Ben Roethlisberger Deserves to Know Where the Steelers Offense is Headed
by Anthony Defeo on Jan 28, 2012 10:20 PM EST
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PrintWith the departure of Bruce Arians as Steelers offensive coordinator last week, it was only a matter of time before Ben Roethlisberger shared his feelings on the matter. Not surprisingly, Big Ben wasn't exactly happy about Arians' exit, and he has stated that he wants to have a heart-to-heart with team President Art Rooney II to get a feel for what the boss wants, and where the owner sees the offense heading in the future.
What Big Ben said is not sitting well with many in Steeler Nation. I can't say that I'm surprised. Even before Roethlisberger weighed in with his thoughts, many Steelers fans were hoping he would keep his mouth shut about Arians' dismissal and just accept that his offensive coordinator was gone.
There are many who want Roethlisberger to just keep quiet, period, as if the title of franchise quarterback wields no power whatsoever. Well, nothing can be further from the truth, especially when it's a quarterback who has accomplished as much as No. 7 has in his first eight seasons.
Roethlisberger is 80-33 in his career as a starter and 10-4 in postseason games--including a 2-1 record in three trips to the Super Bowl. I'd say he's earned the right to voice his opinions and deserves to know what direction his bosses will want him to steer the ship in the immediate future.
You might say that other players like Troy Polamalu and James Farrior have earned the right to have an equal say, and to a point they have, but make no mistake, when you're an elite quarterback in the NFL, you have the most clout. In addition to those stats I just rattled off, there are 100 million other reasons why Ben Roethlisberger is more than just "one of the guys."
If I were the Rooney family, the front office, and Coach Tomlin, I'd want my starting quarterback to have the guts to voice his opinion.You want him to be the leader. Should he have gone through the proper chain of command and knocked on Tomlin's door first? Who's to say he didn't? Regardless of whether or not he kept his mouth shut, Roethlisberger was going to have that sit-down with Rooney, and sooner or later, it was going to come out. And I can almost guarantee you the reaction would have been the same: "Who does he think he is?"
I'll tell you who he is. He's a quarterback who is in the same class as players named Brady, Manning and Rodgers. And regardless of where he is in the pecking-order, he's part of an exclusive club, and every single one of those guys has power within their organization, and their opinion matters to their bosses.
Roethlisberger should be no different.
Some people think that Big Ben should be kept in the dark about the direction of the offense, that he should have no input at all. I don't agree with that sentiment. The franchise quarterback should absolutely be part of the brain-trust in finding the next coordinator and shaping the type of offense the Steelers are going to run.
I can't believe anyone would want it any other way.
You don't think Tom Brady has an influence on the Patriots offense? What about Drew Brees or Eli Manning in their respective systems? Of course they do.
There are also some that feel that Roethlisberger would benefit from having an offensive coordinator that he couldn't be close with. In-fact, people have said that a coach who is more a of disciplinarian is what Roethlsiberger needs. Maybe if he was 22 or 23 and right out of college, but Big Ben will be 30 years old the next time he throws a football in a meaningful game, and he's earned the right to have a coach that he can be comfortable with. It doesn't have to be someone that he takes to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl, but he doesn't need someone getting in his face at every turn. In my opinion, that would be counter-productive.
Dick Lebeau is one of the best defensive coordinators who ever coached in the NFL--he owns a yellow jacket that proves that much--but he's also one of the most beloved by his players. Coach Dad has proven that a coordinator can treat his charges with respect and still get them to play up to their highest potential.
Finally, a successful quarterback is like a star of a television show. Is he technically the boss? No, but there would be no show without the big star, and if you bring in a new director, the star and the director need to be able to work together in-order to get the best out of the character.
Regardless of what you think of him, Ben Roethlisberger was the single-most important ingredient in the team's recent Super Bowl success. Moving forward, he'll continue to be the most important ingredient in the organization's quest for future championships.
I think his opinion should count for something.
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Well said...
…everyone just assumes Ben 2.0 is going to be immature about this (belated consequences of Ben 1.0) but he has every right to ask questions, to listen, and to be heard.
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Ben's Development
Ben has won 2 Super Bowl’s and is regarded as one of the leagues best quarterbacks. That’s where it is and if he doesn’t see another Super Bowl that’s where it will stay. However, that’s not in the game plan for the Rooney’s they want two more Super Bowls. Frankly I don’t see it happening on the strength of big Ben’s QB abilities. That does not mean Ben is not good but it means in the words of James Harrison his teammate " he ain’t Tom Brady or Peyton Manning". My question to Ben would be."Are trying to get any better than you are now? If so then the Rooney’s should hear what he has to say and take these things into account. If I were to bet I would say that Ben is not working as hard on the off season as Brady,Manning or Drew Brees. I have been challenged when I made this comment with “He got 2 Super Bowls Manning only has 1.”. I said yea and the Rooney’s want 2 more. They want the 100 million dollar worth. Ben was the missing piece we needed. I can look back in the K. Stewart days and remember how good our defense was but we just never had an offense to compliment our defense. The biggest offensive star on the team was the Bus. The offense could move the ball but had problems converting on 3rd down. In comes Big Ben, and we went 15-1 his rookie season. I do not want to take credit from Big Ben but it wasn’t just him.The Rooney’s are trying to get the running attack back and ask Ben to make the 3rd down conversions. We’ll keep hi-powered offense’s off the field and give our defense can get good rest. I still see a hi-powered offense in the making for the Steeler’s, but to pass on every down is just plain silly anyway. Ben has proven he’s not a very intense intelligent player but he has proven to be talented. He should sit back and let the coach’s coach and display his talents. One more point. Ben cannot stay in the pocket and throw the ball. The bad offensive line was a blessing for him. The 49ers defense showed that he has more improving to do when it comes to pocket passing. Ben can spend more time on the off season studying defenses and imporving his knowledge of the game.
Hard Work Pays Off!!
by greenm on Jan 29, 2012 5:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To say they pass on every down, well, that would be silly. Mendenhall rushed for over 1000 yards in '09 and '10, and he would have done the same last season if he wasn't hurt.
Those great Steelers teams of the 90’s and early 00’s had great defenses and rushing attackes, and it didn’t get them to a Super Bowl trophy. Ben Roethlisberger is the one of the most naturally talented quarterbacks in the NFL. Case closed.
by Anthony Defeo on Jan 29, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Are you done not making sense?
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
right
so you judge a guy based off his play on a bum ankle on a game that was delayed two times?
Please.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
feelings
Your feelings as to what Ben does or does not do mean nothing. Back it up with some facts. I will give you a hint about where Ben stands in relation to those other Quarterbacks, better than you think. Check out Kerry Byrne’s Cold Hard Football Facts and KC Joyner on this issue. If anything, Ben is underrated by most people.
Yep.
I had a chuckle reading this Bleacher Report. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1043356-pittsburgh-steelers-what-could-happen-when-roethlisberger-and-rooney-meet/page/6
It is just me or is Andrew Luck already a hall of fame caliber QB?
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by CheekyMonkey on Jan 30, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I expect that he will be told where the offense is headed
I definitely agree that Ben doesn’t need some strong-armed jerk to come in and start barking orders at him. However, he does need someone to rein him in somewhat and give him better direction. In the past week or two, I brought up the example of Brett Favre. When Mike McCarthy took over as the Packers HC, he told Favre that he needed to put in the preparation and play within the system, and Favre went on to have his best seasons in years. I think Ben can perform better than he did this past year with the same kind of structure and direction.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 28, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Also
As PaVa said, I do expect to Ben to handle this like a professional, and I expect the FO and coaching staff to treat him as a professional.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 28, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
as i mentioned in the past, i’m not a super-intelligent person regarding football, the details of how it is played, etc..
as a fan, i recall last year Rooney Jr made a few comments after the season of how he wanted the team to run the ball more (and he wanted rookies to get implemented quicker into the system too). after BA didn’t get a contract renewal, my mind played back several times to our red zone opportunities (first and goal, first and one) that we couldn’t punch the ball in. i recalled feeling that we could score easier from the 30 than from the 10.
i may have a simplistic view of the game, but perhaps the changes are nothing more than that, and all involved felt a fresh OC is needed to fix it. i’m sure ben gave his input before leaving for hawaii, and is naturally upset that changes are being made counter to his input. and yes, i’m sure he will be professional about it.
like many of us in steelernation, i am proud of the stability in the organization, and when there is a situation like this, it has me scratching my head. i do trust that the FO and tomlin will reveal/explain in due time, but probably won’t be resolved until after ben gets back to town so they can all meet.
by BoiseSteeler on Jan 29, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
perhaps the changes are nothing more than that, and all involved felt a fresh OC is needed to fix it.
I think that’s exactly it. I don’t necessarily agree with either side in this BA debate, either that he’s just a horrible OC that needed to go, or that he was great and the OL problems are the main reason for his offenses’ shortcomings. I do think it was time to move on, but I also think it’s entirely possible that moving on could be a setback and our next OC will be worse.
However, like I’ve said before, I like the Rooneys and Tomlin’s track record in regard to this move, so I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll see real improvement in the offense going forward.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 29, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Media made this bigger than it is.
The first day this came out all they showed was text that every talking head inserted a bit of attitude into when they read it. When you see the video, Ben looks totally reasonable and he’s just answering a question that was posed to him. I see his comments as understandable, but maybe he didn’t need to go into that much depth. No big deal.
That being said, it is well known that BA was too friendly and enabling with the irresponsible part of Ben’s play. Yeah, Ben is a great QB, but there are always improvements to be made. He’s got to answer to someone. BA didn’t push Ben to be the best he can be, he just helped him rack up yards and launch it deep.
Ben deserves some say and respect in the matter as long as he is open to the recommended improvements. I hope that when they meet, Rooney is prepared with about 50 examples of plays where Ben should have checked down to a RB or nearby receiver.
Do you disagree?
Watch any game from this season alone and you’ll find at least 3, some games it’s more like 5-10.
Assertions
If someone is making an assertion of fact, then it is their duty to provide the proof of those facts to others. You can ask people if they disagree, but your statements that it happened without more are meaningless.
There are hundreds of unproven "assertions" on here everyday.
Should I go through every comment ever made on this blog, so that I can prove that statement? If you expect people to prove every opinion they share with specific examples, this blog will get a lot less interesting.
FrankWyt and some other people here seem to think that they have proven someone wrong simply by requiring proof that they will never get, usually because it would be a massive waste of time. It’s a pretty cheap argument that doesn’t impress me and just annoys a lot of people. It’s also a great way to start a long drag-on argument which, looking at his history, FrankWyt seems to enjoy.
So I’ll go on sharing my opinions and getting into reasonable arguments now and then, while others can go on demanding specific proof for every comment they see.
Good thing you got all that off a four word sentence fragment. No one thought anyone proved anything wrong. But that person, along with people like you seem to present your opinion as cold hard facts. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask someone to back up their opinion that they’ve stated as fact.
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In this case it is unreasonable.
You expect me to find a way to watch every game since Arians has been OC and record at least 50 examples, then provide them to you? That would also mean that you would have to find a way to watch every example I give and verify that I have found at least 50. Is that reasonable?
Would you like people to add “in my opinion” to everything they say, so that it is clear that they don’t present it as undeniable fact?
I just don’t like when you pick a beef with little offhand things people say. I’ve seen you make comments like that frequently and I have also seen you involved with many of the annoying pointless arguments on here. You could even argue the 50 example thing without asking for proof, if you like. You know you’re not going to get the evidence you ask for (not because it isn’t there, but because nobody is going to do that), so it’s not like you made a point when they don’t provide it.
I don’t really think it’s offhand things. It’s more related to the outrageous claims people make. Some say BA should have drafted better linemen, some claim that Ben needs to be housebroken, some claim that BA made so many mistakes that they can point out, it goes on and on.
Maybe the “beef” is just me realizing that BA is the new scapegoat, and much like the old scapegoats, people will make up any out of this world bullshit to “support” their claim. So, if people are so absolutely sure of what they are saying, why is it too much to ask to back it up? That’s usually how things work.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I'll back up what I said as best I can with the amount of time this deserves.
BA became OC in 2007. In that time, Ben has played 73 games, not counting playoffs. In those games, he attempted 2281 passes. So for him to have 50 plays where he should have checked it down, that would be 0.685 of these plays per game and just 2.2% of his pass attempts- 2.2% = 1 out of 45.
Does that sound like out of this world bullshit to you? Outrageous claim? Having looked at that, I would say 50 is a very low estimate. Now I’d go with more like 150-200. No, I didn’t give you video evidence, but now you can see that 50 plays is a very small piece of the pie and perfectly reasonable estimate.
This isn’t one of the scapegoat excuses. Arians’ unwillingness to reel Ben in is one of his core problems as OC and part of why he doesn’t coach here anymore.
You again asked why support of this claim is too much too ask, so I’ll remind you that I already told you why it would be a massive waste of time on both of our parts. Maybe you should resign from your Chief of Evidence Police role since it doesn’t contribute anything. You just seem to be picking fights all the time.
Go Steelers.
Well, sorry that you feel I “pick fights” I’d ask for examples on that, but you know…. I think what the problem really is, is that I’m not on the “blame Arians for poverty, disease, and famine” bandwagon. If asking someone (which was Rhino mike by the way) to give examples when he said himself that 50 examples would be easy, is too much, then I apologize. But all this senseless bashing for the sake of bashing does get old after the 6000th identical comment about the guy. We have no idea if Arians was too soft on him, or if the owners had his back meaning Arians voice didn’t matter, or anything like that. But people like you and the guy who wrote “the letter” are all so positive that they know all the problems, and the solutions as well. So yes, long after getting sick of that, I’ve decided to at least ask people to back up their ridiculous claims. If they choose not to, that’s fine, but it’s not going to stop me from asking.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Ok
It’s like a sibling argument.
Sis- “You always leave the toilet seat up.”
Bro- “Name one time I did that.”
Sis- “…Yeah, let me grab my diary, where I keep records of every time you do that…”
Get it? You’re the guy who says name one time I did that. But the sister doesn’t need to cite sources to know she’s tired of finding the seat up.
By the way, after seeing that 50 is 1 out of every 45 attempts, and much less than 1 per game, how do you feel about that number? Haha. It doesn’t matter that Rhino mike said 50 is easy because I agree with him.
Ok, I’m not really sure what your going for here but it doesn’t matter. I don’t really feel anything about your made up number. It did nothing to strengthen your “case”. But it doesn’t matter. Like I said, I will ask for proof as long as people make ridiculous claims. I don’t expect anything, but that won’t stop me from asking. All I can say is, at least you didn’t try to blame Ben’s sexual assault allegations and motorcycle accident on him, so that’s something.
Carry on with your ridiculous claims, as long as it makes you feel justified in your hatred. Facts and truth are overrated. Scapegoats rule!
I do think it’s funny that people like you are so convinced he’s the cause of all problems, that if the offense does have an awesome game, it’s because of the players, not him.
But it’s never the players fault if the offense fails.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I guess the last item of business here is that I have to point out that you have decided all of these things for which I blame Arians. I gave one complaint about Ben’s play under Arians, rhino-mike agreed, and you interpreted that as us blaming all that is wrong in the world on BA among your list of accusations.
And lastly, the owners of the franchise with the most Lombardi trophies seem to feel the same as I do about Mr. Arians.
You're right
When I read the Post-Gazette it sounded very similar to a teenager stomping their foot because a new dress code policy is in place at the High School. Then I listened to it. Completely different feeling afterwards.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Its called the media
its their job that is what they do, turn a non-story into a story. Its how they get paid. Not hating just sayin.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, this is off topic, but I’ve been wondering. Do you really think the knock on Tomlin is what I think you think it is?
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I think it subconsciously plays a part
Its just easier to criticize people that are different than you are. One thing I’ve notice about this country is that we think we’ve made so much progress but we’ve really just swept our dirty under the rug.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I can’t speak for anyone, but I’d hate to think that plays a part. Then again, you are one of those guys that thinks they know people better than they know themselves, so I’ll just take your word for it. ;).
“that are different than you are”
What does this mean?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
lol
I just know what I see. Observe behavior. I don’t try to ‘know people better than they know themselves’. I just see behavior and if there is a consistent theme then I may be able to associate a possible motive to it. I always ask, why a certain person said this, or did this. What would make them react in such a way? I dunno maybe its my arrogance, I need to work on that – thinking I know more than I actually do. I just seen this story time and time again. I think you know what ‘different’ I mean.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
I do think I know, but I don’t understand why you are so sure everyone sees it as “different” . To me you’re just as guilty of holding things up.
What’s up now huh? UHHHH
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I'm guilty of a lot of things
lol
And I don’t think its everyone either.
But I don’t think observation is holding anything up. :)
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
let me just tell you, you’re wrong. Everything is your fault, you are the sole reason for the lack of progress. BAM!
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
lol
i guess i’m just a lazy monkey who needs to get off food stamps and get a pay check lol.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Remember how it was when Tomlin first got hired?
Lots of people were skeptical for the wrong reasons, not because he had only been a coordinator for one season.
Even though its 2012, bad habits dont go away easily. This country still has a ways to go in terms of acceptance.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
but as I said, I’d really hate to think that you’re right about that as far as Tomlin. That would make me sad.
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Can't call it man.
These are just thoughts, I don’t truly know anything. Just think of how people talk of Cowher and then when you see criticisms of tomlin, think if they would be the same if it was cowher. I remember the cowher days, don’t remember it being like this, people wanting him fired after a 9-7 season.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
That is true, but I think the bigger factor in that is that Cowher is not there anymore. That’s how it always is. It will even be that way for Favre in a few years. If they’ve had any success at all, a few years after they retire, people’s wacky nostalgia tells them that everything they did was great, and if the new guy could only do what the old guy did, everything will be alright. But they are conveniently forgetting that Cowher could never win the big ones.
I can assure you, people did the same crap with Cowher. I remember my step dad’s friends when they were gathering to watch the Steelers when I was a kid. It’s always the same.
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I swore to the Steeler Gods that if I had to watch Kordell Stewart one more year, and watch another draft come and go with no QB on the horizon…. Cowher was going to be off my Christmas card list: Indefinitely. (that’s very serious in my world. Harsh.)
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
...and the Gods listened...
and brought us Ben :)
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Cowher could have stayed if he wanted to.
I don’t think for a minute his job was in jeopardy. With his wife’s health problems and his daughters in college, he made a family-oriented decision to leave on his own.
Don’t get me wrong; I wouldn’t trade Tomlin for anyone and I’m beyond glad he is here. In my opinion, he’s the perfect fit. But if Cowher wanted to still coach; he would still be ours.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Cowher's Job
Certainly wasn’t in jeopardy. The Steelers offered him an extension worth many millions of dollars per year and he turned it down. The decision was Coach C’s and I am sure it was a tough one, but as you said, if he wanted to be, he would still be our coach.
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
Kordell Stewart
I got an earful from an Eagles fan (he loves Vick) who dropped the Steelers as his number one team when they got rid of Kordell. He was a nice enough fellow other than that (we both agreed that Ben was tough) and he made me do a fist bump when I mentioned some great play Steelers play from the last two seasons that he that was a great play as well.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 29, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Kordell
Kordell gets a bad rap from most Steeler fans. He was used very well by 2 coordinators and had at least 3 other coordinators during his early years. I was mad when he was benched for Tommy Maddox. Sure, he did not start off well, but the man guided the team to a 13-3 record, Championship game and pro bowl appearance the year before. I blame Cowher’s treatment of Kordell as much as Kordell for his failings.
This
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 31, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Tan, while I don't disagree with your opinion what why Tomlin gets criticized--I've been around enough ignorant people to know there's something to it--I think it's important to remember that Cowher's coaching abilities came under fire a lot pre-'05
They used to say pretty much the same things about the Chin that they say about Tomlin. They said he was horrible at clock management, he never had his teams ready for the big games, etc, etc. Then, of course, he was the Super Bowl in his next to last season, and then he resigned as coach. Now, with the benefit of absence making the heart grow fonder, Cowher was the greatest coach who ever lived.
Someday, Mike Tomlin will retire and retroactively be the most perfect coach who ever lived. I really feel sorry for the guy that replaces him in 15 years or so.
by Anthony Defeo on Jan 29, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
right
the situations are very different though, tomlin has already won a super bowl, then had a 9-7 season, do you think it would be the same for cowher if he had beaten the cowboys in his first super bowl? just curious.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
It's a great question, but it's hard to say.
Cowher left so soon after his Super Bowl win, it’s one of the last things people remember about him. If he would have followed up his XL victory with three non-championship seasons, he may have come under some criticism. People are always going to complain. It’s just how the average sports fan is these days. We want championships every season, and when they don’t happen, we look for people to blame. Heck, we do that after a Super Bowl win.
In all honesty, even though Tomlin has his critics, I haven’t noticed any unusual amount of harshness directed towards him, but that’s just me.
A coach is always going to be the subject of scrutiny no matter how successful he is.
But Tomlin certainly has the resume to combat any ridicule. And when it comes to those big games that he never has his team ready for, I was going to write a blog about that a couple of weeks ago because through research, I noticed that in four of his eight playoff games, the Steelers were behind by two scores or more at some point in the game. But then I shelved that idea after discovering that in the other four games, his team was up by two scores or more at certain points in the game.
It’s the playoffs, I guess that happens. It’s easy for people to say a team wasn’t ready for a game whenever they lose.
I think Mike Tomlin will be here for a very long time.
by Anthony Defeo on Jan 29, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose you're right
but it doesn’t make it right. When fairness and accuracy are discarded to ‘make a story bigger’ then it ceases to be journalism to me. It moves to fiction and there’s a different section for that at the library.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Right, wrong
In human terms these are just words that meanings can be assigned to it depending on the person. Only someone with all wisdom and who is immutable can be absolute when discussing right and wrong. Us humans, we’ll change whats wrong to what’s right to fit our selfish desires.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
They have made a big deal out of who called for Arians to let go.
I saw some comments wondering if Tomlin was just a figure head coach. People forget that Chuck Noll was told to let some coaches go as well. I don’t know if it happened more than once, but it did happen after a 5-11 season in the 80’s. I guess the point is don’t read too much into what is written. It can be spun lots of ways. I like listening to the audio of the interviews or reading the quotes outside of the stories. I think you get a truer sense of what was said and feel of what happened.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin
im not sure i agree with that...
he went from getting …. ….. ’s in the mens room to maryying and settling down…i cant help but believe Arians had something to do with turning into a man….
by OR69faithfull on Jan 29, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
That may be true
but in the absence of any evidence that BA played a role in that, it’s more likely that his settling down is due to input from the FO and league office.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 29, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I said "irresponsible part of Ben's play."
Wasn’t talking about off-field behavior at all.
And I wouldn’t attribute Ben’s behavior improvement to anyone without knowing the situation. Big Ben knows a lot of people, you could say anyone close to him had something to do with it, but that’s just a guess.
Agreed
I don’t see that happening anyway.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 28, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ben will be the first to know, until then he needs to chill, and be patient.
Not sure how much the media is blowing this out of proportion or not, but my two cents regardless:
Ben doesn’t own the STeelers, nor manage the STeelers. He’ll be informed on either a) choices available, where his input will be heard, or b) will be informed where it will be going, and will be expected to perform to his contractual obligations as quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers football organization.
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And I'm sure the Steelers will tell him.
Or let him in on the discussion.
As of now, I think it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out:
Current O.C. who is enamored with the pass and runs predictable offense doesn’t have contract renewed.
Ownership of team has recently (past 18 months) established desire to run the ball more, or at the very least get more out of rushing opportunities.
New O.C. will line up with ownership from day one, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Kinda sorta maybe think the new O.C. will be leaning a tad bit more on incorporating the run a touch more, in order to set up the pass, which in turn makes the passing game even more deadly when utilized correctly.
I’m taking by your use of profanity that either you have a small vocabulary, or you REALLY disagree with my take.
Either way, clean up your fucking mouth.
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Either way, clean up your fucking mouth
Nah, I’m good.
Fuck.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You're acting like a jerk. And there's kids reading this stuff. You should know better.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Either way, clean up your fucking mouth
Yeah, we wouldn’t want those kids reading crap like this, would we?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
That was in response to your usage.
Just speaking the language you understand, obviously you understood it. Yay for me for being a linguistically expert.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter. You cussed in front of all the little kiddies who read this site. How dare you.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Seiously… not another post in the garbage so soon.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Yeah. Here, let me help you shift the focus off of your icky gross yucky potty mouth.
Meanwhile, feel free to continue with your lame witty, caustic comebacks. I’m waiting on the edge of my seat for the next one.
Oh…SQUIRREL!!
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t supposed to be witty. I was simply pointing out your hypocritical behavior, and since you are so butt-hurt I think it worked. If you have a problem with people cussing then don’t sit there and do it yourself, no matter what your lame excuse is.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
OK. I'll give you the witty.
But I notice you didn’t touch the lame and the caustic. At least you know what’s what.
And don’t take my responses as me being “butt hurt.” Could care less.
What I do care about is that you instigated my response with your use of profanity, which is, according to the by laws of this website, against the rules and the spirit of what Bean is trying to accomplish here.
So like I said, shift the focus off of yourself as much as you want, but own up to the fact that profanity shouldn’t be used on the website, you used it, and I called attention to it by throwing it back at you. If anyone is “butt hurt,” it’s you.
Seriously, don’t respond to this. It’s going nowhere and you’re only going to look like a bigger fool than you already are. I’ve been on this website since it began, and you just blew out your first birthday candle here. Get yourself in line, and watch your mouth. Thanks.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Just for clarity's sake
From Bean himself, 11/2011:
A well placed F-Bomb from the fictional Bruce Arians in Dr. Spaceman’s ’Coach’s Meeting’ series? That’s how you do it. Random outbursts in the middle of a football conversation rarely do much for anybody.
And:
1. No racism, sexism, homophobia
2. No politics.
3. No religion
4. Limit the profanity whenever possible, and definitely don’t sling it at others.
5. Don’t make a longer tenured reader not want to interact with the community anymore.
6. Don’t make new readers feel intimidated or unwelcomed. (Thankfully this is no longer an issue after a frustrating period there. All of you longtime readers deserve the credit for that, so thanks).
Pretty sure you were in violation of a couple of those, unprovoked by anyone.
Full article here:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2011/11/12/2551549/btsc-housekeeping-checking-in-as-tensions-mount
Thanks for playing, Space Cowboy.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I just don't understand
how you going to tell someone to stop cursing by cursing? Just as an outside observer you yourself are in violation of rule 4. either way lets just all get along and get over it.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Amazing how you are focusing on me and not at all on the person who instigated it.
Not saying it was right, Tann, but I did it in response to, not in the instigation of. There’s a difference.
I’m sure you were less pretty pissed off at Ben when he was decked by Richard Seymour, right? No, you weren’t. He wasn’t the aggressor. Would you have been upset if Ben struck back? I doubt you would have. Same thing happened here.
So I’d appreciate it if you didn’t jump on me without first jumping on him. Thanks.
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I’m not Tann, and who’s jumping on who?
I do agree with him though, response or instigation…what difference does it make?
Should someone murder Ray Lewis to teach him that murder isn’t right?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
My gawd, Frank, c'mon
I was responding to Tann, and you know it, nothing in my response was to what you said and it was clearly to what he said. Quit being so inflammatory.
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how am I being inflammatory? I responded to you profile said I had a response. Why are you so angry?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
He made a mistake with the reply button. Can you please just stop?
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Why do you think, Frank?
That’s an honest, legitimate question. Why do you think I should be angry in the slightest? Any ideas?
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I don't pretend to be fair
nor did I say was being fair.
I cam at you because I expected better of you.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
Say that next time. I had a hard time reading your “Higher Expectations Font”.
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Ok, I give up.
“I’m not Tann, and who’s jumping on who?
I do agree with him though, response or instigation…what difference does it make?
Should someone murder Ray Lewis to teach him that murder isn’t right?”
Let’s all jump on me. You know, the guy who responded to an unprovoked attack that used profanity. Go ahead. Anyone else? Seriously? Really? No one wants to respond to anything Micheal Bean wrote? No one? Anyone?
You know…I’m not a random #$@%&. I’m a good guy, who’s been a part of BTSC since it began. I remember when there were hardly any people even on the site, and you didn’t have to check it every day, because there was probably not a ton of things to check out.
So go ahead and pile on, Frank, and anyone else who wants to. Crap like this actually DOES make me want to ditch BTSC. At least the comments sections. Not many threads seem to escape people attacking other people, when it should be “a thoughtful discussion.”
Not a whole lot of “thoughtful” when I am the one who gets reprimanded for someone else slinging the F-bomb unprovoked at me….makes a lot of sense.
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Ok. I think you are missing something here. He wasn’t jumping on you, he just said he doesn’t understand how you stop cursing with cursing, and that he thinks you and him should just get along. I’m sorry that you took things the way you did, I was just messing around with my comment because you responded to the wrong person.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I wasn't trying to 'jump' on you at all friend
just was trying to understand. I won’t say anything else on the matter.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t instigate anything and you know it. I left a reply to your comment that just happened to have a cuss word in it. For some reason you took it as a personal offense and started raging. Of course, that all would have been well and nice but you decided to end your rant with a curse word, which establishes you as a hypocrite. And calm down before you hurt yourself. You are sounding like you are going to have a heart attack.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
How about we both stop cursing and leave each other alone?
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
I think you should guys should turn this back into a flamewar, and continue with the condescension, arrogance, and insults.
I never thought this post would require the code of conduct policy to be posted.
But that’s what happens when you bring religion (Arians) and politics (the starting quarterback) into any discussion.
by Anthony Defeo on Jan 29, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol grammar fail
I love when people are in grammar/profanity/language fights and fail in them.
You can’t be ‘a linguistically expert’ you can be ‘a linguistic expert’ or ‘expertly linguistic’
I love when people piggyback onto an already dead discussion
And then go on to let the world know how amazing they are at something, like, say, finding grammatical or spelling mistakes. Well done.
Next time I post something on the internet, I will make sure my team of editors hash’t gone to sleep or left their posts yet.
What a raging douche you are, Mechem.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
As much as we love Ben, he is not improving his game
He is commiting to many big mistakes in the game, Where was the OC to stand and tell him that?, and now he believes to be as good as Brees, Brady or Rodgers?, he is good, but not that good, please remember how many games we won without him too.
I expect him to start be humble and understand it is time for the offense to play better and for him to learn and stop making so many mistakes. I remember somebody here telling how in practice Ben didnt participate as much as the others, regardless he was not injured at that moment.
I dont like his behavior of demanding explanations, he should understand he is not in that position at this moment.
"Everytime NE Patriots lose, Football wins", myself
where do you come up with this stuff? Too many mistakes? How many of them were while he was injured? Which mistakes are you talking about? Where do you get “start being humble”? When did you determine that his big problem is that he’s not humble? Understand it is time for the offense to play better? Is this all based on how somebody told you once that he doesn’t practice? Please, any answer would be nice.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Yeah, I don’t really get this sentiment earlier. I think Roethlisberger has stood on his head this year. Yeah he throws the occasional bad-timing interception, but the guy is a frigging warrior.
On a side note, I can’t believe Roethlisberger is going to be 30 this year. Obviously still in his prime, but still a “wow” thought.
I pray to Talos, Mara, and other assorted Skyrim gods that Jim Caldwell doesn’t get hired as OC.
by Matt Shaffer on Jan 29, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
You damn well know it’s illegal to worship Talos. Off to the Thalmor embassy with you.
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by Riddlah. on Jan 29, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is definitely weird thinking about him being 30, just hope the team takes precautions to keep him playing till he’s at least 37 or so.
But I see these weird comments on here all the time that are stated with such conviction, even though the only way they would know for sure if they were true is if they actually had inside information (i.e, worked for the team, spent a lot of time around the people etc). I have to wonder why people do this, but oh well.
So this Skyrim…it’s pretty good I take it? I have considered looking in to it, but I barely play any games anymore, and I hate wasting money.
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we have the PC version
It is pretty good for an RPG (I tend to go for strategy games more though I also play some MMORPGs). My kids and I played quite a bit when we first got it. Since xmas we have so many games that it is hard to decide which to play first.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 29, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
PC versions are too much for me lol. Too many buttons. I’ll 4 and 4 triggers thank you. (on top of that, my pc can’t run any good games)
It seems awesome from what I’ve seen and heard. I guess the only way to know for sure is to rent it.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Go for it
If you like the rental then you can purchase it later.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 29, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
And you will purchase it later. I bought that game the day it came out and I’ve already spent over a hundreds hours playing it. And yes, I felt ashamed just typing that lol.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I’m pretty sure my nephew would have you beat in the time department. He only has to “work” about 15-20 hours a week. I’m pretty sure the rest of the time is spent on Skyrim. Worked out for me though, I got a bunch of games from him, like BF3 and Portal 2, because he was so busy with Skyrimjob
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Haha. Lucky kid.
By the way, how is Portal 2? The story just seems really short and not worth the 60 or so dollars it costs, or is it just me?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Haven’t played it yet. I’ve had it for like 2 months now (or since a couple days after Skyrim came out, don’t remember when)
I can tell you what my nephew told me, because I asked him a question similar to that. it was “Is there enough of this game to be worth 60 bucks” He said “more than enough” It’s apparently way bigger than Portal one, I just haven’t gotten to it yet.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Good to know. Thanks.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
What is this work thing you talk about?
;-)
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 29, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
One thing he does have right though
is that ben has not improved his game in the last 3 years. Now his game is good but there is room for improvement. I would like to see ben not go deep as much as he does especially when the down and distance doesn’t make sense.
Practices are not open to the public so random people wouldn’t know how ben practices. Either way I think Ben can get better by taking the shorter passes when the down and distances make sense, like 2nd and 9. No need to go deep, take the 5 yard pass and set up for a shorter 3rd down and who knows your man may break a tackle and get the first down. I hate when we throw it deep on 2nd and long and its not wide open.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
How did he not improved his game? He upped his td/int to 2-1, and was more efficient in every way than he was in the Super Bowl season.
Everyone was loving the deep ball before the injuries, when he hit em almost every time.
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Nah
It would take us 3 or 4 times before we’d hit in the a game. It was just too inefficient, but when it worked it was a thing of beauty. I dunno. I guess it was my expectations.
I expected him to make that leap where he’d have 30 TDs and like 5 ints. You know like Manning, Brady, and Brees do. Maybe I just expected too much, I dunno.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
deep balls
Deep balls are not just to hit the pass every time or half the time. I recall reading one of the stat guys, I think KC Joyner and completions on bombs for QBs were less than 40%. Deep balls help to open up the underneath routes as well. Also, some of the Steelers deep plays are with 2 or 3 guys in routes because everyone else is in pass protection.
Manning and Brees have never had 30 and 5. Brees also has years where he throws alot of picks like 2010 with over 20. I think that Brady and Rodgers are the only qbs in history to do that and they each did it once.
Things just got stale.
Ask yourself this: How many times could you accurately name what play was going to be run solely based on down. Either I’m very lucky or very good… but I have a high percentage of “calling the plays” before they happen. Same stuff; different game.
I’m glad fresh ideas are going to make their way to the Southside facility.
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We opened pandora's box though
who knows if within a year we’re crying for BA back.
I shudder the thought.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Its almost could be like the guy
who found a geni and was granted a wish. And with each wish he forgets to leave a detail out that makes the entire wish crappy.
You ever seen the movie the butterfly effect with ashton kutcher?
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
On the other hand...
what if we turn that corner and become “elite” like Brady or pre-injury Manning? Of course that most likely won’t happen, but if we could improve our line just a bit I think we would have the personnel to do it.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Oh
the potential is def. there. With the right OC, a better line, I think we’ll be fine. Throw in batch actually producing what we think we could produce, and maybe signing a tall WR in the offseason (cough plax cough), I think this offense could be elite.
And I know there are lot of people that are against the plax move because they think he was a head case, but if you look at the jets, plax wasn’t the problem, the problem was holmes. Also we wouldn’t ask plax to be the #2 WR, just 3b. I think that role would be much better for him. We can then do fade routes in the endzone and they may actually work! yay
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not really stoked on the Plax idea, but I’m not closed to it. If he really has changed, I’m ok with it. I think something pretty telling about that whole meltdown in New York was that of all the voices, the chirping, the slap fights going on….nothing was coming from Plaxico’s corner. I was pretty impressed, and this would be one thing that would make me think about it and not just say, “Screw Plax!”
And do you Baron Batch?
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not sure i understand lol
And do you Baron Batch?
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, why Plax? why not T.O? There are tons of 40 year old receivers who produce.
Seriously though, I think you are over rating Plax, and I’m not sure why. What is it about the guy that makes you think he has anything to offer anyone?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
What is it about the guy that makes you think he has anything to offer anyone?
6’5"
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
So? We have a 6’5 guy on our P.S if that’s all that matters. Same size, less ego, under 40
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
But are those P.S. players rated 83 overall in Madden 12? Didn’t think so.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
lol’d
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
There is a reason why guys are on the PS
and why Plax is has caught TD passes and was the #1 WR for a super bowl winning team.
As far as I have seen the ego is gone for the most part. And if you don’t think PS guys have egos then well let me say this, you have to have an ego to play the position.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Over rating Plax
by saying he could be used in packages in our offense? I’m not saying he should even be our 3rd receiver, you don’t think Plax can offer anything?
You don’t think he could be a receiver that is just used in certain situations where his height is an advantage, like you know the redzone- the area we had issues at this year? You can’t teach nor guard 6’5
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
He could be used in those specific situations. i thought vet minimum was higher than it actually is, so I guess I could see him coming for vet minimum, but I really doubt he’d play for that.
Maybe the problem is I still say F him because of the way he said F us when he left. I don’t know.
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way too personal
I don’t think he said f us when he left, if he did he wouldn’t have been thinking about coming back.
Of course it wouldn’t be for anything too high, i mean we do have cap issues so we can’t throw money around. I don’t know what his interest is but I would find out come march 1st.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
He didn’t? Why did he have to make an announcement at a press conference months before free agency?
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Cause he wanted to???
IDK. The point is though he came back just chose a situation he thought was better for him at the time. You don’t think people can change?
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
and the head case thing, that’s just one aspect. The other is he’s old and not good.
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and not good
He’s rated an 83 in Madden 12 so he must be kinda-good, right?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Ugh.
You’ve brought back old memories of many a touchdown being intercepted by a short, fat linebacker with the hops of a kangaroo.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
is he currently an 83 or was that his rating at the beginning of the year?
As far as the int’s, I’m glad I didn’t buy this years version. That’s only one of the major gripes I had about it. Madden, to me, was awful between 02 and 07,. Then they made good strides each year till 11, then 12 just flushed it.
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I have the most recent roster update and he is still an 83 overall. Besides, he did get over 600 yards and 8 touchdowns this year, even with a bum as a quarterback.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Oh, and Madden 5 was the best.
I still remember upgrading my house as my career progressed, acting as if it meant something lol.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
83 is nothing to sneeze at when you're just filling holes with vets.
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has nothing to do with madden
has everything to do with production on the field
got 600 yards on a dysfunctional team with a QB who isn’t as good as ours.
Holmes got 600 yards too, just saying.
The guy can still play and with a season under his belt, I don’t see why he wouldn’t produce with the team.
If we could get 600 yards out of our 4th WR…..????
Hines is old, cocthery is old, I know you not against having them back. so old can’t play a part of why you don’t want him. As far as not good…. well I think I proved that wrong already.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
Cotchery is old? Since when is 28 old?
Hines is old, but he’s a Steeler. He didn’t give a big middle finger to the team and city. They are part of the team. They don’t think they are above the team like Plax does/did. You are buying the “Plax turned it around” thing? Well of course he did, duh. He went to prison, he’s not exactly in position to speak out now is he?
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28 is up there in football years
well pacman been in prision and it doesn’t seem to phase him at all. Just saying if he was really a bad guy then he’d still be doing the same things. Actually his teammates like him and he was reported to being a good teammate, he just made a dumb mistake, a really dumb mistake, ok a colossal mistake. But seriously was it really that bad?
His biggest mistake was being in NYC, if he was in Raleigh, NC he would have never gone to jail. We applaud carrying guns in public down here. True story my dad went on a university with a gun, I told him thats a felony but he won’t listen.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think what he did was all that bad. Yes, someone else could have gotten hurt, but his prison sentence was ridiculous. That has nothing to do with why I don’t want him back.
By the way, if anything happens to your dad, I’m going to tell him it’s your fault for outing him in public
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I'm no snitch
lol
Well not on my dad at least.
As for plax, he was a WR, we was running the ball alot, he wanted out. Now we don’t run the ball as much, he wanted back.
Its pretty simple to me. I don’t like to hold grudges, he didn’t want us in the past, its the past. I’m focuses on what can help us win in 2012, not what happened in the past.
Trotting Plax out on 3rd down with brown, miller, and Saunders in the redzone, helps us win.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Unless he throws a fit because it went to Saunders and Miller. Either way, I don’t see him helping as much as you think he can. Being tall is sort of over rated, and cb’s can jump, or push the guy out of bounds if he jumps.
Saunders will have a year of development, and one big guy should be enough. And as I’ve said, I really doubt he’d take minimum salary, and I don’t think he’s worth any more than the minimum.
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Being tall is over rated?
Calvin Johnson 6’5
Larry Fitgerald 6’4
Andre Johnson 6’3
Vincent Jackson 6’5
I could go on but yea, i think there is a trend here.
I understand we have saunders and thats great, I think he will be a great next year.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
And their height is the only thing good about them. Plax is definitely in that category. When they talk about the great…
Yes, it is slightly overrated. How many times are their catches made because of their height only? (Calvin Johnson excluded, Stafford chucks it up a lot)
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I don’t think it matters if they get so many catches just because of their height, as long as they get the catches.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
It doesn’t matter, that’s why height is over rated. Wes Welker is 5’8 but leads the league in receptions every year. Santonio is 5’11 and made that Super Bowl catch.
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Look at what the offense did
with 6’4 Randy Moss though.
Case in point.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
again. That’s a special talent that just happens to be 6’4. Not a guy who’s only attribute is being tall.
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randy Moss isn't randy moss
without being 6’4, which what made him so unique, he was fast, shifty and could jump what most 6’4 guys can’t do, if he was 6’0 he wouldn’t have been such a unique player
Height has a lot to do with it. Some guys wouldn’t be in the league if they werent tall.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be honest Frank, I’m not really a Plax fan. I liked him before, but I noticed he was a brooder somewhere in season #2. Sometihng not “Steeler-like” was there. Can’t put my finger on it, so it’s hard to be specific about it.
But he does have skills still, I mean, he was putting up decent number and he was being utilized. With the right QB, he would be a red zone threat. I think he’s learned, and I think he’s got some good head knowledge of how to run route and get open and use his size. We don’t need a burner, but a vet who’s been there and has his life in order, who has been to the top and now is on the Jets…He’d LOVE to be in Pittsburgh.
Again…I’m not saying we should grab him….just traipsing along the mental pathway a little…But it would be nice to have a guy taller than 6’1" :)
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I can see needing a tall receiver, I just don’t understand Plax. There has to be at least 100 better options.
It’s hard to say he would love to be in Pittsburgh when he gave a big F.U to the city a few months before free agency even started.
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I agree that Plax wouldn’t be my first choice (how bout that kid Moye from Penn State?) but he might not be the worst fit here, although I agree that there must be better options.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I just don't see
using a draft pick at a talent heavy position for a situational guy this year.
We need to focus in the trenches this year, o-line, d-line, and a ILB.
He already has a relationship with Ben and the only reason why he didn’t come this year is because the jets offered more money, heck fresh out of jail you looking for some cash. That debacle I would think would make him yearn for a more stable franchise.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don't blame him for that
like i said fresh out of jail, why wouldn’t you? Especially if you got bills to pay. Who knows, like I said before, I don’t know just my opinion. I was first against signing Plax at the beginning of the year, but the team had interest they obviously thought he could help.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well, maybe, maybe not. I don’t see him having much left in the tank, but we’ll see next year. the 600 yards thing doesn’t mean much to me, because..what’s the choice? Who is the great receiver taking his targets? Nobody. So he should have done much better than that. Sanchez sucks, but he still threw for 3500 yards.
We do have a 6’5 guy (Saunders) who appears to have wide receiver like hands and body control, but for whatever reason he wasn’t utilized much. Though, in the red zone against KC he did exactly what you and I want from a big target. I expect to get more of that next year, and then we won’t need a guy who is “just tall”
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Holmes caught for 600 yards too
I just think that whole offense was screwed up.
Holmes should be the 1st target and should have double the production numbers.
Either way like I said he would be going from being the #2 WR to the #4WR splitting time with Cotchery if we re-sign him. I don’t know how much he has left, I’m only talking about using him as a stop-gap until we can afford to draft another WR, we just can’t this year, we have too many other holes that need to be filled. All I saying is sign him to a 3 year deal with a 1 year option for the third year. That way that will bide us sometime so we can try to find someone else to fill his role.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Holmes
Holmes was seeing double teams alot this year because he was the only guy on their offense that scared anyone. You can’t just say “look at the numbers” without looking at the coverages faced by the players. Signing Plax, particularly when the Steelers have so many other issues with the salary cap is a bad idea.
+1
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No money
The Steelers have no money for Plax. I would rather have Cotchery back.
If the Steelers want to run jump ball type fades, then they should isolate Miller out there on a smaller player.
As to the Jets, the problem is their crappy QB. Plax was decent in the red zone but he stunk everywhere else.
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My response to Anthony's article
I am a fan of a lot of Anthony’s stuff, so this is by no means nothing more than me stating my opinion. Just wanted to put that out there, :)
I agree that Ben should know what’s happening, maybe even be invited to have a say in it. (HUGE difference between expecting a say and being invited to have a say). I would expect the Rooney’s to allow him to have his voice heard. Then, they will do what they need to do in the best interest of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I trust them 1,000,000 times more than I do Ben when it comes to football understanding. And so should we.
I’d say he’s earned the right to voice his opinions and deserves to know what direction his bosses will want him to steer the ship in the immediate future.
And as soon as they know, I’m sure they will tell him. But the season JUST ended, they don’t even have a new O.C. yet, and there needs to be a bit of patience.
As for the short list provided of elite franchise QB’s who have power within their organization, I agree. Ben is one of them. But exactly what is that “power,” and how and where and how mightily is wielded? Of those listed, only Ben has been the one with spotty legal issues…his would be a tempered power, seeing as he very nearly, possibly, who-know’s-but-it-sure-was-shaky-for-a-while-there could have been traded after the Milledgeville debacle. We all felt it, whether we want to admit it or not. Think the Rams weren’t holding that #1 overall pick to get their hands on Ben? So whatever “power” Ben has, or any of those others listed, for that matter, is limited. Not a single one is a GM, not should be.
I really don’t think anyone here thinks Ben should be kept in the dark. Just because he wasn’t consulted about the Arians non-renewal doesn’t mean they don’t care about his input, but I think it does shed a little light on the fact that no one player is above the team, not should he be. It’s the Pittsburgh Steelers first, all players current or past second. Ownership, you know, those guys that have delivered more wins and more Lombardis than Ben has, steer the ship and they will make the call. Whatever call that is will not be so freaking drastically different that Ben will not show up to camp. There will be plenty of time to get the offense down. And if he cared so so so much about it, he’d be back in Pittsburgh meeting with the coaching staff right now instead of kicking it in Hawaii…oh, wait, our coaching staff is busy coaching a college game.
That’s one thing I’m trying to say here. Everybody is busy right now, there’s nothing to do at the moment, and in the meantime the F.O. can interview candidates. Then, when a good list is ready, they can all put their heads together, and I really think Ben will be one of them.
So all this running around yapping doesn’t mean jack, in my opinion. It’ll be handled.
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Don't take this in a bad way
just trying to add to the conversation.
And as soon as they know, I’m sure they will tell him. But the season JUST ended, they don’t even have a new O.C. yet, and there needs to be a bit of patience.
Ben has no control over when the question was asked. But many will say that he didn’t have to answer it. If you don’t recall ben was criticize before for not being cooperative with the media, he has changed that. So from his perspective he is just doing what people said he needed to do. Its catch 22 situation, if you don’t talk to the media then people get upset with you and if you do you are going to end up saying something that will upset other people. He can’t win in this regard alas its part of the game that he gets paid millions to play so I don’t really feel bad for him. I just try to be reasonable with my critics and understand his situation.
So whatever "power" Ben has, or any of those others listed, for that matter, is limited.
If Peyton manning says I need an offensive line, the GM tries to get him an offensive line, if Peyton says I need wide receivers, the GM will try to find the best wide recievers for Peyton. That is the power Andy is talking about. So when Ben says I want to know the direction, the Rooneys should listen. It should be more of an open discussion. We are all on the same team and we all have the same goals here, to win. I see this as a, what do you want me to do boss, move; not as a, this is what I want you to do, move.
If my manager gets canned, I may have no control over who they hire, but if they hire some guy who doesn’t care about my growth then I will never know what is needed for me to grow. I won’t be able to be most valuable to the company. So it would be beneficial for them to come to me and see what kind of person I work best with.
but I think it does shed a little light on the fact that no one player is above the team, not should he be
I think we all like to think that it works this way but it doesn’t. In this league there is a hierarchy. You talent dictates how much you get away with. If a practice squad guy mises a meeting, he’s cut, your starting QB mises a meeting, you go up to him and tell him to be on time for meetings.
It just seems like you have an issue with the timing which to me was out of Ben’s control.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agree with your thoughts
He is in a bit of a catch 22, and that sucks for him, mostly.
As for Manning, wow…I would say he’s not in the same position, entirely, but I totally see where you’re coming from. The organization there is just so different than the Steelers. And thankfully so, because they are going to suck for a number of years now, and I would place money on them finishing lower than 6-10 one of these next 2-3 years, if not all three. And we haven’t, in decades. But I agree….Ben has a voice, and I believe that ownership listens. I just don’t think his voice should include demanding…more of what you said, “Hey, boss, what;’s up? What are we doing?” Inquiring.
And the hierarchy is there. But I do think that the Steelers operate in a way that’s a little different than others. Maybe not by a huge margin, but definitely shades different. Super Bowl MVP not what we need in the clubhouse, etc? Thanks for the 5th round pick. I just don’t see many franchises operating that way. But, again, I agree 100%, there is a hierarchy.
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Yea
but we did put up a lot of stuff before we traded him that other guys wouldn’t have been afforded. I do admit that the steelers have a shorter leash than other teams, like say, the jets.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
For sure
Sweed wouldn’t have been able to pull off Santonio’s off field junk and survived being cut or traded.. And well, on the field either…haha.
But one thing I was happy to see was the Steelers finally acting swiftly. I remember waking up and reading that the morning it happened. It was a mixture of “Awesome!”….“Oh, wow…they did it…what now?” and shock.
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I had no clue about Holmes
so I was upset. But man I should have trusted the Steelers, if they are trading away a Super Bowl MVP for a 5th rounder the guy had to be toxic. And well the proof is in the pudding. Things have worked out much better for us than it has the jets.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Amen. The Jets can have him. :)
Do you mean you didn’t know about Holmes’ off field stuff before he got Arians’ed??
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No I didnt know about his
locker room issues.
Obviously it was more than just the weed stuff. Look how he destroyed that Jets locker room that didn’t seem to have any issues before he got there. He had to have been doing something here that wasn’t floating well with management that we don’t know about. Arn kinda eluded to that but said he couldn’t say specifically what was going on.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
I was especially mad about it at the end of last years Super Bowl, since that was “Holmes time” But…I’ve gotten over it. It was the correct move.
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Yep.
The one thing Holmes was good at was not dropping a lot of balls and putting daggers in opponents hearts. Bengals in Ohio? Cardinals? It was just a really fun thing to watch him slither through a D.
But…let Brown develop this offseason. I think he’s better. He’ll have time to knife opponents in the back and establish that rep, hopefully.
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there was those moments where
he ‘fell’ or ‘slipped’ on a route and it led to a pick six agianst the bengals.
Everyone loves to look at Sweed’s drop but that pick six where he quite on the route was worse.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
Agree on both.
But the one thing that kept me clinging, other than his freak gifts, was that block in the 2008 AFCCG. I was there, in the same end zone he dropped the ball and pretended to be hurt…the whole place made this collective “oooooohww!” sound. I just wanted him to do that, AND catch passes. Was that too much to ask? lol
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Sweed broke my heart man
I was pulling for him so hard. I still hope he does well somewhere, he just had so much potential, imagine him playing at full potential with Wallace, brown, and Sanders. Crazy man, Crazy. all i can do is shake my head.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
Me too.
I mean, he even seemed like a GOOD guy, too. It wasn’t like he was a bad apple or a head case. And he worked hard. I heard that one of his problems is his memory was too long, he held on to mistakes and beat himself up over them. A lot of pressure in this game, just having the tools doesn’t always mean you’ll make it.
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I expected so much from him too. Obviously I don’t know the deal, but I have to think mental fragility is a factor here. That huge drop seems to have turned Finkel in to Einhorn. I’m still holding out hope for him too.
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Maybe he can visit a sports psychologist, and/or meet a really cool girl, and then get a cat.
He’d be alright then…
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i think a cool girl will do
lol
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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
He needs a new start
Not everyone can be Alex Smith :)
Sweed was perplexing- as much physical ability as you could want in a receiver, and good hands so long as it was a no-pressure situation. Then, a couple freak injuries later…
Weird story. I was excited when the Steelers drafted him- I thought they were getting a steal.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
share of drops
Holmes had his share of drops and mistiming on balls. He missed the ball right before the spectacular catch in the SB. He dropped the ball in the Bears game in 09 that cost the game. He has spectacular but inconsistent hands.
My thoughtages
THE BEN is a tricky player to coach I’m sure. You have to love his determination and competitiveness and desire to win. He has all that in spades. But at the same time you have to try to get him to understand the big picture.
I think Big Bens biggest weakness is simply not thinking about the whole game or the whole drive on any one play. He sorta just seems to focus on THAT play and will do anything to make something happen on it. Sometimes it’s better to surrender a battle so that you can win the war.
Ben needs to learn when to take a sack, or throw it away, or check down. To him, those actions are like giving up on the play. He wants more. He wants the kill. I love that, and sometimes, many times in fact, it works and we frustrate defenses.
But many times it backfires.
If Ben can be taught to make the best decisions for the drive, for the game, and not run around like crazy on EVERY play he’ll improve by leaps and bounds.
As far as the OC and Ben’s relationship, he deserves to have a say in the matter but he also has to be reasonable and willing to accept some new direction.
I’d throw a contract bonus into Ben’s deal: Get sacked less than 40 times and receive an extra $3 million. Maybe that’ll motivate him to check down and throw it away sometimes.
Valid points
I’m no sports psychology expert by any means but it does seem that a couple of things happen with some frightening regularity: If Ben throws a 20+ yard completion, within the next set of downs, he’ll try for a longer one. If by chance the 20+ yarder is incomplete; the focus doesn’t seem to be on “moving the chains” it’s get the 20+ yard completion. 3rd and longs happen, but sometimes they happen too much simply because it seemed they refused to turn the playbook page.
The offense beat the Patriots playing the Patriots own game. It wasn’t the standard Steeler offensive play selections. Of all the games, IMO this one showed that BA and Ben were capable of selecting plays that will move the chains, expose the weakness in the opposing defense, put points on the board and allow the defense to do their job without digging out from holes dug by poor field position.
I don’t want to see Ben change his game, but I would like to see him expand his arsenal of plays.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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Get sacked less than 40 times and receive an extra $3 million.
Less than 25 is more like it.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 29, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just do it; don't talk about it.
I’m fine with Ben having input in this process, but he doesn’t need to talk to the media about it in advance. For example, let’s say that you were about to enter into discussions on a major business deal, but you’re quoted in the newspaper as saying that you disagree with a recent decision made my your prospective business partner and you expect this point to be resolved during the upcoming meeting. In nautical parlance, this is akin to firing a warning shot across the bow. It’s a tactic frequently employed by lawyers who anticipate a protracted legal battle. Worst of all, the Rooneys have shown many times over the years that they don’t respond to this kind of grandstanding.
According to Adam Schefter, the Colts plan on hiring Keith Butler as their DC
Please tell me that is not happening because he is our DC in waiting
Not only do the Colts plan to add Bruce Arians, but Indianapolis also plans to hire former Steelers LB coach Keith Butler as its DC.
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 29, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Looks like it is true but Steelers are working hard to keep him in place
Steelers LB Coach Keith Butler to interview w/Colts on Tues. PIT been negotiating to keep him. He is successor to Dick LeBeau #insideslant
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 29, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he is willing to take a “hometown discount” to stay because we sure as hell aren’t going to be able to match what the Colts will offer him as their DC.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
This, Butler has been waiting a long time. Instant DC duties and a better-than-Pittsburgh-can-offer contract might be too much to turn down
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
honestly...
this is a perfect time to offer him our DC job, all due respect to coach,…
really someting odd going on in pittsburgh seeminly with our coaching staff….. wouldnt be surprised to see Flichner next on the departing list
Why would you want to get rid of LeBeau? This comment makes no sense. LeBeau will retire when he wants to and when he does, then Butler can take the job (assuming he stays with us).
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
I can understand his thoughts, Butler is the long term guy no doubt. Cant make him wait forever or he will look to make a name for himself somewhere else
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by Michael Hewitt on Jan 29, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
For the love of all things black and gold
did you really say get rid of LeBeau?
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
He did, but that raises a serious topic...
…on one hand, you have one of the most revered coaches in football, a man who both played the game, and created a standard of defensive play both as a player and a coach, who wants to be back for “another year”…
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 29, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
never mind, I'll pose question as a post
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Jan 29, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent idea.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
answers simple really...
Butler is perhaps the best defensive coach whose next step inhis career is to be a DC
If he’s not offered the job here, he will certainly be taking the job in Indy…hes been a position coach on our defense for 8 yrs, and if we lose him, we also clearly will be losing our DC soon either way…. leaving us with no one better qualified to take over the DC job at that time, and with a new inexperienced position coach to boot.. Would be a mistake to let another quality coach be sifted from our coaching pool talent…
Please start using the reply button.
And assuming Butler leaves, I have faith that the Steelers can find a new LB coach/future DC in a season or two.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
heres a better thought
please stop replying to my comments, I find everything you have to say nonsense….rest assured, i wont be paying attention to anything you post in the future….
by OR69faithfull on Jan 29, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
The only way I’m going to stop replying to your comments is if you stop making them.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Are you implying that you want him to stop commenting here? You will continue to be confrontational in order to bully him off the internet. Is that it?
I didn't take it that way
I took it that Riddlah was saying that if OR69 posted a comment, he may reply to it. I seriously doubt he intends to peruse every single article and message to reply to one person’s statement. I think your interpretation is not the most reasonable interpretation.
That wasn't at all random lol
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Doesn't imply a small vocabulary; it's a sign of a small vocabulary.
Big difference.
Can there be brilliant people with brilliant vocabularies who consistently use profanity as a way to communicate? Sure.
But for every individual that fits that description, I can show you 100 that don’t.
I’m just saying: If you find a need to consistently infuse profanity into your daily conversational form, I will label you as the owner of a small vocabulary, and more often than not, I will be right. This isn’t just MY thinking…go research it a little.
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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 29, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
On the flip side cursing relieves anger and even pain, so it makes sense to occasionally curse.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Hahaha...I agree with you there.
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Seems that Caldwell is going to the Ravens
To be their QB coach.
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I'm ok with this.
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The game has simply pass old school Steelers fan by
Let’s face it. It’s a joystick league. That’s what Goodell wants.
While there is a bone of contention to be had that the Steelers offense should have done better under Arians, I doubt that’s the source of most fans problem here. For most folks, it’s flat-out rebellion against what has become of the NFL. We’re all Jerome Bettis and Greg Llyod fans here, and it’s just too easy to blame the coaches for those days being gone.
While I am comfortable with Arians going away, I hope fans have no illusions about where this is headed. We’re not going back to three yards and cloud of dust. There will be no Ron Erhardt revivalism next season.
The league has moved on. No how matter how much we love this team, it’s time to admit this team just doesn’t play in the sport we grew up watching.
I would have found this statement to be profoundly correct:
it’s time to admit this team just doesn’t play in the sport we grew up watching
…until I watched the SF Niners and NY Giants defenses hammer the opposing offenses as in days of yore, while the Saints, Packers, Falcons sat at home watching as well;
…until I watched a Houston Texans team, with a rookie third string QB, almost beat the Ravens, because the Texans defense was so dominant that it kept their offense in the game until the rookie mistakes just killed their chances. And the Ravens and Texans defense played as in days of yore;
…and (hopefully) as I watch the Giants defense harass, rattle, and smash Tom Baby and Patsies, while Eli picks apart their poor excuse for a defense.
I agree the league is morphing, but fear not; there is still hope that the sport we grew up watching may survive, as evidenced by the style of play that was successful in this year’s playoffs, in spite of Goodell and tne money grubbing, ratings whore owners who are trying to kill it.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Sorry, meant as reply to theobserver
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
I don't know why people are so concerned about the game evolving into a pass-happy game.
You can either pass the football or run the thing, and I don’t know why passing has become such a bone of contention with Steelers fans. Passing isn’t evil.
The rules that have been in place regarding bump and run coverage—the Mel Blount rule—have been around since 1977.
And as far as defenses go. The Patriots AND the Giants both have bottom five defenses. And the 49ers might have had a great defense in 2011, but they were near the bottom in passing, and in the NFC championship game, they were something like 0 for 11 on 3rd downs.
Defense is nice, but offense is pretty darn important, too.
We like to mock the one-dimensional teams that are only good on the offensive side of the football, but whatever reason, we glamorize the teams that are dominant on defense and average on offense.
by Anthony Defeo on Jan 30, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
*for after but and before whatever. Man, I can't comment at all the last two days.
It’s a good thing I’m not part of the riddlah/Frank/tans discussion that has dominated this board. I would have been thrown over the ropes in the first five minutes.
two points:
First – nice article, and it should be obvious to anyone who saw the interview and didn’t just listen to the espn spin machine that the entire thing is a non issue. He only wants to discuss with Rooney what changes he’d like moving forward, and that’s completely fair and professional.
Second – This site is my favorite for discussing football related articles. Unfortunately its getting more and more out of control with language and members getting into attack mode. The moderators are going to have to crack down before it devolves into a site like yahoo where it’s almost impossible to have an intelligent discussion through all the noise of the mental patients spewing bile. I’d like to think it will get cleaned up before normal posters begin to be driven away.
Good Post
Anthony
I agree with you about this.
This is a game not the army
This guy deserves to express his opinion.
Thanks to him the Steelers have been a force in recent years
Win, lose or tie a Steeler's fan forever and until I die.
God is our coach.
The luck doesn't come easily you need to look for it
Quarterback!
Ben is an employee just as all the other members of the team are. Personell matters should be left to the individuals hired to do that and, Ben should concentrate on doing what he was hired to do. BA is gone and if he can’t accept that then, maybe needs to go as well. The STEELERS were a great team before Ben and, I’m sure they will be long after he’s done playing. You are only as godd as your last game. What Have You Done For Them Lately?
I seem to recall...
those great Steeler teams losing consistently in the playoffs to teams with better quarterbacks for many years: Kelly, Montana, JOHN FRIESZ, Aikman, Bledsoe, Elway, Brady/Bledsoe, McNair. That is just since Cowher’s rookie year. Since Ben came on board the Steelers have won 10 playoff games in 8 years with 3 SB appearances. Cowher only won 6 playoff games with O’Donnell, Tomczak, Kordell, Maddox from 1992-2003.
I think that Ben should have a voice in this and I have no problem with him answering in the way that he did. Brady makes suggestions to Belichick and coaches regarding the offense as seen by the documentary, why can’t Ben try to influence the decision to put himself in a better position to succeed.
by Kevin78 on Jan 30, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ben will know the direction his bosses want him to steer the ship
when his bosses want him to know. I’m sure there will be a lot of discussion and evaluation regarding personnel and individual strengths and weaknesses. All those things will come into play when developing the offense.
I’d wouldn’t panic about Ben being out of the loop with the exception of Rooney. Rooney will let the coaches know what he wants and they will implement it. Not Ben.
This will be a very fluid process with a lot of people involved but Rooney, Tomlin and Haley will formulate a plan first.
Direction Changes
I have been a faithful Steeler fan since 1969. I have seen a lot of things change and a lot of great players pass thru the Steelers roster.
I for one would like to see some changes at QB made. It is great that records are broken, big yardage, but it seems that when it counts the QB position falls short under pressure. I know about winning the division, making the playoff’s , but we should have been to the Super Bowl a lot more times than we have.
I think some changes to maturity need to be pushed in and on Ben. I for one don’t think he has a lot of say to Rooney.
Our Defense has won a lot of games and they need a lot of credit. I am not happy about interceptions, fumbles or just throwing the ball away for the heck of it under pressure.and then walk off the field like “oh well”.
So I for one hope there is some positive coaching changes with our QB problem.
I think your take is is dead on
and I think you will see Ben held more accountable as well as the rest of the offense.
by riverhorse_2000 on Feb 11, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
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