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Trade Down? My Ideal Draft

Sorry for so many drafts, but thought I'd propose a slightly different draft:

Many Steelers fans, myself included, are clamoring for the Steelers to move up and take David DeCastro. DeCastro is to guard prospects what Maurkice Pouncey was to Centers: a once every 10-years player. The Steelers like to use all of their picks, and typically don’t trade up unless they believe the player has abilities they couldn’t develop in another player on their own. While I would be jumping for joy if the Steelers traded up for DeCastro, I am aware that this is an unlikely proposition. However, I do believe there is a trade that works for the Steelers, and should be strongly considered.

Trade:
Steelers trade 1st round (pick 24), 4th round (pick 120), 2013 2nd round: total on value chart: approx. 1,100
for…

Patriots trade 1st round (pick 27), 2nd round (pick 48): total on value chart: 1,100

NE Reason: The Patriots are a dangerous team, but with no top DB’s available at the end of the first round, they Patriots decide they need to move in front of Denver & Houston in order to guarantee they get their target: Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina. Jeffery’s stock is plummeting, but the Patriots have always viewed themselves as a team who can reform anyone. Can you imagine Tom Brady with Welker in the slot, Gronkowski making a mismatch anytime you line up a safety or LB on him, and then Jeffery taking the outside. There won’t be enough defenders to cover the three of them, especially not with Brady dropping back. The problem for the Patriots is that there is no way Jeffery makes it past Denver & Houston. Both teams need a top WR, with Houston needing better weapons across from Johnson, and Denver needing weapons for Tebow so that teams can’t cram 8 in the box. Tebow won’t be able to beat teams with 50 yard bombs every week, they need better wideouts.

Pittsburgh Reason: The Steelers have a lot of needs this year due to an aging roster, and a plethora of injuries that will carry over to the start of next season. The Steelers could draft a starter at Guard, NT, and Inside Linebacker this year, not to mention Kicker, backup Safety, and depth at OL/TE/RB. The problem for the Steelers is that they are $20+million over the cap. There will need to be painful cuts, and the Steelers will need to draft for now, not for the future. Some of our picks will need to start this year, so my plan gets us the most value for our picks. No one at a need position will be available at 24, who won’t be available at 27. The Broncos, Texans and Patriots don’t need a NT, they don’t need a guard, and they don’t need an ILB. Below is a draft that I think can put the Steelers in a great position next year, and moving forward.

First Round, Pick 27: Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
The case for Hightower has been made by many others before me. He is the perfect complement to Timmons and will provide a lights-out core of Timmons, Hightower, & Woodley for the next 6+ years. Hightower has the ability to start right away, but that will be determined more by James Farrior’s contract situation than Hightower’s skills. With this pick, the Steelers would have taken the DL (See 2nd round) & Linebackers and put top, young picks at every position. Once Harrison goes, everyone in the front 7 will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. Absolute domination.

Second Round, Pick 48: Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
Zeitler is climbing up the boards and is currently the 3rd ranked interior lineman on Mike Mayock’s big board. If he isn’t available at this pick, it is possible Cordy Glenn or Kelechi Osemele will be. Any of the three is a huge upgrade at the LG position and should be an immediate starter. Zeitler is my favorite guard prospect outside of DeCastro and would be a solid, if not top-10 left guard with Pouncey next to him.

Second Round, Pick 56: Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
I am not sold on Ta’amu as a top player, but this is a deep draft for NT’s and there will be value available with this pick. Worst case, we take another guard and have 4 of our 5 line positions with top 2 picks from the last 3 years. I think Ta’amu has the potential to start right away, and if he lives up to his potential, we will have drafted a front 7 no one in the NFL can compare with. This draft would give the Steelers a foundation on defense for a decade and would be the backbone of championship runs for the rest of Ben’s career.

Third Round, Pick 88: Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
Crick is a luxury pick, but he has great value at the end of the 3rd round. He will have time to rest his injury and learn behind a stacked DL. There are a lot of different scenarios for this pick, and I considered putting Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin, & Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple at this spot. I honestly would be happy with any of those three, but Crick has the most value to this team. If either of our 1st round picks at DE don’t work out, Crick can start at a Keisel-like level, if they both work out, then he is a great rotation player who could spell our starters.

Fifth Round, Pick 152: B.J. Cunningham, WR, Michigan State
Many others have covered Cunningham, and I can already see him becoming a favorite of BTSC as draft season progresses. He his huge, has great hands, and is willing to take a hit to make the catch. I don’t see him as a starter, but the Steelers need to get better in the red zone, and with Cunningham and the emergence of W. Saunders, the Steelers could have a dangerous combination inside the 20.

Sixth Round, Pick 184: Delvin Johnson, NT, Marshall
I did some research after Seton Hall took him as the future of our Nose Tackle position. I don’t have that much faith in Johnson, but the Steelers aren’t just looking to replace Hampton, but also Chris Hoke. By making Johnson a backup or practice squad player, the Steelers would have a chance to let him add weight to his frame and eventually become a real force to either spell Ta’amu, or take over as starter if he doesn’t pan out. So far with this draft, the Steelers have drafter starters at ILB, LG, &NT, while securing backups at NT and DE with a red-zone WR. Pretty great draft considering there are still 3 picks left.

Seventh Round, Pick 216: Carson Wiggs, K, Purdue
I am a big proponent of drafting a kicker this year. Wiggs can make almost every kick and is pretty darn accurate, with a career 71.5% mark. His career long is 59 is outstanding, and he has made kicks of 55, 53, & 52 as well. The Steelers need to get someone at this position who they trust beyond 50, and there may be no better kicker in this draft than Wiggs with that goal in mind.

Seventh Round, Compensatory 1: Anthony Miller, TE, Cal
Miller is a massive human being measuring 6’3" and 260 pounds. He could take over blocking duties in 2 TE sets from Saunders, and would be a great replacement for David Johnson, as his services as the worst FB in the league are no longer needed (see next pick). Miller is not much more than a blocking TE, but with Saunders moving into the #2 TE spot to start next season, a blocker is needed more than a receiver.

Seventh Round, Compensatory 2: Emil Igwenagu, FB, Massachusetts
Finally the Steelers get a full back. Ownership made it clear that the run game would be more prominent next year when they pushed Arians out the door. With Mendy hurt, Redman and his bruising style becomes are starter, and the running game is going to be much more like "the Bus" era, than the Willie Parker/Rashard Mendenhall era we have been witnessing. Mendy can run that bruising style too, and me be more inclined to once he gets back from injury since a knee injury will surely hurt his cutback abilities. Igwenagu will bring some serious hate back to our running game, and I am looking forward to him blowing an aging Ray Lewis out of a play to break Isaac Redman for a big gain.

So what does everyone think of this draft? Is it worth trading down and giving up a future 2nd? Or would you rather trade two 3rd’s if the Patriots would take that?

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That top three is brutal.

Throw in one of my guy Cunningham and Jared Crick? Gentlemen, I think we have the ideal scenario.

by JDSpartan on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

i really really really dont see Jared Crick falling to the third round…if he did, then ya, those top 4 picks are lights out

by NoVAPensFan on Jan 28, 2012 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

He’s getting a lot of buzz…someone is gonna pull the trigger early on him.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Given Darth Hoodie's Propensity

to wheel and deal on draft day, I could see it happening. I don’t know how Colbert feels about dealing future draft picks-probably not great, b/c I can’t remember the last time he did, if ever-but I would love that draft. I’m not quite as sold on Donta as I’ve heard not-so encouraging things about his coverage ability, but I think he would thrive in every other facet of the game, especially in our scheme. He’d be really solid value at 27 though, and I’m sure LeBeau and Butler have had their eyes on him. Really good post. Rec’d.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

this is pretty sweet

not sure the pats would go for it though..

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

It is the dream draft for me, but Hoodie likes future picks. I wouldn’t give them a first next year, but I would give up a lot for this draft. I also think they could work hard to move up in this draft, just depends on to where.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade Value doesn't work

You forgot to discount the value of the 2nd since it’s for next years’ draft. The rule of thumb is drop the value one round if the pick is for future drafts, so our 2nd in 2013 is worth only about 200 points. 740 + 56 + 200 = 996, so we’re pretty far short of the points needed to do the deal. As such, the Patsies only pull the trigger and give up #48 if we give them our 1st rounder next year.

In light of that fact, I wouldn’t do the deal even though I like the players you picked. It was a good effort, but it’s more than a bit of wishful thinking.

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

That puts us 100 points off

That isn’t something that is really hard to overcome. We could make the 4th this year into a 3rd and cover that.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So now the trade is swapping 1sts, trading our 3rd this year, 4th this year and 2nd next year for #48? Now that’s doable from a trade standpoint, but I don’t like it and here’s why:

There’s no doubt we need a OG/OT and a NT right now. We need an ILB soon, but from a positional value standpoint, LBs are one of the easiest to find. But we also need safeties to replace Troy and Ryan Clark, both of whom are in their 30s, and safeties in our scheme need a couple of years to learn. We need a tall WR. We need tackle depth. We need a kicker. Unlike last year, we’re also probably going to have about 10 roster spots opening up due to cap space and we need to fill those. That’s a lot of needs and a lot of bodies.

So gutting the middle of our draft this year (and trading off our 2nd next year) in order to go top heavy in the draft isn’t advisable or the Steeler way. We have a lot of areas – ILB, SS, FS, red zone WR, OL depth – that are typically found in the mid levels and we can fill those slots with players who will fit into our tight cap. By trading all of those mid round picks and going top heavy, we don’t fill the holes that we need nor bring in the bodies that we need for the coming year.

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I swapped out the 4th for the 3rd

The Pats wouldn’t get both. So we realistically only lose Crick from this draft and I would substitute him with Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State or Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State who would provide quality depth.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d stil probably need the 4th, depending on how the Patsies expect us to play next year. Using the 24th slot:

740 – 2011 1st
150 – 2012 2nd @ 24th spot
150 – 2011 3rd
56 – 2011 4th

Total: 1096 points

You might be able to drop down to a 2011 5th rather than a 4th, but you’re going to have to include one unless the Patriots think we’re going to have the 15th (or better) pick next year (or unless they really don’t like anyone in round 2 and want a trade partner).

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

PS – I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m just pointing out that the Patriots would have to be feeling very generous to make this deal happen as you’d like it to. Given Bill Belichick’s draft history anything can happen, but he usually gets more via the trade chart rather than less.

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

PSS – Hell, what do I know, I can’t even get the year right. :)

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We might be working from different value charts

I have the 2nd in 2013 worth 340-100= 240.

But it would be close, the Pats would have to value getting Jeffery more than their picks, which is what this whole thing counts on. Since in this scenario, they do: it seems likely they would take less value back for a player they truly covet.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t subtract 100 points for a future choice, you treat it as a pick one round down. Hence the 150 for the #24 3rd round pick (88th overall).

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Either way, the whole thing boils down to the Pats valuing Jeffery more than the picks they are giving up. But if I had to deal more picks/a player for this draft, I would. Someone like Bryant McFadden instead of a pick?

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

McFadden has no value and will be released…not sure who else we could afford to let go.

by Blackadar on Jan 26, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome Ideas

Wish they could make it happen. Solid draft and hole filler.

by Steeler in KY on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Kicker accuracy

Love this scenario, and how it mixes both need, BPA, depth and long-term planning.

Am I wrong in wondering, though, why 71.5% is “pretty darn accurate” for a K? Is it a college thing, i.e. kicking there is more difficult? Because I remember reading somewhere than in this day and age in the pros, if you ain’t hitting 80% of your tries, you’re journeyman material.

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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 26, 2012 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Kicking in college is harder

The hash marks are wider out, so the angles are more difficult for the kicker. But remember, a career 71.5% mark counts for his freshman year on up. So when you consider he was 18-19 making those kicks, not bad. It is true that this mark isn’t spectacular, but he only has room to grow, and he was used kicking past 50 more than most kickers, which lowered his total.

Overall, I would be happy substituting any kicker of value in at his slot, I just liked him the best of this year’s stock.

Thanks for the approval of the scenario though, it would be an amazing draft if they pulled it off.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Please find a different trade partner

Under no cicrumstance would I want to help the Cheaters get better in any way, shape, or form. Screw them. I’d deal with the Ratbirds before dealing with NE.

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by CLK47 on Jan 26, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

I get the sentiment

But there really isn’t another viable trade partner in my mind. We won’t trade out of the first, and need to get a mid-level 2nd to make this scenario work. Find me another partner who has the need to move up 3-8 picks and I’m game.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Best Steelers mock that I've seen.

Great job.

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by Riddlah. on Jan 26, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

As Blackadar pointed out, the values don’t add up exactly, but in this situation, the Patriots view Brady as having a closing window and since they are still clearly a Super Bowl caliber team, they go for it by giving up a bit of the future for help now.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes sense, especially if they lose to the Giants.

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by Riddlah. on Jan 26, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd actually be cool with us dropping out of the 1st round entirely and picking up extra 2nds and 3rds.

I’m no draftnik, but from what I’m hearing, there seems to be a lot of guys who could help us in those rounds.

by furthur56 on Jan 26, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

We could definitely use 4-5 picks in the first 3 rounds.

But I think we have to go with Poe in the first. We need a big time NT fast and he could be our Ngata.

by TorchM on Jan 26, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

If Poe=Ngata than we should definately draft him.

Like I said, I’m not a draftnik. I thought Jake Plummer was going to be the next Montana. Just reading aroung the draft blogs and such, it looks like there are a bunch of really good players slotted to go in that 2nd-3rd round range.

by furthur56 on Jan 27, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft

Interesting-I like the idea of getting more picks. We have the needs and since the draft IS our source of new players-it becomes critical. While I like Hightower, we have to upgrade the O&D-lines. Your draft does not address enough O-line needs. I would be happy if Zeitler was there at 48. Take a look at OTs Nate Potter & Matt McCants. On D-Line, if we can’t get Poe (which looks to be the case) Brandon Thompson in rnd 2 looks good. I like Crick at DE but I believe he will be gone at 88. I love the Igwengua pick at FB-he would look great in Black & Gold. At TE, look at Chichester- 6’7" 240 so he needs to beef up-interesting for a 7th rnd pick (he’s my sleeper.) We also have to look at some Safeties-Tysyn Hartman at FS & Kelcie McCray /Sean Richardson at SS.
We need some hits on players after rnd 2 in this draft-important draft to find players who are ready earlier than our tradition-so I look for 3-4 yr players/starters and smart players.

by 21Clemente on Jan 26, 2012 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Good analysis

I think getting one OL in this draft who can help now is imperative. If they draft more (ie with the Crick pick) I would be happy with that too. I’ll look into the players you suggested if I decide to do another mock, but I would be happy with this draft.

I agree that OT & Safety are needs, I’m just not sure they are needs this year. Remember, everyone wanted us to take a DT last year and we didn’t. Just gotta trust the FO.

Thanks for the comment!

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 27, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Safety is a need soon

This draft just doesn’t have the depth for it.

Your idea is interesting- I’m coming at it from a slightly different angle: I think they should package a couple later round picks, and get themselves an extra second rounder, giving them 3 picks in the first two rounds, with which they can grab an ILB, NT, and OG.

I like Poe, but he seems to be gaining steam, and could be gone early. Hightower I like, but I don’t think he has the speed/coverage skills that are becoming essential in the NFL. Burflict is a possibility, but is a dude with ALL The physical talent in the world, but low maturity/impulse control.

It’s gonna be an interesting draft…

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hightower doesn't move well at all

Not the prospect that McClain was two years ago, and I didn’t really want him either. I think MLB is a little less of a need because Sly will have another offseason to get better and I think we’ll convince Farrior/Foote to lower their salaries.

I think there will be a really good prospect waiting for us at 24. Then we can take somebody like Ta’amu in the 2nd if he lasts that long.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting Scenario

I do like the idea of trading down in such a deep draft, but I think the initial premise might not be feasible. As a USC (the rightful USC) grad, I can not see Alshon Jeffrey falling that far. Unless I missed something, if this is only about being ejected from the bowl game, then I think it is a non-issue. Dennard of Nebraska threw a few punches and Jeffrey pushed him in the facemask. Honestly, the Hines Ward-Ed Reed scuffle a few years back was a bigger deal.

Having said that, if he does fall so far, and people need to move in front of Houston and Denver, I would think we would have a host of offers and probably would get more than typical value, therefore not needing to worry about the differences in points.

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by sctx109 on Jan 27, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know much about Jeffery

Other than what I hear in the media. It appears his stock is falling for whatever reason, but I think he will be a stud. He could fall this far if only because at this point there are two WR’s clearly in front of him on draft boards. We will see what happens, but I agree that if he does fall to 24, we will have amazing offers since he won’t fall past Houston & Denver.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 27, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

People have concerns about his speed and separation.

But they always do with guys built like that, and then you get the Fitzgerald’s of the world. As long as he can out jump, run his routes, and block out people, he’ll be a great player, with or without breakaway speed. I think people see his size and expect him to be Calvin Johnson, but there’s only one Megatron. Jeffrey, however, should model his game after guys like Fitz or Cris Carter, and he’ll be fine.

by JDSpartan on Jan 27, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, a good man!

Always nice to find a fellow Gamecock.

Alshon has game-changing ability. Not necessarily speed, which is causing his draft stock to fall, but the hands, toughness and ability to go get the ball in traffic downfield is excellent. He’s a hell of a team player, and cares about winning above numbers. He’s someone who would scare me in NE. That being said, I don’t know that Alshon is around this deep.

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by glass0941 on Jan 27, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Class of 2006

you?

And I get that he supposedly does not have lightning speed, but he always seems to be running away from people, so who knows. Could be one of those guys that runs faster with the lights on.

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by sctx109 on Jan 28, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks good, too good

I would love to see this draft for us in April but I just don’t see it happening. For one, I think Donta Hightower will go in the top 20. Second, I think BJ Cunningham will go in the 3rd round. I do agree with you completely about drafting a kicker and a fullback. Both will be addressed on the last day of the draft. If Suisham somehow beats out the draft pick in training camp, then good for him and I won’t complain too much. However, we need a similar situation for the kickers like we had with Sepulveda and Kapinos in training camp last season.

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by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 27, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

Be ready for Hightower to be a Steeler regardless

That’s my guess

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by PixburghArn on Jan 28, 2012 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

Looking at the Salary Cap

Do you think it’s viable that we keep that much money locked up in the LB corp? We just handed out big deals to Woodley and Timmons; Harrison is still around. If we were to do that, and I know that rookie deals do not cost as much as they used to, but assuming we want to keep that group together, money would have to be siphoned from other areas, say WRs or the secondary.

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by sctx109 on Jan 28, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Last year, 24th pick Cam Jordan

Signed for 4 years & 7.7 million. That isn’t too shabby to lock up 4 years of great LB’s.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 28, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

At the end of the contract

One of those guys would still need to go if we do not want to be investing quite a bit on LBs. Hightower probably begins to hit his stride in our defense end of year 3 and into year 4, which means we would probably then need to get rid of Timmons or someone else to free up money.

The point I am making is that, in general, I think teams avoid investing too much in one position, although maybe they determine they can not find another Polamalu and therefore will fill the gap with average safeties.

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by sctx109 on Jan 28, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Salary cap is going up after 2012, right?

IIRC, the main concern is that it’s pretty low this year, but it should jump about $20-30M in 2013. I don’t recall the exact numbers.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 28, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I see where you are coming from

But Harrison only has a couple years left, so I don’t think it is that big of a problem. We pay Farrior and Foote more than any draft pick would make.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 28, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No thanks

Doesn’t make enough plays and doesn’t move well enough in space. Can’t spend 1st round money on one-dimensional LBs anymore.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 28, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

exactly this, I’d have no problem drafting a 1st round linebacker. Just one who plays better in space than hightower, or isn’t a nutcase like burfict. So yeah, I don’t think we’ll see a first round LB.

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by Paulie58 on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I do not like Hightower as an every down LB, I wouldn’t mind Burfict if the staff can get his head straight but with the possibility of Butler being gone that won’t happen. Not too mention I think he is practically off the Steelers board.

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by Steel34D on Jan 30, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Zach Brown

if he can add some weight, he could lose a little bit of his speed and still fly around.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

He is too soft at the PoA

He prefers to move around traffic., watch a lot of him at the Senior Bowl and he is a trail and tackle LB perfect for the 4-3 WLB or even the 4-3 MLB. As the Steelers 3-4 ILB you have a gap you are responsible for. You must be able to anchor and hold this gap if ask for and I feel Brown just can’t consistently anchor, stack and the shed a block to make a tackle.

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by Steel34D on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said he'd have to add some weight

that should help with the point of attack issues.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 1, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sly added weight last offseason

And it didn’t really help him with taking on blockers.

Shedding blockers takes more than just strength; it takes a lot of practice and the right mentality to do it.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Zeitler is a player on the rise

Unfortunately, so does the rest of the league.

I enjoyed the writeup, but I am thinking he may not be available at 48. Enough people are watching tape on his teammate Konz that they’re going to say “hmm…that guy playing next to him is also pretty good.”

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by lottwasgangsta on Feb 1, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

I actually see Cleveland trading the #4 to Washington, getting 2012’s 1st, 2nd, & 2013’s 1st & 2nd – which they will use on RGIII. Then at #6, taking Decastro (for the same exact reason that you stated – a once a decade Ol is a must take) & at #22 taking Jeffery (which takes away the need to swap with new England).

I know an interdivisional trade up doesn’t happen often (2006 – Cle & Balt swapped spots – Balt got Ngata, Clev got Wimbley) but that probably what its gonna take to get Decastro in Black & Gold. If your FO was totally enamored by Decastro, what would you give up to get him?

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by J. W. on Feb 1, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Also, with Buffalo and Miami switching to a base 4-3 defense, LB / DE/ & DT’s are gonna get taken this year, does this change any plans that you fellas could think of?

A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
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by J. W. on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Makes our pick more valuable

We could leverage quite a deal to a team looking to move back into the first to secure the player they really want.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Love that draft

The only thing missing is a FS. Someone to groom and take over for Clark. I would take one in the third if one is worth taking there instead of the RB.

Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.

by Black&GoldTrain on Feb 4, 2012 2:51 AM EST reply actions  


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