My Mock Draft v. 4.0: Post Senior Bowl Edition
Okay so now both the East-West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl are over. I recorded both on my DVR and have now watch every snap of each at least 5 times. Not only that but I watch the Senior Bowl practices on NFL Network as well. So after being impressed by so prospects here is another mock draft. This one has an interesting scenario in it that I will explain. Also keep a look out for my updated Knowing Your Guards: A Look at the 2012 Prospects (shameless plug anyone?) as I have taken plenty of notes on the many guard prospects in the bowl games and I am currently deciding how that will effect their rankings.As always comment on what you like and what you don't like but understand I am prepared to defend my draft fully.
Round #1, Pick #24-
Dontari Poe, DT Memphis-
I have heard a lot about this guy from other resources. I have watched interviews but unfortunately know one who is a Memphis fan knows how to use Youtube so I haven't actually seen him play. I have however seen, him lift, seen him talk seen other talk about him and have seen his height weight statistics. Everything points to him being a driven, strong but very raw NT prospect. With Casey Hampton going to be cut, (yes I called it the Steelers will cut him and make a play to resign him if and when he is healthy and in shape) and Hoke retiring this is definitely in my opinion the Steelers biggest need.
Round #2, Pick #56-
Doug Martin, RB Boise State-
Before I give my analysis and rational on this pick I like to take you back to April 26th, 2008. The Steelers were picking 23rd. The Steelers had finished the year prior as a first round loss to the Jacksonvile Jaguars, after losing Willie Parker to a broken leg in week 15. Parker had a Pro Bowl year and the team finished 3rd in rushing. However they had no true backup to Parker and he was injured. Parker had only one year left on his contract. On that day the Steelers drafted a well rounded, one year wonder RB who had good speed and power. His name was Rashard Mendenhall. Now we are back we are back to the present. The Steelers are picking 24th. The Steelers finished the season one and done, to the Denver Broncos. They lost their starting RB Mendenhall in the final week to an ACL injury which is commonly thought as a six month injury. The Steelers back up is a former Undrafted Free Agent Isaac Redman. He is a solid back but not a featured back. Rashard Mendenhall has one year left on his contract. Understanding this the Steelers draft his replacement in Doug Martin. I have been enamored with Martin's play since his opening play against my school in the Las Vegas Bowl.( A 99yard kick return for a TD) Martin is 5'9" 210lbs. He has good speed and great quickness. He plays with a low center of gravity and always falls forward playing behind his pads. Martin has a very strong lower body and can break tackles well. Doug Martin is a good mix of speed and power. He is also very good in the kick return game. The only thing he can't do well is block. Doug Martin had a good Senior Bowl week and was easily the best of the RB there. Martin kind of reminds me of Ray Rice who is 5'8 212. However Ray runs a little more violently.
Round #3, Pick #88-
Brandon Brooks, OG Miami (Ohio)-
This is the classic small school guy whose stock rose because of his East-West Shrine Game performance. Weighing in at 6'5" 353lbs he dominated with long arms and impressive lower body strength. This guy doesn't even look like a 350lbs player he is very well built and has a good explosion because of it. His best attribute when watching him on tape was his drive blocking. He can stay low get his long, powerful arms on his opponent and push then clear out of the way. He has good feet in the passing game two, and when he gets his hands on his opponent he can wash them out of the play. He does a nice job of peeling off double teams and finding a man in the second to hit. Quick enough to get out on screen pass which leads me to believe he can do so pulling as well. His biggest problem was he is an outside grabber. He needs to do a better job of fighting to get on the inside, the strike the opponents chest plate and drive him out of the way. He can get tire and play high and lean at times as well. If Brooks can fix his hands, and play consistently low he has the massive size, ideal hand size, arm length and sheer power in his upper and lower body to dominate at the NFL level. i had him as a 4th round pick after watching the game just a couple of times after watching every snap of his I am convinced he will go in the first three rounds. The Steelers like big O-linemen and this is a massive man who can play all phases of the game well.
Round #4, Pick #120-
James-Michael Johnson, ILB Nevada-
Johnson look good at the Senior Bowl. He wasn;t anything special but he was what I anticipated. He is 6'1" 249lbs ILB prospect who is very good in between the tackles. He has a good ability to anchor against blocks and can stack and shed effectively. He is thickly built and has good athleticism. His vision is above average and he can find the ball carrier in traffic though he needs to improve in this area.Johnson is a very good tackler. In the passing game he plays high and is often a step slow in man coverage. He was a vocal leader of Nevada's team and great in the weight room. He will be a liability in man coverage against a WR but should be good enough against most TE. If he can find the ball quicker and understand the passing routes in zone he can be good enough to start as a thumper inside linebacker.
Round #5, Pick #152-
Derek Wolfe, DT Cincinnati-
Wolf is 6'5" 286lbs long athlete. He plays with his head up and has good vision. Wolf uses his length well, keeping his hands in his opponent and reading the play. Wolfe does play with a good base in the running game. He has log arms which are ideal. He doesn't have the best strength, or elite quickness but he has a great motor and wok ethic. He lacks a pass rush move but as a 3-4 RE he isn't required to have one. Derek Wolfe does a good job at reading plays, finding the ball and working through contact that leads me to believe he is ideal for a two gap system. Wolf will come in get stronger and eventually be a solid back up at a 3-4 RE.
Round #6, Pick #184-
Christian Thompson, FS South Carolina State-
Thompson is a 6'0" 213lbs well built athlete. He is fast and can turn out of his breaks easily. He is very willing to make a tackle with violent collisions. however he struggles to recognize routes, and has a hard time finding the ball. This limits his ability to make plays even when he is in good position. Right now he is a Special Teams gunner who you hope you can teach to become something more but it may take him at least a couple of years. With Clark and Troy really mentoring him I like him as at least a back up safety and good special teams player.
Round #7, Pick #216-
Greg Zuerlein K, Missouri Western State-
Zuerlein hit an amazing 23 of his 24 FG attempts. That includes 21 straight and nine of those 21 were from 50+yards. He has amazing range and accuracy. In the East-West Shrine game he hit a 35 yarder that sailed over the up-rights, he did a nice job on an on-side kick and kick a kickoff that landed 8yards deep and when it go to the return man it had so much air that the return team was already at the 25 yard line. From 2007-2011 he was 59 of 74 with a career FG% of 79.73%. He season longs were 43 in 2007, 48 in 2008, 53 in 2009 and 58 in 2011 which he did twice in the same game. Did I mention that in the game where he kicked 2 from 58 yards it was his first full week back from injury and he said he wasn't 100%. He said his range is about 65 yards. He has a monster leg here is a video link to under the up-rights when he kicked his 58 yarder, http://youtu.be/8WZWsyoGGic, you can clearly see it could have been good from much farther away.
So that's it. Hope ya enjoyed the read, and found out about some guys you may have not known too much about. I will be doing plenty more of these as I learn more about who the Steelers are interested and certainly after the Combine. Right now it is all just speculation based on the Steelers style of drafting and guy I like who fit that style.
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Zuerlin sounds like someone we should grab.
I desperately want a superstar kicker.
Yeah...
He has had a history of injury, his hip but if the doctors medically clear him I’d take him. Could be why his stock dropped. He made it through this year so signs look good.
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Another great kicker in college with a history of injury?? We've heard that story before
We have 2-time Ray Guy Award-winning punter in college, Robopunter. He also had an ACL reconstruction while at Baylor and now currently has trouble kicking a full season.
The 2 players are entirely different from one another, but it leaves me very gun shy about drafting another kicker/punter with a broken wheel.
I like it!
Not sure if Poe is projected as a 1st rounder, but if he is, he fills a need for sure.
RB at the 2nd is definitely not on many’s radar, but this is a classic example of taking BPA. I would agree if we could get a Ray Rice player in the 2nd, not many would turn this down, even when viewed by many that OG is a ’dire" need.
I don’t have a problem with picking an OG not until the 3rd. I think whats most important for our O-Line is to be able to work as a unit. Legurksy will do fine at LG. All we really need is a solid upgrade at RG. Of course, an LT would do, but a lineup of Gilbert/Legs/Pouncey/rookie/Colon could be formiddable if they can all stay healthly and learn to work as a unit.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 31, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions
Foster is clearly better than Legs
or else it wouldnt have taken Legs so long to break into the lineup (only reason he got the job was because Kemo was playing terribly). so just replace him with Foster in your lineup and we should see a good improvement.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think Legs has the higher football IQ.
And is more tough minded. I’d take him over Foster, but I am a fan of either.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen Poe taken as eary as 11 in some mock drafts
Check out NFLdraftblitz.com and NFFdraftscout.com, both free sites that provide great information on all of the various prospects and cool mock drafts.
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I know the Steelers draft BPA, but I would actually be pretty mad if we drafted a RB in the first four rounds.
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Just trying to prepare you for the possiblilties...
I don’t know how many of you wanted or though about Mendenhall. I thought it could be a possibility but I wanted Ray Rice in the 2nd. Watch him play a lot at Rutgers he was a beast running through tackles.
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Byron Batch is one to watch
Mendy will be iffy by end of camp and is in the last year of his contract. I doubt he gets a huge deal from us I think Batch can be a great change of pace back.
2012 draft could be greatly influenced by who the OC is and what he wants to target.
My view
Of the RBs from last year, Mendehall, Redman, Dwyer, Clay and Batch will return. Three of those guys finished the season on IR. Two of the injured an ACL (Mendenhall and Batch) which has been shown to be a six month injury and shown that it usually takes a year for the player to get back into form. The other (Dwyer) has shown e does not take his job seriously coming into training camp twice over weight.
Of the two healthy one Redman is a solid back but Clay didn’t even get activated until week 15. So in my opinion we are “set” with a starter who has one year left and a serious knee injury and may not be back by the start of training camp, a backup who is solid but not great, and one of their back ups who are either coming off injury or unproven former PS player. What happens in week 1 if Mendy isn’t playing and Redman gets injured?
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The same thing that happened
if Ben gets hurt week 1 and Leftwich isn’t ready.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 1, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Leftwich broke his non-throwing arm
He will be ready it not the same as an ACL injury for a RB.
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Thats not the point
the point is you can play the what if game as much as you want, it won’t get you anywhere and its not a great draft strategy.
Virtually anything could happen so you draft according to what you know and what you expect.
We expect Mendenhall to be healthy and if he isn’t ready game 1, then we expect redman/dwyer/clay/moore or batch to handle the load until he returns.
There is no need to draft a RB period that high. Its putting the horse before the cart, I’d rather get an ILB there if there is no Guards or no tackles worthy of a second round pick, heck I’d go DE before I’d go RB.
Which its hard to believe that all the tackles and all the guards and all the centers that are worthy of a second round grade will be gone by th 24th pick in the second round.
Just saying. :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 1, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Isaiah Pead
I like the RB from Cincy Isaiah Pead. He showed he has some ST moves as well & could be a future star in the NFL. This is kid electric & small, strong like RayRice. If he’s on the board when we pick anytime after the 2nd rd. WE CAN’T MISS ON HIM
good pick. not until rd 4 though.
he hasnt shown me enough to be sure that he could be anything more than a change of pace/3rd down RB, though he could succeed in that role quite well.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 1, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Which its hard to believe that all the tackles and all the guards and all the centers that are worthy of a second round grade will be gone by th 24th pick in the second round.
Well lets see here are the OT I think can possibly be second round guys,
Mike Adams- He will go in the very top of the second if not the first depends on where his character issues leave him. perfect fit for Steelers mold of an OT.
Zebrie Sanders- will probably go in the top 15 of the 2nd round to a team that needs an OT but couldn’t get one of the top guys. Doesn’t fit Steelers mold of an OT.
Bobby Massie- Will be there, he fits the Steelers mold of an OT I have to look more into him before I can say.
Nate Potter- could go in the last pick of the second round but doesn’t fit Steelers mold for an OT.
Now lets look at the guards in the second round,
Kelechi Osemele- There are talks of him going in the first, will more or likely go in Top 15 of the second
Brandon Washington- Will probably go in the top 20 of the second round.
Kevin Zeilter- Will be in the Steelers range but it is possible he could be gone his stock has been going up.
Alimini Silatolu- Might go in the very late first but more likely the top of the third.
Now lets look at centers-
Ben Jones- he could be there but based on the tape I have seen he will not translate well to guard.
So that is
9 OL total and only 6 that fit Kevin Colbert’s draft style.
Then you have to look at who is picking before us
Colt- have needs at center guard and tackle that they didn’t fill with their first pick.
Rams- have need at both guard and tackle, but could fill one of those and will probably not fill the other in round 2
Vikings- have needs at tackle, guard and possible upgrade center. Could get one fixed in the first but if not they will go here.
Browns- need a guard for their RG.
Buccaneers- have need at both guard and tackle
Raiders-need a guard
Titans-need a guard
Bengals-need a guard
Falcons-need a guard
So there four guard prospects 2nd round worthy and 9 teams that need a guard before us. There are even more that need a tackle. This includes 3 that need a guard badly just before us.
How is it implausible that neither a guard nor tackle prospect is there?
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So say Colts take Zebrie Sanders
Rams- then take Osemele
Vikings-don’t take a OL cause they did in the 1st
Browns- don’t take one
Buccaneers- don’t take one
Raider- don’t take one
Titans- take Konz in the first so none in the second
Bengals- Take Washington
Falcons- take Zeilter cause he fits there offense.
Steelers- either take BPA or reach on Silatolu a division II prospect who didn’t play in the senior bowl so all the tape is against inferior competition,
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Very implausible
since your assumption is that every time that needs a guard will take a guard. Several of those teams you listed need a guard but are not in dire need of a guard and have needs that will come before that. I know none of us know how the draft will go. I’m just saying I’d be super pissed if all the guards were taken and we didn’t take one in the first round, I’d just stop watchin the draft because it would be pointless.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
also
Rams probably won’t take Osemele since many has them taking a T in the first round.
Osemele is going to get pushed down in the second round because there is no way he is playing tackle in the NFL, they tried him out at the Senior bowl and he was terrible at it, especially against speed rushers. His stock just took a huge drop. Him or Zeilter will probably be there at 2.24
But I also don’t think we’re going to spend another first round pick on the defensive line when we have already spend 2 first rounders there in the last 5 years and he will only be a two down player. Makes more since to take a ILB there or trade down. I would probably try to trade down and get 3 picks in the second round. That way you get quality guys all at a position of need. That’s my thinking though.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Virtually anything could happen so you draft according to what you know and what you expect./blockquote>
what we know is that Mendenhall suffered an ACL tear. a potentially career threatening injury for RBs (and most football players in fact). what we dont know is that he’ll be healthy by the time we need him to be. RB is a big need, much bigger than DE or OT.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 1, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
career ending?
for a 25 y/o back? Name one.
Players come back from acl tears all the time. If you think RB is a bigger need than DE or OT then there is no need to continue this conversation.
Mendenhall situation is not as dire as some are making it out to be. ACL tear is a 6 month injury. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t back first day of camp.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 1, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I usually like
putting the horse before the cart… just joking with you, but I’d have no problem with a speedy RB in round 5 or lower if they can secure our top priorities of G/T/NT/LB
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can’t believe I actually messed that one up
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I heard he was throwing fine around mid season.
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by John Stephens on Feb 1, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Poe. 6’5" seems way too tall for a NT. Haven’t seen him play but if he’s all that, then would be a good pick.
RB in 2nd? I’d be disappointed with the pick, we have to many other needs. “Redman is not a feature back”…I disagree…not even sure what the therm “featured” means…but i do know when given the opportunity the guy produces…can you tell i’m a big redman fan? I love the guy and think he can be special. We may need RB depth but not in the 2nd.
Zeurlein? I recently heard of this guy…sounds intriguing…big leg. If he is that good would we be justified in picking him sooner? Would be nice to know if we need a FG to win a game a 50+ yarder is well within range
As always, I love to talk draft stuff…but…in the end I trust the FO to make the right call. I also feel the same way about the OC position…Haley or no-Haley…I trust the FO
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Poe. 6’5" seems way too tall for a NT. Haven’t seen him play but if he’s all that, then would be a good pick.
Yes it doesn’t fit the Steelers style of NT of 6’3" or under (i.e. Casey Hampton)
But there have been a fairly good amount NT that are tall. Some very good. Here are some; Haloti Ngata of the Ravens 6’4"350lbs, Kris Jenkins of the Jets 6’5" 360lbs, Kendrick Ellis of the Jets 6’5" 346lbs (Despite legal troubles played well against the run), Jay Ratliff 6’4 like 300lbs, Paul Soliai 6’4" 355lbs, Shaun Rodgers 6’4" 350lbs, Terrance Cody 6’4" 360lbs, David Carter 6’5" 305lbs and Shaun Cody 6’4" 300lbs.
The great ones being Ngata, Jenkins (when healthy), Soliai and Rodgers. The effective ones are Ratliff and Cody. The unknown is David Carter and Kendrick Ellis both rookies last year.
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I just prefer guys with built in leverage ie James Harrison, Ray Rice, hampton etc But if Poe can play and is a beast then he maybe worth #24
by SteelerMike on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
this is a pretty great draft and i wouldnt be upset at all if this happened
I’ve been campaigning for Poe for a few weeks now, glad some people are starting to take notice.
as for the 2nd round RB, im not sold on it. if its clearly BPA then whatever but id like to get someone like Kevin Zeitler instead and take a mid round RB who is a real threat on 3rd downs. having a pass catching RB would give us some depth while adding a different facet to our RB group. i dont know much about Doug Martin but from your description (can’t block) he wouldnt be a good fit and he sounds more like a second Mendenhall since he’s good at everything but not particularly great at anything.
anyway, i like this draft a lot, though I’d be willing to take Zuerlein in the 6th to make sure we dont miss on him.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 PM EST reply actions
Yeah I had Zeitler in the 2nd
Earlier but I am right now trying to hit a lot of possibilities. Make things more interesting. I recently have been taking Poe because the lack of depth at NT in both the draft and the roster and it might be a risk to wait for Ta’amu who I do like the more tape I have watched of him.
As far as Martin yeah he can’t block but he is quicker then Mendenhell runs behind his pads instead of trying that ridiculous spin move that works only like 25% of the time.
On Zuerlein. He had a serious hip problem that caused him to redshirt in 2010 so that’s why I think his draft stock dropped but I’d take him in the 6th if he passed all the medical tests.
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having him make it through 2011 without problems is encouraging
i think he’d definitely be worth a 6th round pick, and if he gets injured again Suisham is a good backup plan.
oh. and DONT knock the spin move. i want him to spin 3 times every play if he can.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 1, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if there is a NT worthy of a 1st round grade
I haven’t heard a lot of great things about Poe from scouting sites, just that he was good at times. When you are that big and talented, you should dominate a conference like C-USA. He may end up being just a workout warrior. I would rather have Ta’amu in the 2nd or 3rd round and spend the 1st rounder on a very good player that slips down because of teams overvaluing certain positions.
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Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
Poe had nothing around him
Memphis was just beyond bad this year, they may’ve gone .500 in I-AA.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 1, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
There are tons of players that are in the same situation every year
Just because your team is bad, doesn’t mean you cant ball out. I haven’t heard anything about him being a dominant player at all.
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Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
How many of them are on the defensive line
where the offense can just focus on taking them out of the game.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Very nice mock
The funny part is I actually disagree with your priorities, but I can’t argue with the value of your picks. Almost all of these players are bringing serious physical talent to the table.
by StarSpangledSteeler on Feb 1, 2012 4:13 AM EST reply actions
I almost stopped reading after you had us taking Doug Martin in the second round, but I’m glad I didn’t. It’s not that I don’t think Doug Martin is good, but the position of RB in the NFL is so dependant on having a line, that you can get good production from that position SOOOOO much later in the draft: Arian Foster, Jamal Charles, Priest Holmes, Terell Davis were ALL undrafted as is our current #1 Redzone Redman (who had a DAMN good game against Denver)….RB is one position where we don’t need to take anybody.
As for the others: Love the Poe pick, same with Brooks, but I would go with a guard in the second round, and I love Derek Wolfe. With some coaching, he could be the heir to Brett Kiesel in a couple years, if not, I think he’s at least a solid rotational RE/LE
Glad you actually read...
I assume most people just look at the guys and not the rationale. See below on the response to John Stephens, why I took Martin and not a guard in the second.
(Not that it matters but Jamal Charles was a third round pick by Kansas City, Terrell Davis was a sixth by the Broncos)
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Best draft I've seen on BtSC This Year
Well reasoned, thoughtful, addresses the needs of the team….very well done.
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Great draft
I’m not a fan of a RB in the 2nd, but that is mostly because I think a 4th-round talent can do great things behind a great O. In any event, Jim Wexell is reporting that we signed Myron Rolle. How does that impact your 6th pick above?
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Good Question...
I’d probably take Dwight Bentley CB La-Lafayette. He has a small frame in 5’10" 176lbs but at the Senior Bowl he played very well in both the game and practice. Showcased good anticipation and instincts. He shown he could play both man and zone. he is best at playing off man or zone coverage. He’ll need to work on his technique but he has high 4.4 speed and a chip on his shoulder. And the last CB we took from La-Lafayette is a pretty good one in my opinion.
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I might have to again bet the consumption of a Terrible Towel
That we won’t draft a RB that early. It’s completely unnecessary IMO and I would be pissed if we did. Sure, Mendenhall might not be up to speed right away, but I think we have a fine stable behind him with Redman, Dwyer, Batch, and Clay. That’s far better than what we had when Willie went down (in his late 20s mind you).
Drafting a RB means nothing if we don’t improve our interior OL immediately. Brooks is a start, but I’m nervous about bringing in someone from a small school when we need an instant starter.
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I'll answer this once...(On Doug Martin pick)
In my mindset for this draft I had DeCastro and Konz going before our pick in the first. I think Glenn is going to be drafted as a RT. In the second I was in the mind set that Washington, Osemele and Zeilter went before our pick.
If this is so the Steelers wouldn’t reach on another guard they would go BPA. At that point in the draft BPA would probably be Doug Martin, or Markelle Martin. Since I had Martin in an eaarlier mock so I wanted something different this time.
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Fair enough
That seems like pretty much worse case scenario. I’m not as studied in 2nd round picks as I am first rounders, but I just think a RB pick would be a waste with the depth we have.
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by John Stephens on Feb 1, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I read somewhere that an average RBs NFL career was 2.5 years, and average OL was 8 years. If that is true, obviously the OL is much better value.
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In most of the mocks that I’ve seen, Zeitler should be there in the second round, same with Washington, but I agree with the premise that you never know what’s gonna happen. Should they both be gone, I absolutely agree that the FO will go with BPA. But they almost never go with BPA unless it’s a position of need. I just don’t see RB as a position of need. Dwyer is overweight, sure, but Clay filled in admirably, Redman’s got the talent to be a featured back and Batch looked GREAT in training camp before his injury….if we went with Markelle Martin in the second round however, I would be juuuuuuust fine with that
why not address a position of need there though
How about Audie Cole ILB?
by Steely McSmash on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I do not like Audie Cole and i don’t think he is a second round pick more like a third. That might be why…or I did it to piss everyone off.
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and I wouldn’t pick audie cole for this defense.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt be surprised, especially if a good player is available in the 3rd-4th rounds
But 2nd may be a bit early for a running back. But if it is like a 1st round graded player, then hell yeah make that pick
I’m not 100% sold on Mendy, even before injury, Redman is a #2, and the guys behind are completely unproven. I’d be happy with a bit more insurance
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by Michael Hewitt on Feb 2, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’m less concerned about Mendy than I am about our inconsistent blocking up the middle. Mendy gets a ton of carries for a loss and that usually has more to do with the OL than the RB.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I've always thought.
People are always whining about his spin move but he has to do something when there are no holes and guys are in the backfield so quick.
Question ~
In regards to the draft and the salary cap.
Who would you like to see get drafted as there will be many players either let go or some major contracts need to get reworked. I’ve looked at the BBN site and they are in a really tight spot also, which could be a difference maker in the division for 2012.
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On Martin
Probably get him in the 3rd. I understand the injuries and lack of proven talent (except for REDMAN of course). Give me Chris Polk in the 2nd round if you are going to take a RB.
Like the Wolfe pick in the 5th and would pick the kicker(Zuerlein) in the sixth.
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Picks don't fit the Steelers
I don’t like Dontari Poe @ 24, or any other NT for that matter. Considering the NT will only play between 30-40% of the plays in a game he would have less value than a 3rd corner. Even if Poe has some pass rush ability he is not be in on passing downs considering his size and better choices with 3 starter quality DEs. I do agree that Hampton will be cut and then the Steelers will try to resign him. One arguement in favor of a NT would be to improve the run D, the only problem is the D was not great with Hampton so what would Poe bring that would be an improvement. I believe the need is to improve at ILB and Donta Hightower would be a better pick. He has experience in a 3-4, and he can pass rush he seems a better fit for the Steelers. At NT if you need a big body you can take Baptiste or Fangupo in the 5th.
Recent changes on offense have changed the game, it is better to have an explosive offense that puts up points and a defense that gets after the QB. Once you have enough of a lead you have forced the other team to become one dimensional without needing to stop the run. If Hightower is not available a trade down would work well, the Eagles are a great choice, they have few holes and a ton of draft picks. They need make a big splash via the draft or FA because confidence in the team and HC is at an 10 year low. If the Steelers trade picks 24 and 88, they could get 46, 51 and 114. A second round pick on a RB would be sending the message that the Steelers are moving on from Mendenhall and Redman. I don’t think they want to do that, although I have heard Martin’s stock is rising. I also agree line help is a larger priority. Wolfe would be too much of a luxury pick in the 5th. I am confident the Steelers will draft a tall WR or a pass catching TE. Zuerlein sounds almost too good for the 7th. He is not hidden from other teams who will also place value on that strong leg. I agree with taking him in the 6th if available.
Love the reply let me clarify some things
The first is Poe is stronger and quicker than Hampton. Not to mention younger.
Jean-Baptiste is possible the worst NT prospect I have seen this year and does not warrant a 5th round pick. Fangupo is too raw to contribute for a majority of this year though I like him as a prospect.
Hightower is a two down LB who isn’t that great at covering the pass.
Zuelein had a hip injury so he could drop to the 7th though once medically cleared might not.
Then this
They need make a big splash via the draft or FA because confidence in the team and HC is at an 10 year low.
Is not true, they went 12-4 and made the playoffs.Untimely injuries helped them leave early in the playoffs. No one I have heard of is doubting Mike Tomlins coaching and morale can’t be any lower than it was in 2003.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 3, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure where you've been since last April...
…but there’s been nothing on this site to indicate confidence in the team or HC is at any type of low. Questions, concerns, yes; but 100% confidence the Steeler organization knows what its doing, and will do things its way, the 6x Super Bowl champion’s way.
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