Back in the Saddle Again: The Steelers Head to the Post-Season
In Michael's preview of the Wild Card round he expressed great confidence that the Steelers would defeat the Broncos handily. He then said:
Hopefully that confidence rests only in our minds, and not in those of the players and coaches. Considering how many experienced veterans there are on the squad that want nothing more than a chance to win another Super Bowl as their careers wind down, I don't think that will be a problem.
One of the constant comments made by the talking heads at the beginning of this season was the veteran nature of this team and how their experience was going to benefit them. Then after the Game of Shame (Steelers @ Baltimore) the talking heads famously turned on the squad, declaring them "old, slow, and done," to quote one of the more pompous among their number.
In retrospect we know that the veteran nature of the team wasn't an advantage, but neither were the Steelers "done." In fact, to use a Tomlinism, "it is what it is." This team has its own distinctive character, although so many of the players are the same as the previous Super Bowl team.
But not only are many of the players the same from 2010's title run, but it turns out that a substantial number of both the 2008 and 2005 teams are still on the roster. An astonishing one third of the 2005 Super Bowl team are on the present roster:
QBs, Receivers:
Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch
Offensive Line:
Chris Kemoeatu, Trai Essex, Max Starks
Linebackers/Defensive Ends:
James Farrior, Larry Foote, James Harrison
Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, Aaron Smith [IR], Chris Hoke [IR]
Defensive Backs:
Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden, Troy Polamalu
Special Teams:
[Note: I'm including players on IR because in the case of the veterans they continue to provide mentoring and veteran experience to the players who have taken over for them, and I think that is worth a good deal.]
Every single category of player except RB, that most ephemeral of positions in the NFL, is represented on the current team.
Here are the players that were on the Super Bowl roster in 2008, in addition to the players above:
QBs:
Dennis Dixon, Byron Leftwich [on IR]
RBs:
Mewelde Moore, Rashard Mendenhall [who is about to go on IR]
Offensive Line:
Willie Colon [on IR]
Linebackers:
LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons
William Gay, Ryan Clark, Anthony Madison [about to be re-signed]
Special Teams:
Daniel Sepulveda [on IR]
The players that played on the 2010 team, in addition to the above, are:
Wide Receivers/TEs:
Arnaz Battle, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders
David Johnson
RBs:
Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer (on IR)
Offensive Line:
Ramon Foster, Maurkice Pouncey, Jonathan Scott
Linebackers/DEs:
Stevenson Sylvester, Jason Worilds,
Defensive Backs:
Will Allen, Keenan Lewis, Ryan Mundy
Special Teams:
In short, these are the only players that have not been on a Super Bowl team prior to this year:
Wide Receivers/TEs:
Jerricho Cotchery (from Jets)
RBs:
Offensive Line:
Marcus Gilbert, Jamon Meredith
Linebackers/DEs:
Chris Carter, Mortty Ivy
Defensive Backs:
Cortez Allen, Damon Cromartie-Smith (Cromartie-Smith was on the roster for part of 2010 but wasn't active during the playoffs, IIRC)
Most of these players are rookies, many of whom have seen significant playing time this season. (Marcus Gilbert is the only rookie to start from Week 1.) The remainder are recent signings. Jerricho Cotchery is, of course, a signing from the Jets with considerable experience, including playoffs. (The Steelers saw to it that he didn't make it to the Super Bowl...)
I thought it would be interesting to see how many games of playoff experience are represented on this current team. It was just as impressive as you would think. Here are the number of playoff games the veterans have been in:
15 or more games:
James Farrior: 1997-2001 Jets: 1-2; 2002-2010 Steelers: 11-4
Charlie Batch: 1999 Detroit Lions, 0-1 2003-2010 Steelers: 10-3
Will Allen: Tampa Bay 2004-2009, 0-2; 2010 Steelers, 3 playoff games, 2-1
Jerricho Cotchery: 2004,06,09,10 Jets: 5-4
Dennis Dixon: 5-1
William Gay, Anthony Madison, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley: 5-2
Mewelde Moore: 2004 Vikings, 1-1; 2008-2010 Steelers, 5-1
Less than 5 games:
Arnaz Battle, Antonio Brown, Ramon Foster, Ziggy Hood, David Johnson, Doug Legursky, Keenan Lewis, Steve McLendon, Ryan Mundy, Maurkice Pouncey, Isaac Redman, Emmanuel Sanders, Jonathan Scott, Stevenson Sylvester, Mike Wallace, Jason Worilds: 2-1
Jeremy Kapinos: 2009 Packers, 0-1; 2010 Steelers, 2-1
Shaun Suisham: 2007 Redskins, 0-1; 2010 Steelers, 2-1
This gives us a total figure of 340 playoff games (which excludes the games played by the vets on IR such as Aaron Smith and Willie Colon.) Of those 340 playoff games, the total win-loss figure is 244-96. (That figure is pulled down a bit by players who spent part of their career on other teams. In no case did a player signed from another team have more wins in the playoffs than they would have on the Steelers during the same time.)
These are pretty awesome figures, but most of us on BTSC are well aware that experience and veteran leadership only takes a team so far. And veterans can have a distinct downside, at least when they are as veteran as some of the players from the 2005 team. James Farrior had already been in the league for nine years in 2005, and Hines Ward had been in the league for eight. In a position that requires a certain amount of speed, being very definitely on the wrong side of 30 isn't going to be an advantage.
But one of the heartening things this season has been seeing young players stepping up to fill the shoes of injured players. In some cases those injured players will, at least in theory, be back, and the experience that the backup has gotten will be invaluable in allowing the coaches to sub players in and out as makes sense. Jason Worilds playing for an injured LaMarr Woodley is one of the cases that may well pay big dividends during the postseason.
Unfortunately, now some of those rookies are injured and may not be back. The question is who is going to step forward and make their presence felt? If no one can, this team may not make it far into the playoffs. And if they make it to the Super Bowl, veteran leadership and character may not be enough to secure the seventh Lombardi. But it's exciting to see what they can do, and to see what is probably the final hurrah for some storied players that will be remembered with the great players in the Steelers pantheon. Win or lose, it's a great time to be a Steelers fan!
To be continued - I'm working now on comparing stats for key individual players from both teams. It is absolutely fascinating to me that two teams separated by only a year and comprised of so many of the same players can have turned out to have such a different "look," and I'm hoping that looking at some of the key individuals will tell us more about what was so very different.
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Great Post
Really emphisizes the importants of senority on a team. Which lucky for us, we have plenty of.
Very Interesting Momma, very interesting indeed.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
awesome post
This Steelers team has an incredible amount of experience, hopefully that means something this year in the playoffs. Especially players from the 2005 team, they know what it takes to take the long, tough, treacherous, wild card road to the superbowl.
There are entirely too many “on IRs” in this post, unfortunately.
Wisdom and experience
Two of my favourites.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 4, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions
Great job, Momma....
Experience and team cohesiveness have helped the Steelers through many rough patches this season. And playoff experience is always a plus when you are going up against essentially a rookie QB.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Absolutely
While a lot of the vets are clearly through/past their prime, they still bring a lot that is incredibly valuable for big games, leadership, etc.
I don’t see Farrior playing for the team past this year, but his steady experience is important. I think the Broncos are going to find themselves in hard place for their playoff opener, and they don’t have the leadership or experience to get themselves out of it.
Tebow throws two picks, gets stripped, Pittsburgh wins decisively. And that’s your weekend weather.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Great post.
Do you know if any Bronco players have any playoff experience or Super Bowl rings? McGahee, perhaps? Experience is great, but would you agree that nothing beats playoff and Super Bowl experience?
"The standard is the standard." Mike Tomlin
The standard for Steeler football is #58. Me
One of the most telling factoids of your piece...
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In no case did a player signed from another team have more wins in the playoffs than they would have on the Steelers during the same time.),
and it is this point that causes me to believe Cotchery will accept any reasonable offer the Steelers make him; he is one of the few, the fortunate few, who get a chance to become a Steeler without being drafted. Farriror came, and never left, Foote came back, BMac, while traded back was probably quietly relieved to be absolved of his mistake. We think it, and say it so often, that it has become less impactful, but its true: The Steelers organization is the envy of the league.
This is an incredibly experienced and talented team. While not as dominant as the first Steeler Dynasty, it is impossible to argue that we are not in the midst of another dynastic team in the making. One more Lombardi for this group and history will be written.
Excellent post Ms. Rollett, and thank you for it.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
speaking of Cotchery...
after reading all of the nonsense going on with the Jets team/locker room/soap opera drama, I am glad to be a Steeler fan (with our ownership, leadership, coaching, players, fans, core values, etc). Imagine Cotchery will be asked by the press about it, and won’t be surprised if his answer is along the lines of “their locker room is irrelevant to me. I’m a Steeler”
by BoiseSteeler on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
"It is what it is" is a Tomlinism?
Can’t wait to watch this game.
It is what it is
I couldn't say, really,
other than Tomlin says it a lot, or at least did last season. I’ve heard lots of people use it, including, amusingly, Ben…
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 5, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
Fantastic post
Very informative and interesting information. Thanks for taking the time to put together such a great (as always) post. Enjoyed it very much.
"I don't want to see anyone injured, but I'm not opposed to hurting anyone" - James Harrison
by LifelongSteelerFanInVa on Jan 5, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions
Thanks!
I’m currently in France, trying to fit in my NFL coverage between figuring out how to work the cranky oven in my apartment and the mountains of work I brought with me, but I’ll do my best!
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Enjoy France!
Great poast. I’m expecting the team to look a lot different next season than it did in September, but the veteran presence is going to be crucial for the playoffs, especially when missing guys like Smith, Clark, etc.
If Woodley is healthy, he and Harrison can wreak enough havoc to allow the Steelers to play with anyone.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 5, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions

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