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The 2011 Pittsburgh Steelers at the Finish Line

It’s tempting, given the history of success, to ignore the ending of the regular season. Many in Steeler Nation take playoff participation for granted and as such see the post season as simply a normal extension of the football year. This is understandable given past generation of Steelers football. Pittsburgh has qualified for the playoffs with remarkable consistency during the Cowher/Tomlin eras. With all that said, a review of the challenges and achievements of the regular season deserve receiving their due. The structure and participants of the 2011 playoffs has only been known for a few hours. Before the excitement of January football commences, what is our evaluation of the 2011 regular season.

It’s probably fair to say that there is some disappointment in not having a division title and a low seeding in the playoffs. But I’m also certain that if, in August, most reading this had been offered a twelve win season and a spot in the playoffs they would have taken it with few, if any complaints. In previewing the season I wrote that this would probably be a difficult season for fans because, given the circumstances, our expectations would be excessively high. Judging from my own feelings and that of those I know it seems as if we have to constantly remind ourselves that things are actually going pretty well so far. It’s as if we have been limping to the finish line since the debacle in Baltimore in September. It doesn’t matter that the team is tied for the second best record in the conference, or that they beat the Patriots decisively, or that they recorded two shutouts, something of a rarity in today’s NFL. The 2011 regular season seemingly has been defined by in the Nation’s collective psyche by two bad losses (the two Ravens games) and two bad wins (the Colts and the Chiefs).

Star-divide

Although many of us give a lot of lip service to it, I think it’s really hard to wrap our minds around how truly difficult it is to sustain a consistently high level of performance year in and year out. For example, half of the teams in last year’s playoffs (Philly, the Jets, Chicago, Indianapolis, Seattle and Kansas City) didn’t make the cut this year. The reason why that is important in how we discern the progress of the team is that we tend to underestimate the severity of the challenges that this team faces on a weekly basis. In the comment tread from my last piece someone compared the Steelers to the Yankees in terms of how the team is perceived. I think the comparison is appropriate. The Nation often doesn’t notice because the media seems to want to talk about everybody but Pittsburgh. But that doesn’t mean that they are unaware of the team’s actual status.

My awareness of this was elevated in the wake of the first loss to the Ravens. Folks seemed to come out of the woodwork to make the point that the Steelers had gotten their behinds kicked. It took me a while to realize that this was a compliment. As I learned to point out to people on the occasions of the team’s other losses this season, in a normal year there may only be three or four opportunities to give Steelers fans grief. The majority of the people who were taunting me have now moved on to college basketball, hockey, the NBA, whatever.

One common thread concerning the games lost this year is that they came at the hands of playoff caliber teams who had a greater incentive to win. The Texans and 49ers are two franchises that are trying to establish and reestablish themselves respectively as top tier programs. And we know what demons the Ravens are wrestling with. I understand the standard being the standard, but realistically you just can’t circle all of your games in red. I was at Three Rivers Stadium for a game against the Vikings in ’72 when a young Steelers team established that they were now going to play with the big boys. The Vikings were not that amped up. They couldn’t be. Like those Vikings nearly 40 years ago, the Steelers are a team that others constantly measure themselves against. If they can beat Pittsburgh then maybe they have a chance to actually be great. That mindset was betrayed with the Gatorade baths the Ravens engaged in upon their two wins. I only remember three Gatorade baths in the history of the franchise; Bill Cowher in the 05 AFCCG, Super Bowl 40, and Mike Tomlin in the 08 AFCCG. It has to be something really big for the Black and Gold to be splashing sports drinks around. Yesterday while watching the game a guy, frustrated that Cleveland wasn’t being blown out, kept say "It’s just the Browns". "That," I responded, "was the problem. This is their super bowl and we’re saying they’re just the Browns." The good news is that in the playoffs the incentives are equal.

Coaching

With a second consecutive 12 win season and the fourth minimum 10 win year out of 5, Mike Tomlin continues to keep this team performing at a stunningly high level year in and year out. This in spite of having a pretty big target on their backs as defending conference champs, a big bite from the injury bug and another strong dose of controversy. But the most impressive coaching performance this year was turned in by rookie Defensive Backs coach Carnell Lake. Tomlin cut his teeth in this league as a secondary coach for a championship squad at Tampa Bay, and Dick LeBeau is a HOF defensive back, so it shouldn’t be that much of a surprise that the defensive backfield would show improvement. But considering where we came to being the number one pass defense in the league (an even more impressive achievement in light of injuries and losses involving the front seven), and given the fact that though there were some additions, specifically Allen and Brown, the improvement came largely with personnel that were present last year. What could have been considered a feel good hire of a popular former player now looks to be a significant strengthening of an already impressive defensive staff.

Another coach worthy of lifting up is Special Teams coach Al Everest. As recently as 09 the offense and defense were consistently burdened with having to overcome special teams blunders. The trepidation that was usually associated with that phase of the game has completely dissipated. Offensive line coach Sean Kugler also deserves an honorable mention for putting a competent unit on the field week after week in spite of unrelenting injuries and limited talent.

Offensive Line

Wouldn’t it be fun to see what it would be like if you basically started the same five guys for an entire season? No matter what you think of the O line, it would be difficult to fairly evaluate this group given the continual challenge to group cohesion in the form of injuries. I suspect that in the future that Pouncey, a healthy Willie Colon and a more seasoned Gilbert will be the foundation for a strong unit. This year I would salute right guard Ramon Foster for his steady play and Trai Essex functioning in the crucial role as universal sub.

Running Backs

I part company with those who are dissatisfied with the running game. You’ll notice that as the weather has gotten dicey late in the year the running game steps up a bit. Mendenhall has ran hard all year, Redman, despite his bout of the fumbles yesterday, has been more thoroughly integrated into the offense and has a tremendous opportunity ahead of him in the upcoming playoffs. Mewelde Moore has proven that he is not nearly as washed up as many liked to have believed and is still a clutch performer. His role may be crucial in the near term. With surprise contributions coming even from practice squad player John Clay, the only disappointment has been that deadbeat Baron Batch. The problem looking forward is that there will be six pretty good performers to choose from next year. Who do you keep?

Quarterback

And speaking of guys named Batch; once again the Elder Police have emerged, insisting that any player over the age of 30 be banished to the Home, regardless of the status of their skills. Old Man Charlie had a remarkable performance against the Rams considering the fact that he was using a walker and he couldn’t see or hear. Seriously, I don’t get enthusiasm to push Batch out the door. I’m good with all the quarterbacks. I think it’s the best group in the league. But if Dixon stays with the Steelers he’ll rot on the vine. Unless someone shoots Ben (multiple times) he’s not going to get the reps he needs to develop. The narrative that Charlie is too fragile has been countered by the fact that it has been Leftwich and Dixon that have been struggling with injuries. His arm is supposedly too weak, but if Ben could throw the quality of deep ball to Wallace that Charlie has this year and last the Steelers might only have two losses. He knows the offense as well or better than anyone, makes good decisions, is good in the locker room. And being a quarterback over 35 is not the same as being, say, a running back over 35. Leave Charlie alone.

Tight Ends

Anybody miss not having a fullback? I guess Arians won that argument. Heath had a great year, but Weslye Saunders has really got my attention. An improvement from last year and looks like the position will be solid for the foreseeable future.

Receivers

I watched Antonio Brown have an outstanding camp. But a lot of people have had All Pro caliber pre seasons. Brown has fulfilled the promise and then some. Generally, the same could be said for the receiving corps as a whole. The performances of Brown and Mike Wallace has been validated by their selection to the Pro Bowl. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Sanders Is a bust. He’ll be heard from eventually. Isn’t it great to feel that the offense now has the potential to score from anywhere at anytime? Bad news? Is it really the end for Hines? I guess the Elder Police are happy about that one.

Defensive Line

The challenge put forth a few years ago was that the D line had to get younger and deeper. Guess what? The line has caught some grief concerning its performance. Warren Sapp has had a lot of help in criticizing the Steelers defense. Never mind that once again they are the number one defense in the league. I think the perceptual problem is that given the bias toward offense the definition of defensive dominance has shifted. With the likelihood that Smith and Hoke may be gone, it is comforting that Hayward and McLendon are emerging at the right time.

Linebackers

Wouldn’t it be great if we have a healthy Woodley and a healthy Harrison on the field at the same time? Wouldn’t it be great if Harrison wasn’t subject to some silly pro wrestling style narrative that he’s some sort of vicious out of control beast? The depressing thing is that some people actually think this is about safety. It would be hard to imagine the NFL caring less.

Defensive Backs

Ike is having a career year. It’s a shame he didn’t finish higher in Pro Bowl consideration. Folks are still waiting (hoping?) for Willie Gay to blow up. Hold your breath. Reports that Keenan Lewis was a bust were premature. Allen and Brown show great promise. And you can’t say that they are just the beneficiaries of a great pass rush. Pretty good turnaround don’t you think?

Special Teams

The only liability here is the reliability of Suisham’s field goal kicking. But he does contribute positively with his kick offs which have aided in keeping opposing teams from getting advantageous field position. Kapinos punt placement has been a pleasant surprise and raises some interesting questions about that position next year. Generally the play of this unit has been consistently outstanding.

The Playoffs

Generally speaking home field advantage is somewhat overblown. It didn’t help the Steelers in 04 or 07. It didn’t help the Pats or Bears last year. The one possible exception might be Denver because of the unique circumstance of Ryan Clark. In the final analysis the team’s fate will be determined by injuries and turnovers. I think if we can stop the bleeding (and so far we haven’t) and hold on to the ball, maybe even get a few ourselves than our chances are real good. I think the Steelers is the most complete team in all three phases. We can hope.

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Yes, leave Charlie Batch alone. At least two-thirds of the teams in the NFL wish they had a back-up QB as competent as he is.

by Randy Steele on Jan 3, 2012 7:05 AM EST reply actions  

Only better backup I can think of

Would be matt Flynn. Anyone disagree?

"Hey number 16! I'm coming to kill you and there ain't nothing he can do about it!" -James Harrison to Matt Cassel on his LT during the 08' beating of the Pats.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Jon Kitna. Matt Flynn got helped by the refs.

by klompus on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

One game?

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 3, 2012 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not comparing him to Kitna

Asking how the refs helped him throw 6 touchdowns.

by Crizzle12 on Jan 4, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on one game?

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by Fifty-Eight on Jan 3, 2012 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rock solid...

contribution from the last two draft classes, top to bottom, couldn’t be happier.

We've got heads on sticks...

by Kid-A on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

A great reminder of the talent

On this team. Despite the standard is the standard, it looks like this team limps into the playoffs.

by ibygeorge on Jan 3, 2012 8:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Limping to a mile-high stadium.

This game will come down to the success of the Steelers passing game vs. the success of the Denver running game. Can’t wait.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

hopefully

we can use the 2nd half like a mini bye

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

I don’t think Denver is a team that is quitting before the game is over.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not saying that they would quit

Just hoping for the best

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I am good with that then

I am hoping for a win and no more injuries.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 3, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

we are limping in but it was really good to hear that Woodley and Legursky were going to play and that Lewis and Allen weren’t far behind them! I am very afraid of the thought of B Mac being in the secondary that is attempting to stop TB!

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

+ 7

Agreed on all points except one. I do still think that having a full time FB would help this team. See Vonta Leach. I remember being so distraught when our own Rod Woodson decided to coach Oakland’s secondary. It felt like we were given a leftover in Lake. I’m currently eating my words. Carnell has this unit playing lights out aggressive football. I will never question the FO again. Who am I kidding? I’ve stated that a hundred times. Lol. Great write-up Rick on a Stellar Steelers season. Let’s get ready for our horse hunting trip in Denvah this Sunday. Here we GO!

"Hey number 16! I'm coming to kill you and there ain't nothing he can do about it!" -James Harrison to Matt Cassel on his LT during the 08' beating of the Pats.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Jan 3, 2012 8:57 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Any suggestion yet that Ryan Clark will be able to play?

I consider Clark to be the of playing-with-Troy. He’s a top-10 safety in my opinion and when teamed with Polamalu I think forms one of the best Safety-tandems if not the best in the whole league.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

No question

That Clark next to Troy is the best safety duo in the league. Clark is like the secondary’s general. His intelligence is second to none and is usually the reason our DB’s are in the right place at the right time. I sure hope he can go and go 100% in Denver. The past would argue that he shouldn’t be able

"Hey number 16! I'm coming to kill you and there ain't nothing he can do about it!" -James Harrison to Matt Cassel on his LT during the 08' beating of the Pats.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

… To play but because he had his spleen and gallbladder removed he might be able to give it a shot. I’m no doctor so I don’t know much about the ailment and what that surgery did to help his condition. Any medical experts care to give insight? I want to apologize now if I have any spelling or grammar issues as I’m using the sbnation app on a smartphone with a new keyboard that still taking sometime to get used to. Bear with me.

"Hey number 16! I'm coming to kill you and there ain't nothing he can do about it!" -James Harrison to Matt Cassel on his LT during the 08' beating of the Pats.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Not a medical expert, but my wife just had her gall bladder out. That’s not such a big deal (unless you’re recovering from the surgery). Spleens are more necessary, handling red blood cells among other duties. Removing them saved his life, but didn’t necessarily make him cured for the next trip.

The real problem is that he has sickle cell anemia. The gall bladder/spleen were removed because of sickle cell anemia complications. Pretty scary to think that losing organs is a result of an ongoing condition you have. Sickle cell continues to be the issue for him playing at altitude.

After all, the dude’s only got so many organs to leave in Denver.

by gostevego on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said

the man needs to take care of his family, this is just a game.

After all, the dude’s only got so many organs to leave in Denver.

Very well said

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Having to remove a gallbladder is tough too

Gonna bite him in the butt when he gets older.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jan 3, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

How so?

Curious for my wife’s sake.

by gostevego on Jan 3, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It aids in digestion

Your wife will be fine. But as you get older and your metabolism slows down the gallbladder becomes more important.

And by older I’m talking about past 50 years old.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Good to know what not to worry about yet. :)

by gostevego on Jan 3, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Clark and altitudes

According to articles I read in the past few years, because of his sickle cell condition, playing ay high-altitude is potentially lethal.

Last trip to Denver, he didn’t even travel with the team.

by Powermoose on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Tomlin ruled Clark out...no ifs, or maybes, but out.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 3, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

As well he should have.

This is a big game, but it’s also that: A game. Team should be able to win it without Clark, and this isn’t the sort of thing that’s worth dying for. Medically speaking, as mentioned above, the gall bladder isn’t the biggest deal, but the sickle-cell anemia, and inability to properly breathe at high altitudes, means that heavy exercise in such an environment is a HUGE medical risk for him.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet Denver wish Troy had the same issue

and Ben, and Harrison, and Wallace and Brown, then they may have a chance.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They will have a chance

Look for a LOT of questionable calls to go both AGAINST the Steelers, and FOR the league’s most talked-about below-average QB.

The NFL has a audience-interest in the Broncos remaining in the playoffs- I think the Steelers can win an unfairly-called game, but this one might push the limits.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

I think we’ll get an evenly called game.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully

But what makes you believe in fairness here?

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying it will be fair

there is always human error, I just don’t see the NFL telling/implying/suggesting refs to call the game slanted.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be nice if you are correct

The NFL has just seemed a lot more like professional wrestling in recent years…or the NBA, with the “Jordan rules” for certain players.

I don’t expect outright ridiculousness, but I would not be surprised to see most ambiguous calls favor the Tebows.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see

I’ll hold my breathe everything Deebo hits the QB, I do that anyways.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

did you see the lions pack game… ? the officiating is getting worse. much worse

by klompus on Jan 3, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats in general

but it is usually bad for both teams which means an evenly called game

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Clark

is easily a top 5 free safety in this league, if not top 3. And even experts agree he kinda got snubbed this year for the pro bowl due to Ed Reed and his legendary name. Hes not the best coverage guy, but he is a supreme tackler, and has a really high football IQ. Ryan “Nite Nite” Clark, i love it.

by blitzzburgh on Jan 3, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Baron Batch

Ivan – I assume that you’re kidding about Baron Baron being a deadbeat, right? I really hope you’re joking and that you don’t think he should have tried to play through a torn ACL.

by SeanRamblings on Jan 3, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

I think it's a joke

Baron’s training camp may very well determine if Memo comes back next season. Will be exciting to watch him grow. I’ve a lot of faith in this kid’s abilities.

"Hey number 16! I'm coming to kill you and there ain't nothing he can do about it!" -James Harrison to Matt Cassel on his LT during the 08' beating of the Pats.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Of course he's kidding.....

Ivan and I have discussed Baron Batch on numerous occasions, and we both love the guy’s character and ability.

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by Homer J. on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think (If I may speak on his behalf)

That he was making a joke through the assertion that the Back who has the most potential next year (his potential abilities are to be as good as Mendy or better) hasn’t been able to contribute at all due to being cut short in the preseason. The Irony being we will be so loaded at that position going into next year, what do you do?

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

More potential than Mendy

Slow down a bit. The guy was drafted in the 7th round. It is highly unlikely that he has more potential than the first rounder Mendenhall, who has not been a bust. There are guys that have exceptional careers as late or undrafted picks, but if we are discussing potential, then I can’t see how you can make a legitimate argument when 32 teams passed on him 6 times and many past on him 7 times.

by Kevin78 on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Really... how many people missed A Brown? How many passed on Brady for 6 rounds?

Batch comes from a program that was very pass heavy, his running was not a feature of the offense. He has the same abilities as Mendy with better hands and quicker feet. You are in for a pleasant surprise next year.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

Potential is one thing, but in this league all the potential in the world doesn’t mean squat. I’m a fan of BB based on what I have seen and what I read, but to compare the potential of a guy who never played a down in the NFL to Mendy, well, you are reaching a little. I’m with Kevin on this one.

by Norcal_Roxy on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand, but potential is what I am talking about

just because I say that the guy has the potential to be better than Mendenhall doesn’t mean he is going to achieve that, but paying attention to his blog, I believe that his mental strength will have him become just that – I think he is gonna be a star. And lets be honest, Mendy hadn’t been spectacular, so saying that Batch could be better than a 950 yard back? I don’t think that is a stretch.

Oh yeah, and see below for my list of UDFA’s

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Batch will be solid

But I keep wondering why no one wants to give Mendenhall credit for being pretty talented. True, he’s not one of the 2-3 "best: backs in the NFL, but he’s solid, and would be excellent as a receiver out of the backfield at times- It’s on Arians that they use him only for one dimension of his abilities in that regard.

Seriously, I think properly utilized and healthy, Mendy could get most teams 1,000 on the ground, and another 500 through the air. Granted, that would require a certain quarterback to occasionally check it down, something he seems to have a certain reluctance to do.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

LWG - what's up my man?!?

I will put it like this – Mendenhall is good, but I think we used too high of a pick on him and he is also not being fully utilized in the packages that BA is fielding. I am not trying to discount Mendenhall, but I think Batch has a potentially higher ceiling – I could be dead wrong (and it also does no good if BA isn’t using him to his fullest). Plus with the deep backfield we have, it could still be 2-3 years before we really see what we have in Batch.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy New Year dude!

Good to “see” you. I think Batch is going to be good, I just think backfields these days, in the NFL, are inherently sort of “by committee”. As such, I think there is room for both, and at least next year, a few different guys are going to get some time to shine in early games before Mendy is 100%.

I agree with your assessment of Mendy, but I definitely would especially agree that he has NOT been “fully utilized”, and that falls on Arians. He’s not Ray Rice quality as a receiver, but he is bigger and stronger, and if you get him in space, has the potential to be deadly.

He’s done well with it the limited chances he’s gotten- I keep being frustrated that the team doesn’t do it more. If you’re going to draft a multi-talented guy that high, take advantage of EVERYTHING he does well.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy New Year to you as well Bro!

Just to be clear on this as well, I don’t think he will be taking the #1 spot in the off-season, although I don’t think Mendy will be back in time for the season opener – which does open the door. if anything, I think we have an embarrassment of riches right now at RB, the harder thing will be evaluating who stays and who goes. I do think Mendy will be back and will contribute greatly, but with him injured and heading into the last year of his contract, i am not sure how things pan out there…

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if he works his ass off he’ll be back. Welker went out in the last or second to last game with the same injury. He came back the next season to set the world on fire

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but I don't see that mental strength in mendy

This is the same guy that Tomlin had to bench to get him properly motivated for the job. coming back from this type of injury although routine now, is not guaranteed. I am not sure he adapts and overcomes like some others have. We will see though.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

you both may be right, I still hope you’re wrong.

This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.

It smells like seven layers....that beaver eats Taco Bell.

by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Mendy a lot

But I think Welker is more competitive and motivated.

I DO think Mendenhall will be back, certainly by game 2 or 3 if not pre-season, but I can see him not sticking with the Steelers. It just doesn’t seem to be a good match.

SOME team is going to pick him up on the cheap in free agency, and find a quality runner who is also a really good receiver. Look for him to get 1,000 yards rushing with 500 through the air on his second team.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. . .

But its not like we lose a lot if we don’t throw to him in the first place. . .he does have that potential but, for whatever reason, we just don’t utilize him that way which means, for the short term, we aren’t losing as much as we would be if her were taking advantage of those abilities!

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

But a lot of drives stall out because we can’t consistently pick up first downs on the ground, whereas I think Mendenhall COULD be really good for 6-12 yards at a pop with short passes.

Team needs a new OC.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I have been lobbying for N. Turner for a few weeks now

man, the things he could do with our weapons… I hear he may be headed back to big D though. :-(

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah! He is a great OC

but a so-so HC. I would love to have Norv as our OC.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

well it’s officially not possible now

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a pipe-dream anyway - just like Johnathan Joseph in the off season...

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to go that far. . .

BA and BR obviously have great chemistry working together. I do agree that Mendenhall should be utilized as a weapon in the passing game. . .maybe they don’t feel he picks the blitz up well enough or something. . .that one is a head scratcher to me. . .but what I’m saying is that if all of his talents aren’t being utilized when healthy, and running is not the greatest percentage of this offense, then I don’t think it is selling him short to say that its not much of a drop off for this post season run!

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, just to get it straight, I did not guarante he will be great, I said potential.

but just so you get the point that not everyone is properly evaluated by the scouts, here is a short list of Undrafted Greats:

Pat Williams – DT – Minn
Rod Smith – WR – Denver
Sam Mills – LB – Saints / Panthers
Preist Holmes – RB – Ravens / Cheifs
Antonio Gates – TE – Chargers
John Randle – DT – Minn
Kurt Warner – QB – Rams / Cards
Warren Moon – QB – Oilers
James Harrison – DPOY – LB – Steelers
Willie Parker – RB – Steelers (Okay, he wasn’t a great, but he did rush for 1,300 yards and had the league title wrapped up before breaking his leg).

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, John Randle

That guy was nuttier than squirrel sh*t, but man could he ball.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

^ This

That guy was a nut job – but man could he play. Kinda like LT or Ray Ray or Singletary with his intensity.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's call it sarcasm

Batch was outstanding in pre-season and if you read his blog, seems to be a bright, and funny young man with a Steeler attitude.

He wrecked his knee and needed surgery in pre-season.

Next training camp: Mendenhall, Redman, Moore?, Gray, Diesel Dwyer, and B. Batch.
… nice problem to have

by Powermoose on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

- Mendenhall

:(

If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.

by SNW on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

also

I expect to see low round and a udfa or two udfas in training camp just to keep them working hard.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 3, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Great analysis. Those picks make me drool.

BA – I wouldn’t care if he stays or goes. Leaning to CYa. In the FO I trust.

QBs – agree Dixon is gone. Not sure to keep Lefty or Chaz, but true that Chaz stays healthy and Lefty doesn’t. Plus, unclear that Lefty is much better if healthy. I like Kellen Moore. Smart, heady, and accurate. Put him on a rack to stretch him and he’d be even better.

TEs – I am excited to see more of Saunders. How long has it been since we had a TE with moves who can add YAC? Wouldn’t mind seeing a TE with the speed that the new style TEs are bringing to other teams. Don’t see it as a draft need this year tho.

DL – Agree (sadly) on Smith and Hokey. Need a NT. Not sure if I wanna spend a pick on a DE, but I like the idea of another of the mold of Heyward, to get better pressure on QBs from the line versus the LBs. Hood/draftee with Heyward and a Heyward clone would be great in passing situations. Don’t know much about Crick. Care to enlighten?

LBs – Agree draft for ILB. Not sure if this is the #1 pick. Would prefer #1 for OL and ILB with #2. Harrison-Wood-Timmons-Burflict would be awesome … damn, I need to change my pants.

CBs – What a turnaround. Love to see Lewis, Allen, and Brown develop. Of course keep Ike and Lewis. Dunno we really need a 6th.

S – Troy and Clarke are great together. May wanna spend a draft pick on backing up Troy and grooming to replace. Troy seems to get be getting injured more and more.

Sushi – has to go.

by NCSteeler on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Crick is a beast, played beside Suh a couple years back but kept up his production even without him. What I love about him is that he is 6-6 and 285 and could put on 10-15 more pounds and not lose any speed. He will need to learn some technique but he has all the talent to start on this line. If he panned out I doubt we’d be able to keep him beyond his rookie contract unless he gives a big discount. He had 9+ sacks and 70+ tackles (15+ TFL) in 2009 and 2010. This past year his injury shortened his season. But this is a guy who if kept his production and stayed uninjured could have gone in the 1st or 2nd round in the draft.

I go ILB #1 because of the value. The only guy at Guard that I see as a sure #1 pick is David DeCastro from Stanford but we won’t be drafting high enough to get him. The talent level really drops off after the first round for ILBs (who usually falls on draft day) while the talent in the Guard positions is pretty solid in the second round. NT is a possibility but I think Hampton has at least one more year in him and there is talent that can be had in the 3rd round at NT. Those are the three most pressing positions to me so thats where I went. I went DE because of the depth issue, if one of our guys goes down we’re really thin at DE Hood and Kesiel are starters with Heyward backing up. McLendon could play some but I’d rather have him at DT. Crick could back up Hood and complete the second defensive line on this team so we can rotate and keep guys fresh in this new passing league.

Just so you are aware I went for a NT in the 3rd round with Chapman. :)

As for as Troy and Clark, I think they have a couple of years left and you don’t replace Troy with a 6th or 7th round pick, we’d need to spend a first rounder for his replacement. Thats why I’d wait before I pick Troy’s replacement.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the best mock draft I've seen for the Steelers.

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by Riddlah. on Jan 3, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I only disagree strongly with one thing you wrote...

I think there is still mutual interest and we bring Plax back to be the 3b receiver

I don’t see the Steelers bringing Plax back. A problem child who ran away, shot himself in the foot (thigh) in more ways than one, and now is seeking the money, is NOT a set of character issues this team seeks out. Plax may not be with Jets next year, but I don’t see him with us either.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well there was interest at the beginning of this season

and Plax took the money, but who can blame him, he was just getting out of jail – lucky to be offered jobs. He thought it could work with a team that went to the AFCCG in the last two years. I don’t think thats a character flaw, its reality. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got Plax next year, Ben always wanted a big WR and after a year with the Jets I’m thinking Plax might want to go somewhere stable, we’d be able to offer him a better contract also with Hines, Farrior, and Smith gone.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not trying to argue Tan

but simple fact is – we don’t need him. Is he going to take a back seat to #89? Where would he fit in? He doesn’t fit unless he is replacing #17, but I don’t see that happening.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No we don't need him

not in particular but we will need another WR with Hines and possibly Jerrico gone (he only signed a one year deal) and I don’t want to look for one in the draft. Like I said Plax would be used in certain packages he wouldn’t replace #17, #84, nor #88. But you need more than 3 WRs on the Roster. Even if Jerrico comes back I could see us wanting Plax. Part of what makes Rodgers and Brees so good is that they are very deep in the WR department. Gennings, Jones, Nelson, Driver to name a few. You could go down the list with the Saints too.

I’m not trying to argue, just having the discussion. It may not happen, I would just be in favor of it happening and not surprised if it did happen.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I was sad to see Plex go when he left

but he never really lived up to his potential, I still don’t see him being as good as he could be. if he came back I would be happy, but I wouldn’t want to lose anyone we have to get him – not even Hines at this stage of his career. I think Cotchery is back next year, he has been pretty open with his Pittsburgh love and he isn’t looking for the big payday and was willing to not be a #1 or #2 guy, he wants a ring. The price will be right and he stays on board (I think that is the same whether or not we win the SB).

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He won't be #1 WR quality

but I think he’ll contribute more than Hines did this year. IDK maybe I’m just crazy. lol

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, and like I said, I would like to have him on the squad

I just don’t want to see them reach for him. If he comes back with a “whatever it takes” attitude like Cotchery, I am down. Otherwise – Meh.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW Tann

Just watched a little one on one with Hines on Steelers.com and he said he is not ready to retire, that he still wants to play and to contribute when his name is called, and to pass on his knowledge to the youngsters…

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see man

I think one thing that will tell is how the playoffs goes. They forced the ball to hines because they wanted to get him to 1k this year, there will no such motivation next year. I would like to see him stay as a Ast. WR. coach though.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cotchery takes any deal the Steelers give him...

…he seems to be seeking titles more than money, and his comments about his impressions of the locker room indicate he wants to play for a winner. Plus, and its just a vibe but, I get the sense he sees honor in being the guy to step in behind future HOF #86.

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to have him back

I loved Cotchery since he was catches passes from Phillip Rivers at NC State. I just drool over having that deep of a WR corps with Plax here.

Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Burress

Find a better 5 in the league I dare you.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a pretty nasty lineup

and if BA could figure out how to do a screen, add Mendy and Batch to that? Ouch.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

I think Mendy will be here for at least one more contract. He is only 24 and will be 25 when he is up for his next contract. A 4 year deal should do it. I still think Mendy’s best years are ahead of him. Plus why add another position to draft for, we have enough on our plate now.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I would still take a shot at another 6th round rookie

before I drafted Burress. I think Holmes wasn’t the only WR that gave up early in NY this year.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This

I have been feeling for more than a year that the Steelers should have gotten more when they shipped Holmes away- in retrospect, it looks like the Jets have a bit of buyer’s remorse, and the Steelers performed some addition by subtraction.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yes ... but

Steelers were right to dump Holmes when they did, but a lot of us still think they could’ve gotten more than just a 5th for him ….

That said, whatever …. moving on … and lovin’ the studs that we do have at WR, including Sanders and Cotchery

by Watty4ever on Jan 3, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

was surprised/disappointed they couldn’t upgrade that compensation too, but agreed on the new receivers.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Burress

The few times I saw him this year he seemed to be coasting on most plays. Maybe he was making an effort and I just wasn’t able to appreciate it or I just caught him at bad times.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 4, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't THINK

Crick or Zeitler will be available that late, but I think those are solid picks, good mix of need and excellent players.

I think this year, the team needs to package a few later picks, move up to target guys they definitely want, and get greater quality, and less quantity. This way, they fill holes, and don’t have to cut talented guys after training camp just because they don’t have the room.

Rec, btw.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it depends on his injury

if he is able to do anything for the combine and pro day then we’ll probably won’t get a chance to draft him, if he is still hampered by that pectoral strain, (the same injury that kept Aaron Smith out for a year) he could be there at the bottom of the 4th and if he is, we should take him. We don’t need him day one and when fully healed he is a beast and would develop in our system. We’d have a great rotation at D-line.

I thought about trading up and I think we could this year we may need to in order to get Zeitler which I think would be worth it to trade up in the second to make sure we got a quality guard. If we can do it and still keep our 3rd round pick I say go for it.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I had thought about that too (drafting Moore) I could totally see that. Most likely be able to get him in the late rounds, and he seems like a hard worker. Would be nice to land him imo

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was suprised to see his stock so low

I thought he’d at least be a 3rd rounder. If he is gone I like Case Keenum too, give him some time to sit and learn.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe in Houston QB’s. Every single one of them that I can remember has been a complete bust in the NFL (Klingler, Kolb, Andre Ware) I don’t think it’s a coincidence. It’s like Hawaii Qb’s

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

we’re just looking for a 3rd QB though and hoping to strike gold. No pressure really. Plus there are always exceptions to rules, not saying Case is just saying you know?

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I know. Someone has to finally break that mold. It’s just weird that they are so damn good in college…then they hit the pro’s

I really really like the idea of Moore though. As I said, I thought about this before. Only drawback is he’s left handed. I’ve heard there are a lot of adjustments that have to be made by the entire offense for a left. That would kinda suck in the middle of a big game. But still. I’d like to have him.

(in my Jon Gruden voice)
Let me tell you about this Kellen Moore guy, I mean..the guy is just a winner..

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

love the Jon Gruden voice.

oh yea there are a lot of adjustments, the ball comes out the QB hand different, the RT now becomes the blind side and the left side of the field is seen first typically, if you are left handed usually your left-eye dominant, I’m left handed so I know.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Kellen Moore is a NFL QB ...

Saw him play in person versus Va. Tech this past year. A very accurate QB who doesn’t have a cannon for an arm but can put the ball in tight places and just plain wins. Throws a nice ball. I wouldnt’ be upset if the Steelers spent a 4th or 5th round pick on him.

by datruth4life2.0 on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I have my fingers crossed for this,

We need the future to be behind Ben right now. Doesn’t necessarily have to be in the #2 position, but does need to be on the team.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction on the OL:

They aren’t going to move Gilbert to Guard. You have a better shot of them moving Colon inside but if that were the case it would have happened already. . .as it is, I’ll be shocked if Starks is a Steeler again next year. It will probably be left to right: Gilbert; Legursky; Pouncey; draft pick; Colon

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't they bring Starks back?

And Gilbert has played guard before, I see no reason why he couldn’t do it again. Colon isn’t moving gilbert is. I don’t see any other way.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think the Steelers will spend a first-round pick on a prospect with as many red flags as Burfict?

That just doesn’t seem to be K. Colbert’s style. Maybe later in the draft or as a free agent, but not in the first round. Santonio might be the only exception and we all saw how that story ended. I haven’t seen Burfict play so I can’t make an informed judgment one way or the other.

by datruth4life2.0 on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen him play but I haven't heard about the red flags?

Let me know I might have to change that pick. Lucky for us there are several ILBs that we could possibly take.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh there’s a lot. He was benched a couple times this year because he’s impossible to deal with. Even though he could have really helped the team, the coach still benched him. you gotta assume it’s serious for a player with his talent on a big name school that needs wins like ASU gets benched. Usually they get special treatment.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, and he had some ridiculous amount of personal fouls. I remember in a game I watched a few weeks ago, he had at least 3 really stupid ones, on the same drive

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If you've seen him play then you should know why he's not the right pick

Dude is always cheapshotting people and takes plays off unless he is interested. He is a penalty machine that cant seem to control himself.

Another thing that I dont like about him is that he too often he goes for the big hit instead of the sure tackle. And everybody says his instincts are that good, but I just dont see it. Saw him play vs Oregon and he looked lost.

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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting?.. My take

Are you troubled at all that Burfict’s coach (Dennis Erickson) and defensive coordinator faulted his effort this year? While he definitely is a beast, maybe we need more awareness rather than pure hostility.

Therefore, I still like going with Dontari Poe in round 1 if he is there. Then pick up the ilb from tcu in round 3. Gotta like a guy who posts 162 tackles in a year.

Then maybe Brandon Taylor of LSU in Round 4. I think we should draft a safety with big upside.

Like the Boise State pick.

by Steelzombie on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen some personal fouls

but it wasn’t enough that I thought it couldn’t have been worked out of him. The effort issues I haven’t heard of. So I’d have to change that pick to Teo if he is there.

Poe is not a first round nose tackle from what I have seen of him. Plus I think hampton can give us another year, farrior can’t. I stick with the first round ILB .

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a question. Let’s say you’re in a game. You take one stupid PF, then come back to the sideline. You get a nice little talking to, and are back out there the next play. What should you do in this situation? A) Play hard, try to make a play B) Look lost because you’re mad, then follow the end of the play by getting the exact same stupid penalty

Now…imagine that same situation played itself out 3 times in one game, and the answer was always B
That type of situation has happened in more than a couple games.
I’m never one to write someone off, and I believe some people can thrive in the right situation, I’m really not sure about Burfict. He’s going to need some sort of tough love or some spiritual revelation.

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by FrankWyt on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

See Ray Lewis

lol (insert joke)

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 4, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Cutting edge humor there

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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ivan, thanks for the perspective.

Weird for me. Steelers are in the playoffs. Yet I can’t see how they get far, not with all the injuries. So despite this being days away from the first playoff game, I’m already thinking toward the draft and whatif whatif whatif for next year, especially what if the team stays pretty healthy.

One concern is RB. I have a bad feeling about how Mendy will come out of this. We clearly need more speed than what Sir Isaac brings. Which turns us to Batch. Are we depending too much on what he can do, since he hasn’t yet had a single carry in the league? No diss on Mewelde, he is clutch and I like him, but he isn’t a starter.

by NCSteeler on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Do you think

we will resign Mike Wallace?? He is going to command a pretty hefty price tag. . .that’s a lot of money for the number of drops he’s accumulated. . .here’s another one to throw at you. . .what about drafting Lamichael James in the first round. . .wouldn’t he be like a Sproles player in our offense???

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Jordy Nelson money

If the Steelers have to pay Wallace much more than $5MM per, they might have to tag him for a year … but there’s no way they’re letting him go. He may’ve had a few more drops this year, but I don’t think he dropped any passes in his first 2 years … none I can remember. Maybe 5 drops in 2 years? Anybody have the number?

by Watty4ever on Jan 3, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

your probably close. . .

but in his first 2 years. . .he would only go deep (hence MT’s name for him of 1 trick pony). . .this year, he has been trying to capitalize on his deep reputation by catching more slants and bubble screens in traffic which has inflated his drops. . .

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever we'd turn to

outside of batch wouldn’t have a single carry in the league so its a wash. Mendy will be fine. I don’t get the concern with him, he has came back from an injury once as a rookie, I can only matter he’ll do the same even better this time since he knows what is expected and its a contract year for him.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Expect Steelers to take RB in draft next year ...

Mendy’s ACL injury probably means he won’t be back after next year. I expect him to probably start next year on the PUP list and be activated by Week 7. The Steelers could use this draft to try and find their starter for the future. The one comforting thought is that our front office and scouts have done a great job find RBs that fit our system. I hadn’t paid that much attention to this year’s running back class, but I will now.

1 – LG, Cordy Glenn, Georgia
2 – NT Josh Chapman, Alabama
3 – ILB Kevin Reddick, UNC
4 – FS Baccarri Rambo, N.C. State
5 – CB Asa Jackson, Cal Poly
6 – RB Bernard Pierce, Temple.
6 – DE/OLB Jacquies Smith, Missouri
7 – QB, Jordan Jefferson, LSU

by datruth4life2.0 on Jan 3, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Mendy is young

don’t think he will be gone, he’ll just come back cheaper. He’ll start next year, week 1.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Smith will not be available

The 49ers will snatch him up. They have to. They have cornered the market on defensive lineman from Mizzou named “Smith”.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Jan 3, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Defensive backfield

the Steelers FO deserves all sorts of credit for rebuilding both the OL and the WR position despite a few bad misses in the early rounds of recent drafts (Sweed? Urbick?), but I’m most jacked about the job they’ve done with the DB’s – Gay, Lewis, Allen and Brown all show tremendous promise and I think Lewis and Allen might have “Ike-like” potential. Haven’t seen enough of Brown outside of ST, but given his performance there and his draft spot, is it possible the team now has 5 “starting quality” CB’s on the roster?

Fantastic improvement and great depth at position of greatest weakness over the past 5-6 years IMO, including OL.

by Watty4ever on Jan 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Guys, FS B. Rambo is from UGa., not N.C. State

I changed something in my mock and head Rambo’s college wrong. Here is the correct version:

1 – LG, Cordy Glenn, Georgia
2 – NT Josh Chapman, Alabama
3 – ILB Kevin Reddick, UNC
4 – FS Baccarri Rambo, U. of Ga.
5 – CB Asa Jackson, Cal Poly
6 – RB Bernard Pierce, Temple.
6 – DE/OLB Jacquies Smith, Missouri
7 – QB, Jordan Jefferson, LSU

I might be in the minority, but I love OLB Courtney Upshaw from Alabama. You saw how our pass rush is without Woodley and Harrison and it is not good at all. I would have no problem getting that impact pass rusher to groom behind Harrison for a year and to tag team with Woodley for this second window of competing for championships as Ben enters in his 30’s. Another player to keep an eye on is NT Hebron Fangupo from BYU. He is 6’1, 330 lbs., started out at USC but finished up his career at BYU. He’s raw, but could be a Steelers type of prospect.

by datruth4life2.0 on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

lol

I was about to say, I follow NCSU pretty heavily and don’t know a Rambo on the squad.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

tannofshteel84, how good is ILB Audie Cole from N.C. State?

I was impressed when I saw him play, but I wonder if he is athletic enough to run with the Ray Rice’s of the world out of the backfield. Any ILB the Steelers draft early has to be able to play all 3 downs. You would think it would be time for Stevenson Sylvester to show up and lay claim to that other ILB spot opposite of Timmons. He fits that mold.

by datruth4life2.0 on Jan 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Audie Cole has been good for State

I just don’t think he translates well to the NFL where the game is faster and the athletes are better. I’d stay away from him if I was the Steelers. To me he fits a 4-3 better where the emphasis is on the defensive line and not the linebackers. State has a good little history for putting decent linebackers into the league, Tulloch, Irving who we will be seeing in Denver this weekend. I honestly like Manning as a better transition to the league. I think cole can be a good player just not for the Steelers.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 3, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Favorite part about this 2011 Steelers squad

is the greatly improved secondary. Carnell Lake has been awesome for this team. With Lewis, Brown, and Allen all progressing nicely we should have an elite secondary for years to come when you put youth like that with priceless experience and skill like Polamalu, Clark, and swaggin Ike. The teams biggest weakness a year ago has turned into potentially its biggest strength in a years time, that speaks volumes about Carnell Lake IMO.

by blitzzburgh on Jan 3, 2012 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

couldn't agree more

It should really take the defensive backfield off of the board for us this April and allow us to focus on the OL and DL. . .If we are going to stay great, we need a Casey Hampton play a like for the future. . .look at the history peopl. . .joel stee retired in, I believe, 1995ish. . .Casey got here in the early 2000’sish. . .our two worst years in the past 20 were 98 and 99. . .coincidence? I think not!

by 7th Heaven on Jan 3, 2012 8:26 PM EST reply actions  


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