Colts Hire Bruce Arians for Open Offensive Coordinator Position
In what could be the shortest retirement in history, Bruce Arians reportedly accepted an offer to be the Colts offensive coordinator just eight days after he left the Steelers.
The Steelers claim Arians retired, but Arians says he was not offered a contract for the 2012 season.
Arians was hired by new Colts coach Chuck Pagano, who was Baltimore's defensive coordinator last season. Pagano must have seen something he liked in Arians, despite the Ravens holding the Steelers to 27 points in two games.
Pagano and Arians are two of the latest new hires in the complete overhaul of the Colts organization. Longtime president Bill Polian was fired earlier this offseason, leading to something of a rift between cornerstone player Peyton Manning and owner Jim Irsay. Reports came out this morning the two have spoken and have cleared the air.
The question is who will be Arians' quarterback. All signs indicate the Colts will draft Stanford phenom Andrew Luck with the first overall pick in the 2012 Draft. The Colts owe Manning a bonus of $28 million in March, and speculation exists that Manning may be released.
If he isn't, the Colts will tie up a significant amount of money in their quarterback position, but it may be unavoidable. Even with a healthy Manning, his absence in 2011 exposed the Colts as a very shallow team, talent-wise, and they may not be able to compete next season anyway.
As the Colts continue to overhaul their front office, the roster will be next. They may decide to gut their roster in a rebuilding fashion, which would suggest starting Luck.
In that case, Arians will have perhaps the most important coordinator position in the league. Success in developing Luck quickly into a high-level quarterback could keep him in mind for a head coaching position in a year or two.
This off-season saw many open positions go to relative surprise candidates, like Pagano, and Greg Schiano, who was announced as Tampa Bay's head coach this week. Miami hired Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin as its head coach as well.
Arians was Pittsburgh's offensive coordinator since Ken Whisenhunt was hired as Arizona's head coach in 2007. He called plays in two Super Bowls, winning one. Known as a quarterback-friendly coach, Arians led Pittsburgh's quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, to two Pro Bowls (2007 and 2011), and developed emerging WRs Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown into Pro Bowl level performers as well.
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To whom do we send flowers and letters of condolence?
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Definitely not the rest of the AFC South
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
No way Peyton comes back now.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 28, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it matters.
It was Peyton’s offense anyway, he’s not gonna let Arians control him.
“I throw it deep when I WANT to throw it deep, okay Bruce?!”
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
Peyton's perfect for this, actually.
He has the wisdom to take the short pass.
You do know that Bruce Arians was Peytons QB coach the first three years of his career?
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 28, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
He's right.
Manning is going to get cut pretty soon.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Doesnt matter
They’ll hope he can replicate his success that he had with Manning, this time with Luck
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh.
I just hate the thought of the Colts having another Manning. It’s almost as if they are returning the old quarterback for a new one. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if they draft the next Luck when their soon-to-be Luck retires lol.
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What luck, eh?
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Well Peyton only has 1 ring
So at least its not the next Brady
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
I remember the Texans radio guys talking about that
It was EEEEEARLY in the season, maybe 3 games in, and one of the guys joked “It would be cruel irony if the Colts happen to go 0-16 and then get to pick Luck in the draft. We’ve had a decade of facing Manning, and now we have to face Luck for the next 10-12 years!”
It was just a joke back then..
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 29, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Now it will be reality
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers and Colts could have more ties than just Arians come next year...
…because Mark Kaboly of the Tribune-Review tweeted Mike Tomlin may have interviewed Jim Caldwell this morning.
Those who can...do.
Those who can't... post on message boards using a screen name boasting the name of those who can.
by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 28, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, saw that
Waiting for something more substantial than a source that was “95 percent sure” it was Caldwell. I know I’d recognize Caldwell if I saw him on the street without a 5 percent doubt.
Tomlin did come back from the senior bowl practices though, so it stands to reason he’s back to interview. I would think they’d announce it Monday morning.
I’m not sure if Caldwell is really someone the Steelers need. Outside of being a universally liked guy who coached a player who dominated, what did he do?
More than anything, I’d just like to hear his plans for the offense. Coordinators coach to the direction of their head coach and/or GM/owner. If he can get more out of the whole offense (not just the QB) than the last guy, then great.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
oh no...
if we get caldwell, it’s only a matter of nano-seconds before we start hearing about ben for peyton trade, ben for luck trade, etc…
by BoiseSteeler on Jan 28, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
If you get Caldwell, You are in trouble he has not called an offense since he has been the coach of the Colts.
Tomlin should interview Peyton as OC over Caldwell anyway.
but seriously...
wondering out loud on who/if BA will convince to join him in indy??? Fichtner?
by BoiseSteeler on Jan 28, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Steelers would have to give permission to any coach who’d be looking to interview for a similar position with Indianapolis. i.e. Fichtner couldn’t just interview for the QBs coach position, and I highly doubt the Steelers would give the Colts permission for any of their coaches right now.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting argument...
Peyton had the greatest years of his career, including his only Super Bowl, with Caldwell as his position coach. But how much of that credit do we distribute to Peyton, and how much do we give to Jim? To be sure, it’s not like Jim was in a position in which he had to turn Scott Mitchell into Y.A. Tittle. He could just let Peyton be Peyton.
Now, on the other side, I think any great teacher is also a great learner. Jim has never been an offensive coordinator in the NFL, which kind of defuses the argument that says he’s just some retread. He worked with Tom Moore. If indeed he is Tomlin’s selection, we will see just how much information he gleaned from Moore.
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by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 28, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
I stand corrected.
I never thought Arians would get hired again. The NFL must be very thin at viable OC candidates right now.
Brad Childress was just hired…and Miami hired a head coach who was a coordinator who didn’t call plays. Schiano in Tampa, Allen in Oakland while Cowher sits in the booth. An interesting off-season.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Cowher is too pricey
and has absolute ideas of where he will and will not coach. I don’t think Oakland makes the short list…
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by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 28, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
True. I wasn’t referring specifically to Oakland though, but I get your point.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
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wants NY NYG or is done
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Here we go
How about Ben for the Colts’ first two picks and next year’s first. Right guys?!
Andrew Luck 2012!
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 28, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions
The Colts wouldn’t have the cap room to field a 53-man roster if they had to pay Roethlisberger and Manning.
It’s an interesting thought, though, we’d probably hate Ben, wouldn’t we?
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t actually think the Steelers should trade Ben, but I imagine people will discuss this moving forward.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 28, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whose to say they don't flip Manning to get back into the first round?
Wouldn’t be the most far fetched scenario, would it?
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Perspectives become reality.
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love ur idea, that way Ben is happy playing for his pal
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Can't tell if serious.
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Afraid to ask Magic 8 Ball
At this point large parts of Steeler Nation look like the sad person that spends every breath trashing their ex. Everyone else sees the ex as a pretty decent person. The person tells everyone “if you only knew what I know”. Most people seem to see this as a good move by the Colts. Much of Steeler Nation seem to be saying “Yes he helps develop talent and went to 2 Super Bowl and won one, but the evil SOB leaves the tube off the tooth paste and must die.” Yes more scoring would be great, but this making some of the Arians haters look insane.
Some of the want Martz over Arians but “forget” Martz’s system gets QB’s beat into the ground. Some asked for Cam Carmeon but he is the OC in the AFC North that is seen as predeictable.
At the point the Steeler nation may be past be careful what to wish for and approaching a coyote ugly morning.
May have to give up more duing Lent in the hope that every thing works out in the end.
You speak as though Steelers fans' opinions had any impact on Arians' moving on
I am quite confident that the Rooney’s made this decision based on what they believed was best for the team, not based on any fan outrage at BA. We’ll see how it all plays out, but they have a pretty good track record since Dan took over for his dad.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 28, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
He called Bean, actually
They conferenced me in, the three of us kicked it and had a chat. We said, “Dan, this is your call. You have the support of SteelerNation.”
He said, “Neal, thank you, that’s what I hoped to hear. We’re gonna make a move, but you can’t say anything.”
I said, “yes, sir!”
Then we talked basketball for a bit. Good times…nice dude.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
What nonsense on so many levels
People disagree with you and think a talented team is underachieving on offense because of imbalance and rigidity. This makes us insane haters, and our lack of glowing praise will bring bad karma to the team. Fasting during Lent is going to help things. Maybe the 8 Ball has the answers.
Don’t mind me. I’m the one who is mentally imbalanced.
Nonsense?
No nonsense is complaining about Ben getting sacked and then hoping Martz would get hired or crying about how predictable Arians is and wishing for Cam Cameron. Yes this makes those fans that wanted this insane. The 8 ball has no answers at this point.
I am not saying that people should blow smoke up Arians butt, but the trashing a guy that has devloped the talent he has and has 2 sb apperances looks insane when you look at the points made at time. 31 Turnovers and a 13 TO differential did more to effect scoring than play calling in my opinion. The Ward and Miller fumbles in the 1st Cle. game were painful. The 2 Redman fumbles in the 2nd game made things a mess also.
The level of blood lust against Arians is insane. The “I hate becuse I care” ethos that may of the Arians haters have scream bad karma.
At this point I am fearful of what is coming next. A blue collar offense with an race race offensive roster raises more questions than answers.
by Willard Taylor on Jan 29, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Where in this story and thread did anything resembling this occur?
Some of the want Martz over Arians but "forget" Martz’s system gets QB’s beat into the ground. Some asked for Cam Carmeon but he is the OC in the AFC North that is seen as predeictable……complaining about Ben getting sacked and then hoping Martz would get hired or crying about how predictable Arians is and wishing for Cam Cameron…
…The level of blood lust against Arians is insane…..
You on the right thread?
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Yes I am on the right tread
Well here is a post that mentioned Carmeon
Cam Cameron
Is excellent despite ravens fans complaints. With the exception of a couple games ignoring ray rice look what he does with limited talent. Flacco is average at best and he ALWAYS has a check down option available. I thing ravens fans dislike him because they think they have a lot of offensive talent. They don’t. Cam is going a nice job with what he has and was terrific in San Diego I would take him in a heartbeat
by scottd7
and this one
My top two picks aren’t happening
After he was fired from the Dolphins, I wanted Cam Cameron. He OC’d excellent offenses when he was Marty’s OC with the Chargers. I hear that Ravens fans hate him, but I think that if he had Ben at QB, his offenses would reflect more what you saw when he was at SD than what he has now with Flacco at QB.
Norv hasn’t been fired yet, but he’d be even better than Cam. He coordinated one of the more dominant offenses in memory, when he was the Cowboys’ OC back in ’91-92. They did have an excellent OL, but they also made great use of the TE and FB in the passing game while still showing a top running game. How about a little PA at the goal-line?
After that, I could see Tomlin hiring a young up and comer, much like the approach the Rooney’s took with him. As has been noted elsewhere on this blog, every new hire that Tomlin has brought in has been a success (OL, special teams, and CBs all saw improvement with his new coaches brought in). I trust Tomlin to find a good young OC to bring improvements to the offense.
by WolfpackSteelersFan
Martz was also posted but shot down too. Bottom line it has done. Believe it or not wrote that on Martz and Cameron. See nothing out of cotext.
by Willard Taylor on Jan 29, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Let me repeat my first question
Where in this story (meaning the one you see when you scroll up right now) and thread (the comments you see associated with this story) did anything resembling this occur?
You quote with no links, so are you saying they are on another page, not this one. because although it is quite possible those quotes are accurate but they relate to a different story and comment thread than this one.
Why don’t you argue that on that thread. It doesn’t have as much context without what you are responding to. You are draggin on something which doesn’t respond to what is being said here.
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Okay
But they did happen on this blog and it was about the Steeler OC issues.
Here is a link to an article by Gerry Dulac on being an OC. I loved it.
I will state again. This seems to have moved past “Be careful for what you wish for” and now Is comming up quick on a “Coyote Ugly morning”. Could it get better? I hope so, but losing Butler does not help. We may even lose more of our free agents than normal. Only time will tell how this will go.
by Willard Taylor on Jan 29, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wait til the showdown
Speculative conversations, although fun at first, eventually devolve into “who really knows” and people assuming what the facts really are. I think anyone can have an opinion, even if I don’t agree with it. because I don’t think too many people on here are real ‘insiders’ and if they are they do a good job of maintaining confidentiality.
We don’t know Butler is gone, we don’t really know who is being considered for OC (no inside info seems to be available here)….BA, well, again, unless you are on the inside, how does anyone really know what was going on. I will live with whoever they get, I don’t think letting BA’s contract expire was a catastrophic decision by any means. That he was never considered for an HC position means something. If the next person they sign is considered for HC, then we will know it was a good decision (that will imply positive impact upon the O).
As a general observation, Patience is a virtue, wait until they sign the dotted line, and then lets see what happens after Pre-Season.
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Also
Thanks for the link, it was a good article I had missed over the weekend. I can see why you like it, and the writer makes some really good points. But I found this interesting to note from it:
….the Steelers went 10-5-1 (2002) and made it to the AFC divisional playoff round, where they lost in Tennessee on a controversial penalty on cornerback Dewayne Washington for running into kicker Joe Nedney.
By ’03, Mularkey had become so enamored with the passing game that quarterback Tommy Maddox attempted 519 passes that season — a club record that still stands. But the Steelers fell to 6-10, and Mularkey was widely criticized for disdaining the run, a point that never was more evident than when the Steelers attempted 38 passes in a blizzard in a 6-0 loss against the New York Jets.
After the season, Cowher admitted that he, too, had been smitten with the passing game and the Steelers had strayed too far from the run.
Deja Vu all over again?
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Not Quite
I am not feeling that. 2003 was 6 – 10 and 2011 is 12 – 4. A smitten playoff team is a lot easier to liive with.
The wierd thing about citical about the Steeler and the run is in 2010 only 7 teams had more run attempt than the Steelers and people felt the had gotten away from the run. In 2011 the Steeler ran the ball 37 fewer times but only gained 21 fewer yards.
Losing Matt Spaeth may have impacted the run game more that people would have thought when he leat.
by Willard Taylor on Jan 30, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
One thing needs to be said before anyone canonizes Arians for 2 Superbowls.
He was extremely fortunate to beat a 9-7 team and that only because of a super play at the end.
In the Superbowl loss, they could have won. Forget the fumble. Forget the “any given Sunday” crap! He lost to a 10-6, wild card team. The play calling for the first 3 quarters was atrocious. And if Ben almost pulled it out, as he did against Az, it simply shows our offense was under-used.
No, it's your hyperbole that's out there
Blood lust? Hate? First of all, those words mean something in some parts of the world. There is no violence here at all. Second, if you’re going to throw around theae allegations, back it up with a citation some time. Finally, ask yourself what Belichick would do with this talent. He would have another bullet in the gun besides the long bomb to Wallace and the bubble screen. And i said it before, turnovers are notcompletely random, they reflect on the offensive protection schemes.
Nope Feet on the Ground
No literal blood in the streets (I never said a lynch mob was being sent the the coaches house) , but the Behind the Steel Curtain Blog I have read had some pretty hateful post directed at Coach Arians. Here a a couple.
If Bruce Arians were to pass away next week….
….many of the posters on this blog would insist he be buried in bubble wrap.
Not that anyone wishes that would happen…
or that there’s anything wrong with that.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
by Homer J.
I think I am too young to read the post after a lost in the game treads lol. Plenty of materail there.
Not sure you should mention Belichick. If I am wrong fine, but i get the feeling from your tone that you may have called for his head. Think about it. 2nd biggest upsent in SB history 2 one and done playoffs and a missed playoff. The New England Defense has ben alowing more yard and points. WR are playing CB. By the way how big was the lead that the Pats blew against the colts? How is that for citation for facts.
If rings and playoff wins are the utimate measure of sucess with talent then the Steelers seems to have done better as of late. Bubble sceens and all.
by Willard Taylor on Jan 29, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Peyton is gonna love this
He already runs the offense; hell this might just be the ticket for BA to actually look like he knows what he’s doing. Peyton > BA
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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by Wichita SunSteeler on Jan 28, 2012 5:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They'll just make him a bona fide WR
Not like they have tons of talent at the position.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
he will become the next champion on bubble screens?
"Everytime NE Patriots lose, Football wins", myself
Good Luck, Luck
As much as I wanted to see him go, I think playing atleast half their games in a dome will make Arians look better than he really is. It’s a lot easier throwing the ball 40 times in a dome than it is in Cleveland or wherever in December. Arians is a Martz wannabe and Martz’s offense worked the best playing majority of games indoors. But with no o-line in Indy or skilled talent around him, he might get Luck killed or at the very least have him running for his life before he has a chance to settle in and develop his game. I think it will be either boom or bust for him, if he stinks there he will be done in the NFL, but if he succeeds we might be squaring off against our old OC as a head coach somewhere.
Fortunately Arians pissed Wallace off
Otherwise, he may be looking to go free agent in 2013. Only so many franchise tags to go around…
What?
When did he piss Wallace off?
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 28, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Toward the end of the year
The first Cleveland game, after Brown had the big play, Wallace stormed out of the locker room and didn’t speak to reporters. Obviously I don’t know if that was his problem, but he didn’t get the ball much that game, iirc.
Plus, Wallace fell a tad bit short of his goal of 2,000 yards. Started off on fire, saw less and less passes as Brown emerged.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 28, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well we’ll have none of this prima dona WR crapola.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
The more I think about it the more I think this is a good hire for the Colts
The Colts need a near total rebuilding effort, with or without Peyton. Bruce Arians is very good at developing young talent, getting them ready to play at an NFL level. He also can develop a playbook that fits the talents of his players, that is designed to fit their strengths. My only beef with him was his playcalling ability on game day. Peyton will handle that if he’s there, and if not, well, 2 or 3 years down the road, after Pagano fixes the Colts’ defense, they can hire a new OC who will have a stacked team to work with. For the situation the Colts are in, the could’ve done a lot worse than BA.
He was terrible at scheming for a teams strengths or weakness, that was a big problem I had with him. If our o-line was the best or worst it had no effect on his playcalling, same with injuries, if he was good at scheming he wouldn’t try to pass the ball 40 times with a QB on one leg that can’t move. At the very least he should have helped protect him more but he never did, he called the same plays here that he did in Cleveland with Holcomb at QB. And he may or may not have helped in the development of the wr’s but I think he stunted Ben’s development, Ben plays the same way as he did before, just because he throws it more doesn’t mean he throws it better or makes better decisions when he throws. Having a rookie QB throw 40 times with no talent around him will mostly likely hamper his development and get him injured and shell shocked, I think it is a terrible hire for anybody, let alone a team in the Colts position with the state of their offense and most likely a rookie QB.
by SteelCity G on Jan 28, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't disagree with you more...
BA didn’t scheme towards the opposing teams strengths and weaknesses, he schemed for our teams strengths and weaknesses. Sure, I had problems with BA’s playcalling, who doesn’t, but to say he stunted Ben’s development is flat-out wrong. What will it take for you to accept Ben for the QB he is, instead of deriding him for not being Tom Brady? He’s never going to be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, never going to be as accurate, never going to be as sharp and consistent on his progressions as those guys. Deal with it. Led Zepplin was a really good rock band, but guys like you would probably talk crap about them and would never allow yourself to appreciate their music simply because they didn’t have as many hits as the Beatles. No QB is Tom Brady. Ben has always and will always make some poor decisions, let’s face it, it’s who he is. Yet, despite having this horrible debilitating handicap of not being Tom Brady, Ben seems to put together top 10 QB yardage seasons and gets his team to the playoffs year after year. He plays the game with passion and toughness rare for his position and has a knack for coming up big in big games. I honestly can not fathom what he has left to do to prove himself worthy to you. The guy is literally made for the Steelers. Appreciate him, enjoy him while he’s here, don’t be overcritical, cause chances are the guy who follows him won’t be Tom Brady either.
IF BA schemed for the Steelers' strengths and weaknesses
then what do you classify consistently throwing fade routes with a one-legged, one-thumbed QB as?
Or how about running his deep routes expecting Ben to have 4,5, even 6 seconds in the pocket with our O-Line? Yeah, I don’t really think he schemed to alleviate our offensive weakenesses.
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now i understand why he let BB run for his life each play
He also can develop a playbook that fits the talents of his players
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still glad he is gone
Being in a dome will help his pass happy offense. Still he is a bad situational football coach. Either Luck will be running for his life or killed behind BA.
by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 28, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions
outside looking in...
Raven’s DC now Colts HC, looks around the room for the best available OC, and chooses Ariens, while weve not found a OC and interviewing in my opinion a down grade for OC ?..
If you ask me it was a mistake letting Arians go… more knee jerk reaction then, thought out, or we would of had a OC signed already
we may get Fichtner and have Batch become QB coach
BA was awful with calling plays granted some the problems was with the OL but there were too many bubble screens that just came out of nowhere and we have had problems in the red zone for years. These problems did not just crop up overnight it was a pattern. Too many empty sets with a pours OL and he was just that get.
by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 28, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
I dont see it happening...
will just put added pressure on our coaching staff…… an inexperienced OC, ( a likely replacement for Kirby due to his injuries) thus a new hire for RB coach…. then to throw in a third skil position inexperienced coach in Batch….
I think management had made this decision some time back, but then didnt fairly evaluate Arians in over all offensive team coaching needs…. Flichner has now done his second stint with us, them interviewing the job out now…tells me next year, if not sooner he will be harvested from our coaching pool as well for better OC position..
by OR69faithfull on Jan 28, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fichtner
He said he has no desire to be an OC so I doubt that will happen.
Sure you’re not thinking of Kugler?
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by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 28, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake
It was Kugler, not Fitchner, I apologize for the error.
by SteelCity G on Jan 28, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
it was a mistake letting Arians go… more knee jerk reaction then, thought out, or we would of had a OC signed already
You don’t know more about the situation than the FO, bro, so let’s stop acting like it.
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I dont have to .....
what I do know is Tomlin wanted Arians for his OC……..
by OR69faithfull on Jan 28, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
more inmportant....I could care less what yopu think Riddlah
by OR69faithfull on Jan 28, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I believe this was coming for the past couple of years; not much of a knee jerk reaction
and Ben lobbied enough last year to keep him. It’s time for some fresh ideas. I sincerely doubt that anyone beside Ben was so hellbent on keeping BA.
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Are we interviewing the janitor?
and interviewing in my opinion a down grade for OC ?
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DRAFT
ONCE AGAIN, the PATS have 2 first round draft choices, I am getting tired of this.
Out of Luck
Before they even drafted him. Poor kid. The last thing a rookie needs is an enabler for an OC
This is a good week
First, Chuck Pagano leaves the division after the Ravens lose in the most excruciating fashion possible to the Patriots. Then Arians joins him after crying about his job here. I so wish we had the Colts on the schedule in 2012. Colts fans are gonna find out real quick that Arians sucks. He was horrible in Cleveland, he was not good with us, and he is gonna flat out be terrible in Indy. This time around though, he won’t have a top 3 defense and a scrambling QB bailing him out.
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by steeler_chris_5 on Jan 28, 2012 8:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
denver
hired del rio last night very good DC
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
so…does this ruin the credibility of the “no one else wants him” crowd here?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Not really
Generally, an OC on a SB team will be pursued for HC positions, but there was never a sniff of interest in BA for any HC position. Other teams can’t approach coordinators for coordinator positions unless the current team grants permission. A team wouldn’t grant permission unless they were going to just fire him anyway, which they would go ahead and do.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 28, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Arians was picked up only because there were so many positions available in the NFL this year. So anyone was bound to “Luck” into a job.
Come on, that’s ridiculous. No one is just going to hire a face because there “so many positions available”
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Like any offensive coordinator, every fan thinks they suck when they have a bad day, but I think Arians is going to perform well in Indy, whether he has Luck as QB or Manning
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
There are/were more available openings for coaching positions this year than the last number of years. When that happens in business and the pool isn’t the best, employers will hire whomever they think is the best of those available regardless of their records. Teams desperate for change seem to look for help with at least some experience rather than going with untried people.
If Peyton were to leave Indy AND play elsewhere....
My bet would be the Jets. He would be closer to Eli AND he would get a chance to play with a decent team AND “stick it to the Colts”. Remember what he told the Colts when they drafted him. If they passed on him, he would make them regret it by kicking their butts on a regular basis (not in those exact words, but similar in meaning). Don’t know how he would co-exist with Rex, though.
I don’t think he’d ever go to a team like the Jets. They are a dysfunctional and poorly run franchise. I believe they have cap issues as well, and even if he doesn’t get what he got from Indy, he’s still going to be expensive.
I don’t think being close to your family matters when you have your own private jet.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I basically said that because of a statement made by Eli and.....
The Mannings are known to be a close knit family (according to the media). Also I m referring back to the statement made by Peyton when he was drafted by the Colts. I know that the Jets are dysfunctional (very) and “may” have cap problems. As far as Peyton having his own private jet where did you get that – or are you “assuming” that? It is just my personal opinion as far as him going to the Jets. I think that IF he plays, it will be with someone who has a shot at winning an ALC and a SB. And I think that Sanchez is not really embraced by the Jets fans. He has not produced.
Because their QBs suck and they aren’t in a position to draft one, is my guess.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Well if that’s the case, it’s the same situation with the Jets.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
next year Seahawks might have a better defense than the Jets and the 49ers already do. The jets are in a downfall imho
I am "definitely" not a Jets fan - especially Rex Ryan.
Sanchez has definitely been a disappointment. And the “discord” in the locker room is a major distraction. They need some veterans to step up to the plate. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to get a new coach (lol).
So many ignorant comments
Bruce Arians was actually Peyton Mannings first ever Quarterbacks coach in his NFL career. Between Arians and Tom Moore they had Peyton throw for over 12000 yards his first three seasons.
Those of you saying that he cant develop rookies, well look at Peyton, then look at what he managed with our 2nd day Draft pick Wide Receivers. He knows how to develop players, he was just lack luster at calling plays.
You cant say he doesnt know how to coach an offense.
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 28, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Coaching an offense and calling offensive plays are different. He was horrible at times calling plays and sometimes masterful. But he was damn good at getting the best out of our offensive players talent wise, he just couldnt seem to ever find a way to be consistent with strategy
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
He was really only good at scripting the first 15
I always noticed that he was really good at attacking the defense at the start of the game, but couldn’t adjust if the defense starting throwing new wrinkles at him.
After the first half, it was kind of a crapshoot with him.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
+15
Definitely good with the opening scripted plays. Not so good at adjusting. I hope we can find someone good to replace him. However, I think it will be Caldwell. Not very excited about that.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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Me neither
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Let me ask you a question
Coach Dad, how good of a Head Coach was he in Cincy? Does his terrible job there mean that he is a bad DC? Does his job as DC in Pittsburgh excuse his lack of skills in the top job in Cincy?
Just because Arians wasn’t a great OC and wasn’t a fit for Ben (who needs a coach who doesn’t let him do whatever he wants), doesn’t discount his job in the past as a QB Coach. It is likely that Arians should never have been an OC. He did a great job with Ben as a QB coach, but play calling was never his talent.
Why is it that saying Bruce Arians isn’t a good OC is the same as saying he wasn’t a good Quarterbacks coach? Disapproving of a man who never stopped being predictable doesn’t mean he doesn’t have talents in other areas, and being hired by the Colts doesn’t excuse his inability to get more out of the Steelers’ offense than he did.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 29, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Apples and oranges. Cincy didn’t have the talent at the time and don’t even get started on the ownership.
Coach Dad isn't a HC, he is a DC
That isn’t apples and oranges. Just as Romeo Crennel won’t be a good head coach this time around, but he is a great DC. Just because someone is good at one job doesn’t mean they will equally good if you promote them.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 29, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thats basically what I said?
I’m not sure if you are arguing with me or agreeing with me
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe a little of both.
Manning was an exception, ready to play at the NFL level as have been a number of others. He might not have needed as much coaching and guidance as others. And it helps to have good receivers.
We’ll never know how well an OC that had success with one QB would have done with a mediocre QB out of college.
Goodness knows there were a lot of QBs that performed fantastic in college but were busts in the pros. Some with better than average talent were probably mishandled and failed while others received better help and had success.
Most times a OC gets that one chance to “make” a QB very good or even great. if so, he’s done a good job. But that doesn’t mean he can turn any college prospect into a Namath or Starr or Brady. Don’t forget, many teams have specific QB coaches and those play maybe a more important role since the OC has to spend time developing plays. I wonder how much credit they get?
We’ll see how Bruce does with Luck. His advantage is that Luck is a very talented QB. It might be different if Indy’s choice wasn’t as talented.
Wasn't arguing with you
Just thought it was the appropriate thread to post my thoughts on the matter.
Sorry!
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I never thought I'd see BA wind up as the Colts OC. But then again, I never thought I'd be entertaining the thought of Peyton Manning wearing another uniform.
$28 million is a helluva lot of money, though.
Colts overrtated!
Yea, they got Manning know they might get lucky! They will have a long way to go just like they did with Manning in his younger days. However if this might be Manning’s last stop. It has been a pleasure watching him play, especially when they lost. They got Arians and I am happy for him. He might end up the Head coach of that team.
Hard Work Pays Off!!
imagine
Manning going to the Jags. Not that I think its likely but wouldnt it be a good fit? Decent defense, strong running game and a chance to stick it to the Colts twice a year. I know, not likely and few receiving threats.
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by steeltech on Jan 29, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
there is always the draft lol
trade everything for justin blackmon and alshon jeffery!
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I almost hope Peyton retires.
Right now, Irsay looks like a complete jagoff in this situation. Rob Lowe making “statements”? Really? In my mind, Irsay can say whatever he wants, but, his handling of the whole Peyton situation says lack of character, lack of integrity and lack of ethics to me.
Peyton has been an exceptional player and a stand up gentleman throughout his whole career. I haven’t seen his bank statement this month, but I’m guessing he’s financially secure so having to “go to work” isn’t an issue. His injuries are significant and while surgery was successful, I sure would hate to see him behind a lousy O-line and take a risk of horrible further problems.
Irsay and the Colts are a perfect example of what not to do: Put the team on the back of a single player and not have a plan B. On the other side of that coin, it is clear to anyone willing to see, that Peyton Manning not only was a killer QB, he IS the Colts. No Peyton and the offense sucks, and after a few games, the defense seemed to say “what’s the point.” They played their hearts out against us. They beat their divisional rival the Titans. But all in all, Peyton is the success of the organization.
He deserves much, much better than Irsay is producing and I sincerely hope I don’t see him in another uniform besides the Colts. Ever. Very much like Hines Ward.
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You do realize that the very reason why they're in their current situation is because they built the team around Peyton?
Thats the main reason they should move away from the Manning era and draft Luck. Maybe they’ll actually be a complete team now.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Or they could draft a good QB prospect and let one of the best in the business teach him how it is to be a franchise QB. And no… I’m not talking about BA.
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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Peyton has more than $28 million due to him next season
You would spend that much on him, plus spending another guaranteed $20-24 million on his heir apparent? Good luck fielding a competitive team.
Who else do you plan on having on offense with him? And how are you going to make your defense better? In your scenario there’s hardly any money left to revamp the team unless you start cutting and trading guys like crazy.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
That contract
was done at the beginning of this season, right before or during training camp, correct? You don’t think there was a hint that Peyton wasn’t going to be healthy enough to play this year? And I seem to remember the NFL Network falling all over Irsay because he declined Peyton’s offer to take a lot less on the penned contract.
The Steelers are 22M over the cap, don’t you expect that contracts are going to be renegotiated to accommodate? I do. In fact, one of the “old guys” already said he was willing to play for a helluva lot less just to remain a Steeler.
I don’t think it’s so far out of the realm of possibility that Peyton wouldn’t do something similar, just to retire where he started.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
The Colts aren't the Steelers
And Peyton is not taking that much less just to remain a Colt. They lost 13 games in a row without him, so why would he come back to noncontending team? The fact that they almost went winless speaks volumes about the direction the organization was going for years, even though Peyton was still saving the day.
Peyton is a victim of his own success. Even when he was at UT they structured the team around him and the offense, yet they never got as far as they could’ve had they concentrated on making the whole team dominant. The year after he leaves UT, they win the national title with Tee Martin at QB and a dominant defense.
IMO they need to move on. Three neck surgeries in a year doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I can't disagree with a single thing you've said
The way this is being handled though, man. It lacks class in every department.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
How can you say this...
but, his handling of the whole Peyton situation says lack of character, lack of integrity and lack of ethics
…about a man who’s family trucked an NFL team out of Baltimore in the middle of the night?
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
… and does their announcements through Rob Lowe, denies it and expects no one to question them. Right… I see your point and the trend continues.
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Luck maybe not so lucky.
If the Colts draft Andrew Luck, he’ll get about as much guidance from BA as Ben did. In other words: ZERO. Peyton Manning already knows more about offensive strategy than Cousin Brucie, so they’re OK if he decides to return.
Maybe the Colts FO thinks BA will perk up their abysmal offense. In reality, though, any improvement won’t be due to Arians, it’ll be because of either Manning or Luck.
I think they brought in Bruce because he coached up Manning for his first several years in the league, iirc. I guess they are hoping he can do the same to Luck.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I’ve read a lot of comments about how BA “developed” Ben.
Am I missing the fact that Ben played a couple of really great seasons BEFORE BA came along? 15-1 ain’t too shabby fro a first year. Couple of playoffs and Superbowl win. And until 2007, he really didn’t do too badly. Then all of a sudden, we’re to credit BA with this mystical emergence because he throws for 4000 yards in a league that’s become the Professional NCAA ?
I guess Ben was just lucky those years.
BA took a QB that was already good. What exactly did BA do that Ben didn’t do for 3 years?
You think you know Arians better than you do
You cannot deny that he is outstanding at coaching and getting the most out of someones talents. He just sucks at playcalling.
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 30, 2012 4:48 AM EST up reply actions

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