The Steelers Just Won the Super Bowl! Whoops, My Mistake. Bruce Arians Just Retired
Well, after years of wishing, hoping, praying and cursing by Steelers fans far and wide, Bruce Arians officially stepped down as offensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers today after holding that title for five years.
I haven't seen the fans this happy since the Steelers advanced to the Super Bowl about a year ago at this time. Seriously, they might as well pour into the streets and wave their Terrible Towels at passing cars.
I've always been on the fence about Arians.
On one hand, I see where maybe a change in the offensive approach was needed what with the team finishing in the middle of the pack or lower in scoring year after year with Arians calling the plays. Also, it's no secret that Ben Roethlisberger's sack numbers are more than a little alarming, and whether you blame him for holding onto the ball too long, or you blame the offensive line, maybe a different style was necessary in-order to keep the franchise quarterback healthy, and to utilize the multitude of offensive weapons more effectively.
On the other hand, I see a young and developing receiving corps, an exciting stable of running backs and an elite quarterback, who, oh by the way, loved his offensive coordinator. And, on one of the fingers of that pro-Arians hand rests a ring from Super Bowl XLIII. It's nice and shiny.
I can see both sides of it
They say you should never make a change for the sake of change, but in this case, maybe it'll be a good thing just to find out, once and for all, if Arians' philosophy was the main culprit in the overall lack of production. If it was, great. It's one thing for an offensive coordinator to have a specific philosophy, but if it hinders the offense or is in direct contrast to what the upper-management is looking for, something has to be done.
However, change isn't always a good thing. As Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette talked about in his article today, the Steelers haven't exactly had a great track-record with bringing in new offensive coordinators.
And when looking at the Steelers offensive production in 2011, maybe a little credit has to go to the defenses that Arians had to strategize against. Kudos to Joe Bendel for pointing out on his radio show yesterday that the Steelers faced more than their fair share of top defenses over the course of the season.
Did I mention I was on the fence about Arians?
I can see it going either way. Could the next guy come in and craft an offensive machine? Perhaps, but he could also be Kevin Gilbride.
The grass isn't always greener. Even with a fullback standing on it.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go tell those Steelers fans partying right outside my window to keep it down.
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Pass = Happy
As long as we move away from our deification of the running game, which, lets face it, went out of style about when Stonehenge was built, and focus on the passing game, where most of our offensive talent lies, I’m happy.
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Semi agree
But the passing game works much better with a solid threat of a running game. I would like our new coordinator to involve Mendenhall in a much better fashion, both in the running and passing game.
Mendy was hardly a focal point of the offense this past season, and at times we paid for it.
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Rooney
Has mandated a balanced attack, so don’t get your hopes up, who ever it is that comes in, I don’t think we will be passing more, plus Arians passed too much himself and it works passing like that in a dome but when you play in the northeast with bad weather, and style of play in the division, and considering we are still a defense first team, I couldn’t disagree more with what would make you happy.
Rooney wanted them to run more EFFECTIVELY not necessary run more.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 21, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Balance
I know I know. A good running attack is important. I just can’t stand the people who seem married to the idea that all we need to to is run the ball 75% of the time and play defense. I just don’t think you can win that way (we’ll see what happens to the Raven tomorrow). I had not problem with Arians focus on the pass. In my opinion our most talented offensive players are Ben, Wallace, and Brown, then Heath/Mendenhall/Redman. With the talent we have passing makes sense. What I would have liked to see is more short passes and less deep plays. I my book short passes would keep the ball moving and cut down on the hits Ben takes. Further, with our receiving talent an efficient short passing game would be could be an excellent way to set up the run if the LBs had to start dropping into coverage.
Anyway, those are my reason for hoping for a pass happy OC.
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by CheekyMonkey on Jan 21, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I find it hard to critique him much at all
the Rooneys hired him. the GM implements player draft stategy…the head coach runs the team… given all the injuries the past coulpe yrs to our OL, and QB position how can you blame offensive game plan…. I say he was a solid OC… and more the light shined on him due to perhaps others inherent influence, not to mention a rapidly changing game due to rules changes…
Did he ever gameplan based on the issues with the OL?
Can you remember any designed rollouts to help move the pocket around?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
amen dude
I think that he was just a little too much like mike martz , except it took too long for the pass plays to develop. If a qb only has 2 or 3 seconds before the defense is on him , you cant call plays that take wrs 4 or 5 seconds to get open. The Steelers need to run more and start playing the clock managment game. If you are in a shoot out the entire game , the defense certainly cant be expected to stop an opponant from scoring late in the 4th.
well.....its easy to point fingers...
is he responsible per say for the personnel he has to work with?…or is that the doing of management-gm-hc ?….. Does he script these plays into our playbook?…or is that Mike Tomlins responsibility to over see… ?…. you think at any crutial point in any game, these play calls you disagree with are not being acknowledged in Mike Tomlins head set?. .. no…I dont believe for a second BA should take the abuse he’s been given… to me, He’s just a scape goat you feel you need….. to me, he was a solid OC…. not the leagues best…but, then again he did get us to a number of superbowls… easier said then done, to game plan around OL injuries also, as your offensive is tee’d off on without a pound the rock ability…
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not a fan of BA, but I’m also not one of those that said he was horrible and anyone would be an improvement. I think he had a penchant for gaining yards in chunks then losing steam in the redzone and for periods in many games.
I didn’t say he was responsible for the personnel he was given. I asked if you can recall him gameplanning to mitigate the OL issues. Please give some examples if you can.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
well....when you condense the field
dont have the ability to run the ball…. dont have 3 megatrons to throw the ball up too…. = stalling in the redzone…. yes?… youve got a shambles of an OL, how do your proceed….?…. you limited in running ability…and that puts you in passing situations 100% of the time, which means added pass rush less time for seem routes to develope… at some point you have to realize the limitations of the talent we have…. our wide outs are not going to beat an end zone corner route corner one on one…. not reliably…and play call has nothing to do with it… last true go to guy we had in the redzone was plexico…… getting away from slam it down your throat running game, and not having the full back to get the job done since bettis… has shown the error in philosophy, especially accented with an injured offensive line…. I dont suggest your a BA hater….but most here dont realize the limitations of out talent…. drafting in the position we do year in and year out, means we have to alter game plan on the fly with the skill set of the talent were able to add….. I think all would agree that Wallace, Sanders, and Brown were all very good finds….. still, they lack the size to beat one on one coverage….. It might very well be that BA found these guys to add to our roster, and gets zero credit….certainly he’s not been given the players needed to be able to run the ball, or receivers who’s skill set can beat one on one coverage….to me….that puts our game plan right where it was…. routes that try to find seems to accent our recievers talents…..
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Your formatting makes it hard to follow what you write, but if I understand correctly, you’re basically saying that BA doesn’t have enough talent offense to gameplan to mitigate the OL issues.
Maybe so, but I haven’t seen many attempts to try on his part either.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
sure you have....
when he called a running play on first down in the redzone for a 1 yard gain….then then it was second and long….
its not so much the talent…but… that talent in the rec corp is not going to shine in the redzone as they do in open field…. seemed pretty obvious to me we were able to with a full field move the ball down the field at will….but…that uses our receivers best talents….time developing seam routes…. on the other hand….down in the redzone, those talents cant be realized the same….press one on one coverage takes the seam route away, and not having a taller receiver set means your at disadvantage…. this in its self would not be an issue, IF we could run the ball….but both combined, failed running game and smallish recievers are exactly the reason our redzone effc. was poor….and thats something u cant game plan around without personnel changes…… well…. ive other things to do this morning….. enjoy your day all…
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
i don't know . . .
but continuing to line up 5 wide receivers on third and short with an empty backfield tips the defense that there will be a pass . . . no? but if the best one can do is call the oc “solid”, one really should not go to such worded lengths to defend him . . .
well...
how many OC’s have gotten there team to the superbowl as often recently…. I wouldnt classify him as top 3 in the league….but hes done his job…..and what choice do you have on 3 and short, would your suggest lining up with a running look, less rec’s in route…?…what advantage is that if everyone and their mother knows u cant make 3 yds on the ground on third down?…. mangle OL, no fullback that can get u 3 yds on third down, but u want to blame BA for playing the cards he’s been dealt….both in injuries, teams receiver skill set, and trap- outside run game…. all ive heard from most here is a bunch of sour grape finger pointing……
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
How about planning for it
Your comment above said that running up the middle on 1st and goal was gameplanning for the OL issues. Not really. Game planning for it would be calling a play where you anticipate that the other team is going to sell out on the run, and you fake a run and throw a pass to a tackle eligible, for example. Or to a 6’5" TE?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
easy to be a monday morning corner back, but trick plays dont constitute game plan
in my opinion.. everyones entitled to their own… I dont share your’s…. Im quite certainBA’s retirement is more about the thanklessness of the job, then his effectiveness as a OC…
I find changing OC’s rather like fixing a flat tire….these days most car’s have a dough nut in the trunk….
I hope we find a good one, but our problems are not in my opinion based on the job BA did, rather glaring weaknesses in personnel on both sides of the ball…mixed in with deep injuries to the team this past season…last post on this topic…
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Tricks plays
I don’t think a play action pass to a TE has been considered a trick play for decades. Tackle eligible would be I guess, but still, I’m not talking about fake FG’s here. The play in the Broncos game is a good example, where we motioned Wallace across the formation and handed it off to him at a dead run. Nobody could beat him to corner, and it was an easy TD.
But, anyway, whatever. As datruth said on MR’s post, BA’s gone, so time to move on.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
man, you have to stop over-interpreting what people write . . .
. . . a play action to a tight end is not a trick play . . . as stated.
you are allowed to love ba as much as you want . . . why was there never any interest from any other team in hiring arians away from the steelers?
geez . . . if it wasan't for stellar defenses those years, the steelers may not have made the playoffs . . .
post hoc ergo proctor hoc, maybe?
first of all
was reff to his T elig mention…
but the base of my comments basically suggest, those of you who find fault with BA, suggest he hasnt run plays to your liking… Ive seen plenty of screens etc, and ea of your arguements dont take into account his role as OC.. youve no idea exactly what latitude he was given, and as such can place blame on his play calling, as what ever plays are scripted into our playbook are the head coachs final decision….. Ive pointed out some ligit reasons why are play calling was formated to accent our receivers talent, and why we strayed away from their lack of talent to beat one on one coverage…Ive also pointed out we dont have a FB capable of making 3rd and 2-3 yds, thus more open backfield sets on 3rd down… to me any other approach blindly ignores your players short comings, I also pointed out the offense injuries weve suffered…not to mention some pretty good late round offensive additions to our team im sure BA had part in drafting….. not to mention he probably had to take a back seat to more glaring needs then getting the players he might of wanted to compliment our offense…… but…… you all seem to ignore “facts” and prefer to live in your own view fiction of BA’s effectiveness as an OC… far be it for me to open your eyes, seems you prefer to wear blinders…… if you care to elaborate on the facts ive mentioned, feel free….but, I wont be commenting on your percieved accounting of slanted facts, or your opinions….its pointless…. your welcome to your opinion, but fact is you dont have any idea how much freedom BA had as our OC… to suggest “why didnt we run more TE screens” etc is ridicilous….we used our tight end (really only one) as best we could, and our other two TE’s were sub par in their perfomance in holding onto the ball… one has to game plan against a diff opponent ea week, some are more able due to their personnel keep parts of our game plan in check….thats football…but would be silly to suggest we blindly dont try to take advaantage of both our players talents first, and exploit defenses as best we can…. as to why know one tried to hire him away from us….do you know for a fact he wasnt approached?, or that perhaps he had his roots set at his age and wasnt interested in another job?,….or if you want to throw blind apples in a bushel.. why wasnt Bill Cowher ever appoached to be hired away?… silly right?… bottom line……game plan is a combined off and def strategy, and the head coaches responsibility….so, if you want to place blame, put it on Tomlin for not discussing necessary offensive game plan changes to either assure better production, of better use of players talents…. the OC reports to the head coach… the responsibility lies there….or just maybe… Tomlin was perfectly satisfied with BA’s evaluation of talent, and play calling, based on overall game plan of winning….
by OR69faithfull on Jan 22, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
you are confusing your opinion with facts . . .
logic 101: bill cowher was a head coach under contract until he decided to retire. teams would have to ask permission to talk to him – that wasn’t going to happen! and there are many teams that would love to hire cowher if he chooses to unretire. remember when the steelers’ coordinators were often hired away?? can you explain why the steelers gained so many yards yet had so few points to show for it? and, the steelers success has largely been to their defensive excellence and an offense that was merely “solid” like arians. you can settle for mediocrity . . . i prefer something better . . . “we could do worse” is not a glowing endorsement!
no i am NOT
answer this question…….if BA was such a terrible OC…..why wasnt he fired? ….He decided to retire….
Ive already explained our receivers skill set, and how that not having a running game futher magnifies problems in the red zone…… but…. you choose to look at things thru your own eye, vs the real world…. youve made it quite clear your happy BA’s gone……but…. I have not heard 1 spec of information from credible sources suggesting the steeler were nothing short of completely satisfied with the job he did…… Im tired of this thread, and reading your unsubstanciated opinions…. your welcome to your opinion, but…I dont share it, of find basis in fact for it…..
by OR69faithfull on Jan 22, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
hey, if you like ridiculously mediocre offensive coordinators, i'm not going to deny you the priviledge!
but an offense that gains so many yards with so few points to show for needs a new direction. the rooneys rarely fire anyone. my unsubstantiated opinions? can you explain how a top ten offense with such weapons can score so few points? maybe the game plan?? again, i find it curious that you are so vehement about defending mediocrity . . . are you related to arians? and check the post gazette, the is an article there that strongly indicates that arians’ contract was not renewed and he was given the option to retire. this happened a mere two days after tomlin stated that arians and lebeau would be back next year. use your gestalt skills!
Cowher
IIRC, there was some concern in the early 2000’s that Cowher may be hired away by some team that would make a coach and GM. I think it was when he decided not to take an offer for an extension with 2 years left on his contract. Some speculated that he might work his contract out and wait for a huge raise with some other team, possibly the Browns. However, as VIN mentioned, teams can’t approach another team’s HC who is under contract without permission.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ive also pointed out we dont have a FB capable of making 3rd and 2-3 yds, thus more open backfield sets on 3rd down
How does an empty backfield help mitigate OL problems? It tells the D that they don’t have to worry about the run, so they can just tee off on the pass rush.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
How though? When you have an empty set, you spread their defense out. People are worried about Wallace so that means the safeties will be busy, that doesn’t really leave people to blitz unless they decide to just go one on one with everybody. And if they do that, I like our odds.
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In theory it sounds good
But execution is something that wasn’t very prominent in Arians’ offense.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t agree with that, once the call goes in, it’s the player’s responsibility. If they couldn’t make it work, it’s on them. If Ben would take the open man underneath instead of forcing it deep, it could work.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Certainly
But, I think that has been one of the issues that people have been pointing out, which is that if Ben is ignoring the checkdown, then someone needs to rein him in.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
If Cowher, Whiz, or Tomlin couldn’t do it, why would people throw all the blame on Arians?
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I think Cowher and Whiz did it
For Tomlin, my guess is that he delegates, and some people have blamed Tomlin. Overall Tomlin seems to resist change until necessary, but when he does make a change, his results are hard to argue.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
How what?
Are you asking how they just tee off on the pass rush?
If you have a suspect OL, the defense doesn’t need to blitz, do they? Their pass rushing DE’s or OLBs just have to beat their man. And they know that they don’t have to worry about the playing the run, correct?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but if it’s one on one all around, you have to believe you’ll have enough time to complete anywhere up to a 15 yard pass.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
But it's never one on one all around
That was the whole basis of the Bears’ 46 defense that Buddy Ryan developed. Since you have a QB who is not blocking, rushing or receiving, there should always be one extra defender to either rush or double team the best receiver.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
so, there’s still a team that runs the 46? who are they?
Even one extra man, with who we have, it should still win.
The empty is the same scapegoat that we’ve been using since I’ve been on this site. It’s either Gay, Arians, empty sets, deep balls, not running, running in the wrong spots…it doesn’t matter. there’s always a scapegoat
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
youve no idea exactly what latitude he was given
Do you know that yourself? You speak as though you know, and anyone who disagrees you is basing that off of faulty information.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know he wasnt fired...?
and how is it not Tomlins responsibilty to over see the OC’s job…. if you werent happy with the offensive scheme…you should be blaming the head coach…
and how is lack of drafting OLineman not the GM’s or HC blame…..or how is a injury riddled Oline BA’s fault….
by OR69faithfull on Jan 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
they did not renew his contract . . . hence he was forced to retire . . .
i.e. fired! check the post gazette . . . and i blame tomlin for keeping arians around as long as he did . . . i give credit to tomlin’s entire body of work . . . ariams’ responsibility was offensive production. the offense chronically underachieved. thus arians was fired.
I’ve asked a couple questions out of your paragraph above. Bottom line to me is that BA was just ok on the whole. He had some great gameplans and he had some clunkers. None of us knows exactly what latitude he was given or not given, but based on what we do know, someone above Tomlin in the FO was ready to make a change. To me, that speaks volumes. It’s hard to decide to make a change when you’ve been having success, but apparently someone (most likely Art II) thought that the offense was underperforming relative to the talent.
At this point, I’m just ready to move on to find out who his replacement is and hope that Tomlin has the same success in hiring a new assistant as he has with Kugler, Everest, and Carnell Lake.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
ive had enough of this myself....
Im roughly the same age as BA, so… Im quite sure having gotten to this stage of life, that it was the thanklessness of the job that prompted his retiring….rather then being pushed out…
best wishes to whom ever the steelers select as their new OC, lord knows whom ever it is, they will be crucified here as son of satan
by OR69faithfull on Jan 22, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently his contract was up and he was told that a new contract was not forthcoming.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 22, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Like chip freeny and suggs to keep them off of Ben. Other teams do it but BA would just put j Scott out there and ask him to block guys he can’t block. Your line is poor, or hurt. Why not leave more guys in to block? Who would go empty as often as we do with a poor line?
Little things show me he doesn’t know how to gameplan
ultimately
thats Mike Tomlins responsibility….. right?….. the view being we could make a play before pressure gets to the QB… we also dont have the tallest receiver set…. so…. I imagine you would have a complaint that we put one less in route, and have more time to incomplete a pass….. defense’s also game plan…. I mentioned earlier in a thread….we are to slow to change….but…ultimatley, that responsibility falls to the head coach, or the powers that be that limit the head coach… we thru bubble screens to offset 7 in the box…. but…. regardless of how you appoach game plan…your not going to be successfull 100% of the time…. wolfpac suggests roll outs….first….Ben is not a nimble QB, second….roll outs are soon countered, they cut the field in half, and create hi risk cross field throws…not to mention ben being hobbled last 1/4 of the season…. I just dont see how our Offensive game plan was that off….. we have smallish wide recievers who thrive at finding a seam…verses beating one on one coverage….
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ben is not a nimble QB
Really? Ben is plenty mobile when healthy. We’re not talking Joe Namath or Dan Marino in a knee brace here.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
hes not exactly steve young or arron rodgers is he.... hes a lug of a guy
who has some skill set to feel pressure and move away from it….
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
actually . . . a significant reason the steelers gained so many yards is ben's nimble-ness . . .
ben’s improvising when an arians play doesn’t work is well-documented.
no hes not nimble....
looks more like a clydsdale then a 1/4 hourse in the pocket… he has the ability to slide away from pressure….that is not being nimble footed… even when he makes a turn up field…its very slow motionish… Im not bad mouthing his abilities… I wouldnt have another QB in the league bring us into battle ea week… but being lite of foot isnt ben’s biggest asset…..
by OR69faithfull on Jan 21, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Tomlin
Totally falls on Tomlin. Not sure about him at all. When he let BA keep mendenhall in for goal line carries When even amateurs can see redman is a lot better. That is when I jumped off Tomlin band wagon. Reward mendy with TD? Really? Sorry Tomlin. You need to get more involved.
And btw. Mediocre WR can get open if protection is good
amen again
took a trip to lambeau this year (it was awesome), and it hit me like lightning: when have i ever seen Ben end up twenty feet away from the action at the line? clearly, we can’t go from a run-heavy to trigger-happy offense over two seasons, but when did I ever see anything like this attempted??
and there was much rejoicing...
yes, I am a Bruce Arians hater. Was he a horrible OC? No. Can we do better? Absolutely yes.
Bruce had his moments, but overall I think most would agree that he was, at the very least, a disappointment. I think his strategy only works with a solid, healthy offensive line. We haven’t had that, and might not have that in the near future. He tended to ignore our weaknesses, thats what bothered me. Heres to a new offense, may it reach its potential.
I agree, I mentioned in another post that when our OL deteriorated, Bruce failed to make any changes to use what we had, and his long developing pass plays without checkdowns really hurt us, and Big Ben.
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
"they were forced to ditch their OC"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enSYlCEz5VI
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Finally!!
This is addition by subtraction. Now hopefully we don’t “hire from within” and get Fichtner or somebody who duplicates Arians’ failed philosophy.
by masterchiefnavy on Jan 20, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Totally agree
The offensive talent overcame the playcalling and philosophy shortcomings of Arians, I think it will be almost impossible for them to score less with anyone else as OC and maybe Ben can make it through the season without being injured now. I also would be upset if they hired from with-in, I see almost no point to that, might as well have kept Arians if that was the plan. They need a new set of eyes to view the possibilities for this offense, not someone in lock step with the current viewpoint of the offensive staff.
by SteelCity G on Jan 21, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing bad to come of this.....
is the decrease in material for Spaceman’s posts.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 20, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions
But his last one will be a doozy.
And I expect cameo references to him in the future…
For starters...
BA becomes a writer for Golfer’s Digest. First article entitled, “How to score more points”
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Much joy in Mudville! Arians is out
Please bring in someone who will run a two back set and put a little mystery back into who is going to carry the ball-and if we are passing or not.
Do that-and our Oline will do better because its not obvious what we are doing. Ben will get sacked less because it won’t be obvious what we are doing.
by MeanJoeInGeorgia on Jan 20, 2012 9:07 PM EST reply actions
NOW, he can join the rest of Steeler Nation- on their arses watching the Ravens. Matt Cavanaugh is available.
How does that make sense? He would be doing that regardless. I wouldn’t be too cocky yet, you still have to play Brady, and your offense is not built to play from behind. Something tells me it wouldn’t matter to Harbaugh and his fans, you already won the Super Bowl twice this year, right?
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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate to say it, but I think Ravens beat the Pats
Patriots havent been truly tested in weeks. Havent beat a winning team. I think the Ravens are much more battle tested at this point. Either way, I want the 9ers or Giants to win the SB
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure who will win, but the point is, he should at least wait till after that game to be all cocky. If they lose, their one playoff win will mean their season is not any better than ours.
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Very true, was just adding my 0.02
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
They beat Tebow
Doesn’t that count? :/
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Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
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Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
It will likely be written in the Bible
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 21, 2012 4:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't trust Trent Flacco to not meltdown
it’s not like he had an outstanding game agains the Texans
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Texans have a great D
Patriots just have 11 guys
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 21, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks God, you heard my prays
There is hope for our Steelers next season
"Everytime NE Patriots lose, Football wins", myself
Good post
We all, certainly myself, have probably been harder on BA than is deserved. That being said, no matter how this is spun, it was time. Telling he could have been back again but……retired. This, tells you that the Steelers felt it was time.
In my more sober times I agree with you but..
Until im sober it is Part time Party time Party time Party time
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--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Jan 21, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
The best news of all...
…is that there are 2.3 million people in the Pittsburgh metropolitan area alone who could do a better job than Arians. That gives the team plenty of replacements to choose from.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
I used to think that way about myself when I criticized a player for not making a catch or whatever. I would think to myself that maybe I shouldn’t be so harsh because I couldn’t do any better. But, the fact is that I am not a professional in football, and that player is getting paid a lot more than me because they are supposed to do better.
I think the same idea applies here. Just because people criticize Arians for his performance doesn’t necessarily mean they think that they can do better. It means that they think that he should do better because that’s his job and he’s getting paid a lot more than most of us to do it.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think the man has taken unfair abuse to a shameful degree, but in a perverted way, I’m glad it’s over. Ding dong, the witch is dead. I was really hoping he would stay long enough to have at least a mediocre line to work with. But the calamities just kept on coming, injury after injury, calamity after calamity. No NFL team has come close to the revolving door at every line position that the Steelers have. No continuity, no cohesion, someone blowing an assignment or getting blown up every play…holding, false start, you name it.
I’m really hoping that maybe we could go through a season with, oh, maybe only six or eight different starting line combinations instead of an unbelievable10. And even when we did have the same line twice in a row, heaven rejoice, there was sure to be in-game injuries that would screw that up. I understand injuries are part of the NFL, but come on, Willie Colon twice? Max Starks with back surgery? Our center missing the ends of both seasons? The only guys who stayed healthy were the guys who shouldn’t be playing in the first place.
The irony is that if the next guy comes in and the O-line catapults into mediocrity, he’ll look like a genius and everyone will say, “See, it can be done better!”
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
But the real issue is whether we can keep him or not
Good OCs dont stay OCs for very long, and if the next guy is better than Arians somebody is gonna poach him from us.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
That would be a good and welcome problem to have. I hope that happens.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
yeah . . . that was the problem with arians . . .
absolutely zero interest . . . ever.
As mentioned elsewhere,
Good OCs dont stay OCs for very long,
Kind of telling that Brucie won a super bowl with us but still never got considered (to my knowledge) for a HC position.
If our new OC is so effective that he gets poached, I wouldn’t mind a bit. Hopefully, that’s a problem that we have continuously throughout the next decade. (as well as having to pick 32nd in the draft a time or four)
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
One of the rare times you are wrong
I grant BA worked under the handicap of the ever shifting line and even to an extent that he had success anyway. BUT BA had to go because what we had for the last 3 years is all he had. It was stale, wasn’t going to change or GET BETTER, and by many learned opinions underperformed the talent available.
The giddy reaction we fans have is natural and normal for these circumstances. I for one but also realize that the steelers have as much potential to do worse as do better next year offensively.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Jan 21, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I can see your points in the injuries to the OL
And, maybe I haven’t paid as much attention to the abuse heaped on him, or maybe I haven’t seen as much because I don’t live near Pittsburgh. But, it seems to me that there have been repeats of similar unsuccessful plays in similar situations with him calling the plays over the last few years.
I certainly agree that the the injury bug to the OL has been an issue. However, I have seen plenty of times where the plays that were called just seemed doomed from the get go. The one that sticks out in my mind is an empty set pass from inside the 3 yard line to a WR or TE in heavy traffic in the middle of the field. Admittedly, I don’t recall any in the last couple years, so we have adjusted. But, I remember seeing that all the time in the ‘07-’09 timeframe.
To me, the ultimate question will be this: Will the scoring offense be more in line with the offensive yardage ranking? If we have a top ten offense in yards, will that translate to a top 10 offense in points scored? If so, I think that will be evidence that the new guy is doing better.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Takes one to know one...
I understand the whole, “If you think you can do any better, here!” argument, but I look at it this way: I’m a purchasing agent in a manufacturing facillity. I’m not an automobile mechanic. However, if I take my car in for brakes, then on the way home my car is in the ditch because nothing happened when I pushed the brake peddle, I know the mechanic did a lousy job.
Well stated!
especially the:
nothing happened when I pushed the brake peddle
replace “brake” with “gas”, and that describes our offensive performance at times. Like the Steelers O was a souped up muscle car with a sticky throttle.
I just hope we’re all not screaming for the head of the new OC at this time next year.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
True dat, maryrose -
just ask them. Why, on BTSC alone we clearly have thousands of people that know more about football than Bruce…
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 21, 2012 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
Wolfpack makes an excellent point to my sarcasm
But I just think our offensive line has regressed over the last few years to the point of being one of the most dysfunctional lines in the NFL. Yes, we got Pouncey, but he got hurt twice in a row at crunch time when we lost playoff games. Yes, Gilbert was a high pick and might come on, but he was a rookie who was inconsistent. The rest of the bunch was awful. Yeah, Tomlin’s standard is the standard, that’s a good mantra, bou can’t keep shuffling people in and out like they’re bartenders. If you compare the steelers offensive line to every other NFL team in terms of injuries, changes, surgeries, in-game injuries, etc., I can’t believe there has been another NFL team that has had less cohesion, less continuity and less overall effectiveness at that critical component of an offensive team.
I am not making excuses. You lose you lose. Other teams go through adversity. I get that. But I honestly don’t think many fans realize how improbable Arians’ job has been with that offensive line.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
His job certainly has been "improbable" over the past few years...
but seriously folks….
I wonder how the new OC and new & and improved O line (hopefully with a ‘healthy Colon’ all through next year) will do. I hope very, very, very well.
I think a lot depends on how the OC is able to work with BB and get him to use checkdowns, RB screens, and to just throw the GD ball away when it’s hopeless.
Having a healthy line to work with helps a lot, but IIRC, Ben had FOREVER to get rid of the ball on the play when he got injured in Cleveland. A lot of our problems down the stretch had to do with Ben’s injury, and that wasn’t the line’s fault.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
GB
They had a pretty bad line and dealt with injuries and turnover as well, even over the past few years yet finished top 10 in yards and points the last 5 years. It’s one thing to have a crappy line and not adjust your playcalling and philosophy to your teams weakness, and another to have a crappy line and pretend that you don’t and that’s what Arians did. If your line sucks then you have to call different plays than if you have 5 all-pros across the front and that never seemed to dawn on BA. Predictability is a major problem with a suspect line, as is never calling plays to slow down the pass rush like RB screens, rollouts, snapping the ball on different counts, quick slants, and calling quicker developing plays, that is on BA to scheme around his porous line and he never did.
by SteelCity G on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
If you compare the steelers offensive line to every other NFL team in terms of injuries, changes, surgeries, in-game injuries, etc., I can’t believe there has been another NFL team that has had less cohesion, less continuity and less overall effectiveness at that critical component of an offensive team.
maryrose, I know the Giants and Packers have both had lots of injuries to their Offensive Lines throughout the season— as much so as the Steelers. And neither offense seemed to miss a beat. Every team deals with injuries. Even when the Starks returned and the Steelers were starting a decent O-Line, they still had shortcomings in the redzone—- which was always my biggest complaint about Arians. I just don’t buy the injuries as an excuse and apparently neither does Rooney.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 21, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
we also have our share that know more about offense coordinators than the Rooneys
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 21, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
if that's what its gonna take to make you guys better next season....
congratulations and bring it on. You guys being good makes us guys good.
Formerly 88Keys
On the fence is exactly right
I feel I always give a pretty unbiased fair look at our guys. And honestly BA had games where he was just flat out brilliant. And often we started our halves very well.
What I saw was that if BA’s plan doesn’t work out, then he can’t adjust and just looks frazzled. The playcalling melts down to a random grab bag, and whatever WAS working is abandoned.
You mention that talent at WR, QB, and RB. Those positions are not all BA’s doing, those are people that have been scouted, drafted, trained, and played. They all have natural ability. To be floating around the middle of the league in every offensive category with that much talent, O-line or no, is absurd.
The Packers O line is awful but they tear people up. The Saints O-line got dominated all night against the 49ers and Breesus still threw for like 500 yards.
A proper scheme can make up for inefficiencies, and we’ve never found a way to do that with BA.
by Mechem on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Yes
Well stated
I will add that Bree’s checked down to sproules like 14 times when protection broke down. Mendy had 18 catches all year. BA didn’t build in check downs in most of his plays AND didn’t teach Ben when to do it
Not rocket science but beyond BA for some reason
today is my birthday!
and this is the best birthday present ever.
Hey better birthday present from Baltimore we will give you Cam Cameron as you new Offensive Coordinator
Thanks,
but no thanks. Nice of you to think of us, though…
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by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 21, 2012 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
I’d prefer a Ravens Superbowl loss, please.
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 21, 2012 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry could not resist
Glad see Ben got the monkey off his back. He can concentrate on getting healthy
I dunno'.
I have been on the fence about Arians as well. I remember a time when I jumped on the fire BA bandwagon, but I think that was a knee jerk reaction to a terrible offensive display one Sunday. In any event, he is gone, and that is that. Whether or not he deserved to be let go sooner is moot at this point. There are two things that concern me moving foward. The first is obvious…,who will replace him? The fear of the unknown… very unsettling. The second issue to think about is how will Large Benjamin respond? He has the physical tools to be the best Steelers QB ever…. Sorry Terry. Will he take advantage of the change? Embrace the challenge and actually work at getting better not only physically, but mentally? Or will he sulk around like a school girl that just got grounded for a bad report card? I really think that the only thing holding BB back is BB…aside from injuries, of course, and that a change will be good for him as he moves into the second stage of his career.
"I've been trying to justify you, in the end i will just defy you" Dream Theater
by OhioYinzer on Jan 21, 2012 9:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Gilbride
I would take him over Arians any day of the week. The Giants look pretty good on offense when healthy and Eli has developed to almost elite status as a QB under Gilbride.
So, just what
are all the yutzes who sign off with “FIRE ARIANS” and sign onto message boards with the sole intention of spewing anit-Arians vitriol after every game going to do now?
ie: who will the blamethrowers target now? I’m thinking that Tomlin’s job just got a lot harder.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
As of right now we still have William Gay, Suisham, and Kemo
The haters will have a little more ammo left.
I felt he was a good designer of plays
but had no feel for situational football. Just look back to 2009 during the nightmare that was the Kansas City game, late in the 4th quarter he calls a HB pitch to MeMo, who was our slowest RB at the time, and the play loses 3 yards we punt and lose in OT. The the brilliant run, run, pass, punt offense he devised to keep the clock running in the 4th quarter in most games.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
True
In SB XLIII, that TE screen to Miller was an awesome play, but you could also only call it once because it was so easily defended if expected. I had never seen that before.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Arians
Be careful of what you wish for. comes to mind. after hearing the news.
My jaw dropped after:
On one hand, I see where maybe a change in the offensive approach was needed
I have much optimism now, that frankly, was missing from our previous offensive scheme. After a few years of our Arians/Ben offense, I was less than enthusiastic seeing them take the field.
Hopefully this will relieve Dick Lebeau, of having to devise a way for the D to score points, because the offense can’t.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
However, change isn’t always a good thing. As Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette talked about in his article today, the Steelers haven’t exactly had a great track-record with bringing in new offensive coordinators.
Two of those coordinators were put in the unfortunate position of having Kordell Stewart as their quarterback. I am very confident that the new OC will fare much, much better with Roethlisberger and the other talent he (or she) will have to work with.
......
Has there ever been a female coach in any position on an NFL team?
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Had we won I probably would have started working out some time in March. I started yesterday.
-Ryan Clark
Why do I ask questions I am just going to Google anyway?
No, there hasn’t.
Although, I disagree somewhat with WHY. Why should someone have to play a position to coach it? I’m sure there are geniuses out there more then capable of being an OC/DC.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Had we won I probably would have started working out some time in March. I started yesterday.
-Ryan Clark
Arians was
Competent as an OC, but he was unmercifully predictable (seriously, there are games me and my friends will AMAZE those around us by calling 6-7 plays in a row, before they happen.) and too determined to “stick to the gameplan.” This is what really hurts us in big games when our Oline is patchwork at best.
This is the NFL. Competency alone is not acceptable. We need a shake up of the offense.
WE NEED TO NEVER RUN ANOTHER BUBBLE SCREEN AGAIN.
I can understand the apprehension, but that stat about not having success with OC’s is skewed. We never had an elite QB for them to work around. What needs to happen now is the FO needs pony up some dough. SPEND SOME MONEY and get someone good. There are 3 viable outside candidates, and not one inside that looks all that great. This offense needs a MASSIVE shakeup, so lets give them one. Someone unfamiliar and unwilling to put up with Ben being Diva when the time comes.
That’s just my two cents. I’m not even worried. If it doesn’t work out, just strip the new OC of his power and let Ben call the plays. Still better then letting the opposing defense call our plays before we even break huddle.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Had we won I probably would have started working out some time in March. I started yesterday.
-Ryan Clark
Let me let y’all in on a little secret. I live in central NJ, and as such get a heavy dose of Jets, Giants, and Eagles football. I recently lived in Cleveland and Baltimore for a few months each. Here it is: EVERY FANBASE HATES THEIR OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.
None of us fans claim we can pass block better than Jonathan Scott, hit the hole harder than Mendenhall, or run routes better than Mike Wallace. But we all think we are fully capable of calling plays far better than whichever scapegoat is already doing it.
But this simply isn’t true. You think by watching a 3 hour game you can come up with a better gameplan than the coaching staff who watched hundreds of hours of film that week? The coaches are doing what they think will win the game; and agree or disagree with the specifics of it, this team won 12 games.
When Jets fans were calling for Brian Schottenheimer’s head, I called up Mike Francesa, the top rated NY sports show host, and told him how every fanbase does this, and he said “could not agree more. It’s about personnel first, and coaching second”.
The Steelers do not currently have the personnel. The issues on the O-line MUST be fixed, or whichever recently fired head coach everybody here is clamoring for will do no better of a job than Bruce did.
by jedmiller71 on Jan 21, 2012 7:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
From the way a lot of you are lamenting the release of Arians, he should be getting a ton of job offers as we speak. The phone should be ringing off the hook any second now. Shhh. Listen for it. Shhhh. Listen……shhhhh
He wasn’t released, he retired.
by jedmiller71 on Jan 21, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His contract wasn't set to be renewed.
That’s a really nice way of saying, “You will no longer be working here next year.” He chose to retire and save some face.
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Had we won I probably would have started working out some time in March. I started yesterday.
-Ryan Clark
HAPPY NEW YEAR STEELER NATION!!!!!
FIRST THINGS FIRST, PUT MENDENHALL UP FOR A FIRST ROUND QUALITY DRAFT CHOICE, LET’S GET OURSELVES A QUALITY YOUNG OFFENSIVE LINEMEN TO HELP OUT POUNCEY & GILBERT. UNLEASH THE HORSES IN REDMAN, DWYER, CLAY, MOORE,. I BELIEVE WE CAN GET 3 REAL GOOD LINEMEN IN THE FIRST 5 ROUNDS, GET RID OF WILLIE COLON, ( MAN HE CAN’T EVEN BLOCK THE SUN FROM HITTING BIG BEN) LAGURSKY HAS DONE A STAND UP JOB WHEN ASKED, GIVE HIM A SHOT. LET’S INVEST IN PROTECTING BIG BEN, KEEP HIM HEALTHY. OHH AND TRY TO FIND 2 MORE D’BACK’S AND GET RID OF GAY & McFADDEN THEY SUCK TOO….
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Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions

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