel Dont’a Hightower would be a great pick, because he is much more stout in the run game and is built to take on blockers.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 22, 2012 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

There are those pieces of it, yes, but the Mack is the one who sets everything up. The Buck position requires far less thought, and has less angle responsibility. The Buck gets to the hole, but the Mack has to be the one to identify where the play is going, so he can make sure the tackle is made. He’s the QB of the defense.

But yes, Hightower would be a phenomenal pick. I’d be shocked if he fell to 24, though, and it’d take quite a bit to get up high enough to get him.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hightower is 6'4'', 260 lbs. coming out of college ...

Where is he going to be in 4 years when it is time to do an extension – 6’4, 280 lbs? I doubt that he will weigh the same. Still give me a ILB in this 3-4 that play all 3 downs and be able to cover RB’s and TE’s in coverage. If we don’t have that, then we will never beat Baltimore going fwd.

by datruth4life2.0 on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

How many Mikes or ILBs do you see continuously able to cover RBs or TEs? Willis? Not sure of any others. That’s really hard to find, and we’ve beaten Baltimore before while surrendering lots of yards to Ray Rice and/or Todd Heap.

However, I see your point, and I think that’s an argument for an athletic, larger safety. Barron’s the best prospect, but he’s not going to excel in coverage, I don’t think. He’s someone the Steelers will definitely keep an eye on though.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

fitting our mold/defense

I posted this on another blog about the top three and feel Keuchly fits the mold a little better.

Not sure why this kid is being overlooked, but he is ranked #1 at ILB and is a pure tackling machine.

Since the top 3 are coming out are JRs, I will post their Jr and Soph. seasons.

Luke Kuechly, Boston College,
Jr. Season
Tackes Asst Total
102 89 191
Soph Season
110 73 183

Donta Hightower, Alabama
Jr. Season
Tackles Asst Total
41 33 85
Soph Season
30 39 69

Vontaze Burfict, Arizona St.
Jr. Season
Tackles Asst Total
40 29 69
Soph. Season
54 36 90

Kuechly was number 1 in the nation in tackles as a junior and had more tackles in his sophmore season than Burfict or Hightower had in both of their Jr. and Soph. seasons.

as far as size and speed……..
He isnt that slow and is listed at 4.8 in the 40. Hightower 4.7, Burfict 4.6. That isnt that much difference, not like a half to a full second.
Size; Keuchly ; 6’2" 237, Hightower; 6’4" 260, Burfict; 6’3" 250.

Our guys; Timmons is 6 ft, 234, Farrior 6 ft 2 in, 243, and Foote 6" 1" 240, Woodley 6’ 2" 256.

Timmons was at a 4.6 in the 40, Woodley 4.7 and not sure of the others.

Can any one of these guys fit our system? Maybe, maybe not. I think so, for any one of them, and I just dont think you can deny two years from Kuechly with over 180 tackles That is downright impressive.

by lamberts58 on Jan 28, 2012 1:28 AM EST reply actions  


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