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Butler over Lebeau

I found today that Butler will remain as our LB coach, waiting for Coach dad to retire. Now, i love Lebeau, he is a genious. but for the last few years there is something wrong with the D. Yes I know Top 3, but at the end only counts the last game you played, and usually the D has played terrible in that final game. Maybe its time for Lebeau to turn over the crown to the next in line. Butler is a Steeler since 2003, he is the one that develop Timmons, Woodley, Harrison, etc. I don't know if Tomlin is afraid of what could happen with the team if he fire Lebeau, but at least he must try to convince him to retire, and let Butler contribute with a fresh approach. And i really love to know what Steeler Nation thinks about it.

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Do you think, that Butler deserves the DC job over Coach dad?
Yes
83 votes
No
168 votes

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wow

so you’d throw out Lebeau because of the last game played. I guess the fact there were no D-linemen available to rotate at altitude made no difference?

Butler may be a great DC, or he may wind up with brain cramps on game day. He has potential – that is all he has at this time.

Lebeau IS a great DC and has proven it for years.

By this logic, we should trade Roethlisberger to the colts for their #1 pick. After all, Luck might be a HOF caliber QB someday…

by lkwdsteel on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

its not just the denver game

how may QB has own our D. our current D, is not made for what the game has evolved to. Lebeau is a great DC, but he is obsolete now. I love the guy, and he is one of the reasons the steelers has been so successful in the last years, but we need to renew of die. Put a statue of Lebeau in the stadium entrance, but i think its time to step down.

by simbiom on Jan 31, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady would disagree with that statement this year - Lebeau owned him.

How about another idea – lets cut Roethlisberger! He couldn’t score in the final drive to beat Denver. What a bum!

Troy didn’t get a pick in Denver this year – cut him.
Harrison didn’t get a sack – cut him.
Woodley made no impact – cut him.
And the biggest no brainer – cut Ike because, wow what a bad game he had.

Thankfully the argument is mute because the team isn’t run by a bunch of knee jerk reactions. There isn’t a coach or player in this league that could stand up to the scrutiny you are dishing out. Anything less than perfections ALWAYS is unacceptable and we should cut bait and just roll with potential. Following your line of thinking would keep a team high in potential every year, because I guarantee you that team would be picking top 3 every draft.

by lkwdsteel on Jan 31, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

This article should have been deleted before it was horrendously typed

by rerun7378 on Feb 1, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What have you done for me lately?

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by John Stephens on Jan 31, 2012 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

+7 and Rec'd

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Feb 1, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

When was the last time Pittsburgh’s defense stopped someone when it REALLY mattered:

2007: Jacksonville
2008: Arizona
2009: Oakland
2010: Green Bay
2011: Denver

With the exception of “The Drive II”, which saved the Steelers in SB XVIII, the defense has not stopped an opponent from scoring at the point of make/break, with the season on the line, in the past 5 years. Now, I’m sure that everyone deserves some of that blame, but eventually the buck has to stop with the guy calling the plays, no?

by pistil_stamen on Jan 31, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

You just said all that needs to be said. Thank you for stating it so perfectly.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 31, 2012 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree....

since we’re talking about the defense and we’re ignoring the offense, the fact that the offense was required to win the game on one of the greatest drives in Super Bowl history after the defense failed to hold a lead is irrelevant.

/sarcasm

by sgtrobo on Jan 31, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

did you know that both teams get paid to do what they do?

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

+6

"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."

by Paulie58 on Jan 31, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Compelling rebuttal…

We are both stating facts, aren’t we? I’m not griping about the obvious success that Pittsburgh has enjoyed over the past decade, I’m merely pointing out that the defense has not held when it has mattered most and asking who should shoulder the blame for those (relative) failures.

by pistil_stamen on Feb 1, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Most DC's lose there last game.

11/12 playoff teams included.
Around 10/20 of the, I’ll go 7/20 due to some teams already wrapping up the season.
So 21/32 DC’s lose there last game of the season.

If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.

by SNW on Jan 31, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

I think my math is wrong, but point is ok.

If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.

by SNW on Jan 31, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I can not believe this is even a conversation

Say I grant you all of Lebeau’s deficiencies. What are you expecting out of Butler that will improve this defense? I still have not read 1 comment telling me something to expect from him that Lebeau can not do.
To improve the pass D that got ripped up by elite QB’s? Oh wait, they were number 1 in that category this year. How about the huge games the D DID win?
The 2 Ravens playoff games, the Indy playoff game, the Denver AFCCG, Dallas in 08, ravens in 08, how far should I go? I assure you the good list goes on a lot longer than the bad.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 31, 2012 3:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This is I believe one of the greatest story in Steelers History actually.

A smooth transition from Coach Dad to Butler, what a marvelous guy Lebeau is.

"Everytime NE Patriots lose, Football wins", myself

by rhino-mike on Jan 31, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

Your post is a textbook example of Sophistry...

…which, for your edification, is: sophistry:
1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.
2. a false argument; sophism.

Your argument is a false argument (definition #2), because there is no need to eliminate LeBeau in favor of Butler, because the succession has apparently been agreed upon, maybe not to the timetable of your liking, but its not your call.

Also, your argument is fallacious (definition #1), because if the defense is to blame for the calamity of that “final game”, would not Butler be just as liable for the performance as LeBeau? He is afterall, one of the coaches on the defense, in particular the linebackers.

Your argument is specious, because

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Jan 31, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I was going to continue...

…but I think you get my point.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Jan 31, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt he gets it

but great point.

"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."

by Paulie58 on Jan 31, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

well said

and thank you for bringing logic to bear on this conversation.
The problem I have with our coaching staff, and that is our entire coaching staff, is that they never seem to make significant at halftime. I’m not saying we should fire all of the coaches and start over, but I would like to see better adjustment in the future

I'm your huckleberry

by CLK47 on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone who thinks the D

Lost the SB to the Packers obviously didn’t watch the game.

"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."

by Paulie58 on Jan 31, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

No.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."

by 1BlkGldFan on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

I think LeBeau should be allowed to coach until he's at least 82

provided there are no scandals/crimes occuring beneath his supervision.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

LeBeau

I think he’s a bit stubborn at times. I think there are games when instead of changing up a couple things to adjust to the opponent’s offense, he stays the course and waits for the defense to make a play and turn the tide. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t. This was a strange year. Typically, it takes a QB like Brees, Manning, Brady, or Rodgers to beat the Steelers. This year, they beat Brady, but it was Shaub, Flacco, Tebow, and Alex Smith that won. Weird. The Denver loss stings, it really does, but at the same time, it was a blessing. The team was really beat up.

by twault on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Could a split work????

Is anyone aware of a situation ever where two men split def play calling?

Not sure how that would work. Series by series or first half 2nd half. Would be good to see him get some type of shot at it. However, I have a felling the front office knows what they have in him.

by MrZoot on Feb 1, 2012 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yup...

…the Good Bruce Arians and the Bad Bruce Arians…and you saw the results.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Love him but....

I wonder if a fresh approach would be better. I watched Arizona defense under our former assistant. He called creative blitzes to create pressure with a mediocre front 7. They sacked a QB 6 or 7 times and we played same team next week and had zero ( cant recall which game)
When is the last time we stunted and had a wide open guy on the QB? Not often. I think coach relies on talent and not scheme. We don’t give up a lot of points. But late game collapses cannot be ignored.

by scottd7 on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions  


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