Joe Paterno Passes Away
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 22, 2012 10:26 AM EST
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PrintThis is a sad and momentous day if you are a follower of Pennsylvania sports. Joe Paterno has been a constant in the Pa sports world for over 40 years. We speak of the stability and longevity of Steelers coaches, but Paterno's career began before the Steelers run and has spanned that entire Steelers run. The current scandal cannot mar the body of work and I for one want to salute the man.
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Very well said
Joe might not always be there physically, but he'll always be there in spirit.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 22, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions
Rest In Peace Joe!
My thoughts and prayers to the Paterno family.
Rest in peace, JoePa
My heart is heavy and my prayers to the Paterno and Penn State family at this sad, sad time. JoePa’s accomplishments speak for themselves, now it’s our job to make sure they’ll always be remembered. He was a champion for student athletes everywhere.
College football is better because Joe Paterno was a large part of it.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Rest in Peace, Joe Paterno...
…may your legacy be remembered for the good you did the majority of your life, and not just the most recent events.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
SB NATION RETRACTS REPORT OF PATERNO PASSING
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Link to SB Nation retraction:
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Check out Sportscenter
they’ve been on it since about 11am
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Rest in Peace, JoePa
Hopefully Penn State can find someone as amazing as you in the future, though I doubt your greatness can be copied.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
RIP Joe Pa
You did great things for the landscape of College Football and hopefully people remember you for all the good you did and not the recent events. Let us all use your final words to the public as a motto for the rest of our lives. “I wish I did more” is truly a great motto to live by and is something we all will say at one point or another. RIP Joe Paterno
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
RIP Joe Paterno
Your opinion of his handling of the Sandusky issues aside, the fact is that Joe Pa had an incredible, positive and lasting impact on countless lives. When a good person dies, people should take notice. People should be changed. A grandfather to all of Pennsylvania, he will never be forgotten. May you rest in peace Joe Pa, knowing how you’ve touched the hearts of many and will remain there forever.
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
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RIP Joe
Sadly for a lot of people he will be remembered for the scandal, erasing in their minds the decades he tried to make his players better people by the time they left Happy Valley..
by BlackandGoldTSgt on Jan 22, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions
RIP JoePa....
…and thanks to his family and his Penn State family who stood by him in his final days. A special thanks to those who stood by him in the face of public opinion, and those who might have paid a price for doing so.
Nothing can erase the shame and horror of the Sandusky scandal, and Joe goes to his grave wishing that he had done more when he first learned of the abuse. The real victims were and are the children, and the entire Penn State family let them down.
But Joe Paterno did so much good for so many people for so many years that his legacy of good works will live on. He was a good and decent man, and a remarkable leader who did his best and generously gave his all to Penn State.
May he rest in peace, and may his name be as a blessing for his family, his friends, and those who knew him.
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by Homer J. on Jan 22, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
truely a very sad day
a great man and a great role model
so now he will face the ultimate truth on whether he knew or not
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 AM EST reply actions
God bless Joe Paterno
And all the haters can eat shit and die.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
by showtime on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
i'd stake my life on it
man did more good than most people ever will in their lives…even with this scandal
WTF kind of statement is this?
You certainly don’t know. Can’t you keep this kind of BS out of here? Not even for this?
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
RIP JoePa
But, my opinions of you are forever changed. Someone had an interesting MLK Jr. quote yesterday, that I think fits my opinion on him:
The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
You could have done more, Joe. You could have done more.
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by John Stephens on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
The good that that man did in his whole 85 years on this earth outweighs the wrong by a mile. He’s helped thousands of kids, families, etc. He gave back to his community and was an amazing human being through and through and that is what he should be remembered by.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
by Riddlah. on Jan 23, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes in their lives
which is why you should always remember the good and move on from the bad
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 23, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
A guy I know killed someone with a hammer.
It was a huge mistake he would take back if he could….Either way hes in prison for natural life.
I don’t/won’t get into a huge fight about it, but doing a lot of good doesn’t justify doing some bad. If I save the likes of 10 people, I’m not entitled to ruin someone’s.
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by John Stephens on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not entitled to ruin someone’s
No, but that is not what happened. Sandusky ruined the lives of those kids, not Paterno.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Knowing that it is happening and doing the very least to stop is a pretty awful thing to do. No amount of children he helped will ever fix the lives of the children he chose to ignore.
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by John Stephens on Jan 23, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
That’s your opinion. In my opinion, the THOUSANDS of lives he bettered made him a damn fine human being and one who should always be remembered for what he gave back to countless people, not for what some child-molester did. People make mistakes, some larger than others, but you have to weigh the good against the bad and for Paterno, the good easily comes out on top. He was a better man than 99.999% of the human population and it is sad that no one will remember him for that.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
He was a better man than 99.999% of the human population and it is sad that no one will remember him for that.
I sincerely hope that is not true.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
It appears that it was unclear to Paterno what actually took place
And I disagree that it’s his responsibility to chase a 3rd hand account to the police when he handed it off to his superiors. These are university administrators of a world class institution. Put yourself in Joe’s shoes. Why would you think you had any further responsibility? It’s absurd to think they would cover up something like that up. I don’t understand how this has all blown up on to Joe. I vehemently disagree with these notions and I’m trying very hard to be respectful about it in this post.
Now there are some bad people up there in State College, but just because Joe was the figurehead it doesn’t mean he’s freakin’ Chuck Norris up there.
You would think Steelers fans would understand the horrifying pandora’s box that opens up with rape allegations. Much of what was reported is garbage. The sheep ate that up and now are spewing hate in every direction. Sound familiar?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
Life's Math Equation
Add up all the things you did right in your life, and then subtract all the things you did wrong in life. Total it up and see where you are at.
Joe Paterno’s number is ridiculously high. Has done more for people (especially kids) in his lifetime than anyone posting here can possibly fathom. He made mistakes, but he was human. The sum of his life deserves far better than what he has received-HATE.
And from people who will have .005% the positive impact on other lives that Joe had.
Exactly.
No one on this board will ever give back the way he did, so I don’t even understand how some of the people here can judge him and insult his memory the way they do.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You seem to be angrier at Joe Pa than Sandusky, and I honestly find that disturbing.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I can understand why you would think that.
Although thats not the case. I just get angry whenever children are harmed…be it directly or indirectly.
As well you should.
But the man reported it and it was handled by the DA’s office. What more does he need to do?
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
"Hows that rape victims memory??"
For a Steelers fan of all people to have the nerve to say something like that is despicable. It looks like you’ve made an apology thread since this but I want you to know this is disgusting. You’re nothing but a troll.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
So
I am a Steelers fan not a Penn State fan or obviously a Joe Pa fan. Whats despicable to me is doing the bare minimum for a child rape victim. Responding to a comment posted three days before, AFTER an apology has been poste is trolling…….Just so you understand completely, I apologized for my use of profanity not my views.
And I apologize for nothing
People like you don’t deserve to be able to share your opinions with the world. Your obscene straw man arguments are the same BS I’ve had to read about OUR Quarterback the last 2 years and yet you see no irony in using them against PSU fans. Then again maybe it’s not ironic and you’re one of the morons that believes Ben is a rapist. Either way I have no use for you.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
Hey, it was only two days this time!!
Show me where I said anything about PSU fans. Thats right, I didnt. Try again. Youre mother should apologize for not aborting.
"Youre mother should apologize for not aborting."
Listen to you. I’m a Steelers fans like you. It sickens me to read stuff like this. You sicken me.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
listen. Let me straighten you out.
FUCK OFF
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
Joe Paterno Was A Great Man To The End.
Count me as one who stood up for Joe throughout.
I took the time to investigate what was being said about a great man because he deserved that much. I read the indictment. It was enlightening. I read what was being written by those who were digging, not just reacting. I listened to the interviews. I got the facts.
So, here we go:
McQuery (SP?) sees something at the Penn State facility. As stated by him it is disturbing and he goes to the home of his father and tells him what he saw. His father and he decide it is best to tell his superior, Joe Paterno, which he does the next day. Joe Paterno informs his imediate superior, Mr. Curley (Also SP?), the athletic director. They both meet with Mr. Shultz, the Vice President of Business and Finance and inform him. Then Mr. Shultz and Mr. Curley meet with Mike McQuery and get his side of the story.
At this point, it appears that Mr. Shultz and Mr. Curley failed to run a proper investigation, if any. This is where those who like to just react and make proclimations of “He had a moral responsibility to do more” jump the gun.
Let’s dig deeper. Let us remember that Joe Paterno was acting on what amounted to heresay. He whitnessed nothing, had no personal knowledge, and no way of knowing the truth. But, he acted on what he was TOLD. He acted by going to Curley and Shultz. Now, going to Curley seems logical because he is Joe’s superior, but did you ever ask why they went to Shultz? It’s because he oversaw the campus police (To be clear, the campus police are a fully functioning police force with jurisdiction over the campus of Penn State. The State College Police have no jurisdiction on campus). So Joe took heresay to the top cop.
What was his responsibility past that? Was he, a football coach, albeit a powerful one, supposed to run a police investigation himself? Was he going to get the police to discuss an ongoing investigation with him, a third party, someone with no standing in the case? Was he supposed to go to the press with heresay? I ask you what he was supposed to do after delivering what little he knew to the police, the ones who in society investigate crimes?
Let’s talk about the star whitness here, McQuery. There was a family friend and doctor at the the senior McQuery’s house the night Mike McQuery brought his predicament home. He heard the whole thing and even asked, four seperate times, if Mike had seen any actual sexual contact. Four seperate times, Mike McQuery replied, “No”. So, when Joe Paterno said he was never told of anything of a sexual nature, we can believe him. But let’s take a look at Mike McQuery and his stated behavior. If he says he saw more than people say he reported, now, why didn’t he take any sort of action then? I mean, come on, does that make any sense that McQuery saw more than others are saying he initially reported and walked away from a grown man sexually molesting a ten year old child? I think not, unless Mike McQuery is as criminal as Sandusky.
But, if you have read all that was written, you will see Mike McQuery has changed his story depending on who he was comunicating with. Mike McQuery was the only person with actual first hand knowledge of what happened in that shower, he is the only one who can be held accountable for not taking what in hindsight was the appropriate action.
Joe Paterno was a football coach with what was probably far to much power. But there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that he used that power not for himself, but for the rest of us. He preached education, not football. He used football to get young men their educations. He made the world a better place.
Along the way, he made some mistakes like all of the rest of, but, he did much, much more good than most of the rest of us, not only by his deeds helping others in their life but by setting an example for so many. Not a good example, a great example.
In the end, the news media took a sensational story and tied it to Joe with far too few facts and far too much rehtoric. And the public, without giving a man the respect and effort to verify what was being said and written aided in destroying a GREAT man. And this is what gets me, a good and kind man who worked for so much good was so easily, and with so much gusto utterly destroyed in the public eye. The shame I feel for my university (We know they didn’t have the power to out Joe, but that they rode in on the backs of abused children and fired him… for more football wins) and the public as a whole for not only letting this happen, but for participating, is indescribable.
Did Joe stand up an defend himself? No. Why? Because even then, when the university had let him down, it was he that still had the university in mind. “I should have done more”, was his way of taking the hit for the university. I don’t think he should have done more. If you think he should have done more, I ask you, what are you doing for the abused children of the world? They are all around us. Have you written your congressman for stiffer panalties? Offered to house an abused child? Unless you’re doing more, don’t say he should have done more. I have done more. I accused a friend of molesting his children. I don’t think Joe should have done more.
Joe Paterno, died a great man with no taint on his legacy and will forever be remembered as a great man by those who know the facts. Rest in peace Joe, some of us know and will never stop telling others.
by WyoFan on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Funny you ask...
We just raised 75000 to open a childrens safety center in my town of Bourbonnais..The benefit was a few weeks ago….Thats what we, as a community did……We want to protect our children from these monsters. Give me a minute and I will try and find the link…..Anyway, THATS what I/we do where I come from.
How much of said money
did you donate?? Let me guess, $100k ??
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
Hmmm
DId I donate 100 grand to a benefit that raised 75000??? Are you mentally handicapped? If so I will answer even though it is absolutely none of your or anyone elses business. I donated 150$. I am not a wealthy person and donated what I could. The community that I live in raised that much money, with a lot of people like me (not wealthy) donating what they could. If you are insinuating that i didnt do enough because I didnt donate 100K, I dont know what to tell you, as I dont earn that in a year. ……I have been off of this thread for over 12 hours, and have apologized on this and another post for using profanity….but you are really testing my nerves..if you would like to continue..email me and I will tell you what I really think of you….justsik33@yahoo.com
Hold your horses
tough guy. I was obviously being facetious. I dont need your email address so you can send me some profanity-laced rant that would make me laugh for days.
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
Too bad most Paterno-haters are too stupid to read or else they would look at your post and understand that Paterno isn’t the bad guy here. It’s sad that people hate Paterno for something someone else did, honestly.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
It’s too bad that you are so caught up insulting people that you can’t consider both sides of an argument.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
First laugh of this whole thread!
You win the prize!! Thanks, klompus… perfect timing
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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haha
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
What a crock
Did Joe stand up an defend himself? No. Why? Because even then, when the university had let him down, it was he that still had the university in mind. "I should have done more", was his way of taking the hit for the university. I don’t think he should have done more. If you think he should have done more, I ask you, what are you doing for the abused children of the world? They are all around us. Have you written your congressman for stiffer panalties? Offered to house an abused child? Unless you’re doing more, don’t say he should have done more. I have done more. I accused a friend of molesting his children. I don’t think Joe should have done more.
HE should have done more because HE was involved, DIRECTLY – don’t be a sheep. he had an obligation to get that man brought to justice, that was the minimum in his position. Hell, it happened on the school grounds, in the football showers – that makes him directly responsible. He DID NOT do was was required of him. He wasn’t taking one for the school – HE FAILED those children.
Wake up
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
He Was NOT Involved
Look up the definition of involvement and directly, please. He was a third party to something he had NOTHING to do with. Show me the proof that he had any first hand knowledge. There is none. Period. There is however, a mountain of proof that Joe Paterno was a fine, decent human being who had a positive impact on a great many people. There is a long list of people who failed those children and Joe Paterno is not on it.
You are mistaken, Joe Paterno did do what was required of him, that has never been in doubt. He was required to report what little he knew to the police, which he did. This is proved when you read the indictment. People seem to think, you included, that Joe, because of his position, had more power to bring criminals to justice. It is easy to think and say that, but put some thought into the reality of the situation and you will see that in the end he was just t football coach who heard something. He acted on what he heard.
I don’t understand your reasoning that he is directly responsible because something happened in a football building. Again use the word “Directly”. Again, I don’t think properly in this context. I think you mean indirectly. The building is not Joe’s property, he doesn’t manage it, and he was certainly no where near it when the incident happened. He oversaw football activities that happened in the building, indirectly.
You say don’t be a sheep, I say, right back at you. Do some digging, learn what the man was about on your own, don’t just accept the superficial and sensational stories the media is feeding you.
Yes, DIRECTLY. Obviously you have never been a leader of men
You are DIRECTLY responsible for whatever happens on your watch. You don’t have to like it, but that is how it works, especially when you are turning a blind eye. Everyone is quick to talk about his legacy and the 62 years on campus, but now you want to say that he doesn’t own the building, so he isn’t at fault. BS, you can’t hand him everything in one sentence and then take away all culpability in the next. His watch, his staff, his friend, his organization, his reputation, no one every questioned what part of Penn State belong to Joe Pa before now, excuses, excuses, excuses.
You also seem to mis-understand how Policing entities work. There are many different levels, Campus police is like building security, they have the companies interest at heart, not the community or the state of the federal or the families. He could have gone to Local, County, State, and FBI if he thought he didn’t get the results from the one previous, but that would have reflected poorly on his organization as a whole and no one wants that kind of attention not on our beloved Penn State oh no sir! You can wallow in the denial all you want, he not only could have, but should have done more.
And so you don’t mis-interperet again – all of the right he did does not matter, it’s the wrong that matters. It doesn’t matter that he gave tons of money to the school, it doesn’t matter that he required good grades to be part of his program, it doesn’t matter that he mentored many men, all of the good things are out the window because the bad was THAT bad.
As my grand father used to say: "it takes 1,000 “ata’boys” to make a “good Job” and only one “aww shit” to mess it all up."
Guess what? Awww shit.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Of Course Not...
Another unsubstantiated answer. You know nothing about me other than I support the Steelers and Joe Paterno, yet you have drawn another conclusion based on no facts. And now, you have attacked me. Please try to stick to the topic of discussion.
You can not defend your position with cliches about “Your watch”. By your reasoning, the Govenor and President of the United States are culpable. It was their watch too. That is just a cliche. I’m still asking for facts. What facts can you offer?
You make a good point about levels of law enforcement. Again, I will state that the local police (i.e. the State College Police) have no jurisdiction on the campus of Penn State. That being said, I’m sure that the State Police do. And, ultimately, it is the State Police that are leading this investigation and leveling the charges. So, yes, if Joe had felt srongly enough, he could have gone to the State Police with what he was told. This is the only area of doubt I can find. And again, you are not going to like my answer: I will defer to the judgement of a man who throughout his whole life proved to be a thoughtful, caring, hard working, moral individual.
I can’t argue your point about campus police, because in this case it appears that Mr. Shultz put the image of the school ahead of doing a proper investigation. I can suppose, not argue, because I have no facts, that Joe did not know that the campus police did not investigate. If you have facts that contradict this I would like to hear them.
You say could have, and should have done more. Please tell me, in your opinion, what he should have done with the information he had.
Right always matters.
Unsubstantiated yes, but the only logical conclusion based on your position.
You act as if life is full of easy answers and that if it isn’t explicitly spelled out in your contract then you have no liability / culpability in the matter. That is the only reason I can assume you have never been responsible for anything, because it doesn’t work that way. Even if that were how things work, there is STILL the moral responsibility to do more. It also has nothing to do with the cliche of “your watch”, would it have been more appropriate for you if I had said While Joe Paterno was Sandusky’s direct report? Semantics.
I am not sure where you got the impression, but when did I attack you? I have nothing against you personally, I have an issue with your stance on the subject, but I did not attack you and if that is how you feel, I am not sure why.
In my opinion he should have immediately put the man on suspension, prohibited him from stepping foot on campus and contacted the authorities until an investigation was started, if he was cleared of the allegations, Joe did his due diligence and would still need to evaluate whether or not he wanted to work with the man and have him back on staff, but he would have done everything in his power to make sure the truth was known and justice was served. Anything short of that is not enough.
And you are right, Right always matters, I am wrong on that point, I am just very disgusted by this whole thing and made my point poorly. What I should have said is that the bad out weighs the good done (even though he did a lot more good than bad).
If you spend 60 years as a priest giving back to your community, does it make up for that one little rape in HS? That is my point, sometimes all the good you can possibly do doesn’t make up for the bad done, because the bad carries much more weight.
I would have had respect for the man if he had come out and put it out there, but it was swept under the rug and hid for all these years just waiting to come out. In the end he got what he deserved. And it is sad that his legacy is tainted by the actions of another, but ultimately he had the power to act and failed to do so.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
You're talking out of your behind
He could have gone to Local, County, State, and FBI if he thought he didn’t get the results from the one previous, but that would have reflected poorly on his organization as a whole and no one wants that kind of attention not on our beloved Penn State oh no sir! You can wallow in the denial all you want, he not only could have, but should have done more.
All this based on 3rd hand information? Why on Earth should he have to do more than move it up the chain of command when he heard about it 3RD HAND from one of his employees?
And you’re gonna tell Joe Paterno how to be a leader? Listen to yourself!
And this gem
he had an obligation to get that man brought to justice
You’re completely out of your mind man! There’s a lot of other nonsense in your posts here but I have to keep moving.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
He did go the police, the head of the university police, Gary Schultz
The Penn State police, yes, but, they’re just as well equipped today as the State College borough police department. I can’t speak to how well equipped they were about 10 years ago.
There was an investigation launched by the police back when word got out earlier in the 2000’s. Lead investigator was Jerry’s neighbor. Investigation lasted about a week.
Tom Corbett stalled the case for 3 years when he was attorney general. Then it was thrown out.
Also, nobody has even stood trial. There’s been a lot of rumors from people who actually know people at the university that the university just told Joe to fuck off.
There are still many unknowns at the moment.
Joe might not always be there physically, but he'll always be there in spirit.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
PATERNO"S EXACT QUOTE...
to the Grand jury, under oath is that McQueary told him he witnessed Sandusky “doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”
You quote below is simply WRONG and your defense of Paterno is naive.
So, when Joe Paterno said he was never told of anything of a sexual nature, we can believe him.
I’m glad Paterno is dead.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
You are absolutely right.
I went back and read it again and you are right. I did not remember correctly.
If someone had told me that a colleague of mine did something like that...
I would have done everything possible to make sure it wouldn’t happen again….EVER.
And I don’t even like other people’s kids.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I have been there guys and I did DO something about....I Hate kids BTW!!!
It’s hard to do the right thing that’s what makes it HARD….it was my own Brother-in-law……SMDH!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I am sorry to hear that, but applaud you standing up regardless of consequences
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Since this poast has veered so far from its intent...
But there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that he used that power not for himself, but for the rest of us
…I wouldn’t call refusing a call from his superiors to step down, and wielding so much power in the school, town, and press that he coud defy his superiors, as not using his power for himself.
And other than the rare individual person he may have come in direct contact with, I seriously doubt Paterno really cared about using his power “but for the rest of us” unless the “rest of us” can run a 4.3 40, or rush a quarterback, or throw a 60 yard bomb. If he did, maybe Penn State wouldn’t be the most expensive state schools in the country, making a college education even more out of reach for the “common man” than before. http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2011/06/14/10-most-expensive-public-colleges-for-in-state-students
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 24, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WOW...good post and point!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
And 100% wrong
The Paterno s did 10 times more for the arts programs at PSU than sports. A quick glance at a newspaper would tell you that. Not a lot of 60 yard bombs from those students. There are numerous Paterno grants, fellowships, and financial aids….NONE of them are sports related.
PaVa, that was just a ridiculous statement! Hopefully from someone who simpy doesn’t know and can claim ignorance.
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
yeah he didn't donate an entire library
and he totally should have used his budgetary veto powers to kick something down to the students!
Nonsense from you!
The Patriot News finally pried out his compensation awhile back and it was a paltry sum compared to most of his contemporaries.
You people will speculate all you want about the sandusky issue, but to taint his philanthropic enterprises is just total bullshit! The man was not motivated by greed. He proved that over the last 60 years. And I won’t have this Passing Away thread tainted with that garbage without a retort.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
Unless you are a law enforcement officer...
…involved in this investigation, (at which point you are risking leaking information from an on-going investigation), you have no more facts than anyone you are arguing with; both sides are deriving support for their positions from the same source(s) of information.
Neither side can state “factually” anything, because the full results of the investigation and the court hearing, have not been concluded. Therefore, everything here is your opionion.
I have no love lost for Paterno, but I do feel for his family in their time of grief.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
We do know....
that McQueary testified under oath that he saw a boy getting raped by Sandusky and that he told Paterno what he saw.
We also know that Paterno admited under oath that McQueary told him he saw Sandusky in the showers doing “something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”
THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO. And Sandusky was only arrested now? Sorry, but McQueary, Paterno and everyone else that knew all let this go on when it COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED. They are all GUILTY of being horrible people.
In Paterno’s last interview he claimed he didn’t know what man on man rape was??? PLEASE. Paterno was a despicable man and anyone who defends the guy really needs to re-evaluate their opinion of him. I hope there is a hell just so his suffering continues.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to get drawn into this mire, but...
..in support of my previous post:
A Grand Jury is merely a panel of citizens who act as a jury to determine whether there is sufficient evidence for the issuance of a criminal indictment. It does not determine the veracity of the information presented, nor does it determine whether a crime has been committed; only that there is sufficient evidence to bring forth a charge. A criminal trial is required to determine guilt or innocence.
Every bit of information everyone is quoting to serve their own position in these arguments on this thread is based on the release of the Grand Jury findings; these are not “facts” as defined in a trial; these are testimonies, and as such should not necessarity be taken at face value. This information needs to be tested in a court of law.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
I merely stated what Paterno and McQueary testified under oath to the Grand Jury.
What they said to the Grand Jury CAN NOT BE DEBATED. It is FACT. That is their testimony…unless they both lied, which would be perjury.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
It is a FACT that what is written...
…in the Grand Jury report is what was testified to; it is not yet proven that what was testified, is Fact.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
I agree
in addition to the Grand Jury report, though, Paterno had also come out with a statement saying McQueary told him Sandusky was doing something “inappropriate” with a young boy in the showers.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
It’s still far too early for any type of speculation as to what’s fact or not. We can all certainly express our opinions, I for one think Sandusky did most, if not all he is being accused of. But I can only base that assumption on what I’ve seen in the media etc. Ultimately, it’s up to the Courts to decide and sort fact from fiction and we need to trust them to do so.
I never base any of my assumptions on what the media reports
I learned that from the Milledgeville case.
I’ve read the Grand Jury report and I’ve also read the transcript of McQueary’s testimony. Both are very disturbing. It’s very hard to believe that EVERYONE is lying in this situation.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I caution you to learn the lesson...
…from the Duke Lacross players fiasco. Until the facts of the matter were determined, there was a national outcry for the lacross players’ heads. But the testimonies of the victims/witnesses, were proven not to be facts.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
MIND JUST BLOWN
I agree that Sandusky’s guilt has yet to be proven.
But why didn’t Paterno, McQueary, Curley, etc tell the authorities as soon as this happened? Whether or not he is guilty or innocent it shouldn’t have taken 9 years for him to be arrested. Why did they let him host a youth football camp on one of their campuses in 2009?
And if Paterno suspected McQueary lied about what he saw, why did Paterno trust the man enough to hire him as a coach?
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We don't know, and now never will...
…for whatever is testified to at trial, Paterno will not be able to explain his actions, and have that explanation examined, as all others will be.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Tell me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Paterno go to the State College PD after McQueary told him what happened? At that point it is up to them to decide what happens next.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Again, according to testimony...
…not yet determined factual or not.
And what you are attempting to argue is a separation of legal responsibility, from moral/ethical responsibility, a seperation of which your counterparts in this debate claim should not be separated.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Because no one has ever lied under oath, right?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
so you’re saying Paterno is guilty of perjury?
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all.
But nice try.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
There's a difference between recounting second hand info
and recounting facts. Again many of us are of the opinion that Sandusky is guilty. But, Paterno’s testimony being factual or not does not indicate that he perjured himself.
If he didn’t believe McQueary, why would he hire him as an assistant?
If I thought someone was evil enough to lie about something as serious as molesting a child, I would distance myself away from that person as much as possible.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
There are many people I would hire to help me run a business but that doesn’t mean I would believe them if they told me my good friend was a rapist.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You would still hire that person AFTER you suspected he lied about your good friend being a rapist?
These excuses for that scumbag Paterno are getting ABSURD.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would not, personally, but there are millions of factors that could have played into Joe Pa’s decision to hire him and, unlike you, I’m not going to pretend to know what happened. In fact, since we don’t know what actually happened why are you even here? In America people are innocent until proven guilty, despite what you may want to believe.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
So…..if Sandusky is convicted will that change your opinion of Paterno?
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that Paterno was innocent of any wrong doing, not that Sandusky is. I believe that Sandusky is guilty, although I understand that right now he is innocent.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You are making the mistake of us thinking Paterno was molesting kids
That is not at debate, the debate is whether or not he did enough to bring it to light. Read it slow, give it time to sink in.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not what I’m thinking at all. I was trying to say that Paterno is innocent in the sense that he did the right thing and was innocent of any wrong-doing. Read it slow, give it time to sink in.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
No he didn't, he is complicit in a cover-up, it was kept in house.
you think he was fired without cause? Don’t you think he would have fought that after 62 years? The man said himself he should have done more, but you know better than him right?
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
They fired him because of public opinion and that is it. Please tell me you’re smart enough to see this.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
This from the guy spouting Hur De Dur
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the language retards like you speak so I thought I might give it a try.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
See there you go again
You do know that one of the prominent members of this site had a brother with Downs Syndrome right? Your showing your ability to debate is pretty low.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Your showing your ability to debate is pretty low.
Just before I posted my comment you called me an idiot, you know that right? There is no difference between me calling you a retard and you calling me an idiot, but I wouldn’t expect you to see that.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Yes, I called you an idiot because that is what you have shown yourself to be.
Because you haven’t a clue and you have been attacking people on this thread for 2 days now.
There is a big difference between you being clueless and my perceived mental disabilities. Your arguments were just that, no substance, just arguing.
but whatever, you are entitled to your view. Peace
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
There is no evidence.
None. Zero. That implicates Paterno in a cover up. He reported the crime, and he was a cooperating witness with the District Attorney’s Office.
So no, he was not complicit in a cover up.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I think he was adding to what you said, not detracting?
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Would you believe me if I told you I saw one of your best friends raping a little boy? If you answer yes then you are lying, and if you answer no then you are in Joe Pa’s exact situation. How was he supposed to know that Sandusky really was molesting children? Because someone he probably didn’t know too well told him so?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
and yet he HIRED this same person to be one of his asst coaches...
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
Paterno didn’t believe McQueary but gave him a job?
“McQueary, I don’t like you making up lies about that man on man rape foolishness, but you DO know X’s and O’s! Why don’t you come work for me!”
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
also did u know that Mike McQueary's dad also worked at Penn State???
the more I hear and after seeing that movie about the Penn State Girl’s basketball team I have come to believe that Penn State is run by a bunch of good ole boys who cover their own arses whenever they can….and those trustees are a joke…take the time to look up what it entails to become a trustee at Penn State and u will be shocked I’m sure…..
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't up to Paterno to determine whether...
…Sandusky did what he was accused of doing; it was Paterno’s responsibility to make sure the charge was properly investigated.
That is the crux of this issue with Paterno; did he do enough; did he do what he was supposed to do, being in the position he occupied.
This is something that can not, and will not, be determined until the facts are investigated and weighed in a trial; these facts will be derived from the testimonies of the parties involved. Until that time, Riddlah has no greater basis of fact for his position, than does Dr. Spaceman.
It serves no one here at BTSC to try to continue to debate this, since the only basis for ANY opinion, is an opinion, not facts.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
He went to the State College Police Department. What else was he supposed to do? Try to pull a citizen’s arrest on his friend because some kid accused him of raping someone? Yeah right. He gave the police the info and that is all there is to it.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Is that the only law enforcement institution in the state of PA?
We are talking child abuse, not jay walking.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for commenting Captain Hindsight.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You have an attitude problem
hindsight is not involved in any way shape or form in this discussion.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it is.
Now that the whole situation is spread out in front of you in a nice, orderly fashion you find it easy to pass judgement on the man without taking into account the circumstances at the time.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
The circumstances where that one of his staff reported a sexual incident between another of his staff and a child in the showers
no hindsight there, but it’s all good as long as it wasn’t you in that shower right? don’t go making a big deal out of this or anything.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well Said PaVa.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It serves no one here at BTSC to try to continue to debate this, since the only basis for ANY opinion, is an opinion, not facts
This applies to you, too.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You obviously are the police now, should I put my hands up officer?
I will continue as I see fit, especially when dealing with folks like you.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely PaVa!
Have we learned nothing about alligations/suspisions being raised and in the end no criminal charges were brought?? We have been down this road already. People insist on assigning guilt before there is a trial and then by God let’s drag everyone they know, family, friends and the guy at the turnpike ticket booth into it as well.
People are so quick to judge and slow to retract…
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
HUGE DIFFERENCE
here is that criminal chargers were filed
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Careful...
…just as you can file a suit against anyone for almost anything, so to can charges be filed based on Grand Jury testimony, only to have the case thrown out later.
I’m not trying to imply that in this case, there is no fire, for the smoke. Just trying to get everyone to realize we know nothing factually as of yet.
And this debate should just end.
End of my participation.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
But none against Joe Paterno.
…and that’s what this whole post was about: paying respects to Joe Paterno in his passing.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
That is not the issue, the issue is did he act in a manner sufficient with the allegation?
The answer is no.
the final result of any of this is irrelevant of what he should have done faced with this issue.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he did. He went to the police and from that point on it was up to them to get the truth out of the situation.
The answer is no
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
He reported it to his boss, not the police
read up before you look like an idiot.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
He informed Gary Schultz who oversaw the Penn State police department.
read up before you look like an idiot
Pot, meet kettle.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
This.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ok Captain Hindsight.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
It’s not hindsight, it’s what I’d do. Something serious has happened to someone I know on campus and being the competent person I am, I knew that the campus police were donut eating shitholes hiding behind the veil of “legal authority over campus” and went to the real police.
LOL
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Would you believe me if I told you I saw one of your best friends raping a little boy?
Nobody told him this. This is a rhetorical exaggeration being made for effect. McQueary testified that he specifically did not tell Paterno he saw Sandusky raping a boy. He’s testified to that twice actually.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Really? Here is McQueary's exact testimony:
“I told him that I had saw Jerry with a young boy in the shower and that it was way over the lines. It was extremely sexual in nature and I though I needed to tell him about it”
When asked if he made it clear that it was sexual he responded:
“Without a doubt.” then “No question.”
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 26, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
And he told that Curley as well, right?
But also, he didn’t say “I saw Jerry Sandusky raping a boy”.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
oh, right, because
doing something sexual in nature with a young boy in the shower
is not nearly as bad as “raping a boy.”
my bad. Everyone associated can take a deep breath now. Nothing to see here.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 26, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
"Paterno was a despicable man and anyone who defends the guy really needs to re-evaluate their opinion of him. I hope there is a hell just so his suffering continues."
Like I said earlier, Eat Shit and Die.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
I just realized it
what the hell am I doing wasting my time in here? I have a headache now.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
you're a scum bag
rot in hell
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
I'm not the one who protected a child molester.
But someone else who did is rotting in hell now as we speak.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 29, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
“When you get to heaven you’ll look around and say “How on earth did they get here.” and rest assured, those there will say the same about you."
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."
Joe Paterno cared more about his superiors and the image of Penn State Football than about being the saint everyone paints him as, but that’s just my inexperienced and unwanted .02
Not only is it unwanted but it’s unnecessary. Take that crap somewhere else.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
He’s allowed to voice his opinion. Just because you have an opposing one doesn’t make his wrong or unwelcome.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
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by John Stephens on Jan 23, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bashing Paterno on a post that was created in memory of the him is amazingly classless and something that I would only expect from a Browns fan.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
This is a steelers website anyway.
If you dont want different opinions post it on a Penn State website….
He’s hardly “bashing” and again he is voicing his opinion in a mature way. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re just upset because it opposes your opinion of him.
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
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by John Stephens on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
He is bashing him (bashing=insulting, and that is what he is doing) but that’s not why I’m upset. I’m upset because he chose to do it in a post where many of us would like to remember the man and offer our condolences. If he created a post where all he did was tell Paterno to go screw himself in hell I wouldn’t mind because I could simple ignore it, but ignoring it isn’t so simple when I (and many other people) would like to come here to engage with other fans who want to remember the man and all of the good he did. Of course, this post didn’t turn out like it should (thanks for that, GUNNER) and should probably be shut down, but oh well.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I’d bet a large sum of money that you would not ignore an Anti-Joe post.
Also, if you believe that’s an insult or “bashing” I think you should get thicker skin. You running around calling everyone idiots or stupid is much more of an insult.
You’ve been here for awhile and I would expect that you know hardly ANY comments are exclusively dedicated to the top in the post. And, there are often many comments that disagree with the post completely. Should those comments not be allowed either? That’s not how it works. People are allowed to disagree.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
*topic
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I hope that none of Sandusky’s victims are on BTSC to read about the Steelers only to find this post dedicated to a despicable human being who KNEW what Sandusky had done to at least one little boy and didn’t do much to stop that monster.
I can’t imagine how sickening it would be to a victim knowing that someone else KNEW what was going on but didn’t do enough to help. JoePa couldn’t be bothered to help these INNOCENT CHILDREN. He is just as much a monster as Sandusky. F him.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
That is the point isn't it?
is this the place to hold a memorial for a man who was complicit in the cover up of the molestation of children? Pot, meet kettle.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
who KNEW what Sandusky had done
Once again you are wrong. He was told that Sandusky was raping a child but he had no evidence. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t believe that one of my good friends was a child molester without hard facts to back it up.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
That's just it and that is why he is being villified
It wasn’t a decision to make, get it investigated. That is why he is going down with the ship.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
He went to the police and they refused to do anything about it. He did his part, especially when you consider the fact that to Joe (and any of us if we were in that situation) the claims were completely insane.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
no one went to the police
that is why Curley and Schultz are being charged with FAILING TO REPORT IT. No one reported it to the proper authorities…..including Paterno.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Schultz oversaw the Penn State police department when Paterno reported the incident to him.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Campus Police
Cute, kinda like mall cop.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
They have legal authority over the campus and it was their job to investigate the incident, not Paterno.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Well the state doesn't see it that way
because they are being charged with the crime of failing to report the incident to the police (the real police)
you should read more about the case
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Campus police are just as well equipped, if not better equipped than the SC Borough police
Joe might not always be there physically, but he'll always be there in spirit.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 24, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
HE DID GET IT INVESTIGATED!!!!!!!!
BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S OFFCIE!!!!!!
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
I agree with OIF3GUNNER but not his use of language
Paterno was complicit in a crime that took place over 15 years. That fact that he had to know what Sandusky was doing way before 2002. There is a reason why Sandusky was fired in the first place and that no college wanted to hire him as a coach. Maybe part of Paterno’s generousity was from his guilt of the fact though we will never know.
Just as with Big Ben I love the guy as a QB but a part of me just can not forgive him for what he did.
by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM EST reply actions
You Are Just Plain Wrong
And, I challenge you to prove your statement of complicity. First, I will ask you to make sure of the definition of complicit. Now, if you’re sure you want to use that word, I again challenge you to PROVE it. Show me “That fact that he had to know”. I will listen to any detailed and factual argument. I will not listen to gut feelings, hunches and emotional, unsuported nonsense.
You say there was a reason that Sandusky was fired in the first place, please provide a link to that article so I can read it. Also, what schools did Sandusky apply for a job with? Again, can you provide any links.
Can you support any of your statements with any facts?
Sandusky denied job at Juniata College
Complicit:
An individual is complicit in a crime if he/she is aware of its occurrence and has the ability to report the crime, but fails to do so. As such, the individual effectively allows criminals to carry out a crime despite possibly being able to stop them, either directly or by contacting the authorities, thus making the individual a de-facto accessory to the crime rather than an innocent bystander.
“JoePa” became complicit once he told his superior the “Director of Business and Finance” who oversaw the campus police (that fine organization you mentioned earlier, that has no conflict of interest working directly for the same person as “JoePa”), washed his hands of it, put his fingers in his ears and chanted la, la, la, la, I can’t hear you!
Ask yourself this – if he didn’t know what was going on, why was Sandusky barred from bringing kids on campus? I guess that somehow happened by osmosis? A wild guess? Hearsay? You are fooling yourself man.
And just so you don’t think this is all misdirected at Paterno, Mike McQueary should be in jail for life for leaving the scene without doing anything, biggest coward of them all, and make no mistake, they are all cowards and were all worried about their precious careers.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
First Off...
“put his fingers in his ears and chanted la, la, la, la, I can’t hear you!” – can you provide a link to this?
Thanks for the previous link. That was not for a job, but for a volunteer position. Unfortunately, this link fails to prove that Joe Paterno and Penn State had a general (When I say general, I mean widely known, which was implied) and shared knowledge of Sandusky’s criminal activity. The article talks about Sandusky being denied a position because of what a whole seperate entity reported. Is there an article about Sandusky being denied a job because Penn State and/or Joe recommended he not be hired. I’m not concerned here with Sandusky’s hireability, but with the implication that Sandusky was unhirable because a general knowledge that he was a child molester. What this infers is that Penn State knew about Sandusky and covered it up while telling the world he was a child abuser and not to hire him. I think that is contradictory.
I know he was barred from bringing kids on campus. Joe had nothing to do with that. Can you show me that he did?
You are trying way to hard to defend someone in the wrong
no links, pure exaggeration on the la,la, la. but you knew that.
A year and a half after an investigation began into Jerry Sandusky’s contact with young boys, the former Penn State assistant football coach applied for a volunteer coaching job at a central Pennsylvania college but was denied the job after a background check.
It was a job, compensation is irrelevant.
You didn’t say anything about Joe or Penn State, you were talking about Sandusky, that is who the article is about.
Also, after he was banned from having kids on State College Campus in 2002, he was still in charge of and he was allowed to operate a summer camp through his Sandusky Associates company from 2002 to 2008 at Penn State’s Behrend satellite campus near Erie, where he had daily contact with boys from fourth grade to high school.
If they knew enough to ban him from one campus why was he allowed to run a boys youth program on an affiliated campus?
I know he was barred from bringing kids on campus. Joe had nothing to do with that. Can you show me that he did?
Well, if he didn’t that doesn’t say much for his awareness and members of his staff. I would sure hope he had something to do with it.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
So you are under the impression that there was ANYTHING football related at Penn State didn't go through Paterno?
And you want me to post facts? C’mon man, don’t be so blind.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
And yes, Sandusky was a member of his staff
Just like I am an alum of my HS even though I don’t go there anymore.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
So...
your high school principal is responsible for your actions?
I am not blind. Joe Paterno was not immersed in the details on the Penn State football program. He deligated most of his responsibilities. For the last five or six years he was a figurehaed coach. Most of the day-to-day business was taken care of by his assistant coaches.
HELLO....wasn't one of those Asst Coaches Mike McQuery..the eye witness
who told JoePa about the incident in the shower????
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Man, those blinders are tough
So you would have me believe that a former member of your senior staff who has been accused of child abuse on your campus, in your programs showers is going to be starting up a new football related program at your satellite campus and this news never reaches your ears? What world do you live in? I still hear about things happening at jobs I haven’t worked at for decades.
Figure Head for the last 5-6 years? last I checked, 2002 was 10 years ago, again, facts.
My HS principal responsible for my actions? On his or her campus, you are damn straight they are.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
You are living in a fantasy world
you know that you can be sued for not shoveling your walkway after a winter storm right? If you walk by and bust your butt on “my sidewalk” (which isn’t actually mine, it isn’t on my deed of property and I do not maintain the sidewalk itself if it needs repair, it is county / city property), I am responsible as a homeowner and I am required to keep that section in front of my house that does not actually belong to me free and clear of debris and shoveled and salted after a storm. It’s the law even though I don’t own it. you can come over to my house and hang out in my back yard and if your kid drowns in my pool you can sue me for negligence – even if you were there, it is after all, my pool and as such I am responsible for anyone in it. While those examples are extreme, they are accurate. Paterno’s situation is much more cut and dry.
I think the concept you are having a hard time dealing with here is negligence. JoePa was negligent in his duty to protect those children. It is a fact. That is what is tarnishing his legacy, HIS reaction, not what Sandusky did or didn’t do. Do you get it yet? He should have owned it and done something about it. He failed to meet the minimum, he kept it all in house and that is unforgivable.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just because you want it be that way doesn't make it true.
He was not negligent, he did his duty by reporting it to the police. The whole premise of detractors arguments is that he had a moral obligation to do more. More, meaning he did something, but everyone wants him to have gone beyond that. You can spin wild accusations of conspiricys and the way the world really works (According to you) and talk about how you would have handled it after the fact (Now that everything is all laid out for you) all you want. You can get angry, you can infer things about others that you don’t agree with, but you can’t back up your position with any sound and logical thinking at any point. You have talked about what you think peoples states of mind were, or are, when you can not possibly know any such thing. You have infered that a boss is a man’s keeper. You have taken a convoluted sidewalk argument about an inanimate object and equated it to one human being being responsible for another. You have talked about all these things that Joe did when all that is known for sure is that he reported something he heard about and didn’t do more. You have no knowledge of a cover-up involoving Joe Paterno (Other than what you think) and if you do, document it. I challenge you.
He didn't report it to the police, he reported it to Tim Curley and Gary Shultz
Director of Business and Finance doesn’t sound like chief of police to me.
The rest of your argument is tired, you are a Penn State alum going with your heart instead of your head. I sure hope nothing like this ever happens in your family, then you will see the real cost of people who do nothing when faced with issues of this nature.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Except that Schultz was responsible for the Penn State PD at the time. Hurr du durr.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Campus Police, paid by the school, no conflict of interest having to report to someone who is not related in any way shape or form to law enforcement
just the one that pays the bills. You are an idiot, none of your arguments make any sense.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
You must have missed it.
I’ve been there. I’ve made the hard decision about a friend. I speak from having experienced the tragedy.
You seem to be all talk. No substance. Tell me about your experience. How you have been there and made the decision instead just talking about it.
Don’t really aim to share deeply personal stories on BTSC, sorry bud. You’ll just have to take as fact that I wouldn’t go to campus police — it reeks of doing what you’re politically required to do and nothing more.
Not a comment for you, bud.
Oh, it reeks, why didn’t you say so? Your point has been proven and very eloquently. I can not refute such an enlightened and substantial argument as “It reeks”. You sir, have the gift of persuation.
IT WAS REPORTED!!!!!
Why do you people keep saying otherwise?
This is common knowledge. aken to the DA in 2005 IIRC.
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
Sadly, this attempt at kindness and thoughts for a grieving family went into the toilet
But, it’s ok. I know I’m not alone when I say that I choose to remember this man and honor all the wonderful things that he did; not the things he didn’t do.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Shut the fuck up, keep to yourself, and let us remember him the way we want-peacefully.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You know what OIF3GUNNER, I chose to ignore your profanity ridden posts which spew hatred and a complete disregard to anyone you respond to.
You perhaps believe that paying respects to a man who dedicated his life for the betterment of children, through academics and athletics, yet who (as every single human being does) fell short of the perfection that you obviously possess somehow makes us in favor of crimes against children. You, sir are a legendary buffoon who not surprisingly has friends who murder others with hammers.
Kindly not respond to my posts and I will afford you the same courtesy. You don’t have to “love him”… would it have been so much to ask that you just kept out of it; or… is that impossible for the judge, jury and executioner.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
No, its not impossible because Im not the judge, jury, or executioner...or perfect
Maybe its time to talk Steelers football, at least we can all get along on that subject.
He did call the police. He set up a meeting between McQuery and Shultz. Shultz was the head of State College PD. Why didn’t he go to the city PD? Go ahead and do a google search for Police Departments in the area….. You back? Find anything? No? Why not? Well cause the State College isn’t just a college, it’s a borough. That means that State College PD is the only Police Department he could have went to, it serves the college and the city itself.
by ThoughtsAndSox on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
yea BUT that meeting took place TWO WEEKS after Mike McQuery told Joe Pa
what had happened…..
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not Quite
Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General
Pennsylvania State Constable’s Office
Pennsylvania State Police
FBI
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have been a member for almost a year.
I do keep to myself. I rarely ever comment and when I do its generally related to the draft. Just because some of you love him doesnt mean we all do.
If you want to impress me with your respect for children
How about starting by not throwing F bombs on a site that children read. Can you respect them at least?
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not once but twice I apologized for use of profanity.
So let me get this straight, my use of profanity is wrong. Riddlahs use of profanity is OK….Thanks, now I have it….Im not trying to impress anyone. Just stating facts…For the record, I generally enjoy everyone on here and this is my favorite website on the internet. My choice of words should have been different. I am fine with you all hating me for my opinion, I come here for Steelers news and draft talk anyway. Not to talk about people I could care less about.
attn BTSC Moderators...
You might wish to consider whether this thread has gone beyond the bounds of decency. The interjection of filth in purported defense of ‘morality’ may be inappropriate for the aims of BTSC. The good people who host this forum and who’ve I met here have more class than this thread exhibits. Go Steelers.
This is my formal apology.
I would like to apologize to all who were offended by my previous comments/posts. I should have just stayed off and left well enough alone. As I said previously, I really enjoy all of you, and this website!! I also would like to apologize for my use of profanity. So, Im sorry to all of you and hope we can leave this behind us. It pains me to see people whose football opinions I respect, and have been reading for a long time, be upset. Again, I am sorry and will refrain from commenting on anything that is not explicitly Steeler related.
Thank you. Apology greatly appreciated and accepted. Officially water under the bridge now. Let’s move on.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
However, there are others who posted on here who used the same vulgarity, and worse...
…and should also apologize.
I have my own opinions of Paterno, but came to this site to pass on condolences to his family, in keeping with this poast’s purpose.
No one poster here turned this thread away from its intended use, there was complicity amongst many.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
+1
I agree completely.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
While your delivery was terrible, I stand with you in your disgust.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
To everyone bowing to or defending Paterno
I have this to say:
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Your love and reverence is misplaced. While I agree wholeheartedly that HE himself did not molest any of these young boys, he suffered the man that did not only in his presence, but on his direct staff. Paterno did not do what he was morally obligated to do for those children. Those are facts, they cannot be argued.
You think “JoePa” was a great giver? Ever wonder what a guilty conscience will do to a man? You think he was donating all that money to the school because it felt good? I would wager it was due to his conscience weighing heavily on his soul for allowing that man to molest little boys and make no mistake, he allowed it – he allowed it by doing nothing about it.
I have nothing but disdain for the man, damn all that he “accomplished”, because when it mattered most, he failed and failed miserably. There is never an excuse to let an innocent be harmed and if you stand by and do nothing, you might as well be helping.
I am posting this because I am disgusted by the support. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but sometimes you need a different perspective to see the big picture and this is it – despite all he did for the school, the community, and collegiate football, he was a failure – an utter failure. If you are showing love for this man (especially if it is for something as trivial as you went to Penn State) you need to reevaluate where you stand, you are standing on the wrong side of the street supporting someone who would allow your children to be molested just because they have a big name and reputation and it is very shallow. Have the courage to stand up against peer pressure and say what’s right.
While his family may deserve your sympathy, he does not. I am not a religious man, but I hope he has to atone for his sins, because he didn’t have the courage to protect those children and they deserved better than that.
I have said my piece and I am not going to argue my stance, if you disagree with me, well, there is something wrong with you – not me. All I ask is that if you support the man – ask yourself why? We are not 10yo anymore, the super heroes from our comic books are long gone and this man was not someone to look up to.
Honestly step back and ask yourself why you support him. Do you have a good reason? Do you have a reason at all? Or are you just going along with everyone else because it’s easier? Have the courage to be disgusted.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Have you said your "piece" or...Peace?
I do disagree with you to an extent and I believe there is nothing wrong with me as I reference your statement.
if you disagree with me, well, there is something wrong with you – not me.
I have many good reasons why I feel this way and I have solid reasons why. I just don’t care to share them with the BTSC community. I can however, pay respects to a man on a post that was meant to do that.
Your blanket statement for those of us who can appreciate the good things JoePa has done is narrow-minded of you. Add to that your spelling and I’m not really impressed with you or what you think.
by ToonaSteel on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rely because you are off topic - Okay big boy, pick on Alleged misspelling rather than the content
The question would be whether to use Piece or Peace for the phrase, so if anything, my word was used incorrectly for the phrase, but it was spelled correctly, regardless, your rebuttal if it can be called that is a joke and unlike you I was not trying to be a Dick, if you have an issue with the content, by all means – go to town, but my spelling? Pffttt.
It’ all relative as far as the intent of the post, if there was a post about all of the great things that Hitler did for Pre-war Germany and that we shouldn’t be down on the guy for his short comings I would have posted to the contrary as well. Oh my god, did he just compare Joe Pa to Hitler? No, it is simply an exaggerated situational analogy.
Your blanket statement for those of us who can appreciate the good things JoePa has done is narrow-minded of you. Add to that your spelling and I’m not really impressed with you or what you think.
You are showing the exact traits I am talking about, blind to the bad, just hold him up in the light, he was a good man. He did a lot of good, I am not debating that, but the bad far outweighs the good, yes it is narrow minded, I have no grey / gray area when it comes to molesting children, can’t be overlooked. That is what he is guilty of, overlooking the molesting of children. If that is okay with you, something is wrong.
As far as my spelling goes? If that is the best rebuttal you have, sorry that I hated English in school. Who could have foreseen the grammar Nazi’s on the internet back in the 80’s?
I could care less if you are impressed with me or not, you are a blip on the internet, you don’t pay my bills, decide my pay, cook me dinner, watch my kids, mow my lawn, you have no bearing on my life, the statement is shallow just like the rest of your “rebuttal”.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I did point out your content. In fact, I block quoted your wise piece (used correctly) of wisdom.
Your wrong usage of words is not my rebuttal. I only point it out to gauge your intelligence….or lack of in this matter.
And I said I disagree “with you to an extent”. You cannot infer by any means by my statement that was “blind to his bad” as you say I am. As a matter of fact, I am well aware of his shortcomings.
I’m also very well aware of yours…….
SCUM
I will never forget that JoePa was a central figure in the Sandusky coverup. Those victims went through hell and JoePa decided to put PSU’s rep ahead of them.
I’m glad he’s dead. I hope he suffered.
I’m glad he’s dead
Thanks for displaying your mental issues to all of us on BTSC.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
by Riddlah. on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he suffered
you forgot that part
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 24, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Class is hard to define.....but I know it when I see it and read it.
I also know when I see none at all…………………
Looking at you Dr. S
by ToonaSteel on Jan 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Honest question: What good did Joe Pa do??? He coached a college football team...
While I love Mike Tomlin and I love FootBall and I think Tomlin is a GREAT guy and NFL coach but what good does THAT really do???
Also we know Sandusky had a charity and surely that charity did good work but does the good of the charity outweigh the evil that was perpetrated by Sandusky??
These victims will grow up to be Molesters themselves of their own kids and others kids…the cycle just goes on and on and grows until someone says ENOUGH!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions
Thanks Duchess
not that you are agreeing with anything I said, but that is exactly the issue.
To make matters worse, pedophiles specifically target jobs where they can be close to children – Teacher, janitor, School Bus driver, Priest, etc. I have no illusions that Sandusky’s charity was anything other than a way to be close to young boys 24/7.
and the information was out there and no one said “Enough”.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I feel you brother...I really do...sadly this just hits too close to home for me.....that whole
univ in my opinion is GUILTY of a giant cover-up……I hope they clean house and start over with that football program and that includes the trustees as well!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
These victims will grow up to be Molesters themselves of their own kids and others kids…the cycle just goes on and on
That’s a pretty sick and wrong assumption to make.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
um no it's not.....it's REALITY!!!
Sexual abuse is associated with many sub-clinical behavioral issues as well, including re-victimization in the teenage years, a bipolar-like switching between sexual compulsion and shut-down, and distorted thinking on the subject of sexual abuse (for instance, that it is common and happens to everyone).
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
its incorrect to assume that ALL of the victims will be abusers themselves
although sadly statistics indicate that a large percentage of the alleged victims may become abusers themselves.
okay..yes I see that now....MY BAD...did not mean to suggest that ALL
would become abusers themselves……
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's just a horrible situation.
Hopefully, the victims, which it appears are mostly underprivileged kids, can get the help they need and deserve.
While it is true that many child abusers/sexual predators were formerly abused in their life it is not true that with certainty all of them turn into sexual criminals. That is an awful, awful assumption to make.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
was NOT assuming.....like I said I clearly miss typed that line.....should have added
the word probably…my brain moves faster than I can type unfortunately
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
One of the worst thing's I have ever heard...
was Todd Blackledge painting JoePa as the victim. He said he died of a broken heart because he was fired. He said he should have been allowed to finish the season.
I have no idea how people could be so dense. I was SHOCKED when I heard what JoePa admittedly knew. Lives were ruined because JoePa (in his own words) could have done more.
He deservedly got fired in disgrace and will always be remembered for the suffering he let those poor kids endure.
well I bet everyone now wishes it would have been handled differently...
.like my grandma always says…the chickens always come to roost…might take 1 day or 10 years but they will eventually come!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
My sentiments exactly
and I too was Shocked, a serious WTF moment.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe there should be two more things added to “do not discuss” list along with religion and politics. 1) Paterno 2) Tebow.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
by FrankWyt on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rest in Peace, JoePa
and my condolences to your family.
That being said, I have always considered it unfair to a person to whitewash their legacies upon their death. By his own admissions Paterno could have and should have done more. This whole horrid fiasco and is a travesty and it is now an indelible part of Paterno’s legacy.
Here is what I find wrong about this
I have absolutely no problem that many disagree with the spirit in which this post was created. I do have considerable problems with how you have chosen to disagree. Let me be clear about two things; first I have absolutely no connection with Penn State University, so I’m not drinking any kool aid here. Second, while I understand what can only be characterized as disgust that some people feel about this scandal and Mr. Paterno specifically, I don’t agree generally with you. I could go into rather excruciating detail as to why I don’t, I honestly don’t think your interested so I won’t waste my or your time.
However, I do take issue with how you have decided to disagree because its an indication of problems down the road if it is not addressed. I created the post as an expression of appreciation for someone whose career I have followed for nearly 50 years. Its my opinion. In fact I submitted as a post as opposed to a front page item to avoid any hint of a suggestion that this was anything other than my own opinion. Now there are three things that can be done if you disagree with my opinion:
1. Nothing. Ignore the post. A lack of comment is one of the most effective forms of registering disapproval.
2. Respectfully. Let me repeat that, respectfully register your disagreement and move on. No cursing, no direct attacks on others with whom you disagree, no resorting to what amounts to a filibuster to turn this post into something else. I can’t help to add that some of you in your zeal to defecate on the memory of Mr. Paterno have managed to dishonor yourselves in the process.
3. Start your own post which reflects your views. I’ll even give you the headline: May Joe Paterno Burn In Hell!!! I won’t be visiting it, but there are plenty in these parts that will.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 24, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
+ this
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Agreed. I hope my posts haven't offended you, Ivan.
I apologize if they have.
Not offended at all
Just concerned that we may be beginning to go down a dangerous path.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 24, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I am as well.
Its why I’ve tried to be respectful in my posts.
agreed. I do indeed hope that I did not disrespect the intent of the thread in anyway. I also waive my right to a lawyer
and have refrained from responding to a great majority of these comments for the reasons outlined above
Yep. I hit that “cancel” button more than a couple of times.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
I do that quite often recently
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Good points
I hope that I was respectful in my disagreements, because that’s what I was trying to do.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I apologize to you for being strong with my thoughts to the contrary on your thread
but I saw it as the appropriate place to voice what I had to say. I am not going to start a hate thread for multiple reasons, least of which being that is not what my thoughts were about. I am going to leave the conversation now as the direction has devolved quite a bit and it isn’t a conversation anymore, it is personal attacks now. I am sorry that I had a big part in taking over one of your post meant as a tribute, I do respect you quite a bit, but disagreed wholeheartedly with the content.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's fine MD
I respect your contributions and we’re usually on the same side of most issues, just not this one. Its not personal to me.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 24, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that we should always be respectful when posting a disagreement
but in truth, if nobody posted disagreements like you suggest in point 1, then sites like these would no longer have any function.
as for JoePa – it’s a sad story and a true life lesson. It takes a lifetime to build a legacy, it takes one horrible decision to completely destroy it.
I don’t think Paterno was an evil man (at least I hope he wasn’t), but he definitely wasn’t a saint either. There was no excuse to either actively cover this up for the program, or to stand by as others did. He was human and he made a horrible mistake. I will never understand that, but I also will never understand others who are making “burn in hell” and " I hope he suffered" comments. To me, that is about as distasteful a statement as a human being can make. I for one hope he found peace at the end. Wishing otherwise would reflect more on me than on him. Hoping a man dying of cancer “suffered” doesn’t help those kids one bit, and it dehumanizes the situation.
Unless you’ve been in this sort of a situation, then there is no way to know how you’d react. Paterno had built a legacy and was an icon around the nation. One day an assistant comes in with this news that would blow the whole thing up. A life’s work up in smoke. Paterno was guilty losing site of what was truly important (the kids) and protected what was not (the program). I’d like to think that I would have handled it differently, but it’s human nature to act the way he did.
Okay I did not curse or attack anyone..with that being said am I to understand
that from now on if we disagree with a fan post we are to just move along in a JoePa kind of way….I would NEVER dissaprove of a post on here but I may disagree from time to time…cannot imagine why this was posted here in the 1st place but I digress as usual….anyway I’m done posting here now and want to thank you for allowing me to comment on this painful subject matter and finally I wish you all a good day!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions
Oh no...
You keep right on posting. I for one look forward to reading every compelling word.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Why the post?
For those who have lived in Pittsburgh Paterno has been part of the sports and football landscape for a half century. Many are aware of and follow Penn State football as they also follow the Pitt Panthers, the Penguins, Pirates. Also many of their friends and family are Penn State Alums. So it is fair to say that the subject is relevant to a very large number of people who frequent this site.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 24, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m trying to remember when I’ve ever felt this much sadness and disgust over a post on BTSC before. I’m so sorry this turned into a fiasco. I really had hopes it would be as it was intended.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Texans. Just remembered
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Texans one was by far the worst IMO.
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by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Truly was. Beginning to end on both sites. Horrible.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Penn State's Standard
First, I wish to state I respect any fellow Steelers fan with or without Penn State connections who feels strongly about Joe Paterno. I do agree the way he was notified of the firing was wrong, Paterno himself should not have the the public statement advising the Board of Trustees about taking time to deliberate this matter, and should not have announced his resignation at that moment.
Ten years or so from now, we’ll have a better perspective on this issue. Paterno was a very good man, and the countless acts and examples of class had a positive impact on many people. But no man is perfect, and towards the end of his storied tenure at PSU there were some troubling signs. Ushering out the school president and chancellor out of his home when they brought up his position, and announcing to the media “I’ll leave when I’m ready”, were un-Paterno like actions. Paterno did great things with his considerable power, but that power can be a double-edged sword. The football machine at the isolated Penn State campus was not a good combination.
The Steelers have a standard we’ve heard about, and so does Penn State. While a disappointing number of players had run-ins with police in recent years, the program always put itself on a pedestal. In fact, recruitment letters touted PSU’s perfect record in terms of recruiting violations, and former players in the media spoke often about the benefits of playing for Joe Paterno.
And if there was one school and coach in all of the NCAA in which I would say this type of scandal would not occur, it would be Penn State. I would have said Paterno’s outstanding judgment and experience would have discovered and investigated this problem, and done so much more than the minimum to eradicate this monster from any connection with PSU. It’s precisely because of Penn State’s sterling record why this is such a big story, and Paterno had to realize the radioactive nature of these heinous allegations had the potential of tainting his proud legacy, overshadowing decades of outstanding work, both on and off the field. No head coach, no matter the age, can fail to respond properly to even the whiff of child abuse. Jerry Sandusky was such a valued assistant, he was once rumored to be JoePa’s successor, and his image was rendered in a mural on the campus.
Summing up, this is such a sad, unlikely situation all around. There’s a saying about “with great power, comes great responsibility”, and we’ll never know why Paterno failed to live up to his own principles. I have no doubt Paterno could have stopped more kids from being abused if he had used his considerable influence to get to the heart of the problem. I sincerely wish Paterno would have used the same determination we saw on the coaching sideline on this issue. Doing the minimum, and saying “I wish I had done more” afterwards just wasn’t the Penn State standard Paterno established himself.
by SteelStealth on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
JoePa's death was the final act in an Aristotelian Tragedy.....
….where the tragic hero of the play meets a tragic end in part because of a fatal flaw in his character and in part because of fate.
Those in ancient Greece who sought the wisdom of the Oracle at Delphi learned that “character is fate.”
The Greek playwrights would have loved this one: the week after he reached his lifelong dream, his world came crumbling down because of the actions of a friend.
None of this would have happened had he stepped down six years ago, or had he followed through and asked the State College Police (who are, incidentally, real police and not rent-a-cops) “how’s the investigation coming along?”
But Paterno was a stubborn man, a proud man, a man loyal to his friends, and a man fiercely protective of his football program and his legacy. A combination of any or all of these traits sealed his tragic fate.
If you studied the Greek tragedies in high school or college, you have seen it all. And you have seen art mirror life in the tragic downfall of men and women in the past and even today.
As someone who predated Aeschylus and the other tragedians by many centuries observed,
“there is nothing new under the sun.” That would be King Solomon, who nailed it.
“Vanity of vanities,” thus sayeth the preacher. “All is vanity.”
RIP JoePa.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
this is fairly off topic of your comment (which I loved btw, the part about Greek playwrights loving this story is spot on), but I don’t think the dispute is between rent-a-cop and full-fledged police force but instead concerning conflicts of interest between the school and campus police
Agree completely about the conflict of interest btw school and police....
…..but when you use the term campus police, it conjures up Paul Blart, Mall Cop – but in a campus setting. And Rent-a-Cops don’t have full powers and certainly don’t handle investigations of child abuse cases.
Penn State is an entirely different legal situation. The police there became the University Park Boro Police (back in the 1960’s IIRC) with full police powers and no one, other than the State Police, over them. They are to State College what the Pittsburgh Police are to the ‘burgh. If you see a crime committed, that’s where you report it.
Paterno reporting this incident to that specific police department was entirely proper.
Their inaction was indefensible, and – considering the gravity of the offense – so was his failure to ask – even once – “how’s that investigation going?”
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Technically
He asked after it with Mike McQueary several times. Also, Tim Curley testified that he followed up with Paterno and told him that things were proceeding.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Link to that would be interesting...
Because actually Tim Curley testified that Paterno never made it clear that Sandusky was raping the boy. He testified that Paterno just said they were “horsing around in the showers”
Now Curley is being charged with perjury and failing to report the incident to police. because NOBODY reported it to the police.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 26, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'll try to find the link to the Curly testimony, it's from his preliminary hearing.
And why does it matter what Paterno told Curley, both Curley and Gary Schultz spoke with Mike McQueary. Also note, that McQueary specifically testified that he did not tell the entire story to Joe Paterno.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Here
http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/Curley-Schultz-Hearing-Transcript.pdf
It’s on page 182.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I was thinking exactly the same thing Homer.
But couldn’t have said it as eloquently as you’ve done.
I would like to apologize for a lot of the things I've said on this thread.
I went overboard and would like to take it all back, but this is a subject I feel very strongly about. I hope this doesn’t negatively effect my relationship with my fellow BTSC members and hope we can all forget what was said here today.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
For what its worth to you...
…had you not posted this ^, then yes, my opinion of you would have been colored by some of what you posted here earlier.
However, by stepping up and acknowledging what you perceive you should not have said, you show me you a quality of character that may not have otherwise been illustrated in this thread.
Kudos my fellow BTSC member. For me what will be remembered is not your actual words, but the passion of your beliefs, and convictions.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 24, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't mind me asking
What type of work do you do?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I'm curious as to what work you...
...think I do. Three guesses, then I’ll tell you
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I’ve seen you mention something about “in the office”, so that really takes away all my guesses, which would have been dean/president of a university, or esteemed college professor
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I am a VP of a large financial institution, in a small department...
…with the responsibility of overseeing a large commercial real estate portfolio. I got into commercial real estate after getting an MBA in International Business, thinking (at that time especially) since there was a lot of Japanese investors buying US real estate, I could combine business with my love for the Orient.
Foolish me…I’ve had 3 foreign owners as clients in over 20 years of real estate experience, and only get to travel in the US. I can guide you on how to build a commercial office building, how to manage it, how to sell it, and then buy another one.
My undergraduate degree is in English Writing, and as I posted previously, I am a voracious reader of almost everything. My personal library is only a third of the size it used to be, and I currently own over a thousand books.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I also like long walks on the beach, holding hands and...oops, wrong website!
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol…you just answered my next question j/k
But yeah, thanks for the info. I figured it was something important.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Fuse, meet Match
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Priceless
Perfect end to a less than perfect day!
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Nope not the wrong website
So uh…..How you doin?
Formerly known as Steeler_
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 25, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
How very tragic.
That one of college football’s greatest coaches and a man who devoted nearly his entire adult life to Penn State football has had his name forever linked to a scandal so horrific that people rarely will discuss it above a whisper. If there’s any fault here, it’s merely that Joe’s great love for Penn State inclined him to keep coaching perhaps a bit too long, to the point where he lost control of his organization. And just long enough to be drawn into a disaster.
What a terrible, terrible shame that this happened to such a fine man.
Here's a link to the transcript of the preliminary hearing against Curley and Schultz
http://www.dauphincounty.org/_files/3193.pdf
What kind of man would let Sandusky continue working with his youth charity and allow him to host an overnight youth sports camp on PSU property after hearing what McQueary had witnessed?
Yes, JoePa did the minimum as required by law— but he should have done more. Kids continued to suffer because JoePa couldn’t be bothered to help. That’s your hero.
What kind of man would let Sandusky continue working with his youth charity
His name is Jack Raykovitz. He was the head of the Second Mile in 2002, through just a few weeks ago. It is an undisputed fact that Tim Curley informed him about the alleged assault in 2002.
So great, you kicked some dirt on Joe Paterno, but you still don’t even know who the actual bad guys are here.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Ran across this yesterday
“Do not argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
here my 2 cents
i understand both sides and to u penn state fans i am sorry but joepa had contal over everything in state college it is my beliefs that jerry s might have done this as far back as the 19 70’s 80’s i read somewhere that jerry s had a offer to be Maryland’s head coach in 91 i think i just think that joepa knew and through that it would go away while joepa did nothing wrong in the law eyes and my deepest colenes to his fam it is the penn state board fault first they could have banned jerry s and fire joepa to his face part 2
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
part 2
the prez and AD should had force joepa to retire after 04 it happen to bobby bowden sadly for all the great things joepa has done he will be remembered for what he did not do just because he wanted the most wins and to protect the brand
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
Ivan, Thanks for this post ...
This has become the saddest thread I have ever read.
People spewing absolute hatred when their own statements prove they don’t know the story is sad. Worse than all of the “Ben is a rapist” knee-jerk comments. Although I understand where the sentiment is coming from, there could be no worse topic than hurting children, I can’t undersatnd the hatred when you obviously aren’t informed.
Thanks for the attempt to memorialize. Sorry it turned into such a waste.
I suggest that it maybe should be deleted. Anyone stumbling accross this will not consider it “Thoughful Discussion”. It is an embarrasment not matter which side you are on.
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
Without reviewing everything which has come before...
I would say that given the history and time line of events as reported, Joe Paterno, law enforcement and the school administration were guilty of one over-riding crime against humanity – allowing Sandusky continued access to children via Penn State, it’s associates and it’s facilities.
They all knew unsavory things were occurring under their noses. What exactly they knew and when we will never know. Joe Paterno’s right hand man up and retires, right about the time he should have been promoted to Head Coach. He didn’t retire any more than Bruce Arians did. He was removed because they knew he was dirty. Joe’s continued role as HC into his eighties is the fault of the administration. Who knows, maybe keeping him in place was a way of assuring the continued silence – they all had a stake in keeping things quiet because they all benefitted.
I am saddened like everyone else that these horrible things happened. Joe Paterno was a great coach but his time had come and gone many years ago. Penn State has not been as good as others at the highest level of college football competition, not for many years. Retaining Joe that long had many negative consequences and I would argue that even extended to the level of play on the field.
Penn State needed to reevaluate where they want to be as a college football program. Hiring a coordinator from one of the most successful NFL teams over the past 10 years says to me you want to compete and win. That didn’t work out for Charlie Weis but maybe Penn State will be different. You can’t be Ivy League and BCS at the same time – trying to do so will not get you either.
Joe Paterno is a legend and should be for his many contributions. His legacy will never be the same after this and shouldn’t be. None of that tarnish will help the victims or anybody else. I feel sorry for Joe and his family in one regard – he was not wise enough to leave and enjoy his accomplishments from a vantage point as a retired and revered patriarch of the game. By holding on, he ended up losing much of what he worked for.
"Franz" in NoCal
by franz on Jan 30, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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