The Pittsburgh Steelers 1st round pick should be...
Right now, we could all agree that the Steelers 3 main areas of concern are Oline, DT/nose guard, and DB going into this offseason. You could argue about some other positions that need to be addressed before those, but let's stick with those 3. Currently, the Steelers are sitting with the 24th pick. In accordance with the Steelers draft strategy of picking the best player available, let's assume when the 24th pick rolls around there's a OL, DT, and DB all of the same value (and better value than any other player).
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I lean towards the NT as the 1st Round choice.
While I agree that we need to grab at least 2 o-linemen this year, from reading all of the mocks and college reviews it sounds as if there are quite a few options and a fairly deep pool of talent for the line.
However, I believe we are in more dire straits to get Big Snack’s replacement on the roster now. With Hoke a question, and Snack having to rehab an ACL (no surgery????), that really leaves only McClendon on the roster. I like McClendon quite a bit, but don’t feel that at his weight he can last an entire season as the main guy. I want him on the team but I’m not ready to say he’s the starter.
NT is a harder position to find for our system, so unless the kid from Washington is there in R2 (and by the way he was projected as a 1st R guys before this season started so that tells us he has some questions), I think we should get the kid from Memphis and go o-line in R2.
I disagree
Lets give our new OC a chance, and not put him behind the eight ball, that is our O-line. I say take an O-lineman in the first, (all else being equal) and give the O a real opportunity.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Good thought, and I won't argue the point too much.
I’m just really concerned about the NT position right now. There are only a few NT’s out there to start with, and if we wait to grab one until later on this year or next year, the D-line is going to be a question heading into next season. We ended up # 1 in yards and pts yet my feeling is that if we had more pressure from the front 3 (and LB’s), the turnovers would have been higher. 20+ pts to Denver scares me – let’s face that they aren’t the Pats – and if we drop off a little next year on Defense, I’m not sure that the O can win too many shoot-outs.
Does an o-lineman help? Probably yes. Does it have to be a 1st R guy? Not necessarily.
Guess we'll just disagree
We ended up # 1 in yards and pts
On the D, exactly. Yet the O was 21st in points. No wonder you don’t like the O in a shootout!
What helps the offense or defense the most? Probably the first round pick. Who would that benefit the most, the first ranked D, or the twenty-first ranked O?
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
We have the potential to win either way.
But I’m thinking that a pocket moving, run-stopping NT that gets pressure on the QB would benefit us more right now. I think McClendon had a sack or two this year, but it would be nice to have the NT slot give us some more. Not a gurantee, I understand, but younger/stronger sounds good to me.
Not that a 1st R Guard wouldn’t help us, I’m just seeing a bigger need with Snack running down and coming off an ACL, all the questions about the cap issues and Hoke probably retiring. I’m also stuck thinking that a quality NT is harder to find.
Guess you could make the argument that a stud guard has been hard to find as well as of late….
Surely
good arguments can be made for either side. But to me, a need that we’ve had for a few years, trumps one, that we will probably have this year.
If all else is equal, where is the better value? In a two down NT, or a three down guard?
In reference to:
But I’m thinking that a pocket moving, run-stopping NT that gets pressure on the QB would benefit us more right now.
That may be a tall order. They call nose tackles, “two down linemen” for a reason. Casey Hampton, one of the best NTs, only has 9 sacks, in his entire 11 year career.
I’m also stuck on the “all things being equal” part. The D is #1, the O is #21. Clearly, an O-lineman can help guard against that imbalance (pun fully intended). And just as clearly, the offense needs more help.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
How about Ngata from the Ravens?
While I’m sure he gets a breather from time to time, I’m pretty sure he plays more than just 2 downs. Or maybe it’s just that against the Steelers he always seems to be in BB’s face.
Yep, the O is # 21 and needs help. I just think there are more quality lineman/guards than there are NT’s available, so the odds are better that we could grab one in R2.
There are a lot of good gaurds in this draft
we can find a really good one in the second round because of teams having bigger needs and some teams not needing gaurds at all.
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Hoke and McClendon are the reason I don't choose a NT
but you do bring up a good point about it McClendon being the only sure thing at this point. Another reason is in year’s past I remember the 3rd or 4th best NT lasting into the 3-4th round, so I’m sure we could pick up a quality guy in round 2 or 3, have him develop a year or so and then start when we need him to
I think Hoke is done for.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I think you're right, unfortunately
With his age and a neck injury (that sounded like it could effect his nerves if re-injured) I think Hoke will hang up his spurs. It’s a shame. Hoke was stone solid.
All the more reason to address the middle of the Dline.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
He already said he was retiring
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be ok with the scenario of
the 3rd or 4th best lasting into later rounds. I’m just not sure if the 3rd or 4th best is what we need. I see Worfolk and our own Snack lasting so long in the league in part because quality NT’s are harder to find.
If you can come up with some examples, I could be swayed…I’m at a loss at recalling any who fit that description myself.
2-3 Best NT go by round 2
Looking back on the 2 previous drafts it looks like the #1-3 NT’s are gone by mid 2nd round, so if we want to wait till the 2nd round to address those needs, one of the top tier guys could drop to us. The #4-6 rated NT’s really drop off from there and could be drafted anywhere between late 3 to 6th round
I don't like those odds.
I think there’s a much better chance of getting a good guard in R2 than nose-tackle.
The front office has spoken
I think it’s clear whith the retirement of BA, forced or otherwise, the front office (Art Rooney) is saying we have to get better offensively. Specifically, we need more young, capable offensive lineman.
However, I do not think we should reach for an OL. If they are all of equal value as this sceanario suggest then too me, it’s an easy choice.
I say we get whoever is the BPA.
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and lets not waste our time getting all yammered up issuing fan posts bout any free agents.
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by steelerstyle on Jan 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
NFL Draft
1. Best offensive guard after David DeCastro from Stanford(Cordy Glenn from Georgia or Brandon Washington from Miami Fla. However, if nose tackle Dontari Poe from Memphis(Sylvester Williams from North Carolina or Alameda Ta’amu from Washington) falls to us at pick 24. He is Steelers nose tackle for next 10 years.
2. either offensive guard or nose tackle not selected in first round.
3. inside linebacker Audie Cole from N.C. State if available
O-line
Definitely
"I think every quarterback should believe they’re the best. Do I think there are better quarterbacks than me? Possibly. But would I take anyone else with the ball in their hands at the end of the game? I don’t think so." - Ben Roethlisberger-
Ta’amu seems to be projected . . .
. . . as a 2nd rounder. At least it’s starting to seem that way with the few mocks and bits of analysis I’ve already seen. I have an ESPN Insider account and I don’t think Kiper had anyone taking him, not that his opinion necessarily means anything.
Maybe this is good news.
NFL Draft 2012: Alameda Ta’amu Stock Dropping After Alamo Bowlhttp://seattle.sbnation.com/washington-huskies/2012/1/8/2693159/nfl-draft-2012-alameda-taamu-washington-uw-mock-draft-pick
Excerpt
“Though Ta’amu is projected by many NFL mock drafts to go in the second round, some have him slipping into the third round.”
I don’t think Kiper had anyone taking him, not that his opinion necessarily means anything.
Has anyone ever done a study on Kiper’s picks to determine how savvy this guy really is? I hear his name all the time as “the” draft guru, but, like political talking heads, I automatically tend to dis-believe anything such people tell me. Is he any good? The players he touts so heavily, what’s the percentage that pan out the way he says they will?
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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
probably not, but there have been multiple accusations (and the one from that agent last year sounds pretty solid) that he hypes up certain players so they go higher in the draft than they should, then the agent gives him a nice bonus for doing his part to make it happen.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Sources?
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by steelerstyle on Jan 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is the story about the agent, it’s in here.
I can’t remember the other guy that said the same thing right now.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Looks like we "sorta" agree on something
I am not a Mel Kiper fan. My comment is below.
I think Mike Mayock knows his stuff much better
and he admits when he was wrong on a player
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I definitely agree with that
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Kiper has little if any football playing experience. I could be wrong.
I'd like to see the study as well.
For a guy who spends the entire year with this stuff as his job, he’s awfully sensitive on TV when it doesn’t go the way he wants it. Remember a few years back that he go into it with the GM from Colts?
I have to wonder, if he’s so good, how come no one in the NFL has tried to hire him as a GM? I would think the money would be better than what he gets for the draft stuff, yet I can’t recall that becoming even a rumor.
No accountability.
He can say whatever he wants, but if his picks don’t pan out, no one is calling for his head.
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No one calling for HIS head,
but he sure makes it sound, when teams don’t match his picks, as if the GM’s should be taken out and shot!
I trust Mayock
he actually played in the NFL and knows what scouts and coaches are looking for.
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I remember him touting Jimmy Clausen......
It got to be “sickening” after a while. It sounded like he had a “man crush” on him. And now you don’t even hear Clausen’s name mentioned. I remember several years back when one of the team’s management (I think it was the Colt’s) who said “Who the hell is Mel Kiper?”. I don’t place too much credence on what he says. But, I have to give these analysts a lot of credit for the research that they do, but not necessarily the conclusions that they make from it. It would be impossible to say who is “best” at these positions. But it gives you an idea who is “good” at this juncture of their career. There are SO many players in colleges and I am sure that MANY go unnoticed. And it is not always easy to get noticed unless you have someone “with a recognizable” name touting you.
There are SO many players in colleges and I am sure that MANY go unnoticed
which is what makes the Steelers’ success, led by its scouts, and Kevin Colbert, so amazingly good in what they do.
Evidence #1 – Antonio Brown
Evidence #2 – Isaac Redman, etc.
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Hope they do the same this year also. Would be great if we could pick up “sleeper” OL and a “sleeper” NT.
DB is not a major need this year
Beyond Taylor and Gay we have 3 very talented backups with starting potential. Ryan mundy is an excellent backup at safety. First rd should be best available NT, OL, or ILB. Even with our salary cap problems, and possible losses via free agency, I am confident that we are going to see a much improved team next season.
When you consider that we can/will be improving on a 12-4 playoff team with younger talent I get pretty excited.
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You are correct
We have loads of talent. Our young guys grew up a lot this year. Barring early injuries and improvement in our OL, we should be ready to take that crown next year. We need to have a strong/progressive OC who will take charge and make wise decisions. The talent is there for him. I do not think that we will lose anyone of significance in Free Agency. We just need to get rid of the “dead weight” and make room in the Salary Cap.
IF Mark Barron is still there at 24, he will be hard to pass up
Otherwise the OG from Wisconsin works for me.
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by SteelerMessican on Jan 21, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions
OL
NT can be manned by Hood or McLendon, DB is not a starter need.
OL is a complete shambles with Gilbert and Colon the only decent OT under contract and desperate need at OG for years running…
by Steely McSmash on Jan 22, 2012 12:48 AM EST reply actions
Hood is not a NT
You’re basically saying that any one of our d-linemen can play that spot, which is not true at all.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 22, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I voted nose tackle
but it certainly makes sense to restructure Casey’s contract and/or go with a rotation of Hood and McLendon. I think you’ll see a big improvement in Heyward from yr 1 to 2. Remember the rooks missed all that camp time. Wouldn’t mind an elite guard at this spot or trade up to get Kuechly trade down to get Burfict/Hightower tho.
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I say O-line
But I almost sad D-line for a replacement for Snack.
Let’s not kill our new OC quite yet, let’s give him a “Welcome to the Team” present :)
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Poe is our man
He is a beast, and Hamptons 8 million cap hit will force this pick, as we are way over the cap.. As noted this draft year is filled with a deep OL class, and good lineman are to be found later with our wizards in the FO. I would be very surprised if we took a OL in the first with all the talent there is. I would not be surprised if we picked up Barron(SS) as he is a ball hawk (think troy) with ideal size for the Steelers.
Don't need a DB in 1st round
Unless the DB is ridiculously better than the other available talent, I wouldn’t take a DB in the first 3 rounds. I would think OL, NT or ILB with first pick with my first choice probably being OL but if there the FO thinks there will be good OL prospects in the rounds 2 and 3 then I would take which ever of the other two positions I think will be most difficult to fill.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 22, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions
When the hell is everyone going to shut up about our DB's?
- against the pass all year. Seriously. One play, and it’s hit the panic button time.
How about our 3rd and 4th round picks from last year? Curtis Brown and Cortez Allen. Keenan Lewis stepped up pretty well this season, and Gay was able to bump B-Mac to ST play.
I say get Kemoeatu the hell out of here. Get rid of Max Starks too. Starks looks like he has gum on his shoes, and Kemo can’t hold a block to save his life. Great pulling guard, but terrible in pass-pro.
My final say is make a trade with Miami for Mike Pouncey, and draft the best LT you can get.
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Starks look like had gum on his shoes when he screwed up his knee
but he saved our season, if Jon Scott starts everygame this year we don’t get to the playoffs let alone .500 because he gets Ben killed at some point
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with Steel Spike about our DB's
I think that we are in good shape with DB’s now that the rookies have one year under their belt and Keenan Lewis and Gay have improved tremendously. Also Ryan Mundy has gotten better. A NT providing pressure up the middle would help tremendously because it would put pressure on the opposing QB to release the pass more quickly. Am thinking that Heyward will surpass Ziggy at LDE. Wouldn’t mind seeing Ziggy adding a few more pounds (of muscle) and switching to NT. It is not as difficult a switch as many might think. He just has to adapt to more trap blocking and practice his swim move and strong initial thrust. The rest will come with more snaps. He is said to be the strongest player on the team. He needs to be VERY serious with his preparation over the summer (as does many others).
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The Pittsburgh Steelers 1st round pick should be…the Best Player Available.
Taking the OP’s idea that all three guys are equal (something that can’t happen, by definition, on a draft board), then you take the highest valued position. The OP aggregated the OL, which isn’t the right thing to do since some positions, like LT, are more highly valued than others (RG, for example). So I’d take the LT before I’d take a comparable DT – or trade the pick to someone who needed a LT. It’s the most valued position.
But assuming that players were weighted by position and all was equal, I’d take the DT as it’s the biggest position of need. Casey’s injury is a problem. Casey’s cap number is a major problem and will prevent him from coming back without serious renegotiation of his deal. Hoke isn’t coming back and that leaves McClendon or moving Ziggy to DT. Hence we absolutely need a DT right now.
Poe in the 1st.
Sign a solid OG in FA and take another in the 2nd round. Then grab an ILB in the 3rd. And yesterday taught me that we need a bad-ass kicker in this draft too- ha!
I think that our most valuable person will be......
the person who is working out the contracts that helps to give us “cap space”. I am not in favor of holding on to our vets who are past their prime and are not producing. We need to get over the sentimentality and thank (respectfully) these vets for what they have done for the organization and release them to find employment elsewhere – if possible. After all, as the saying goes – “it is a business”. We have a lot of “in-house cleaning” that needs to be done. It’s tough – but it NEEDS to be done.
Agreed
It is tough but the time has come. Because of the cap situation, the blood letting may be more vicious than we have seen in quite awhile. I see 5-10 roster spots that could be cleared and replaced through draft and possible trades. That could be reduced through significant contract adjustments but some guys may not work for less than half of what they have been making.
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