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Bruce Arians Retires as Steelers Offensive Coordinator

The Steelers have just announced that Bruce Arians, offensive coordinator for the past five years, has retired. Mike Tomlin's quote: "I am grateful to Bruce for contributing to our success and wish him nothing but the best in his retirement. I appreciate Bruce's efforts over the past five years as the team's OC and for helping to lead our offense to new heights during his time."

Well, have at it Steeler Nation. Many of you got what you wished for. Now what? Let the banter begin!

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

lol

exactly if the next offensive coordinator can keep the yardage the same and improve the redzone scoring then this is a good move.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We won't know until it happens

I’m indifferent right now

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

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- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Jan 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Me too

To be fair, Bruce turned our offense into a high octane machine for a few years there, where Ben was averaging 250+ yards per game. However when our OLine deteriorated he stuck with the same long developing plays rather than working with what we had.

I am excited to see a brand new offense (hopefully) next season, but also wary that this retirement does not automatically make our offense better

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for the service

You aren’t as bad as many people here believe you to be, but hopefully we get someone in the position who is an improvement. With the weapons we have, we should be a top 5-10 offense.

Also, one last bubble screen salute to a great man, who hated the full back position.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

hahaha. him and that predictable playcalling..

by Matt Cain on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Rec'd

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice

That was my main objection to Arians- too predictable, and while he wasn’t bad per se, he didn’t get the most out of the talent they had.

Draft some guards, diversify the play-calling, and dominate!

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

First off...

Best wishes to Bruce as he starts his retired life. Hope the links treat him well and the sand monsters don’t bite too hard.

That said, I really feel it was time. I said it in PaVa’s thread; I just don’t feel Bruce ever tailored his schemes to his o-line’s abilities. I personally hope Sean Kugler is named next OC but, by all accounts, it sounds like they will hire outside. Shine on…

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by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I'm no Bruce fan,

But don’t expect the new OC to suddenly turn this into a top 3 offense. The pieces on the O-line simply aren’t there.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

We went 12-4 with a peice-mail line

Sure the pieces aren’t there if they are healthy? Could it be shored up with 1 pick in the draft? I don’t think the O line is a bad as most think, injuries had a lot to do with success there.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

Only exception is Kemo…he has to go…. biggest concern is the salary cap problems related to signing, and signed contracts…

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The o-line

Is weakest at the guard spots. Guard is a position where a good rookie can make an impact, and this is a deep draft for interior lineman.

The 0-line wasn’t terrible, but they were pretty mediocre, and decimated by injuries. As a result, the performance was poor. I don’t expect it to turn into a top-3 offense either, but with better guards, they will be able to run the ball more effectively, and protect their franchise player.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You can scheme around a bad O-line,

which Arians simply failed to do for more than a game at a time.

And an OC who wants to win more than he wants to be Ben’s buddy might explain to him that it’s legal to throw the ball to a running back when the pocket breaks down.

by Desroko on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Could be true, we have no idea because we have a new guy get hurt every week.
In years past Ben defied the odds by playing through his injuries, but this year he just got hit too much.
It makes me sick to see Brady standing in the pocket patting the ball calmly and looking around for 5 seconds

by jedmiller71 on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Todd Haley

Thanks for your time over the years Bruce. Won two Super Bowls and Ben is one of the best QBs in the league. now its time we go after a big name who can run an offense. Todd Haley would be my choice

by Matt Cain on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I am down with Haley or H. Jackson...

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Just looking at Haley on Wikipedia

What has he done so special in his career? 1 great year in 08- 09? And that was with Warner-Fitzgerald-Boldin.
Can somebody explain this to me?

by jedmiller71 on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah,

Warner got bumped on the head in just the right way to make him think it was still 2001.

by Desroko on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on who you give credit for what

do you think our offense produced on par with the talent level? We did go to a couple of Super Bowls and playoffs with Arians, but I would argue that it was in spite of his play calling rather than due to his play calling.

I would argue that the offense we fielded this year was the most talent laden we have ever had, we didn’t put up numbers to represent that though.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Haley is given a ton of credit for what Arizona did for a couple years

Despite his fiery demeanor he worked very well with Warner and Warner has acknowledged that Haley was a big reason for their sucess.

by average joe blow on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Warner is also an extremely kind guy

I’ve never seen him say much of a crossword on anyone.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

His offense in KC was pretty nice too until he lost all the players at key positions.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Partly true. They had a cakewalk schedule and got destroyed at home in the first round.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Chan Gailey was calling the plays for the beginning of the season.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not forget that Warner is a completely different player than Ben ...

He was a statue back there, but one who could throw accurate strikes if given the time. BR is much more of an improvisational player who isn’t quite as good pre-snap.

by Tequila0341 on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely no way in hell

I will be beyond pissed if they bring him in. All his players have hated him on every team he’s been on, and he left Kansas City telling the media he thought his phone calls were bugged.

Don’t want anything to do with a guy like that…

by Neal Coolong on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with this. No Haley! He would not be good.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

100% agree.

I’ve never liked Haley, and his demeanor and his social skills leave something to be desired. We don’t want players like Plaxico, Santonio, etc. etc. here, but we’d take a coordinator in like that?

C’mon, folks. Think a little. Haley is a sour apple.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I was really hoping to pick up Norv Turner in the offseason

Now I guess there will be a whole process, I would like to see an established offensive mind at work here. I think if anyone can get Ben to start thinking about taking less sacks it would be Haley, we shall see. I really don’t want someone already on staff simply because it may be a copy of what we currently run.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Isn't it well known that Haley is a dick?

And not much of a player’s coach? I can’t see Tomlin going for him.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that is why he will be able to stand up to Ben and curtail some of the boneheaded stuff

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

or, it causes a huge rift in the locker room, and our offense gets even worse. If Ben was a rookie or in his first 3 years, yes. He’s a two time champion, and elite QB in the NFL, you don’t bring in some asshole that’s going to treat everyone like children

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see it going either way

They don’t necessarily need Haley (bad personality, AND not that great of a coach, with one season as the exception.)

However, they DO need a strong personality to tell Mr. “I’m gonna chuck it into triple coverage 40 yards downfield” what a checkdown is, and force him to do it from time to time.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh....no.

Yes, that is why he will be able to stand up to Ben and curtail some of the boneheaded stuff

No, no, no. Quadruple no.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

was about to say that

I’ve heard he’s a massive douche. Not sure we want him.

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by count'em_six on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't afan or a hater . . .

but it was time. Let’s hope this is a move forward and not a move backwards!

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by madanthonywayne on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Not a fan of Haley.

Caldwell intrigues me.

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"Most of the time, the most physical team has a chance to win. That is not a reality we shy away from." --Mike Tomlin

by madanthonywayne on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Caldwell is a really intriguing guy. Look at what he did with Peyton over the years in Indy. He helped Jim become the greatest QB of.our time, well before the neck thing .

by Matt Cain on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Actually

Bruce Arians was Peyton Manning’s first QB coach!

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a big difference

between recognizing when someone is bad at their job, and thinking that you can do it yourself.

by Desroko on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Otherwise, pretty much every person in the NFL should be running for president.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

NFL?

I meant US

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I would vote for you under that campaign Michael!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I think the fullback is overrated. However, if you are going to employ 348 tight ends, you might as well utilize them in the passing game from time to time, no?

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, unless that tight end is David Johnson. We only have three though.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

by Blackadar on Jan 20, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well hell!

No bubble screen? What play are you going to dial up when we need -2 yards then???

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Easy -

shovel pass to Hines Ward. It gets a bonus extra -1 yard.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 21, 2012 4:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh you’re right. Shovel pass to anyone generally picks up those tough to get negative yards. I’d be ok if BA took both of those little gems with him when he cleaned out his office.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 21, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Trying to imagine what those would say...

Skills: Drinking copiously, throwing sh#t at the tv, telling Phil Simms he is full of crap, verbally abusing Arians, Kemo, and Gay, and yelling “DEEEEEEBOOO!!!!!” every time #92 knocked the snot out of someone. Also, some word processing, and general computer usage.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

See yaaaaaaa

Absolutely no excuse for the talent on this offense to be ranked 21st in scoring. I’m just glad that we hopefully won’t see 20 bubble screens that go for a total of 8 yards. It’s amazing how someone can be so in love with such an ineffective play and he keeps calling it.

I would like to see Tom Clements be the replacement. I don’t see Haley coming here with his attitude.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

+1

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!!

I have been very critical of Arians by yelling at my TV. He has been a horrible OC.

by cdctrumpet on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

and its plainly worked!

might have been a sustained, collective effort though.

by SteelersVT on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Fichtner

It wouldn’t surprise me to see Tomlin to keep continuity on the staff and promote Fichtner to OC.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

+7

Stability is the critical element to continued success.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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by ekl on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

How 'bout Mike Martz?

Let’s get him out of retirement after just a couple weeks….ay?

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by count'em_six on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I hope you’re joking. You think Ben gets hit a lot now?

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. Good quote.

Problem was, cries for Arians job happened when we won games AND made trips to the Super Bowl. Says something, I’d say.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 20, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I think Chuck Noll said it before Holtz.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 20, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Not thrilled about this move

I don’t like changing things up when Ben is really entering his prime. What if this screws him up?

I am not thrilled about hiring an outside guy. Walton, Gilbride and Sherman were total failures in Pittsburgh. Martz – no way. Haley is too much of a hot head. Clements is the only outside guy I would consider. I think they should promote from within if they can’t get him, and that is what I expect them to do.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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by ekl on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think there is a better chance of improving Ben by changing game plans to adapt to situations.

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by Han on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it isn't really a move, the man retired.

With Ben moving into his prime it is time he learned how to throw the ball away, not learning that could cost him his career, he isn’t getting faster or more elusive, he has to learn to be smarter with the ball – for his own good. That will be best accomplished by someone who isn’t a yes man.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Rooney gave him an ultimatum.

Retiring was the honourable out

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by steelerstyle on Jan 20, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

do you have a source for that statement?

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Rob Lowe

Although, it seems a reasonable explanation under the circumstances. It’s what I was hoping would happen. Arians wasn’t terribly, but I also don’t think he was especially good or effective at adapting when the situation called for it.

Doing the same thing that isn’t working over and over and over again and expecting different results? I believe it’s called insanity.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying it’s not likely, or not true, but when you make a statement like that and pass it as fact, you should back it up.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you implying that Rob Lowe

is NOT a major source of valid news?

He’s like the Walter Cronkite of coke benders…

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I would never do that. In Lowe I trust. Especially for my all my NFL inside information needs.
My only regret is that I can’t get more information from him.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"What if it screws him (Ben) up?"

Ben is already screwed up. He holds the ball too damn long, and his head is too damn thick.

The Rooneys have a hundred million dollar investment in Ben, and they’ve had it with his injuries and his enabler Arians.

Everyone else on the Steelers subjugates their egos to the good of the team. Ben is a gamer and a proud warrior, and no one questions his dedication and courage. But, as Homer just said, he holds the ball too damn long. That’s going to stop, and the retirement of his pal is step one on the road to extending Ben’s career.

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by Homer J. on Jan 20, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You may be right.

He probably is already screwed up. I just remember Sherman and Gilbride and shiver. hopefully it will finally make Ben grow up the rest of the way. he better if he wants some more Champiinships.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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by ekl on Jan 20, 2012 8:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry championships

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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by ekl on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry championships

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin

by ekl on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ha

I feel exactly the opposite. I think that with him in his prime it’s a great time to inject a new philosophy to see what he really can do. We know what we are going to get out of BA…lets see what something new can bring.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If it screws Ben up, he's way too fragile and I don't want him as my QB.

He’s not fragile, and he won’t be screwed up. I say good move, long past due.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 20, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a positive, not a negative

Unless the new OC lets Ben does what he wants too. Ben needs to learn to throw the ball away. Not always look for the deep throw. Take what the D gives you, ( short passes, check offs,, TE’s). Be more of a Prepared, study game tape, etc. Be less arrogant. Have a good OC reign this in and he will come into his own even more.

by lamberts58 on Jan 22, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

To those stating “Good riddance, etc.”..What are you, a fool? Like it or not the guy’s offense led us to a couple of SB appearances, despite most of the offense being improvised by Ben. Second, gotta think Tom Clements could be a candidate, right? Don’t think it will be Fichtner.

The Steelers offensive line is in desperate need of immediate help. This team is a SB contender next season, no doubt. Our CB position WILL be better next year.

by WVUColumbus on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

So you give credit to BA for SB appearances, but no love for the o line that basically managed 12-4 from the training room table?

no need for name calling, especially when you contradict yourself

Like it or not the guy’s offense led us to a couple of SB appearances, despite most of the offense being improvised by Ben
– doesn’t exactly make a strong point.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So it was the offense that lead us to those SBs and not the defense?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

BA took an offense in 2007 that was ready to go from a previous administration. And JUST beat a questionable Arizona team thanks to a 1 in a million play.

His next foray in the SuperBowl was even worse.

by 21in69 on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

"And beat Arizona thanks to a 1 in a million play."

The game was so legendary that I don’t even know which play you are talking about.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

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by showtime on Jan 20, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

there were several one in a million plays in that game that lead to us winning, which is more than enough reasons why you can point the finger at BA

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Your logic is all over the place.

And as someone who wanted Arians to be gone, I’m neither a fool nor a wise sage. Merely someone with an opinion.

But at least my opinion was based on pretty solid logical thought. Not saying it was correct, but my argument wasn’t contradictory.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 20, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's be careful of what we wish for...

…for it has been known to come back to bite us.

This article in the Post-Gazette does highlight the poor track record the Steelers have in hiring outside OC’s.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12020/1204704-66.stm

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

But those coordinators didn’t have a top 5 QB to work with either. The quality of ingredients goes a long way in determining the final outcome of the meal.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

tell me about it man

i made some cereal with spoiled milk and was sick for the rest of the night

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

laugh away lol its hilarous

I was eating it like, this taste funny kinda like cardboard but I kept on eating it and I couldn’t put my finger on it. lol it wasn’t until after I finished like two bowls and smelled the milk was like oh thats what it is.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest....

i laughed anyway. Especially after reading your explanation, because that sounds exactly like something I would do.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

so

is Bubby Brister or Kordell Stewart the spoiled milk?

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

it wasnt suppose to be that deep

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

it wasnt suppose to be that deep

TWSS

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Good bye and thanks Bruce

I think my new big screen may have a betetr chance surviving next season, after nearly being destroyed by a beer bottle during the last playoff game

by BlackandGoldTSgt on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Strike Up The Band!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUabzkAjBQ

Steve Sarkasian?
Todd Haley?

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by 5020 on Jan 20, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

There is a Kardashian in Football? Yeah! ;-)

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for your efforts Mr. Arians

Personally, I dont want anyones cast off as our new OC …. Id much rather take a college head coach… 1st it gives Tomlin a bit more control and brings fresh idea’s into the fold…and also more likely to not have the job turn over…
I can think of one great fit whom has brought the Rose Bowl title to Oregon for the first time in 85yrs, and who’s offensive game plan has had Oregon’s offense rated #1 the last 2 or 3 yrs…

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Fabulous Idea

I just want someone who isn’t going to let Ben walk all over them. Ben is very talented, but needs more structure.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well......he's a hard case disaplinarian, and fitness maniac.

you can bet there wont be any OLmen coming in 100# over weight

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Chip Kelly

Would never, ever leave Oregon for a coordinator position in the NFL. That’s one of the top 5 jobs in college football with the full force of Nike powering it along. No chance.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose

that depends on if he has eventual aspiration to be an NFL head coach… He would be my first pick

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Never going to happen

I think Chip is a great coach but he will never be an OC for the Steelers or likely any NFL team. His fast-break, spread option offense is not suitable to most NFL rosters nor 99.5% of NFL QBs. The only team in the NFL who would possibly entertain the idea of this offense is Denver with Tebow. They would then need 2 more guys like Dixon added to the roster. They will likely try to shift their offense to more of a pro-style attack with Tebow being tutored in the off season.

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by franz on Jan 20, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a pretty

narrow view of what his potential is in the next level…. he had a stamina program equal to none, has shown the strenght of character to banish his star players, and has shown more offensive insight as a college coach then anyone in the nation.. I think he would make an outstanding OC in the nfl, and for us… what makes you believe he would run the spread option in the pro’s..?… He has run his offense accordingly with the talent he’s been able to recruit…

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the offense he runs is his offense developed over time

He has run the spread option game for years and brought it to Oregon from New Hamphire. Not saying he couldn’t be successful as a pro OC. I am saying, why would he be brought in to a team if not to run his style of offense? He is attractive as an offensive innovator for using his version of the spread option game. To bring him into an NFL team to run a more conventional offense seems strange. Why would any NFL team hire him to run a different system?

Again, I think he is a great coach and have said so for years. Will an NFL team be willing to let him make over an offense more to his style? I’m just not too sure about that. Maybe he goes into the NFL as a head coach but I can’t see him taking a coordinator job when he has a great job at Oregon and gets to do things his way. If he is hired as a HC, then what does he do? Would be very interesting.

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by franz on Jan 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

I see it as a growth step for him… bring a bit of what he’s developed on the college level to a pro set formation… He’s never had a Big Ben to work with etc… I think anyone moving from college to the pro’s realizes the option is not a viable pro offense… Sure would like to see what he could bring to the table… guy also has b***s of steel… I guess its his fresh creative approach-disiplinarian-nerves of steel Ive come to appreciate… certainly also gets the most from the talent he has on the field as well.

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he's a great coach for many reasons

Would be very interesting to see him in the NFL but I just don’t think it will happen, not now anyway. Love what he brings to the table.

Of course, he won’t have the physical advantages over his opponents like he does in college. Teams like Oregon recruit speed athletes and have lots of them on the team. When working with a limited roster, and the fact that their are no differences in admission standards, it makes it harder for him to set up a roster with superior speed.

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by franz on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

"Never" is a big word.

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 20, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 22, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets Hire the Pirate -- Mike Leach

Ben loves to throw, Mike loves his offense to throw — match made in heaven

by Gibz_of_Steel on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft talk just took a big hit

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

He might get the colts job...

but if not Marc Trestman would be fantastic

by Bill Coyne on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for your effort, Bruce

While I certainly didn’t agree with much of the play calling, I’m also painfully aware that us fans only know part of the story. I’m certain you’ve been the recipient of many ill wishes that you didn’t deserve.

Best of luck in the future and I’m looking forward to what the future holds for the Steelers!

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by Cdsumm on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

It is always tough to say how you will feel about something in advance

And I, for one, think I have tried to be measured in my criticism of Arians. Having said that, a smile definitely emerged on my face upon hearing the news. First off, this is not an indictment of BA as a person nor do I wish him ill and instead thank him for his hard work and commitment.

However, there a number of reasons this needed to happen, most of them a retread of what has been said: the offense underperformed, Ben was a bit too chummy with Arians, inability to adapt in games, it is always good to bring in a new perspective, etc. Furthermore, in response to those talking about our past history of choosing OCs, IIRC, this will be Tomlin’s first chance to really cast a wide net and make a coordinator hire. He somewhat inherited both Arians (although the WR coach) and Lebeau in his pragmatic efforts to not impose himself too much. As a result, I am not sure past history can be held against him in choosing a coordinator.

What is more, there needed to be some change/infusion of new blood after last season, and that seemed for awhile like it would only come from a few new players. Perhaps a new coach sees possibilities that Arians had either dismissed offhand or not realized, maybe an unfortunate first impression here or there. Maybe this encourages Tomlin to get more directly involved in formulating an offensive philosophy by at least choosing a coordinator before handing the reins over him. Given much of the criticism of Tomlin’s somewhat poor in-game adjustments, I begin to wonder how much of an active role he plays in this or rather if he just facilitates between coordinators. If so, maybe this encourages him to begin getting more involved. Or maybe not.

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by sctx109 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Why not Brian Billick?

I know he was enemy #1, but that was before he was forced out of coaching and has been rotting as a commentator. His ego is bound to be more under control now.

With the Vikings, was the OC on one of the highest scoring offenses in history, and we have a lot more weapons than he ever had in Baltimore. I would think that he should at least be on the list of potential candidates.

by lkwdsteel on Jan 20, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

not sure

he’d be interested in an OC position, but if was one could interest him certainly would be us

by OR69faithfull on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's actually an extremely intriguing possibility

Billick never got another chance to be an OC after he fell out of favor in Bmore.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

In Billick's own words ...

He is too old and too expensive (he was speaking about the Bucs’ head coaching position, I think).

Billick would only want to come back as a HC, probably with FO responsibilities. Look elsewhere.

by Tequila0341 on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I Like Billick...Good Choice

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by 5020 on Jan 20, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

3 reasons he won't be an OC for the Steelers

1. TV gig – good money, less hours
2. He would want a HC job, not a coordinators job.
3. Big ego and personality with no outlet as an OC.

Think about it, how much face time does a coordinator get relative to a HC or a TV analyst? Plus, why would Tomlin want that distraction? Billick would be needling for the HC job 3 days after getting into town.

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by franz on Jan 20, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If we get ANYONE from PLAYBOOK it would be Brian Baldinger

That finger would COMMAND attention.

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by SteelerMessican on Jan 20, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

At last our national nightmare is over!

I’ll be interested to see who we bring in.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 20, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

No it's not

People will just target the new guy for hate.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the Over/Under....

…on how long it takes posters to start complaining about the new OC next year?

I’m guessing by half-time, 3rd game into the season.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take after the first game

if we don’t score 50 points.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

First drive that fails?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

this

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by stillergorillar on Jan 20, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

sadly you might be right

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

5 words you may never hear.."Bungals win the Super Bowl"

by KySteeler on Jan 20, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it was yesterday
whoever the new OC is

I want to go on record to say I can’t stand him.

by stylepoints on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions

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by alfresco on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

excellent

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize the orginization will want to bring someone in ASAP......

but is there a timeline/deadline for hiring someone? Just curious

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by WVSteel6SB on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

BA

Was like a streaky shooter in basketball.

When he was hot, he could dial plays up with the best of them. When he went cold…CLANG!

I’m just glad that Ben Roethlisberger will get to spend some of his prime with someone different calling the plays. Like I have maintained for quite some time…in life, sometimes change is necessary in order to grow.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Retire > Be Fired

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

He could have been squeezed out

There’s not elling

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see it now.. one of Deebo’s pythons for arms around his neck. “Bruce, listen buddy. I think it’s time… what do you think?” Effectively squeezed out. Buh-bye!

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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 20, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

David Shaw, HC Stanford

Whether you thought BA was a good OC or not, it cannot be argued that the offense has underperformed in his time here. I have no personal feelings toward him and wish him the best but it was time. Anyone who didn’t want change has to realize that he was gonna be gone probably after next season no matter what and besides evreything that is obvious to us, when your boss wants you to do things a certain way and you basically blow him off, his time had come. My choice would be David Shaw from Stanford, if he would leave college for a coordinator position. He was heavily involved with Lucks development and have a very balanced offense considering Luck was by far their most talented player. SF runs the same system with a lot less talent than the Steelers and have become successful very quickly. I think Luck is more like Ben than he is Manning like most comparisons conclude and think he would work extremely well with Ben’s strengths and improve his weaknesses and would be balanced while still having the offense run through Ben. He would be my first interview and I think he would be a great hire for what the Rooneys want as far as philosophy and with NFL success with the same system in SF, their shouldn’t be questions about it working at the NFL level.

by SteelCity G on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure

After seeing him trust his kicker to win the Rose Bowl instead of perhaps the best QB of the decade! Seriously it’s difficult to evaluate a guy when he has the best QB talent, you can say he made Luck, but you can also say Luck made him.

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by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He won't have to make that decision here

And you could really say that about any successful OC, even the best ones need talent but he was very good in putting the talent he had in the best situation to perform and by steering that talent with their strengths and away from their weakness’.

by SteelCity G on Jan 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d want our offense to be like San Francisco’s? no thanks, we were bad enough this year

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Not like SF, like Stanfords

We have a lot more talent than SF obviously, from a balance stand point and QB development, plus our skilled talent, we would be able to be more aggressive than SF is with Alex Smith. Stanford’s offense looked pretty good with basically only a QB. My point with SF is that it’s not a college system. If Ben was on SF they would have had a better offense than with Smith.

by SteelCity G on Jan 20, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree that they only had a qb, they had a great line, pretty damn good TE’s and a receiver that is from my highschool. Ok, the last part means nothing, but they were more than a QB. On top of that, who exactly do they play? It’s college

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You are way off

Stanford has very limited team speed, especially at the WR position. Who they recruit and can get into their school makes it tough to compete but they have done a great job with the tools they have. They do have a good O Line, some very good TEs and one RB with some speed. That’s great but it limits what they can do effectively.

Compare what Stanford has to Okie State in the skill position department. It’s not even close. Put a kid like Blackmon on Stanford’s offense and they are now twice as good. They are as good as they are through scheme, toughness and smarts.

The Niners were in a similar situation yesterday with the injuries to their WRs. They had one healthy wide out and played Delanie Walker (TE) for the first time since December trying to get receivers on the field. Give Jim Harbaugh some outside speed and his offense and Alex Smith are going to get better.

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by franz on Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Arians Replacement

The person I would like to see replace BA is Tom Clements who was a QB coach in Pittsburgh prior. He also was a very good QB in the CFL for a number of year with the Ottawa Roughriders. I think he is currenly with Green Bay. It would be a promotion for him and he would be coming back to playbook that he has some familiarity with. After him then I would go Haley.

by ColinP on Jan 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

+1

From the Crafton area, same as Cowher. Did a good job when he was here, he’s the QB coach in Green Bay now…obviously they’ve had zero success in that position.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 20, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

HALLELUJAH!

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by svenhoek on Jan 20, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Also....

I am going to save a bunch of money on postage now that I can finally stop sending threatening letters to his home!

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by svenhoek on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Mark Whipple

Most like the passing game but want Big Ben to have the reigns pulled in, so to speak. Check the ball down more or throw it away. Was never a BA fan but Ben liked him, maybe because he was given the keys to the shiny new Vette.The O needed something. In this process of BA retiring or being pushed out the door it could actually go south. A new OC and Ben could actually not mesh in this setting the O back 3-5 years.

Bring in or back Mark Whipple. Was a part of the maturation and developement of young Ben as a QB coach. Currently the QB coach of Cleveland. This would give Ben somebody he knows and likes. Some will say that this will be like having BA/Ben relationship all over. This is where Tomlin puts his direction into how he wants things to be. The combination of a new OC that knows Ben, Tomlin making a change in direction(small changes) and Ben not being without some one he knows and trusts. Change but that not big of change.

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

Whipple and Ben had a father/son relationship, from what I've always read.

I always liked Whipple. I would imagine Ben would listen to his criticisms.

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by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Three suggestions

1-If at all possible : Jon Gruden. If he want to get back into coaching (he’s still young) looks like he’s going to have to settle for an OC job first. He’d be expensive, but with his ties to Tomlin it’s not impossible. Would be a great hire.

2-Tom Clements. a Pa. native and former Steelers QB coach, awesome job with Aaron Rodgers, great resume. Would get that offense back on track and help Ben improve.

3- Jim Caldwell. A great resume and a good minority candidate. Has the pull to stop the Ben enabling nonsense and would help bring some fresh ideas to the team.

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by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Jim Caldwell

just doesn’t seem to me like a guy who would pull the reigns in on Ben. I mean he basically let Manning run that team, it just seems he was a figure head more than anything.

I prefer Tom Clements.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So do I

You may be right, but his pedigree gives him some credibility though…

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

(Caldwell’s pedigree)

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

MAybe

But, it’s understandable why one would give Peyton Manning the reigns. Roeth, on the other hand, needs reigning in.

Whether Caldwell could be the guy who does that, I don’t know. I’m actually intrigued by the Gruden idea- I think he’d be good, AND I can’t stand him on MNF. Two birds with one stone!

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

I think he’s awesome! Haven’t had that kind of insight in… forever on MNF!!!

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

His analysis is pretty solid

But he’s always like “this guy!” about every guy, and while I appreciate the positivity, it’s a little over the top.

Dunno. Just different preferences I suppose. You truly enjoy him?

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

After Madden, a parrot would make me jump for joy!!! Seriously, I know he’s really enthusiastic, but I don’t mind it when it comes with thoughtful and insightful commentary. And he provides some of the best I can remember. In the end, to me, it’s all about the analysis. So yes, I do enjoy his work.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 21, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: MAdden

He was so ridiculous that I just found it comical. His ability to be Captain Obvious just made it a fascinating viewing experience. When he’d be like “he scored the touchdown because he outran the defender”, I’d always look around and be like “did he really just say that?”

But, good defense of Gruden.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 25, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I see what you’re saying about Madden, but that stopped working for me sometime in the early 90s, after that it was all excruciating, endless tedium.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 25, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The comedian, Frank Calliendo...

…does a great impersonation of Madden, and usually ends up having the same reaction as you.

Tough loss Lotts, you guys played a helluva game.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

And thanks.

It’s a young team- it’s good that they got some post-season experience, and I expect they will be back.

I’m expecting the Steelers to look sharp next year too, they just need to grab a couple quality interior lineman in a draft that’s deep in them, and maybe a project NT, as well as a future ILB to replace Farrior/Foote.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 25, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Clements a lot

for the reasons you state….gimme some of that Pack O!

by Majabe on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Really? Jon Gruden’s gonna leave his multi-million dollar studio deal to be an offensive coordinator?

by Neal Coolong on Jan 20, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

And wasn’t Gruden always known as defensive-minded?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Gruden was offensive minded who was with the high flying Oakland Raiders that left Oakland to go to a defensive team, built by the former coach – Tony Dungy. Gruden improved the offense enough and won a SB. Tony Dungy then went to the colts and improved the defense enough to win a SB.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha, nvm then.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Gruden’s a really good offensive mind. West-cost alum, but I don’t hold that against him.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Gruden does NOT need an OC job to get back into coaching. If he declared his interest for a job, he’d be instantly one of the front runners for it.

2. If Clements doesn’t get the TB job, I think he could be a great fit. Excellent choice.

3. What has this guy ever done to deserve our OC gig? Sure, Indy’s offense ran well, but let’s face it – that was Manning’s doing. Other than that, he’s a failed college coach and a failed professional coach.

As for the other candidates, I’m not a huge fan of Whipple. I know he knows Ben, but the development of McCoy in Cleveland doesn’t lend confidence to him taking over our OC job.

Haley’s personality could clash with Ben. That’s a risky choice. I’d rather have Billick than Haley.

Randy Fitchner could be a good internal choice, but he might be too chummy with Ben.

I wish we could talk Ken Anderson out of retirement…he has talent to do this.

by Blackadar on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

On Whipple/McCoy

Not sure anybody will get much out of McCoy in the NFL

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Clements is my favorite

Not sure Gruden gathered as much interest as you think. Would be worth a pitch. You’re a bit hard on Caldwell, he might not be the best candidate, but he would be worth an interview IMO.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he have any history calling plays?

Because the HC in Green Bay calls the offense, so I’m concerned that our apparent annointed one may come in and stink up the joint.

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by CLK47 on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

By that logic

…it’s either a re-tread coordinator, or….a re-tread coordinator.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean Caldwell I gather?

Not much (if any) experience calling plays. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it, but it does weaken his candidacy some. I really put him in there as an afterthought because obviously we’re going to interview a “Rooney Rule” candidate and I thought the guy has a good QB coaching background, so he could be worth a try. There are probably better candidates out there. I’m on the Tom Clements bandwagon myself, although as a longshot Jon Gruden would be awesome.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Gruden idea

Think there’s any way he and the organization would go for it?

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

IF he wants to go back to coaching

He could do worse than coordinate a very talented group as a way to get back into the biz. Money-wise, I have no idea how feasible it would be.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The next offensive Coordinator

has to be able to improve redzone defense, play calling, running game, and keep the passing game almost the same. /obvious font

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

has to be able to improve redzone defense

That’s asking a lot. Does he also have to improve Suisham’s leg?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

fire him and get another kicker, thats the improvement I’m looking for.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

of course its easier said than done

i kno its asking a lot but i’d prefer scoring touch downs as oppose to kicking FGs

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i was kidding with you

you said defense…meant offense

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

oops

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm a bit skeptical

that the next OC will be a huge improvement over Bruce. I never thought he was all that bad. Thanks for turning this offense into a feared passing attack, and Ben into a top tier QB, Mr. Arians!

by tkired on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Is this a REACH?

How about Chris Petersen the HC from BoiseState ???

by jRaGsDaLe717 on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Why would he leave his max security contract for a coordinator job?

You don’t exactly get radio deals as a coordinator, he probably doesn’t spend a cent on anything in Boise and gets paid five times as much.

by Neal Coolong on Jan 20, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He would be an awesome hire though…

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s said many times he isn’t going anywhere. He’s been offered some pretty big jobs in the college ranks

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Art Rooney II

Art Rooney II was the only one who could have done this. Big Ben wanted Arians back, Coach Tomlin I think had no real say in this, and Kevin Colbert did not either. Arians “retiring” I think is more due to no other teams want anything to do with him. If the Steelers can 12-4 three times with a really bad offensive line, horrible red zone efficiency and bad playcalling, imagine how much better the Steelers will be when they get an actual OC. Thank you Art!

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by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 20, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

One thing’s for sure. Mike hasn’t got a lot of time to find a replacement to start working.

Even with a patched up line, this team almost worked.

If it gets better next year, it was probably Bruce’s fault.

If it gets worse, then we may understand that Bruce wasn’t really the one running things.

Should be an interesting off season.

by 21in69 on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

No, Arians called all the plays unless Big Ben ran the no huddle. Mike Tomlin had nothing on the offense. I think the lion share of the blame falls on Arians and the offensive line.

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by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 20, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Chilly?

Brad Childress is a former OC for Philly when McNabb had his best years. Andy Reid called the plays, but I’m sure Chilly could handle this. He’s always been an offensive coach and while he had his ups and downs in Minn, he could be a good fit with our personnel and he has a past working relationship with Tomlin (of course).

by Blackadar on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Chilly would be worse than Haley

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Chilly is passive

He let Favre have his way with him.

There’s a Ben joke in there, but I’m going to leave it alone…

What I meant to say is that it needs to be someone with a strong personality, but not a total jerk like Haley…

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

this is going to REAAALLLLLLYYY suck if they go with some uninspired move like promoting kirby wilson or fichtner. good teams stay good by infusing new with the old, that doesn’t mean firing people, but when you do have an important position opening up, it means evaluate all the possible candidates for the chance you bring something new to the organization

by klompus on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Kirby Wilson was the front runner, but since he’s fighting for his life he won’t be. Tragic situation.

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It is indeed tragic that he will miss out on this opportunity because of injury, but I don’t think he should have ever been considered for the job. Promoting from within is overrated.

by klompus on Jan 20, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends

Worked well with Mularkey and Whisenhunt for Cowher

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m showing my age (or lack thereof) but wasn’t at least one of those an assistant coach before being the OC? With the amount of qualified people on the market it just seems silly to promote blindly one of these people without seeing what else is out there. If there’s anything our offense needs IMO it’s a spark

by klompus on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

“blindly”? It could only seem that way from your home.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Er...

Mularkey and Whisenhunt were both Tight End coaches before becoming offensive coordinators under Cowher and then head coaches elsewhere. Does that answer your question?

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by Steelfrog on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think inside hires are boring too, but Tomlin & Co. are much more educated on things that are going on. Kirby might very well have been an offensive genius. Who knows…

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Tomlin knows Kirby

worked with him in Tampa before Pittsburgh that could be one reason.

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Feeling good today

I’ve been critical of Bruce and I’m sure he could give a rat’s fat ass about any of our criticism or support for that matter. Hard to believe he is retiring, although some health issues were mentioned in the last year. I would predict BA takes next year off and returns to college coaching down the road. He’s pretty young to hang it up unless he has some outside interests that he wants to develop.

Watching Stanford Football rise from the ashes has been very interesting. I attended numerous coaching clinics there over the years and have seen coaches come and go. Harbaugh and his crew have done an incredible job, with David Shaw keeping the train rolling this past year. One of the guys in this lineage is going to get a college HC job or perhaps an NFL coordinator gig. Hard to see Shaw leaving Stanford this soon but you never know. Let me throw out the name Pep Hamilton. He is Stanford’s OC and QB coach. He has 7 years of NFL experience as a QB coach and has connections with Harbaugh obviously but also Paul Hackett and Norv Turner. He is young (37) and has only one year of experience in that role. However, with Mike Tomlin being a young HC maybe he is willing to look at a guy like this. The FB position would need to be filled !!

The USC coaching tree is also intersting since they have had lots of success and have run a pro style offense for many years. Sarkisian has done a good job at Washington but may not want to leave yet, just signing a new contract for good money after the season. His mentor Norm Chow would be intersting but he just got hired as Hawaii’s new HC. How about another name which will sound familiar to you – Kennedy Polamalu. Yes, he is Troy’s uncle and also has NFL experience with the Jaguars and the Browns. Less likely but interesting. I think they use fullbacks in that system too ?!!

Chris Peterson from Boise is an awesome coach and has shown offensive innovation while running spread stuff and I formation concepts. He would be great but just signed a new contract also.

Jim Caldwell? Maybe. BB would love to run the Colts system but would it suit him and his propensity for getting sacked?

Hue Jackson has been named by some but I would be appalled at that selection. He over-stepped his authority and took advantage of the power vacuum left when Al Davis died. Not only did his scheme not work, he likely undermined others in his quest for the Raiders HC gig and then whined about being fired. I wouldn’t trust this guy and can’t imagine Rooney and Tomlin wanting him in Pittsburgh.

I would love to see some new blood come in as the Steelers OC. It gives Tomlin the chance to imprint his philosophy and restart the offense. Any of the college guys mentioned above would be fine by me. Probably see guys like Schottenheimer the Younger and other guys with recent NFL OC experience getting mentioned in the press and interviewed.

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by franz on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

One wonders...

Strange timing on this. First, BA says post Denver he’s coming back. Now he’s ‘retiring’ and Rooney says it’s “Tomlin’s call” on whether the staff will return intact. Yes…the defense and LeBeau really blew it with their scheme against Denver. On the other hand, the Patriots just proved how easy it ‘should’ have been for the Steelers to beat the Broncos: score points & force Tebow to throw into blanket coverage. Instead, our offense—with Redman on his way to galloping for 120+ yards and with Wallace, Brown, Miller, and Cotchery to throw to—put up two field goals in the first half, letting the Broncos stay in the game and then take control. Could it be that Tomlin feels BA was not producing points to the full potential of his personnel (and possibly a rift occurred)?

by JP4Pitt on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

No....

No Chilly, no Gruden, no Whipple…yes to Clements or Haley, Haley was just hated as HC, liked as OC.

by ColinP on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

no, he was hated as an OC, do you not remember the famous blow-ups with Boldin, Warner, Breaston, and even Fitz?

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

QB Troy Smith

was just signed by the Steelers. Thoughts?

by SteelStealth on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Dixon should be gone.

I had hopes that he would add an exciting wrinkle to the offense when and if he got to play. After the time he has had, if he can’t supplant Charlie Batch, he isn’t worth keeping on the roster. Trade him to Denver for a new sack of balls and a box of tape.

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by franz on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

NO he will compete with Jerrod Johnson

for the 3rd QB spot Dixon is going to be gone

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

is batch coming back?

if so they are battling for PS

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

but him Dennis Dixon and Lefty are all UFA. So they won’t sign Dixon back and my guess won’t sign Batch unless these two don’t show something.

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Left was reported to be coming back

so its batch or someone else, dixon is gone

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

I thought Batch was gone before Lefty broke his arm

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

but we know dixon is gone for sure

so unless they draft someone batch should be back.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And now my life's complete.

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by Jon Ross on Jan 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

da f***?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet…lets get rid of one talentless running qb and replace him with….a talentless running qb..

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Off topic: Steelers signed Troy Smith

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by Pittsblitz56 on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

and Jerod Johnson

who is 6’5" and more likely to be on the roster than Smith

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

We also signed 4 WRs

And B Mac’s cousin who is also a CB

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

of those 4

I only see Derrick Williams being able to make the roster. He was a former 3rd round pick of Lions and has decent slot skills. Ran a 4.37 on his Pro Day and a 6.96 3 cone drill meaning he is quick.

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by Steel34D on Jan 20, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Why’d he fail with the Lions? Possible Wallace replacement?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure, I really liked him coming out of Penn State. Hes no Mike Wallace replacement unfortunately, but he is young and could find his way onto the roster if one of our receivers departs

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Can

He catch the ball when it hits him in the hands? If so then he’ll be a fine replacement for everything Mike Wallace does besides run past cornerbacks on “go” routes.

by pistil_stamen on Jan 21, 2012 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

He was the nation’s no. 1 recruit out of HS. An awesome talent. Wonder what happened…

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by Steelfrog on Jan 21, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually poor work ethic

… sometimes it’s lack of mental capacity or effort picking up pro systems. Many times it’s that and a little something called marijuana. Put them together and you have a bust.

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by franz on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet you guys are ready for a fresh change for your offense

I think it will tell a lot about what this organization thinks the future is with the new offensive coordinator.

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Bengals fans are happy to see him go

He has kicked our butts for years….

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 20, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember seeing him with a helmet on....

…so I wouldn’t get too confident about surpassing us, just yet.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Who hasn't?

Everyone has kicked the Bengals butts for years.

by SteelCity G on Jan 20, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

About this "fix Ben" thing...

Do you really understand what you’re asking? Ben is not a Brady or a Peyton—that is, he’s not a pure precision passer who will pick apart your team through a masterful control of the rhythm of the game. He’s also not a Tim Tebow (thank God), who can only run and occasionally throw a deep ball. If anything, he’s more like a John Elway: someone who thrives on making plays last longer, going through multiple checkdowns, and then improvising long enough to make big plays at opportune moments. It’s how the Steelers made it to (and won) SBs in both ‘05 and ’08. Sure, Ben has excellent accuracy, reads a defense well, and throws a gorgeous deep ball. But it’s his ability to extend plays that has driven defenses like the Ravens crazy over the past 7 years.

However… I grant that it may be time for Big Ben 2.0—something similar to late-stage Elway. Perhaps something more like early- or middle-stage Marino (before he fell apart), where decisions are made quicker, and the running game (in Elway’s case) is utilized differently. That requires a better O-line, of course.

At the same time, a QB’s strengths also inevitably pair with a limited set of weaknesses. Brady can’t run, and neither can Peyton. And, interestingly, look what happened to Aaron Rodgers against the Giants last week: for the first time, his star receivers couldn’t get open, and Rodgers ended up running the ball like 8 times. In other words, a couple of pieces start falling apart (e.g., the Steelers O-line over the past 2-3 years), and a star QB can’t thrive in the way he should. Just picture Tom Brady next year after Matt Light dies of old age this summer, and injuries eventually hit the rest of that group. They can add three more 6’6" TEs and it wouldn’t matter: Brady would have a sub-par year.

So “fix” Ben? I’d fix the O-line first. And the play-calling. Then we’ll see what happens. My guess is that with the huge WR and RB talent, and Ben will have another career year, with (slightly) fewer sacks.

by lakerschamps on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with the majority of this; however...
Ben has excellent accuracy, reads a defense well, and throws a gorgeous deep ball.

He has gone on the record as saying reading defenses is overrated (I believe it was in an article by Michael Silver back when he used to write for SI), and I’ve always thought his deep ball leaves much to be desired. He has a tendency to overthrow or underthrow his guys, and sometimes forces it. His intermediate passing is his strength, IMO.

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by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 20, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's probably true about reading defenses

Though I recall Collinsworth several times lavishing praise on Ben for his checking down on receivers and hitting the fourth or fifth option. That’s not reading defenses, of course, but it does show his talent for cycling through his options based on who’s covered and what the defense is showing.

Agreed on the intermediate passing. And I felt like he regressed on the deep ball this year with his accuracy, though it’s possible he’s always been hit-or-miss. Selective memory perhaps, but I always picture that gloved hand whipping back and sailing a perfect spiral into the arms of Hines or Holmes or Wallace forty yards downfield.

by lakerschamps on Jan 20, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He regressed on the deep ball starting in the game we heard about his thumb injury. Before that he was throwing em perfect.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So now we're competing with...

…the Browns, Chargers, Bucs and Rams, who all need an Offensive Coordinator.

At least the decision was made early, can’t see anyone wanting to go to any of these other teams when they have a chance to be on the Steelers.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

da bolts have a week division and offensive talent out the tailbone

by klompus on Jan 20, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Chargers are the only one more compelling than coming here

Nice weather and a good offense in SD. Rams have Bradford but their OL is worse than ours and they need help in skill positions. Bucs are going the wrong way IMO. And who in their right mind would pick to go to Cleveland?

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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

this

you have a top 5 QB with weapons all around and in a position in the draft to improve the line. OC dream.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 20, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And you're only a few hours from the beach!!!

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 20, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You've convinced me

I’ll do it.

Will draft a couple talented guards, and mostly just turn to Charlie Batch during the game and be like “what should we do here?” He’ll help me make it work.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

CB for OC

Charlie Batch might need a job soon.

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It's a celebration!

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by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Jan 20, 2012 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Outside hire please

Ben can’t have someone he knows, it will BA all over again. Hire from the outside. Need to hire soon to start teaching system and terminology. Need New coach to push Ben and challenge Ben to continue to improve. How about Merrill Hoge?

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by 58 on Jan 20, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

BA needed to go

he was on thin ice ever since the 2009 browns game in cleveland.

I think the screen pass in the playoff game that should have been a interception for the Broncos did him in.

by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

I wish for three more wishes

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by Twell on Jan 20, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse the f bomb in the comic, but its worth it

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

hehehehe

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by Twell on Jan 20, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one appreciate the efforts of Bruce Arians

However, red zone play calling was his downfall, as well as critical third downs. Some games he was absolutely brilliant (think Pats 2011) and others were downright dismal.

He did not have the best O Line to work with, however he persevered with routes and plays that took too long to develop.

Clements is my pick to replace him. Enjoy retirement Bruce, and the Superbowl ring.

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Happy New Year !!!

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Jan 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

There were three weaknesses with this year's team...

Field Goal Kicking. O-Line. And Offensive Philosophy.

This gives us the opportunity to change one of the three.

You don’t have to be a hater to see that he was rigid in sticking with ideas that don’t work.

by Steelzombie on Jan 20, 2012 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

Here's a name for you

Brian Ferentz, tight ends coach of the Patriots

by Steelzombie on Jan 20, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

3 Superbowls in 7 years - thank you Bruce!

I found much of BA’s strategy to be brilliant, with similar looks on different plays and holding the good unique plays for the second half. Each play designed to confuse or lull the defense and set up a sequence of plays in the next quarter. It was a real chess match. There were some real clangers for sure – but who knows what the truth was behind those calls.

The team had real chemistry over the last 7 seasons, with the receivers, OL, Ben, and the coaches all getting along well. Bruce was a big part of that chemistry that took them to the Superbowl 3 times during his tenure. Thanks for that Bruce! Good luck to the Steelers finding an OC that can be maximize that talent better than BA.

by Blokeotheend on Jan 20, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

He was WRs coach of SB XL

Formerly known as Steeler_

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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 21, 2012 4:33 AM EST up reply actions  

3 Superbowls in 7 years – thank you Bruce defense!

Fixed that for you

by theatrain on Jan 21, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Arians was never as bad as everyone said and never as good as he (and Ben) thought he was....

Good Bye to the “Big Chunks” offense.
Arians was blessed with some truly offensively talented players, but his stubborn attitude and refusal to adapt his game plan for either the opponents weakness or our weakness/injuries always hurt us.
He refused to put in hot routes or RB outlet passes in the program fro Ben because he did not want to waste a single “deep down the field” option.
He also de-valued and eventually eliminated the FB position (remember former Steeler and later Pro Bowler for GB Jon Kuhn?). Ironic that the best counter for a weak offensive line is a quality FB yet Arians willingly accepted one while eschewing the other.
He did positively impact our personnel, though. His Temple connections indirectly lead to our drafting of Antonio Brown. Thanks Bruce.
I don’t care to say Good Riddance, but Good Bye all the same!

by masterchiefnavy on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

True
He did positively impact our personnel, though

He was instrumental in Redman signing too.

The best single sentence summary I’ve seen is this:

The challenge for the next offensive coordinator is to take a good offense and make it a great one.

from: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/52634/steelers-offense-needs-to-set-sights-higher

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Good news, let's move on

Should have lots of quality options given the rep of the org and now Tomlin too – with a lot of pieces in place already, the sky’s the limit for the O

Great news!

by Watty4ever on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions  


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