Letter to Big Ben: Get Over It
Dear Ben Roethlisberger,
I hope that you are feeling better from all of those aches and sprains you suffered during the season. God only knows how high your pain tolerance is and although we in the Steeler Nation criticize you for many things, your toughness can never be questioned. However, your judgment has been muddled over the offensive coordinator Bruce Arians's "retirement." Sources tell ESPN that you fought for Arians's job once again but alas, could not save him. Reports say that you are not happy about it at all. In many aspects, this futile attempt at saving Arians was like this season you just had. Inconsistent and just falling short.
You definitely are aware of how many in Steeler Nation despised Arians. With weapons like Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Heath Miller, Rashard Mendenhall and you, the Steelers should have easily been one of the top ten scoring offenses in the NFL this season. Alas, that was not so. The Steelers had two 1,000 yard receivers in Wallace and Brown, a 4,000 yard passer (you), and nearly had a 1,000 yard rusher had Mendenhall not torn his ACL in the final day of the season. However, the Steelers inside the 20 yard line looked just atrocious. Touchdowns were tough to come by and Shaun Suisham was getting way too many chances for our liking.
Usually the coordinator job serves as a lightning rod for fanbases. In the case of the Steelers, Arians was the lightning rod. His NFL resume was not impressive. It looked like Arians's best trait was that he was really friendly with you and Hines Ward, among other members of the offense. That should have been the first sign of trouble. Most workplaces have rules and regulations against fraternization between supervisor and employee. Arians was your friend and that is clouding your judgment here.
Second, Arians was not very good at his job. Many times, you, Ben, were the best offensive coordinator. When you ran the no-huddle, the Steelers' offense looked like it was in rhythm, the much maligned offensive line looked able, and the team often scored touchdowns. You made many forget how bad the playcalling was with your scrambling ability. I seriously doubt Arians told you to scramble out of the pocket for five seconds, shake off two defensive linemen, and then heave the ball 40 yards downfield to Wallace. I seriously doubt that was in Arians's playbook.
You really liked Arians because you like having no one to answer to. It is no secret that Ken Whisenhunt and you had disagreements when Whiz ran the offense. Trust me when I say this Ben: Whiz's job was to coach you to become the best possible quarterback you could be and help the Steelers win games. If you felt hurt by Whiz telling you to do something you disagreed with, then you should seriously think about being a hermit where you don't ever have to hear anyone criticize you.
Arians, because he was your friend and was spineless, allowed you to play with nearly no accountability whatsoever. You take a sack that took the Steelers out of field goal range? Arians likely never said anything to you. You scramble around like a headless chicken, looking for the big throw when a back is open in the flats? Arians likely never said anything to you. If he did, then you did not listen, which is another article for another day. However, the lack of accountability should never stand at all. Not for you, not for Tom Brady, not for Aaron Rodgers, no one.
I know that you counted your blessings that Arians remained the offensive coordinator for five seasons without so much as a phone call from another team. However, did you not think that was strange? I mean, Brian Schottenheimer got head coaching interviews and he gets killed by fans on a daily basis! Cam Cameron even got other job offers after his disaster in Miami. Arians? Absolutely nothing. The rest of the league thought Arians was garbage. Don't tell me about age either. Romeo Crennel was just named to his second head coaching job and he is in his 60s.
The Arians decision could only come from one man: Art Rooney II. He is the custodian of the Steelers and the head of the Steeler Nation. You wielded so much influence that even head coach Mike Tomlin could not fire Arians. Neither could general manager Kevin Colbert. The decision to not retain an assistant coach had to come from ownership. That is just sad.
While you are no doubt one of the biggest reasons for the Steelers' success, you are not the only reason. The defense played well for most of your eight season career. You also had a Hall of Fame receiver like Hines Ward and Pro Bowl receivers like Wallace, Brown and Miller. Sure, the offensive line was not the best, but Arians never really took it into account while he called one receiver screen or a deep pass after another, often putting your health in peril. It seemed to me you would much rather lose throwing 40 times a game in high wind than win throwing 20 times a game.
I still think the term "game manager" and the fact that you are seldom mentioned with the elite QBs like Brady, Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning still bother you. Because of this, you want to throw the ball like they do. Arians allowed you to do that. You always say that winning is the most important thing. If Arians leaving the team brought another Super Bowl next season with you handing the ball off more with a fullback leading, would you be upset? Right now, I have doubts about where your head is. Please prove me wrong and be a team guy about this. After all, it is the Pittsburgh Steelers, not the Ben Roethlisbergers.
Sincerely,
Steeler Nation
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Amen
Well said, and about as rational as you can possibly be, no arguments can be made against any complaint you stated. I hope this does not become a problem because if it does it is nobody’s fault but Ben’s. He had to go, get over it, he should be thankful, this probably just upped his chances of another super bowl or two and will probably keep him healthier over the next few seasons. Again, great letter, can’t see how you could say it any better.
Thanks SteelCity G
Yes, even with the potential turnover on defense, I think as long as the core group stays together, this team’s window is open for two-three more years. Whispers have always been abound about how Big Ben is “uncoachable”, which is why Whiz left for Arizona so quickly and why QB coach Ken Anderson retired. Big Ben needs to realize that one, he is a part of the offense, and two, he is not the entire team. Running the ball and playing good defense has rarely failed. That equates to winning football, Steeler football. If Big Ben is bent on putting up 4,000 yards every year and get put out early in the playoffs, then he should go elsewhere to do it.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.- Mark Twain
by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 22, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Steeler Chris 5, well written.
I appreciated the tone, the level-headedness, the grace of leaving the door open for “if not this, then that” in Ben’s favor, while still laying it all out there.
I think in the end, Ben will see this as a necessary evil for him, and be thankful for it. I don’t see any kind of rift. If there is, I’m sure Rooney will be letting his head coach know where his head coach can put the vise on.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the “new” ben I think will see this as an opportunity to see the offense through a different lens and maybe change the way he plays so he can extend his career….as it is now, if he keeps holding onto the ball as long as he is, he’ll be retired much earlier….the “old” ben would’ve just pouted on his Hayabusa all the way to Milledgeville (too soon?).
I hope so...
…but lets not forget how important the passing game is. Check out what the guys have to say over at Cold Hard Football Facts: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_5271_Kerry%27s_Super_Bowl_Tour_de_Statistical_Force.html
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by CheekyMonkey on Jan 26, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully
It will become yet another growth “opportunity” for Ben, as he crosses into his 30’s, and strives to achieve even greater success under a new OC, not as a Brett Favrian seat-pants-flyer whose egocentric lack of accountability ultimately drags his franchise into more drama, but as an elder statesman who finally gets it, and gets a transforming team into more championship opportunities. Rec’d.
Fly by night, away from here
Change my life again
Fly by night, goodbye my dear
My ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend
RUSH
by Flying Polamalus on Jan 22, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I signed in just to agree.
by Steelchamps !! on Jan 22, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
as tomlin once said...
every morning he walks past six lombardi trophies, not six passing titles…
or something like that.
by BoiseSteeler on Jan 27, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
spot on, hit the nail on the head
If Ben is going to worry all next season……..Well, Arians woiuld let me do this and let me do that, and not go with what the new OC calls up or demands, it will be a long season. We will find out if Ben has “truely” matured.
BEN
The way he (Ben) plays I doubt he has more than a couple more years left in the Tank. Sorry to say this, but at age 30 and over I fear his Physical skills (ie scrambling, breaking tackles, etc,) will diminish a lot and I am not sure this will serve him well; he is not a great pocket passer. He needs to learn to play QB more like Brady or manning.
Listen negative nancy, no one cares. Jesus man, do you ever quit? We get it, you hate the Steelers, and you regret every day of your life that doesn’t have Brady or Belichick’s phallus somewhere inside of you. They have lots o room on their bandwagon, and if that’s all you are going to do is support them anyway, why not make the leap? (if you’re not there already, and just trolling).
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
hahahahahaha
Thanks Frank, now i don’t have to say it…
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
oh, on top of that, you’re dead freaking wrong in your half assed assessments
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
dead freaking wrong? ben has sustained some major injuries and less and less often is he able to shake them off come playoff time. unless he becomes a better pocket passer, his career WILL be shortened, and that is damn near fact. don’t be an ass.
Ok mom.
But seriously, yes, dead wrong. You either get hurt or you don’t, he is equally likely to get hurt standing in the pocket and getting hammered. Only the most recent injury could be considered a result of holding the ball too long. I know it sounds crazy, but usually the reason he moves out of the pocket is because people are trying to hit him.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
unless he becomes a better pocket passer
That’s hard to do without a, ya know, pocket.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
exceedingly hard. it’s on the team to build an o-line. they’re the only team to draft a franchise QB and then completely ignore the line until it was dire (don’t point to pouncey and gilbert picks — the o line has been a complete mess since the 08 season). every team that gets a franchise QB does their best to protect their investment, i’m thinking this a model that would be wise to follow
ehh disagree
Pittsburgh isn’t the only team to not have an O-line for their QB (David Carr in Houston, i’d say thats one example), and you say the O-line was a complete mess since the last year we won a super bowl…. No one wins a Super Bowl in spite of their O-line, so obviously it wasnt THAT bad. Last year the Steelers drafted 2 OL (Gilbert, Keith Williams), Pouncey and Chris Scott in 2010, Kraig urbik and AQ Shipley in 2009, and Tony Hills in 2008. In the last 4 drafts, the Steelers have taken 7 offensive linemen. Now obviously they haven’t all worked out, but they have been attempting to shore up the protection. Unfortunately, they can’t pick an OL in the first round every year…
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
when you’re taking safeties due to holding in the endzone — you’re winning in spite of your o line. Literally none of those have worked out except Pouncey who stays on the bench due to injuries. david carr would be the exception and we saw what happened there – houston learned, revamped it’s o line, and got shaub.
except Pouncey who stays on the bench due to injuries
That statement implies that he is injury prone and while I agree that him missing four games in two years is worrying, I wouldn’t call him injury prone just yet.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
if it’s the same ankle this year come playoff time (we aren’t winning with a backup center in the playoffs unless he’s better than doug legursky), I’m saying 3 out of 3 is enough, but some would need more
If he injures his same ankle this upcoming year then yeah, I would call him injury prone, but let’s wait and see before we get too worried.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
He had surgery just a couple of weeks ago. I don’t know… but I think “high ankle sprain” was sugarcoating a more serious injury. Here’s hoping the surgery fixed things, for good.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
I wouldn't say it's "enough"
I would say it’s poor timing for injuries like that to keep him out of games, but honestly…All-Pro in his first two seasons? Really? That’s just plain silly SICK.
Pouncey is a warrior, he will be staying right where he is for the next 10 years, and we will be raising his face next to Webster et al.
4 games in 2 years. Heck, I miss more days at work (adjusted, of course) than he does.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
sometimes, I just shake my head in wonder!
Three Super Bowls in the last 7 years. Decimated my injuries, we lose a playoff game on the road in overtime and you want 7 to play like somebody else. What makes you even think that would work.
This is not a defense of Ariens or even Ben. I let their body of work, good and bad speak for them. I just think maybe we ought to appreciate and enjoy what we have. As a rule, I’m not one to speak in absolutes, but here are two:
(1) BB is NOT Manning or Brady and he will never be. Not in a good way and not in a bad way. He is a srambler an improviser and IMO a winner. No matter what we do with the line, he will never sit in the pocker and pick a defense apart.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -Jack Lambert, 1990 HoF Introduction
"Most of the time, the most physical team has a chance to win. That is not a reality we shy away from." --Mike Tomlin
by madanthonywayne on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I forgot (2)
(2) With the injuries we has this year, particularly at the end, we were never going to win the Super Bowl this year. No matter what Ben did or who the OC was. It could not happen this year.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -Jack Lambert, 1990 HoF Introduction
"Most of the time, the most physical team has a chance to win. That is not a reality we shy away from." --Mike Tomlin
by madanthonywayne on Jan 22, 2012 9:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
????
idk why evrybdy think Ben can’t pass out of the pocket…..didn’t anybody see the new England game???? If they have a good game plan good things happen!!!!
by moonsteeler on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Ithink he can,
but he’s never going to be super accurate, at least not with the OL he’s has for the last three years. I just don’t think he’s that kind ofqb. Actualy, he has thepotential to be as good as the rest with a beterline and a willingness to throw the ball away once in a while.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -Jack Lambert, 1990 HoF Introduction
"Most of the time, the most physical team has a chance to win. That is not a reality we shy away from." --Mike Tomlin
by madanthonywayne on Jan 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am so hapy about Arians retirement
That i dont care the Cheatriots made it to the SB
"Everytime NE Patriots lose, Football wins", myself
can someone smart please explain
why this offense looked so competent, confident, smart and in control for a couple of games, NE and Titans especially, and so harum scarum at other times?
I’m not a real student of the game as some of you are and I’m still on the fence about Arians but watching those two games I thought: wow, Ben is making smarter decisions, the game plan is working, they HAVE a game plan, this offense is really game-controlling eat up the clock and score multi-dimensional, spreading it around, keeping the defense guessing and/or exploiting their weaknesses. ANd not setting up some players to look bad because they were asked to repeat plays that didn’t work the last time…(Poor Rashard, I kept thinking, why are they doing the same thing to him again?? But maybe they weren’t. Maybe it just looked like he hit a brick wall twice in a row, repeatedly, all season long. Again, I’m not a student of the game but there were so many times when it was Rashard, no gain, Rashard, no gain…what was that about? Even if it’s a weakness of Rashard’s or a weakness of who was supposed to be blocking for him, didn’t a valiant attempt resulting in failure mean they should try a different approach? Or were they and I couldn’t see the whole picture?)
And then it was gone—the multi-dimensional, lets use everyone approach. As a plan. As a real effort with a few yards gained here, a few there, this way, that way, a spash play, back to use the clock to rest the defense and eat up the clock, so the stats at the end of the game were all across the board. After NE, everything looked like “seat of the pants” play again. I know NE doesn’t have a great defense, but neither did a couple of other teams we didn’t look good against. If nothing else, we didn’t have those “double shots” of failure we seemed to have in other games—Rashard gets no where, they try it again and fail again. Pass to Blank, doesn’t work, they try it again…(Unmatched often by no double shots of success…in fact, they sometimes seemed to abandon what WAS working for no clear reason—at least to me.)
Yes, Ben is good at seat of his pants play—sometimes literally. I don’t think anyone wants Ben to completely change his style of play or become someone he’s not. My dad pointed out a year or so ago that Ben was getting better at all the things Ben is good at, but not getting any better at all the things Ben is not good at. Not great, not suddenly developing someone else’s strengths or O-line, but making small improvements.
At the beginning of this season, Ben looked lean and mean and smarter and I had hope he himself had gained another dimension. But even before the injuries, Ben seemed to backslide into everything he already was but no extras. I might even guess that this is what ARII meant by Ben needing to “tweak” his style of play?
There may be all kinds of explanations and I’d sincerely like to hear them, even as conjecture. As a long time fan, I’m not used to the Steelers having all these options on offense but game by game, they seemed to focus on one and ignore the others when the best weapon seemed to be to use as many as possible until they found the magic ticket to that particular game. As an example, Ben to Heath was sometimes magic but over and over again in one game and then no Heath in the next game. Ben to Brown, to Brown, to Brown, or…
I’ve gone on too long, my frustration with this season showing and so much potential untapped. I don’t blame the individual players. I’m not convinced many of us have been fair to Wallace or Hines or Memo or Rashard or the O-line because of the choices made, not the effort made or the talent involved.
Personally, I saw traits of a leader in Ben this year that I haven’t seen before. I saw a more mature, comfortable passer who really seemed to trust the guys around him. I saw a redzone offense that came up short too often, but all in all, I was anything but disappointed in Ben.
That being said, his injuries absolutely affected his throwing~ one of the sports pages (I can’t remember if it was ESPN or another one) showed a healthy Ben vs. gimpy Ben and the adjustments he made was visible and astonishing when viewed side by side. Again, credit given where credit is due.
One of the beautiful things about Ben is one of the things that drives you crazy at the same time: He’s not a pocket passer who is content to just stay there (partly because the pocket doesn’t hang around very long for him) His style of play incorporates the best of the best: His arm is as strong as any QB in the league, he can read a defense quickly and accurately, he’s as strong as a bull and isn’t afraid to get hit and he truly is a “playmaker”. For my money, Ben is the most complete QB in the league.
One thing Ben is not… is predictable. The former offensive coordinator… well, he was often times very, very predictable.
New blood; fresh ideas. I would hope that warrior Ben will embrace the change.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Ben
The leg injury would play havoc with both his accuracy and the continued pain and weakness would wear away his concentration. In hindsight I think we would of been better off to rest him against SF and Cleveland but I have to admit that at the time the decision would not have been anywhere near as clear cut.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 23, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
ben
I love the Steelers more than most, have followed them since 1978. I hate the Pats and Ravens.
I really do feel BB must realize he cannot scramble around and take hits for another 10 yrs and survive, tahts all!!
As far as Ben goes
I just want him t be a little more careful and dump the ball when he needs to – I realize it is a very fine line between making a great play and dumping the ball off, but I think that is exactly the area he needs the most focus. Other than that, health on the O-Line will go a long, long way.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
Time for a new OC.
Ben’s gonna be 30- we need an offense that’ll keep him upright for 7 more years. He needs to adjust, and the new OC needs to adjust this whole thing. Yes, better OL will help. So will hot routes, check-downs and draws. All curiously amiss in the Arians playbook.
I'm sure he has check downs in the offense, everybody does
but BB is not one to use them very often. How many times have you seen a replay where Ben throws the ball 15-30 yards to a receiver and in the foreground there is a wide open Mendenhall or Miller in the picture? Keeping your eyes downfield is an awesome trait to have under pressure. Ben needs to improve his play and the offense by limiting the sacks and 0 yard plays due to incompletions thrown while ignoring or not finding the open man in the shorter zones.
I’m not sure if they have true “hot” routes in their offense. These are pre-set routes versus particular blitz looks. Some offensive systems have them, some don’t. Zone blitzes make some “hot routes” a bad place to put the ball, but that depends on a lot of things too.
When you say draw play, my blood begins to boil. The Steelers throw the ball, and throw it deep often enough that their screen and draw game should be great. Instead, it has been mostly non-existent and at times just awful when used. This is one of the offensive areas which can be improved dramatically. Getting rid of a few of our fat ass O Linemen would help too.
"Franz" in NoCal
i hear ya, Franz-
I think new blood in the room will improve our overall offense- we certainly have the weapons. I won’t harp too much on the O-Line, only because we’ve taken some strides in the last 2 drafts to address it. New guards are needed.
I also think a true change-of-pace back would help with said draws/screens. Those plays almost demand a short-space quick guy in today’s NFL. Ah, the days of Eric Pegram…
I sure hope so
Like others have said, Arians had his moments but the overall strategy and tactics were very confusing at times. Too often for my taste. The new OC has great weapons to work with, starting with the gifted if erratic QB.
Ben has said he identified with Elway and that’s why he wears #7. There is a similarity there and they are/were both gamers for sure. Roethlisberger also has the inclination to go Favre-like and that needs to be curtailed. As great as Favre was, he also lost his team many games by playing like an animal not a surgeon. Riding the edge between man and beast is fine, as long as the brain feeds the nerve endings and not the other way around.
Yes, a new 3rd down back would be a good addition. I have always liked my #1 HB on the field in those clutch situations though. It keeps the defense honest. Granted, that HB must have the blitz pick up and pass catching skills but that should be a big reason why he is the #1 RB on your team.
"Franz" in NoCal
our fat ass O Linemen
They prefer the term “fluffy”.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Maybe Puffy, as in Mike Tomlin's Puffy Jacket?
I still contend that the reason for our injuries at OL the last few years is partly attributable to the lack of athleticism and conditioning of these fellows. Kemo, Colon and others just carry too much flab around the middle in my opinion. They have trouble getting to the second level and staying balanced in pass pro.
"Franz" in NoCal
Pouncey has been getting injured and he is pretty fit for a lineman.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Exception noted
That’s my kind of offensive lineman !!
He was probably injured when one of his teammates fell onto his leg while trying to pass block and eat a jelly donut simultaneously….
"Franz" in NoCal
Was it Kemo?
It was Kemo.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I don't think pouncey ever fully healed from last years AFCC
He never was at 100% this year, and now with a lesser high ankle sprain on the same ankle – he’s getting surgery this off season. There may have been something in that ankle that required surgery last year but was missed. It wouldn’t be the first time.
Probably even longer...
I’m pretty sure Pouncey got hurt in minicamp or training camp before he even played a down in the NFL with the same injury. Another recollection is that he may have had an ankle injury in college at Florida.
Hope this surgery and treatment get him back to 100%. Some things involving ligaments and tendons are never the same again.
"Franz" in NoCal
Ben will make the pro-bowl trip despite his injured ankle
Does this mean he will play if he wants to?
Awesome, Ben!
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
good post but people realllllyyyy need to stop referring to sanders as a weapon… i mean we scoff at torrey smith being considered a weapon and sanders hasn’t seen the field consistently… ever
He was a weapon his first year.
Injuries hurt him obviously. But according to everyone close to the situation, he is the best route runner. If he’s a better route runner than AB, then that’s pretty scary.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Weapons don’t barely amass 500 yards or whatever insignificant season he put in. He was a great third or fourth option his rookie year. I like to let my guns shoot before I call them weapons. Limas Sweed could get separation at will
500 yards for a 3rd option rookie isn't bad.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
The Next Great 88
He scares me on special teams. I look forward to him blossoming. This year would be great.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
isnt bad != weapon. he’s good, lets see if he can do anything with prolonged playing time, or if he can even stay healthy enough to develop into a weapon
Can we at least say he has the potential to be a weapon?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
This is what I'm getting at. More touches for him = weapon.
All he needs is a chance.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
im not disagreeing with you so much I’m just saying more touches for him may = weapon. it could go either way at this point and the NFL more than any other sport (IMHO, as usual) has the tendency to have flashes in the pan or guys with tremendous potential just not get the opportunity/flounder the opportunity
BA was to predictable
The formations except for the Tenn and NE games were very predictable even my grandson could recognize the bubble screen and Mendenhall off right guard before the snap just by looking at the formation. The one notable trait about Bruce Arians was once he found something that worked he never went back to it.
Good post; lots of valid points.
Ben might not realize it, but he needs to have a real offensive coach. For all of his talent, Ben still doesn’t do lots of simple things that other top QBs can do. What’s worse, Ben thinks he can get by without running a full playbook or dumping the ball to avoid sacks. I still consider Ben to be the greatest natural QB I’ve ever seen, but talent and physical prowess alone aren’t enough. Every player can benefit from intervention by an active coach who knows what he’s doing. BA clearly did not have a clue about moving this offense forward.
Everyone made Great points and im excited to see who they decide will take over, but..
I don’t think Ben is expressing his displeasure of Arian’s “Retiring” just to be an a$#hole , Ben and Bruce have been together for a while now and Ben’s comfortable with him and im sure he really cares for Bruce as a person as well. If I had a coach that I really liked I would be upset too if he was “forced” out, not only because he’s my coach but because he’s a friend!! Ben will get over it and im sure he’ll be glad down the road when he gets comfortable with his new OC. I have no problem with Ben being upset with the way things went down, I admire him more for caring!!!
by colorado steelhead on Jan 25, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions
Well said, but the NFL is and always will be a business.
Arians being shown the door was a business decision. Ben can not like it all he wants, but he will be shown the door one day too…
by crosby87 on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In the end he is a professional, if he wants to fret
Then he s got the off season to lament about it. In the end when the new OC sits with him and the rest of the staff they will have one mandate, not run more, not pass more but score more points. If they can improve into the top 1/3 with the aid of some pieces for the oline then I think you can easily see them making a bid past the first rounds of the play offs.
Impose your will.
The offense became too predictable.
Trips= bubble screens
Ran right with Johnson motioning or in the fb position, motion Wallace meant he was running a deep route.
Absolutely no waggled, no sliding protection, few if any gadget plays. They often forgot to utilize Heath after the start of each half. I could go on and on. The new OC will need to play to the teams strengths. Fast WR poor oline means getting the defense to play honest. That means more balance and being a bit more unpredictable in scheme. Wallace will need to get off the line faster and Ben will need to check it down.
Extending the drive keeps our d healthy and fresh. They need to draft the middle- nt ilb and g this season.
Impose your will.
by ALDOG on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't have said it better myself...
many here have been suggesting this for some time. Your synopsis is dead on.
"Franz" in NoCal
SO SO TRUE, GLAD SOMEONE HAS THE GUTS TO SAY WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING. BRADY, ROGERS, BREES NICKLE AND DIME YOU TO DEATH, THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE LONG BALL UNTIL THE DEFENSE GIVES IT TO THEM, THEN THEY GO DOWN FIELD AND BEAT YOU.
WITH THE RECEIVERS THE STEELERS HAVE, WALLACE, BROWN, MILLER, SANDERS AND THE PROFESSOR HINDS WARD, THEY WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE WITH THE NICKEL DIME APPROACH, LET THE PLAY MAKERS MAKE PLAYS.
LOUD NOISES!
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
This letter/article has taken new life this week
This letter has taken new life this week with reports from PPG and the Trib regarding Big Ben’s feelings about Arians’s retirement. He says that he thinks Art Rooney II owes him answers. Well, Mr. Rooney will give Big Ben answers because he likes and respects Big Ben. However, what Big Ben needs to realize is that Mr. Rooney owes him nothing. Mr. Rooney is the boss and when a boss dismisses your friend, he does not have to give any reason why. Arians is gone, get over it.
Personally, I don’t see why Mr. Rooney is walking softly through this mess. That is not the Steeler way. Just come out and say you did not like the production level of the offense the last few seasons. As much as I would love to see a power running game back in Pittsburgh, I know the chances of that happening in 2012 are slim. However, I would much rather see the next offensive playcaller be able to hold Big Ben accountable for his own actions (like admonish him if he takes sacks that takes the Steelers out of field goal range) and use the ENTIRE offense. I really believe Heath Miller is the most underutilized player in the NFL. It boggles me that he only has 2 TDs in each of the last two seasons. I put that on Arians alone. While I know the track record for going outside the organization for OCs is not good (see Ray Sherman and Kevin Gilbride), I would seriously consider it because I believe Randy Fichtner will be another spineless yes-man to Big Ben.
If Big Ben is that angry that Arians retired and acts like the petulant child that many in and outside Steeler Nation perceive him to be, then the rumors are true. He is uncoachable. Please prove me wrong Big Ben.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.- Mark Twain
by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 27, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions
I read the article too
and was slightly shocked. Before you make a decision, listen to the whole interview. It’s available to listen to on Ben’s website/facebook. The link is posted within the Ryan Clark post. I don’t feel the Post-Gazette gave a fair and accurate account. Just my opinion.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Here you go
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ben-Roethlisberger-BigBen7com/122621564488599
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
I haven't heard
Big Ben be called a “game manager” since 2006….
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
No-Huddle
May we please dispell this silly notion that somehow Arians had nothing to do with the success of the no-huddle? Do we really think that this wasn’t discussed, practiced, monitored during the week?
I shudder to think what Peyton Manning could do with the Offensive weapons that the Steelers have
Not making any suggestions. Just commenting. So please don’t barrage me with a lot of complaints like I am a “turncoat”. I have been a Steelers fan since probably a lot of the “posters” were born. And a fan of Ben’s since he was chucking for Miami of Ohio. Just don’t like the way that he is being utilized and is continually being injured (multiple times) year after year.
I wouldn't go that far, but..... - to Riddah
I am not in the mood for an argument.. Ben is “definitely” our QB (and a DAMN good one), but I think that Peyton at 95% could throw for 6,000 yards with our receivers – easily. I just want to see Ben stay healthy for a season and reduce his sack total. It is not “all” the fault of the O Linemen – a lot of it, but not all of it.
Peyton wouldn't throw for 4000
with our OLine though…. He’d be throwing the ball away 2 out of 3 times, then coming off the field for a punt.
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
Peyton wouldn’t throw at all because he would be paralyzed by the end of his first game behind our line.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Our line is not that bad when....
The QB releases the ball fast enough. Peyton is excellent at reading defenses and has a fast release. Ben did this against the Pats and the Titans and made our line look great. That is all I want him to do. You rarely see Brees, Rodgers or Brady (and Peyton) with a dirty uniform. They make quick reads and when there is no one open they will get rid of the ball. Ben will keep searching for the open man and will cause his blockers to have to hold their block longer than normal. I will admit that there were times when blockers were in his chest as soon as he got the ball. It happens to “all” of the QB’s at one time or another when you face good speed rushers like Suggs and Jared Allen or on blitzing situations. Peyton is the “master” at reading defenses. Ben has equal skill as these QB’s, but he tries to do “too much” and he does not read defenses as fast. I am not trying to “sing the praises” of Manning – I am just telling it like it is. We have excellent receivers and better than average running backs. And YES, I am saying that Peyton would throw for 6000 yards with them. Also, he is one of Goodell’s chosen few (I had to throw that in there…lol). We DEFINITELY need improvement in our Offensive line, but Ben has to learn to get rid of the ball faster and quit trying to do it all. He was my choice when we drafted him. I was sitting on the edge of my seat, hoping that we would get him when he was drafted. I am tired of seeing him year after year limping around the field. Especially at playoff time. I do not want to see him be another Earl Campbell (who is wheel chair bound) or Jim Brown (who is bent over and walking with a cane) when he retires.
I agree that Peyton is great at releasing the ball quickly and Ben really isn’t, but that doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want Peyton anywhere near this team.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
where do you guys get that “Peyton isn’t tough” bullshit from? Is it just because he’s not on the Steelers?
Yep, this guy is not tough. I believe he missed a whole zero plays
Manning would survive in any system, because that’s what he was bred to do. He has taken many hard hits, and came back from them with no problem. If you are seriously deluding yourself in to thinking Peyton doesn’t get hit, I don’t know what to tell you.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Oh, excuse me, I meant “Peyton couldn’t survive with our line” bullshit. But it’s all the same, I hear the “Peyton isn’t tough” bullshit too. Before this year he never missed a game. Not in the pros, not in college. It took a life threatening injury (or a threat to his family’s safety) to keep him out. Manning could go anywhere and turn any team in to an offensive powerhouse.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I don’t care whether or not he’s Super Man, it doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want him on our team.
Oh yeah, and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DttfyOeU3vw&feature=related
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
oh, I must have passed over the “have Manning on our team” part. sorry. I just saw a few of those tired anti-Manning arguments and responded to them.
do you mind if I ask what the video was supposed to say?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I hate that about Manning (and a lot of QBs not named Big Ben), that he slides when contact is coming. Take the hit or throw the ball away, man.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
lol. If you were the owner of the team you wouldn’t feel that way. I see both sides as well.
Did I understand you right. Sliding is only ok if it’s Ben?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Gotta say that I agree with you on that Frank (grudgingly - lol)
There are a lot of things that Ben could learn from Peyton. And Peyton is a pretty “tough” guy. That hit that he took in that film clip was brutal. I would rather that Ben did not get the opportunity to show how “tough” he is. Would rather see him dump it off or slide.
I doubt if he ever will, and......
That is not what I am advocating. I just want Ben to play up to his ability and understand the old adage that: “with age(and experience) comes wisdom”. I watched Ben in college. He was very similar to Cam Newton. He looked like a man playing with boys. I was VERY pleased when we selected him in the draft. I am not pleased in the way that he is getting beaten and battered every year. Part of the blame goes to the OL and part of the blame goes to Ben. A “smart” Ben (with the talented receivers we have) could easily throw for over 5000 yards and hand the ball off to a 1000+ yards rusher. We have fleet WR’s Brown, Wallace and Sanders. And I think that Heath and Wes Saunders could be a comparable version of Gronkowski and Hernandez – if they are utilized properly. I hope that we will select a tough OC who is “progressive and innovative”. I was calling for (and posted) us to pick Hank Hynosky as our FB in last years draft. And in the previous year, I and several others were online and were suggesting for Management to pick Legarette Blount. We were correct on both accounts. Am hoping that we can pick up a quality OT and a quality OG and NG in the draft. Also hope that we can address the backup QB problem that we had. Now is the time for our “walking wounded” to address their injuries and get the necessary surgery or rehabilitation that is needed. This team has SOOOOO much talent. There is no reason that we should not win it all next year if we have a good draft.
I doubt if he ever will, and......
That is not what I am advocating. I just want Ben to play up to his ability and understand the old adage that: “with age(and experience) comes wisdom”. I watched Ben in college. He was very similar to Cam Newton. He looked like a man playing with boys. I was VERY pleased when we selected him in the draft. I am not pleased in the way that he is getting beaten and battered every year. Part of the blame goes to the OL and part of the blame goes to Ben. A “smart” Ben (with the talented receivers we have) could easily throw for over 5000 yards and hand the ball off to a 1000+ yards rusher. We have fleet WR’s Brown, Wallace and Sanders. And I think that Heath and Wes Saunders could be a comparable version of Gronkowski and Hernandez – if they are utilized properly. I hope that we will select a tough OC who is “progressive and innovative”. I was calling for (and posted) us to pick Hank Hynosky as our FB in last years draft. And in the previous year, I and several others were online and were suggesting for Management to pick Legarette Blount. We were correct on both accounts. Am hoping that we can pick up a quality OT and a quality OG and NG in the draft. Also hope that we can address the backup QB problem that we had. Now is the time for our “walking wounded” to address their injuries and get the necessary surgery or rehabilitation that is needed. This team has SOOOOO much talent. There is no reason that we should not win it all next year if we have a good draft.

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