A deep look at Mike Tomlin's first 5 years
Good morning fellow BTSCers. I know we're all hurting today, grab a coffee and sit down. Let's be rational, let's be reasonable. We have a valid reason to be upset, and I'm sure you're all suffering as much as I am.
Losing makes people angry and causes them to start claiming ridiculous things. Things like we should fire Ike Taylor. He had an awful game to be sure, but he isn't the reason we lost. Anyway, this isn't about Taylor. I personally feel it's a good time to examine Mike Tomlin. I always feel that the head coach has to come under scrutiny for a major loss, especially one that in all honesty should not have happened. But this isn't about any one game in particular. Rather, after 5 seasons, I feel it's a good opportunity to look at Tomlin's body of work.
Content added on Jan 10th, simply to expound a bit on our win/loss record against playoff teams. Thanks everyone for the bevy of conversation below.
This is pretty long as I summize each season, but if you want to skip down to my overall review, its down at the bottom.
Tomlin took over after the roughshod 2006 season, which was marred by Ben's motorcycle/appendix problems to start the year. Ben never seemed right that year after all that, and we ended up a rather uninspired 8-8. Cowher retired, and Tomlin took over.
We're going to look at this a líttle bit season by season, followed by some overall analysis.
2007
Draft Picks: Lawrence Timmons, Lamarr Woodley, Matt Spaeth, Daniel Sepulveda, Ryan McBean, Cameron Stephenson, William Gay, Dallas Baker
Record: 10-6
Key Wins: Swept Cincinnati, Swept Browns (who were also 10-6, giving us the AFC North), Monday Night beating of Baltimore 38-7.
Losses: Lost to the Pats, Jags, Ravens, Cardinals, Broncos, Jets.
Playoffs: Won the AFC North. Qualified as the 4th seed. Lost to Jacksonville in the opening round.
Tomlin's first year could be considered a success, as most first year coaches rarely do anything great. Coming off the 8-8 year, it was certainly an improvement. The draft gave us two stud linebackers who have developed into Pro Bowl caliber players, but the rest of the draft has been ok at best. Spaeth and Sepulveda were strange positions to draft so high, and only William Gay remains on the team. I feel he was a good pick given his position in the draft (6th round).
In the division the Steelers played very well, which is crucial. Tomlin clearly had his team ready to play against the important opponents. Sweeping the upstart Browns was very important, had we not done so we wouldn't have even made the playoffs. It's important to note that this year the Jags traveled to our stadium despite having a better record, much as we just had to against Denver.
But losses to very good teams cast a shadow of doubt over this season. To top it all off, Tomlin's insistence on 'using FWP until the wheels come off' proved to be a poor decision. Parker blew his leg out in week 16 and was never the same again. Left with a shaky O-line, and Najeh Davenport at RB, we were in no shape to win in the playoffs.
Despite having played the Jags at home once in the season, which was a loss, we couldn't beat them in the postseason.
The Playoff game was marred by questionable 2 point conversion calls. In both cases, per the point differential, it made sense to do so. But the typical rule of thumb is that you shouldnt do it until you absolutely have to. it seemed Tomlin didn't bank on us getting TWO TDs in the 4th quarter of the Wild Card game to win. 14 points would have given us a 3 point advantage. Instead, 12 points with two failed 2 point conversions gave us only a one point edge. The second 2 point conversion attempt was needed due to failing the first one.
A game winning FG by Scobee would put us down in a way that was tough to swallow.
Still, for a first year coach the season was admirable, but it certainly felt that we lost to lesser competition. The Jags were knocked out the very next week, yet at the same time I think we would have been too without a running game.
2008
Draft Picks: Rashard Mendenhall, Limas Sweed, Bruce Davis, Tony Hills, Dennis Dixon, Mike Humpal, Ryan Mundy, Thomas McAllister
Record: 12-4
Key Wins: Swept the entire division. Beat the Patriots (albeit without Brady), Cowboys, Jags, Chargers,
Losses: Eagles, Giants, Colts, Titans
Playoffs: Won the AFC North. Got the 2 seed as a result of losing to the Titans. Beat the Chargers, Ravens, and finally Cardinals in the Super Bowl. Our 6th title was claimed in this season.
Year two of Tomlin's tenure will probably be seen as one of the best seasons in Steelers History. The defense was one of the best ever seen, as 2007 draft picks emerged in their second year. The Steelers dominated their division and beat the Ravens 3 times, which is always nice. Losses to the Colts and Titans are excusable, and the other two losses were out of conference causing minimal damage to our playoff seeding. Considering we had the hardest schedule in the NFL in about 30 years, playing almost all the playoff teams from the year before, we did quite well.
Rashard Mendenhall made little to no impact on this season, as he was knocked out early by Ray Lewis. Parker carried the load but big performances by Mewelde Moore in the middle of the year really bailed us out. The team looked unsettled early in the season. The loss to the Eagles had many people up in arms. It was clear our O-line was going to be a mess all year. Ben adapted, and the offense hit a great stride and our D gave us plenty of room for error.
This was an absolutely excellent season, but it's worth pointing out that most of the key players on the roster had been on the 2005 championship team as well. Our pass defense improved with Willie Gay in the nickel slot, but our O-line suffered as players from the 2005 squad disappeared one by one. And they were never properly replaced. Only Starks remained, and he was playing on the opposite side.
This O-line problem is just finally being given some attention, as the 2010/2011 drafts addressed it. But you can't help but feel it should have been addressed earlier. Still, when you're winning you can overlook some of your flaws.
A good year by Tomlin with really no disappointments, and a championship.
2009
Draft Picks: Ziggy Hood, Kraig Urbik, Mike Wallace, Keenan Lewis, Joe Burnett, Frank Summers, Rashon Harris, A.Q. Shipley, David Johnson
Record: 9-7
Key Wins: Titans in the opener, Chargers (we own them), Packers and Ravens late in the season
Losses: Bears and Bengals back to back in the first 3 weeks, followed by an ugly 5 game losing streak in the middle of the year to the Bengals, Chiefs (OT), Ravens (OT), Raiders, Browns
Playoffs: Did not qualify, needed a miracle on the last day of the season, and we didn't get in.
This was a frustrating year for most of us. A year where we returned almost everybody from the championship team. The hardest part to swallow in this season was the seemingly inferior play with inferior opponents. Our schedule was markedly easier this year compared to 2008. But the biggest difference in this year was the poor quality of division play. Losing twice to the Bengals, once to the Ravens and the Browns gave us a 2-4 division record, one year after sweeping them all. Both the Bengals and Ravens made the playoffs, but the Ravens got in with the same record as us only because they had one more division win.
An area that seemed to be a focal point in Tomlin's first two years faltered badly in 2009. Another problem was losing back to back games on several occasions. Looking at 2008 we never lost back to back games, and in 2009 all of our losses had another one next to it. A pair in weeks 2-3, followed by the 5 game losing streak from weeks 10-14.
The team was fundamentally the same, yet the focus was not there. Perhaps complacency was a problem, or something wrong with the motivation. To me, Tomlin seemed to be a good motivator and this season was bizarre.
I can say though that Tomlin seems to have learned from this season: We have not lost to a team with a losing record since our last loss of this 2009 season. The Super Bowl Hangover remains a mystery that can't be fully explained. It hit us again and we had no answer for it.
I viewed this season as a real challenge for Tomlin prior to its start. Could he keep the team focused on repeating? Could he reduce distractions and deal with the fact that every team would be out to get them? Apparently not in this year. Losing to horrible teams in the middle of the year was disgraceful and it seemed that each loss got worse than the last. All were winnable and the team just melted down further and further.
To their credit, they won the last three games against high level competition and were still in contention for the 6th seed. But we couldn't get there.
2010
Draft Picks: Maurkice Pouncey, Jason Worilds, Emmanuel Sanders, Thaddeus Gibson, Chris Scott, Crezdon Butler, Stevenson Sylvester, Jonathan Dwyer, Antonio Brown, Doug Worthington. (Mcfadden and Leftwich were re-acquired via draft trades)
Record: 12-4
Key Wins: Falcons and Titans early in the season, @Ravens to win the division later.
Losses: Baltimore, New Orleans, New England, Jets
Playoffs: Made it as the #2 seed, beat the Ravens and Jets at Heinz field and lost to the Packers in the Super Bowl.
2010 was another good season. We all remember how tough it started out with Ben receiving a ridiculous 4 game suspension. Tomlin got the boys together and using Dixon and Batch, got us to 3-1 to start the year. That was crucial. Ben came back, and basically kept that .750 percentage alive. Ben had a very solid year despite only playing 3/4 of it. Ball security improved greatly, and we won all our games against weaker teams.
Several of our draft picks made an immediate impact and are clearly going to be major players in the future. Pouncey and Brown are already pro-bowl selections and the LBs drafted look to be future starters. We lost Gibson due to simply having too many awesome LBs, which was a shame. But this was an excellent draft class by far.
This season was remarkably like 2008 in terms of record, and the style of wins. Several come from behind wins, complimented by a defense that suffocated nearly as much as it did in 2008. However, Polamalu was injured a lot and the pass defense suffered against upper echelon teams. What looked like random breakdowns in coverage became much more common against QBs that knew how to exploit our aggressive scheme. The Pats and Ravens beat us by throwing. The Jets and Saints games were more of our offense stumbling and looking inept.
The O-line hurt us in both the Super Bowl and Jets games, leading to safeties and turnovers by not being able to protect The Ben. Ben also added to his long injury list with hand and foot problems all year.
In the end, the Steelers fell short against a superior opponent in the Super Bowl, but played damn hard to get there. Unfortunately mistakes plagued the team on offense and defense, and they could never overcome them.
Tomlin made up for the 2009 fiasco by handling all the weak teams we played. Our losses were only to playoff bound teams, which is admirable. However this year Tomlin didn't have a weak team like the Cardinals to feast on in the Super Bowl and got outplayed. The team didn't look strong going into the Super Bowl, playing just one complete half in each AFC playoff game. Injuries mounted on this team, but of course that's no excuse as the Packers suffered the same thing and won.
A successful season, but one where a championship felt within reach. We couldn't get our hands on it and seize the moment in the game when we could have won.
2011
Draft Picks: Cameron Heyward, Marcus Gilbert, Curtis Brown, Cortez Allen, Chris Carter, Keith Williams, Baron Batch.
Record: 12-4
Key Wins: Patriots, swept Bengals and Browns
Losses: Ravens twice, Texans, 49ers
Playoffs: Qualified as the 5th seed, Baltimore won the division with their sweep. Knocked out in the Wild Card round by Tim Tebow's Broncos.
2011 was another frustrating year that felt like it could have been so much better. Injury ravaged this team from day one, and it certainly was apparent in the latter half of the season. The draft picks were forced into action early, but this might be good for our future. Gilbert played well enough for a rookie at RT. Heyward showed a motor and was able to play nearly 75% of the Broncos game without stopping, which at high altitude is insane. The CBs drafted look solid and both played a lot of ST and Allen made some plays on D. Of course it's too early to call the draft a success or bust, but it looks good so far.
This season was very similar to 2010, except this year we were hurt even more than last year. The defense improved greatly, but the Offense didn't take the steps forward that it was expected to. Again, the O-line was in a constant shuffle. When we brought Starks back it got better, but Pouncey went out late in the year and that cost us dearly.
I look back at this year, and I feel only slightly satisfied. After losing the SB last year I was really proud of the team for making it that far. But I felt this year we'd get back there. We just couldn't do it.
Tomlin, again, didn't allow 2009 to repeat itself. We didn't lose to any lesser opponents yet again. Problem is, we couldn't beat anybody that was very good either. Aside from the Pats game, which was a flawless performance, we lost twice to the Ravens, and on opening day in Heinz field at that. Our first opener loss there. Losing to the Texans and 49ers isn't something to be ashamed of, but you'd like to be thought of as a team that can topple the higher level competition.
The way the end of the season was managed was in my opinion a disaster. Ben gets injured against the Browns, and is forced into action against the 49ers. While you can argue he was needed for this game, he clearly wasn't himself. And Tomlin left him in the game despite being down 3 scores. Tomlin HAS to start pulling his key players from games that cannot be won. After that, we had a short week and Ben didn't play. We dominated anyway. The season finale had us praying for a 2nd seed, but it was not very likely. Tomlin decided to throw all his best players back in there anyway, and got Mendenhall's ACL blown out, and possibly aggravated Ben's ankle. Not to mention Pouncey was hurt.
To me this is bad management. You have two choices: Take the 'bye' now against Cleveland and hope you win. Or fight for a 'maybe bye' (which never came). Why not just give your players the guaranteed rest right then and there? I suppose Tomlin was afraid to be anything less than a 2 seed, where he has had success.
It cost us dearly, we were gravely injured going into the Broncos game. Ben played ok, but missed several throws he'd normally make. No Pouncey led to a crucial high snap fumble that took a probable 3 points off the board. 3 points would have won the game in regulation. Otherwise I think the team played a good game against Denver, but just was too weakened by injury to win it.
Summary of Tomlin's 5 year career as Head Coach.
Regular Season Record: 55-25. 68.8%
Playoff Record: 5-3
AFC North Titles: 3
AFC Championships: 2
NFL Championships: 1
I had a hard time making up my mind on what I feel when I look at Tomlin's record of success. On one hand, you have a championship, and 5 winning seasons. On the other, you look at shortcomings in the playoffs and mid-season problems. Clearly Tomlin is learning from his mistakes, just like a rookie player has to learn how to play at the Pro level.
I feel like 2008 was a championship that should have gone to Bill Cowher because a lot of those players were from his era, and Tomlin only added a couple pieces to that puzzle. Don't forget that Holmes was drafted by Cowher and made the game winning catch there.Tomlin's true team was the 2010 version, and they didn't win it all. Came awful close though.
To me Tomlin is good (now) at making sure we win against weak teams. We haven't lost to one since 2009 and that's excellent. However, look a little bit at our losses. They're all playoff teams. This concerns me greatly. Here's a quick breakdown of our record against playoff teams. Playoff teams in this case are defined as teams that made the playoffs that year. I included division opponents.
2007: 1-2 (beat Seahawks, lost to Pats/Jags)
2008: 3-4 (Beat Chargers and ravens twice)
2009: 4-3
2010: 2-4 (wins over Atlanta/Baltimore)
2011: 3-4 (wins over NE and Cincy 2x)
Total: 13-17. This is a bad number to me. You have to be able to beat playoff teams with regularity over .500. More troubling is that a lot of those wins are against NFC fodder where anybody can be a playoff team, and division wins. Outside of our division we are almost never winning against AFC playoff teams now. That has to be addressed, but how? Most of us feel we have the talent needed to win, but we just havent
Looking at those numbers, its rather interesting that we had a +500 record in 2009 but missed the playoffs. That probably explains why I felt we could have dominated had we have made it in as the 6th seed.
Basically, if we continue down this road, we're only going to be a middle of the road team. If you can beat all the bottom feeders, great, you'll probably make the playoffs. But if you can't beat a playoff team in the regular season, you can't magically expect to in the post-season. 2010 is the exception not the rule.
To put it another way, if we're going to have 4 losses, I'd much rather lose two to mid-low level contenders and lose the other two to playoff teams, than lose all 4 to playoff teams. It's good for your confidence to beat good teams, it helps your playoff seeding in tiebreaker scenarios and secures byes and home field advantage. The #1 seed was available to us 3 weeks ago because we had beaten the Pats. That's how big an impact a single playoff team win makes.
I decided to narrow it down a bit. I took out our record against NFC playoff teams, and division opponents. Just only looking at the AFC playoff teams of each year.
2007: 0-2 (Lost to Jags and Pats)
2008: 1-2 (chargers win, losses to Colts and Titans)
2009: 1-0 (only the chargers)
2010: 0-2 (lost to the Jets and Pats)
2011: 1-1 (Beat the Pats)
Total of 3-7.
To me, to be winning just 30% of your games against AFC playoff opponents outside of your division is troublesome. We certainly have the talent because some of the wins are there and many of the games are close. But this number says to me a lot is wrong with our strategies and gameplanning.
Of further concern to me is Tomlin's game management. While BA and Lebeau are the coordinators, Tomlin has to step in sometimes I feel. There are moments you need to veto what you coaches call, and moments where you have to take the reins. I dont feel that Tomlin asserts his will very much with his coaching staff. He lets BA continue to call horrific plays like WR screens behind the LOS on 3rd and 7. He continues to let Lebeau make poor coverage calls in critical moments. Tomlin is supposed to be a DB coach specialist, so he should recognize when those bad coverage calls are wrong. He doesn't do anything and we saw what happened last night.
Furthermore, he seems to have a poor concept of clock management at the end of the half. Our team wastes a ton of time getting to the line and doesn't seem to know what to do in a 2 minute drill with few timeouts. Compound that with frequently wasted challenges (I felt the one in the Broncos game was a waste even if it was correct), and you put yourself in tougher situations. How many times have we seen the offense drive at the end of the half, close to making a play for some points, only to be squashed by either running out of timeouts, or time, or waiting way too long to call the TO? Ben takes some blame for holding the ball, but then the playcalling needs to give him better options and quicker passes too.
I had thought that Tomlin was an excellent motivator, but there are doubts creeping into my mind. Look at Taylor yesterday. A good coach settles his guy down, tells him to relax, go out and play. He gives him some help to restore confidence. Instead Taylor was left alone all day and just suffered a mental breakdown at the worst possible time. The lack of enthusiasm in the Ravens and 49ers games this year was embarrassing.
I have not lost all hope in Tomlin. He has shown that he's capable of learning from his mistakes and he's gotten better. But he needs to improve more, and soon. Tomlin has a window of opportunity NOW. In a few more years Ben won't be the same player as he ages, or is simply broken. The defense isn't getting any younger, and NOW is the time to be winning post-season games. This is just an unacceptable ending to our season.
Tomlin's draft strategy concerned me in 2008, but it seems to have been restored to order. But we HAVE to quit wasting those middle round picks.
Drafting RB/WR in 2008 was retarded. Those players can be found at so many levels. Redman and FWP were undrafted, Brown was a 6th rounder, Ward and Wallace were 3rd rounders. Has Tomlin learned from this mistake too?
I'd like to see Tomlin make some aggressive trades this year to go for a guy we really need if possible. We know Colbert and Cowher did it for Polamalu and Holmes, and both of those picks helped us immensely.
In conclusion, I'm not sold on Tomlin. I feel he inherited a team with a great core, and they got to a championship. Since then Tomlin has struggled against good teams, bad teams, playoff teams, and has been relatively lost in the playoffs. I feel that for a team this good to be going out in the first round, it's just not right.
I'm in no way asking for him to be fired or released. I think he is still very young, and as I've commented in this article he has shown the ability to learn from his mistakes. A lot of this aims to figure out how long that learning process will take. There are some areas of concern, and they have not necessarily improved over the last 5 years. Some things have worsened and others have improved. To me this marks a major page-turn for Tomlin and it's time he stand up and really lead this team down the path of glory. He has to be able to make up for those times when the team can't win it for him. He has to be their rock. I certainly hope he can do all of that.
While it might sound rash, If Tomlin wants to win me over he can start by asking BA and LeBeau to retire. Neither of them can make adjustments on the fly and BA is the worst offender. LeBeau watched the game with rose colored glasses during the 2nd quarter and didn't adjust until halftime. Maybe he's just getting old. Tomlin is the head, and the head has to have control.. No amount of fancy metaphors and catch-phrases win games, it's planning and management that do. Tomlin has a lot of work to do in those departments. He may be a fun coach to play for, and he may be creative and motivating, but until he learns how to create a gameplan that dominates his opponent, and learns to manage his players and coaches, he won't win another championship.
There's the numbers, there's my thoughts, what do you have to say? Thanks to anybody who made it through this long post, I'd love to hear what you have to think about it.
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I've had this same observation...(emphasis added)
Of further concern to me is Tomlin’s game management. While BA and Lebeau are the coordinators, Tomlin has to step in sometimes I feel. There are moments you need to veto what you coaches call, and moments where you have to take the reins. I dont feel that Tomlin asserts his will very much with his coaching staff. He lets BA continue to call horrific plays like WR screens behind the LOS on 3rd and 7. He continues to let Lebeau make poor coverage calls in critical moments. Tomlin is supposed to be a DB coach specialist, so he should recognize when those bad coverage calls are wrong. He doesn’t do anything and we saw what happened last night.
And I think it will be how Tomlin addresses this that will define his status as a HC in the coming years.
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I so agree here
I don’t see in-game adjustments at all.
I think the Ben BA relationship is honorific for the team because Ben runs it.
What exactly is the Ben / Tomlin relationship?
The loss yesterday was a disgrace because Tomlin let overconfidence destroy them on defense.
I’m tired of the cliche riddled press conference too. Coach the damn team outside of your stupid rhymes when you answer post game questions.
I’m pissed because this loss was directly related to hideous in-game adjustments.
Very much agreed
One thing I wanted to mention was the Steelers tendency to play down to their level of competition- since the 2009 fiasco, the Steelers have consistently won those games against bad teams, but a lot of those scores and contests have been closer than it seems like it should be.
A lot of the other cracks you mentioned over the past two seasons (o-line among them) probably have a lot to do with why a very good team has sometimes struggled to put inferior opponents away.
The missing on the mid-round draft picks has also been problematic: I agree with you fully that the team needs to target some key players to fill crucial holes, and swap later-round-picks to move up. This would allow them to fill needs while still targeting the BPA, and it’s the thing that Cowher did when necessary, and it made this team great several times.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
You're right. They should have fired Cowher's ass too at around season 5
He had some very glaring shortcomings. And we let him stay. The good-for-nothing bum leached the poor Rooney’s out of millions, and delivered two Super Bowl appearances and one Lombardi. Shamemful.
I say fire Tomlin now. We should NOT allow a head coach to learn over time. We should do it the Raider Way.
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I don't get
how that’s allegedly a response to what I said?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't intended for you.
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he's made some mistakes
but you’d expect that from a young HC and he’ll get better at asserting himself over his coordinators. I still like the way his teams play in the playoffs better than Cowher teams.
no doubt
This guy was a defensive coordinator for one season before becoming a head coach, everyone had to expect growing pains. If growing pains equate to four playoff appearances, three AFC North titles, two AFC champs and one SB trophy in five years, then I’ll damn sure take it.
Questioning Tomlin at this point is asinine considering the mountain of injuries this team was facing. And to blame Tomlin for Ike getting torched is even worse. Put some blame on the players and call for their heads for once.
by average joe blow on Jan 9, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Joe
Agree with most but you seen Ike get torched time and time again. If the DC allows this to repeat itself should Tomlin not see this and make a change. I would want my HC to say damn get this man some help. You know?
It blows my mind that Denver seen it, we seen it and boom it ended the game. With no change
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I think we just see it differently
At least the way I saw it, Ike jumped to the outside b/c he thought he had help. Mundy faked the blitz then tried to drop back and be that ‘inside help.’ He was late then Ike got ‘Heisman-ed’ and it’s ballgame over. Do I actually know if a double coverage was called? Of course not, but it at least appeared that they tried to get inside/outside coverage on that play.
by average joe blow on Jan 9, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Just a couple thoughts on the 'taking charge' ideas...
Didn’t Tomlin come from a 4-3 style defense? Also Lebeau is an icon. Let Tomlin overrule him and see what kind of grief he catches if things still go badly. I actually think Tomlin may be waiting for Lebeau to retire and then he will bring in a DC who will run a 4-3 defense. Look at the types of linebackers that have been drafted. Pretty well suited for a 4-3. As far as BA/Ben goes, Ben seems to have BA in his pocket. Lobbied for more passing- done. Lobbied for more no-huddle where Ben makes the calls- done. Now,that being said, Ben has done well on both counts, but there still seems to be some mix up as to who is to be in charge there. Ben should not have played in a couple games he did play in to rest the ankle. He should have been right beside Pouncey. I guess Tomlin does need to be a little more in control and making better decisions for the team and not just for who put out good effort during practices.
by Al_Steelerfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Tomlin got his start in a 3-4
when he was coaching at the college level. Tomlin was a graduate assistant to Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach), and then became Butler’s DB’s coach when Butler became the DC at Arkansas State. Butler will likely be the Steelers next DC, and he only knows the 3-4. Based on Butler’s background, his relationship with Tomlin, and the fact that Tomlin only coached a 4-3 for one season, I don’t see the Steelers moving to a 4-3 after LeBeau retires.
by Greig Clawson on Jan 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for the correction.
I just remember when he got hired there was talk wondering if he was going to switch to a 4-3 since that was what he came from. I should have done a little more research and I would have known of the Tomlin/ Butler connection. Again, thanks.
by Al_Steelerfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
It all came down to LeBeau trying to stop the bleeding with Hampton, Kiesel etc. out on the DL
Playing short on the DL with the threat of the #1 rushing team in the league potentially gashing us, he had Troy play up close. Also, Clark was out of the game already, so our top two safeties are not the to give over help. Ike got burned. But Ike got burned not because he sucks, but because the Broncos were able to attack deep with no safety help. Just my view of what I saw. It’s on film.
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Cowher vs. Tomlin
I think the players really like coach T and I am sure they did coach C also. What i like more in coach C was when things started going wrong he would be up in someones faces spitting. Football players need that type of motivation and I am not seeing it from Coach T. Sometimes you need to piss off these millionaires to motivate them folks.
Cowher's antics are way over rated
Tomlin acts more like Noll on the sidelines, and it’s hard to argue with the results so far. Cowher fired up his troops with his antics like his mentor Marty did, but in the biggest of games his teams fell flat.
Tomlin has yet to have a losing season. He’s yet to lose an AFCC game. And regardless of anyone’s feelings outside the organization – he’ll be our coach for another 10 years at least.
Yes, what Cowher also did was fail in big games, over and over again. I’ll take Tomlin’s approach
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Agree
A lot of good spitting in Troy Edwards’ face did leading up to the 2001 AFC Championship game.
Tomlin treats his players like men and professionals…they respect that.
by pistil_stamen on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
He was so bad it would've have mattered what Cowher did to him
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 10, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not
that I’m still bitter about that game or anything…
by pistil_stamen on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
That game is where my hatred for the Patriots began
And yeah, I’m not bitter either :/
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 10, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
So will I
But, I think for a few reasons, he probably tends to give his veterans a little too much slack/benefit of the doubt, particularly where age an injuries are concerned.
I think part of this is him being young, part of it is him being relatively new. No one wants to be the second year head coach who cuts Aaron Smith after a SB win; and I’m not saying it should have been done. The point I AM making though it that this team used to be dramatically unsentimental about getting rid of players who were past their prime.
This season, their inability to do that, and their tendency to save roster spots that could have been shored up by youth, bit them. It could have been otherwise- if these guys had stayed healthy, and the team had been less riddled by injuries, we’d be talking about the Pats next Sunday.
But, I DO think that is an area where Tomlin needs to adjust, and I suspect he will when the time comes for some more current legends.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect we will see several instances....
…of beloved, yet grizzled veterans being outright released.
We’re $20 million + over the salary cap, we have age and performance issues, we have vets coming off of, or soon undergoing serious surgery (Smith, Hoke the former, Snack, Starks the latter); we have the inevitable slowing of such stars as Farrior and Ward, etc.
I think the FO is going to bite the bullet this off season, make the necessary objective decisions, and attempt to re-load this team quickly, while we still have a (quasi) mobile, elite QB and the Young Money receivers available to him.
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Agree
I don’t think there’s even any doubt that Smith and Hoke are headed to retirement, which I think is the right call medically.
I DO agree that Farrior, Ward, and Snack are the interesting ones to see what happens- I suspect Farrior gets released, Ward gets renegotiated for less $, and as to Casey, if they had his replacement on the roster, he might be gone, but as they don’t, he’s brought back in.
It will also be interesting to see what happens with Troy and Clark in the next 2 years or so.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking if we can move up a couple spots, or even stay at 24, we take one of the top rookies available at Snack's spot.
Most of the boards have a couple highly rated 300+ pounders ready to take.
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We don't see Tomlin spitting in their faces..
but sometimes I would love to be in the locker room to hear what he has to say when they are screwing up. I have a feeling it’s a little more animated than his sideline demeanor!
by Al_Steelerfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Very happy with Tomlin
I think the Steelers are fortunate to have Tomlin, and his coaching ability should only grow with experience. His accomplishments in only five years are truly remarkable. In some ways, it’s just as difficult to remain a strong contender than going to a bad club which needs rebuilding. The only area I would like to see upgraded is the removal of key players when a game is already decided or not needed. Don’t have a beef with starting Ben against San Fran, but agree he should have been pulled late in that one. In 2008 BR should not have played against Cleveland, when he suffered a concussion.
Overall, I see Tomlin coaching the Steelers for many years, and the team winning more Super Bowls.
i see your points but respectfully disagree
to me, the mark of a good coach comes in getting his team prepared week in and week out. a good team beats the teams theyre supposed to beat and should come in around .500 against the top tier teams. this is what this team does well, and it shows me that the coaches are doing a good job. id rather see this than a team like Baltimore who can sweep their division, beat sanfran and houston, then lose to seattle, jacksonville and san diego.
what you’re completely right about is the inability to make adjustments in the game. we see it on both offense and defense which means Tomlin isn’t taking the reigns when his team (or his coaches) strays.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Agree
I think the lack of in-game adjustment was the biggest culprit yesterday, and the one thing currently separating Tomlin from the elite coaches- I’m not saying he’s not very good- he has been, and is. But, there’s still room for improvement (as I am sure he would agree), and that needs to happen sooner rather than later.
Mechem also makes another good point: I think Mendenhall has been a fine RB, but that draft pick in 2008 should have been to grab a premiere offensive lineman, on the assumption that a great line and a decent back are better than vice-versa most of the time.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Neither Tomlin, nor LeBeau...
…had many players with which to make any kind of change. As said in another poast, if we didn’t bring in the secondary to help with the run defense, they would have run the ball more, and eaten more of the clock, making the tie that was achieved, improbable.
Remember, we were down to the only 3 D linemen we had standing; and they got no rest or substitutions as a result. And who are you going to replace Taylor with?
Injuries are not an excuse, but they are a factor in the decisions that were made.
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Oh, absolutely
I don’t disagree with you on any of it from yesterday. I am disappointed by the result, but I do appreciate how ridiculous their injury circumstances were.
I was speaking more generally about in-game adjustments, and motivating players who either need a talking to, or a confidence boost. Actually, even though it was a losing effort, I will say the Steelers looked a TON better in the second half of last year’s Super Bowl: whoever made that halftime speech did a good job, cause they came out fired up, and nearly overcame a large deficit.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
they couldn't have run it much more than they did
tebow had 21 pass attempts vs 34 team rush attempts.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 10, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely agree.
It might have been a different story if we had Allen and Lewis healthy. There wasn’t much they could do on D. 9 games out of 10 Teboew doesn’t make those throws. He was just on and the ball fell in exactly the right spot every time.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin
Kudos for initiating this discussion, Mechem
I expected at some point a poast taking a hard look at MT’s role in this debacle, but did not expect it to be this well researched and argued, so soon. Food for thought, as we ponder the next five years of his reign: I believe as you do that how he reacts to his coordinators’ inability to adapt quickly or anticipate curveballs thrown at them will define his legacy.
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by Flying Polamalus on Jan 9, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Sorry, calling for LeBeau's head isn't well-researched or well argued.
It rots the integrity of anything else written. My opinion.
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Extremely enjoyable post to read
I believe that Tomlin would be highly resistant, to replacing both his coordinators in the same year. Taking on that big of a change in one year, cannot be what any HC wants to do. Especially when they just went 12-5.
Sure the D had a bad game, but they were the #1 defense this year. Replacing LeBeau now, isn’t getting to the root of the team’s problem.
On to the offense. Ranked 21st in the league in points, time management issues that reoccur in many games, as you mentioned. Consistently taking sacks, backing us away from field goal range, instead of throwing the ball away, so a kick is possible. This is what I hope Tomlin changes this year.
Lets not forget special teams. As I recall they were an area of weakness when Tomlin came in. He has not let that continue.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Not that you are advocating this, but if Pitt fired Tomlin tomorrow, he’d be the hottest available HC candidate in a decade+.
At his age, with his resume and calm, professional demeanor, he’d be the most sought after HC I can think of since… well maybe Jon Gruden when Tampa Bay paid a fortune in draft picks to Oakland.
I never understood trading coaches for draft picks (it’s weird right?), but I bet the Steelers could land at least two 1st rounders for Tomlin.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Not in a million years.
I can just imagine the Rooneys’ stance on this, and that’s just not the way business is conducted in that organization.
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Those who can't... post on message boards using a screen name boasting the name of those who can.
by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Jan 9, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Plus the Rooney’s don’t make major mistakes like letting go of a great young HC. Tomlin should be around in Pitt for the next decade as your coach. He’s a good one. In fact, I’d say he is better than Bill Cowher (whom I also think highly off).
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I like the tag line, and I agree 100%.
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Not advocating this at all
I am merely pointing out some concerns that have my faith in Tomlin wavering.
Tomlin earned everybody’s trust very early, but as I contest, that’s not totally his doing. I’m waiting to see him develop as a coach so that he can make up where the team falls short. Because in 2008 the Team (Ben’s comebacks, big turnovers) saved the game many many times. This year, those things never happened. Tomlin has to be able to make up that difference.
The Rooney's said they would let Tomlin grow into the job.
That is exactly what they are doing. It just so happens that he managed to get to 2 Super Bowls and win one in his first 5 years of growing.
I loved Bill Cowher. He was a class act and a highly spirited guy, but I can’t remember how many times his teams came out flat in games. Tomlin tries to keep things on an even keel so that they play as professionals and don’t depend on emotion. Baltimore seems to rely on emotion. I think that is why they come out flat against lesser teams. Bill Cowher was pretty bad in the playoffs too. It took him a long time to let his coordinators do their jobs without micro managing them. When he did that, he won the Super Bowl.
I don’t think the draft record should be all Tomlin. The Steelers draft by committee. He doesn’t have the final call. They come to a consensus and then draft the guy. Maybe Art Rooney II can over rule someone if he really wants RGIII or something like that, but 99% of the time it is not one guy’s pick.
Tomlin is far from perfect. He doesn’t reveal a lot in press conferences (he uses them to motivate players – but have you seen the Patsies press conferences?). He makes strange decisions in the heat of the moment. However, when I look around the league, I don’t see any other coach I would rather have. I don’t want the Harbaugh’s other brother Darrell. I don’t want Rex Ryan or the Patsies uni-bomber. I don’t want anybody else. Give me Tomlin. I am not interested in changing coaches every 2 years and neither are the Rooney’s.
My one wish for the offseason is shore up the O-line. It has been a disaster long enough.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin
Well said brother
Although on the topic of emotion, don’t you think it’s necessary in some cases? I love the concept of keepin everybody on an even keel for most of the time, but certainly you too noticed a lack of emotion and energy in our first game.
Fair point
but, as a professional, if getting your ass kicked like we did in week one doesn’t give you some emotion, there’s nothing a coach can do.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
True
But you shouldn’t have to get your ass kicked to get the emotion in your system. I mean it’s week 1 against your arch-rival for Science’s sake, how much more fired up can you get?
But only the Ravens looked like they gave a shit in that game. That performance is IMO the most embarrassing and saddest loss I’ve ever seen in my 7 years watching the Steelers.
Yeah, I think emotion has its place.
I don’t mean play without emotion. I just mean play with controlled emotion. Play physical. Play hard. Play to win but don’t get too high or too low. I think that is what Tomlin is shooting for.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin
I have to agree
Some other points; Tomlin should of stepped in and TOLD Ben he is not playing in the last Cleveland game, after all, the standard is the standard, and your Backup QB should get the job done in Cleveland. I think, at times he is too wishy washy, he comes in his first year and is pretty strict and says this is how its going to be, then the next year he is the opposite. The players seemed to run the team. Also, I have gone to camp several times the last several years, and there seems to be favorites that dont have to practice or be invloved in drills. Ie; Hampton, Ben, etc. I saw Ben standing there talking to the coaches at the 50 yard line while the rest of the team were running drills to the 40 and back to the end zone. Like Ben was a coach anaylzing the team. And, NO, Ben wasnt injured or had anything going on.
I dont think you will see Tomlin get rid of either DL or BA. Not going to happen, the only way is if they leave on their own. Tomlin is like a robot to me, with no personality. He says the same thing in every one of his news conferences.
Yup
Team needs a better offensive coordinator, and #7 needs someone to tell him what do a little more directly, not let him improvise until he’s severely injured, and then let him play on the injury prior to the playoffs.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Look out Mechem !!
You have dared to range into the world of criticism as a Steeler fan. That is often met with a barrage of insults and shouts of “Blasphemy!!”.
I agree with a number of your statements and think some tough questions can be asked about how Tomlin and his staff prepared for and called this game and others – why not? It’s not that Tebow completed a couple passes vs man coverage or that the Steeler offense again ran hot and cold. They lost to the Broncos, played with a one-legged QB for many weeks and continue to be an offensive team without an identity, so some questions can rightfully be asked.
I also have a tough time with the post-game presser and the repeated mantra that “the standard is the standard”. Well sure, you don’t accept losing ahead of time or after-the-fact because of injuries. You do adjust your gameplan and in-game play calling depending on who you have, who they have and how you are doing. This robotic blather doesn’t do it for me. The No Excuses thing is fine too but when you lose, maybe certain things which aren’t working so well in-game or in the post-game analysis should provide change…. not just more of the same.
CREDIT to Tomlin and the Steelers:
1) They went 12-4 and made the playoffs
2) They suffered numerous injuries and continued to have a winning season
3) The Steelers are still a class organization
4) Special teams have been improved over time
Things which deserve a close look and critique:
1) The Steelers continue to play “below the standard” against below average teams
2) The coaching staff often fails to adjust in-game to situations when they are struggling
3) Big Ben playing hurt jeopardized his and the team’s season, not to mention his career and the future of the team
4) Tomlin’s contributions vs those of his coordinators. Leaving well enough alone is fine but there are a host of things which don’t seem to change much. Those changes are what I expect from a HC
5) Game situation and clock management. This issue was perfectly exemplified yesterday. The possibility was there but the game winning FG try never materialized.
I’m not a Tomlin-hater nor am I a Steeler fan who runs around with my eyes closed. Teams lose games for many reasons. The biggest reason should always be a lack of talent versus that of your opponent, but that is not how most football games are decided. Two of the biggest factors which are controllable are mental mistakes made by players and the strategies and tactics employed in the three phases of the game. These two things are beyond the scope of talent for the most part – they are where coaches make a big difference. I believe the Steeler coaching staff has some responsibility for their loss yesterday.
The health of Roethlisberger has been and continues to be the biggest issue for their head coach. Nothing much has changed there either. Big Ben is exposed to hits repeatedly due to the poor play of the offensive line, the formations and plays called and his style of play. All of those things are within a coach’s ability to modify in order to achieve different results. My biggest question of Tomlin’s judgement is how he handled BB’s leg injury this year. We all know they wanted to win in order to claim the North title and get a bye. But the risks taken to gain that possibility were not worth the reward. Winning the division means nothing if Ben is not able to play in the post season. Losing BB for the playoffs was a very real possibility. He definitely could not play anywhere close to 100%. With a lock on a playoff spot, I just don’t agree with him playing in those last games. The fact that he did and got re-injured leaves Tomlin open for some criticism.
Maybe the mantra should be “The gameplan is the gameplan !!”
"Franz" in NoCal
Many of your points, I agree with...however...
…these I don’t:
The biggest reason should always be a lack of talent versus that of your opponent, but that is not how most football games are decidedThe biggest deciding factor in games, is the human element, not disparity in talent. Would you say the 2007 Giants were more talented than the undefeated Patriots? I wouldn’t. The deciding factor was David Tyree’s amazing “helmet catch” which was luck, aided yes by talent, but out of 10 attempts, how many times do you think he would replicate that; and the Patriots line not sufficiently slowing down the Giants pass rush, not from lack of talent, but of execution. You don’t go 16 games undefeated (yechh, hate even referencing that) without superior talent, and luck.
We all know they wanted to win in order to claim the North title and get a bye.
They weren’t playing for the bye, though the time off would have helped. They were playing Ben in hopes of gaining home field advantage, at least for one game. Given our record as visitor, easily understandable. An extra week’s rest wouldn’t have helped either Ben or Pouncey with their ankle sprains; those things take months.
You have dared to range into the world of criticism as a Steeler fan. That is often met with a barrage of insults and shouts of "Blasphemy!!".
Blasphemy!!! lol. Seriously, unless someone posts an “off the wall” rant, in my experience here, rarely are criticisms not well received, unless its by a minority that don’t know how to comport themselves.
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My point regarding the impact of coaching is this:
superior talent doesn’t always beat teams with less. Coaching can often make a big difference in the outcome. If two teams are coached well, then talent should be the difference. Meaning, each coaching staff prepared their team, utilized the team’s strengths and minimized it’s weaknesses, adjusted tactics well during the game and managed the game as best as could be expected.
I’m not sure what you mean by “the human element”. Tyree’s catch was the culmination of a play which included good pass blocking by most of the Giants, a great effort by Eli to escape a sack, a very good throw under duress and a great leaping catch while getting hit. I don’t think it was lucky – it didn’t depend on a fluke bounce or on the other team making a bad mistake.
I would say the talent level on the field was pretty equal overall – Pats better offensively but neutralized by a talented Giants defense. The coaching on both sides seemed good as well from what I recall, thus the game was close the whole way.
The Giants defense didn’t beat the Pats through some magical scheme, they rushed 4 guys on most downs and they were talented enough to beat them in those match-ups.
As far as why the Steelers wanted to keep winning – winning meant a shot at the division title. Both home field and a bye come with that and their record relative to the others. I think it was a strategic mistake to play BB in SF for sure. He was in really bad shape and could have been seriously hurt. Plus, it was a non-conference game and had no real affect on the tie-breaker scenario save for the win itself. You could figure that Baltimore would lose one more game at that point – probably SD or Cinci. So, winning out would be great but putting BB at risk just didn’t seem worth it. The wild card was already guaranteed by that time. Combined with St Louis and Cleveland as the last two games, why not play Batch and look to go 2-1 in those games? If I’m the GM or owner, I really question that move. Once they were guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, I would have sat Ben for all of the regular season games.
Some here really hate any critique of the Steelers or Tomlin. Mechem made some very legitimate points, some of which have come up repeatedly for the past few years.
"Franz" in NoCal
have to agree with alot of your points
And, I believe it wasnt the lucky catch by Tyree, but an accumulation of the Giants Defense that was able to rattle Brady all day. And, speaking of preperation and having an under-talented team. This year I think the Patriots arent that talented, but ultimately it comes to preperation and coaching, and Bellicheck always has his team prepared. And ,if not, or they have a bad game, its rarely repeated. He is a coach who will always get the players best, if not, they are gone.
I actually think the Giants have a good chance of going all the way. They have a running game back, their 4 down defensive lineman are the best in the playoffs right now, and they can get to the qb without blizting.
+1
Thanks.
You make a good point about Belichick, something I and others have mentioned numerous times. The guy does a great job – love him or hate him.
Coughlin is a good coach and if he wasn’t in NYC, he probably doesn’t get the crap that he does. I think the Giants are rounding into form pretty well right about now. Not sure if they can take the Saints or GB but they look a lot better than they did a month ago.
"Franz" in NoCal
Agree on the Giants
My upset special of the week pick is that they triumph over Green Bay.
It’s just too hard to win back to back Super Bowls, and they are ripe for a letdown.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Repeating is difficult enough
but in the salary cap era, it’s even harder. You can’t stockpile much talent or at least not for very long. Your guys are getting paid more in free agency to go elsewhere, and if you have a great roster you can’t possibly pay them all and stay under the cap.
Green Bay is still very good but they don’t appear as good as they were a month or two ago. The defense is not as dynamic and they have some OL injuries. The Giants pass rush and defense in general will be the key – just like in the SB vs NE.
"Franz" in NoCal
I'm confused
The original poster wrote that we handled lesser teams well but struggled with “playoff caliber” teams and now you’re contending that we play “below the standard” against lesser teams.
Geez we must be absolutely terrible……
by average joe blow on Jan 9, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The two aren't mutually exclusive
I think it’s fair to say that while the Steelers DO consistently beat lesser opposition, they let them hang around too long. The Browns are probably the prime example, though I know division games are often closer than talent would indicate across the league.
I think the Steelers are great, but they DO make for a stressful viewing experience a lot of the time, even when they win.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't they pretty much always done that though?
We’re not a team like the Saints that keep the pedal mashed down when we have the lead. That used to be my #1 complaint of Cowher, the offense would basically go into a shell once we got a second half lead. Plus I think Tomlin stresses “style points don’t matter enough” that he doesn’t care if he wins 34-10 or 17-14 as long as they win.
by average joe blow on Jan 9, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
This
I didn’t make a lot of fuss about how we win those games. While we could certainly do better, I don’t mind. I’d get bored watching 35-0 games every week to be honest. I even appreciate this game despite the loss, much like Ravens 2 this year. Both those games hurt like hell, but were entertaining as all get out.
Tell me you weren’t screamin your pants off when we tied that game, and didn’t hold your breath as Farrior called Tails again.
I hate the ending, but liked the story.
So what if we play fiddle faddle a little bit, as long as we win I’m happy and winning is what matters.
One of my observations this season
is we always played down to the level of competition. This will leave so-so teams hang around and one miscue and you lose.
by Al_Steelerfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying the Steelers are terrible
I’m saying that they don’t live up to the level of talent which they have on this team when playing bad teams. That has to be at least partly on the coaching staff. When playing crummy teams, the later part of the game should be a time to play some 2nd stringers and to get your stars off the field. Every play is a potential concussion or injury, so getting a good start and cruising late is the best strategy. The Steelers played 5 games versus teams that were just not any good this year and left the result in doubt until late in the game:
Colts( 2-14) final score 23-20
Jacksonville (5-11) final score 17-13
Kansas City (7-9) final score 13-9, KC was 4-6 at the time and they played Palko at QB
Cleveland 1 (4-12) final score 14-3, game was 7-3 until 2:52 left in the game
Cleveland 2 (4-12) final score 13-9
They were solidly in control vs St Louis (2-14) with Batch playing QB. My guess is that the players were motivated to play well since BB was out. How can they beat the Rams 27-0 without Ben but struggle until the waning moments in these other 5 games?
Every NFL team will typically ‘mail it in’ one week during the season. The Steelers did that more than once for sure.
"Franz" in NoCal
Critcize the Steelers?
How could…but we have six…
Yeah, man I’m glad you mentioned that. I’ve been frustrated around here so often by people acting like this team is above criticism. Plus the hypocrisy from so many who often criticize the team, then criticize others for doing the same thing.
I always keep in perspective how great it is to be a fan of this team over the rest and I think that gives me the right to evaluate them just like any other fan does with their team.
by TorchM on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely agree.
too many act like its the same personnel every year. Yes the Steelers are well known for consistency. However, the core may be relatively in tact but every year brings new people and the team has to figure out what they do best with the talent they have. They really struggled with that this year and all of the injuries didn’t help.
by Al_Steelerfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Being critical is not being disloyal/bandwagon
This is a good site and I like the banter. I guess some of us like to vent our frustrations and don’t regard that as being less than 100% supportive of the team.
Some of the most critical people on this site are also the most inciteful and informative.
"Franz" in NoCal
Yeah I'm glad I posted this
I honestly didn’t expect more than 10 comments lol…
The key is all in how it’s said. You can be critical but you have to be level-headed too. So many people get on the soap box and just shout about one side of the argument for 150 words.
Really good poast btw Mechem
A lot of good insight, a lot of stuff I agreed with, and it struck a good balance between supportive fan and objective critic.
It also makes me smile that the same author who does the hate guide can be so civil, analytical, and eloquent.
Rec’d.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
To be clear
I don’t want Tomlin fired. I feel it’s important to take an objective view to some of this stuff. We got enamored a little bit with Tomlin from year 2 and I think we started to have very high expectations. The reality is that he is a very young coach, considering how many are in their 50’s. He has room for improvement, and this post sought to point those things out.
I would be in favor of letting him go if these same problems continue for 2-4 years without any sign of improvement. For the moment, as this post noted, there have been many things that were improved. I maintain he can improve more things, the question is will he.
I think
Tomlin is fine. His job is to manage and motivate the team, and he does a fantastic job with that. I have written about his lack of clock management skills here before, but that could be a function of the OC and QB as well. As I already wrote, I think the time has come for him to appoint/promote new assistants into the OC and DC roles. We know (and apparently everyone else does as well) what we are going to get from Arians and LeBeau…lets see what some new blood can infuse into those units.
by pistil_stamen on Jan 10, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
BA has to go
Agree with this post-Tomlin is a motivator and a players coach-but he plays checkers vs. other coaches playing chess. Look at what Belichick and now Houston do with backups. Look at the horrible offensive rating.
Inverted cover-2 has burned us many times-stop running it.
So-we need to get rid of Arians. And then we give one year for Tomlin to assert himself to show some innovative strategy. Hired the Broncos Offensive coordinator-perhaps-boy did he have us nailed.
Some may say we should be happy with 12-5 compared to other teams-but the flaws are too easy to fix to accept it.
by MeanJoeInGeorgia on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions
I think that's the salient point
“the flaws are too easy to fix to accept it.”
From the outside looking in, it really DOES seem like a lot of what needs to change is pretty obvious, and pretty doable. I’m sure it’s harder than it looks to implement it, but, for example, with the offensive line- it’s just clear that better personnel are needed.
But yeah, 12-5; hard to complain TOO much about that…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
If you think that Tomlin deserves “one year” after his third 12-4 season (out of 5?!) you must have been pulling your hair out after they brought Cowher back after the abysmal 1999 season.
by pistil_stamen on Jan 10, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
PS
What the hell has Bill Belichick won since 2004?
by pistil_stamen on Jan 10, 2012 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
Belicheck uses receivers DB
how is that a sign of good backups
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 10, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
*as DBs
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
next year’s Patriots roster……Tom Brady and 52 TE’s
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Did Belicheck steal BA's playbook?
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 18, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I wnated Russ instead of Tomlin
I think that with the core Cowher build this team was ready to win 3 SBs in a row, ultimately the fault is on Rooney.
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Is that a joke?
How many other teams gave Russ a HC job? I suppose that’s Rooney’s fault too?
Come on man. I could see wanting to go with Whiz, but Russ?
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
ok, Whiz was a better option than Russ
But Russ look better at that time
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You would have thought
Grimm and Whiz had a real advantage being that they were already there, were part of past success and were known commodities in the league.
Obviously, Whisenhunt was well thought of since he got 2 or 3 HC interviews and landed in Arizona. Grimm got one interview at the Steelers and maybe one more IIRC. As a HOF lineman and veteran coach, you would think he had a good shot.
I have always thought that the Rooney Rule put the Steelers in a no-win situation. If they didn’t choose a minority coach, they look like hypocrites. If they do, critics can say he gets hired only for that reason. Tomlin apparently wowwed them in the interviews and that’s why he was chosen, at least that was the public relations notes put out there. I’m not a real big fan of the rule but that’s another can of worms. I’ll just say it’s not fair to him or any minority candidate to have to face it as an issue as to why they were hired.
"Franz" in NoCal
Yeah
their track record in hiring head coaches is spotty at best…
by pistil_stamen on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
Must be from lack of practice....
…maybe they should ask the Browns how to do it?
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Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 10, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
It's time for a change
LeBeau and Arians. I love LeBeau and have significant distaste toward Arians…but there comes a time when change is a necessary part of life. How much more can these two contribute? Give Keith Butler his chance. Go find someone else to infuse the offense with something new and innovative. Jim Nance was wondering aloud why Bruce Arians’ name never comes up in head coaching conversations…maybe it was a rhetorical question. They both have had a good run…now it’s time to move on.
i dunno
Tomlin has been pretty great. Steelers consistently have late draft picks, which this team has overcome. Tons of injuries this season, the whole Rothlisberger and Santonio off-field fiascos, most opponents are very very eager to beat us, treating a Steelers game as a kind of super bowl.
Yet, Tomlin takes the team to the playoffs 80% of the time and to the super bowl 40% of the time.
In game stuff is only a part of coaching. i would argue it is much less significant than the preparations beforehand, even. Still, your criticisms here are totally valid. I just feel that with what he has had to work with, Tomlin has done as good as can be expected. I would not take any other current Head coach over him.
Just wondering, which other HC would you rather have?
I want Tomlin, but...
As I said this post is not asking for Tomlin to be fired.
I have to say out of like all the coaches in the league, I like Tom Coughlin and I used to like Mike Tice. Anybody who lets his team go on a sex boat is ok in my book. And Coughlin is damn smart in games, and I like the hard-ass exterior he has.
It’s hard sometimes to tell whos a bad or good coach, and who simply has a good/bad team. Belicheck sucked in Cleveland. Romeo Crennel is 2-1 with the Chiefs.
Coughlin? Really?
I live in New York and my fiancee is a Giants fan. Trust me, she’d LOVE to have Tomlin run the Giants.
This is the first year the Giants have made the playoffs since 2008. They remain maddeningly inconsistent (they swept the Cowboys this season, but also got swept by the Redskins) and you still never know which Eli or Giants offense you will get, and Coughlin is an offensively-oriented coach.
by Tequila0341 on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, as a guy who lives in Dallas and hears a ton of NFC East talk
There was at least talk that Coughlin was on the verge of being fired at the end of the season if the Giants didn’t make it in. His teams are inconsistent and underacheiving at times.
by average joe blow on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
And lets not forget that debacle at the Meadowlands at the end of last season...
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 10, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Or indeed this season ...
with the defense surrendering a 90-yard game winning drive to Vince Young.
You mean the "old Tim Tebow"?
The other guy that “just wins games”? Nice job Giants.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jan 10, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
with the idea that 2008 doesn’t count for Tomlin because Cowher also coached those players. If it was so easy then why didn’t Cowher win the superbowl the year before with those players? or in 94, 95, 97, or 2001 when Cowher was coaching Cowher’s players. I think you get extra recognition if you take the previous coach’s team that did not get to the playoffs and win a superbowl with them.
I agree, however, that BB should have been sitting after the first quarter in SF. I agree that Tomlin should exert more influence over BA. Lebeau’s defense was #1 this year. number one. When your DC is running the league’s best defense, you let him do his thing, in my opinion.
To a point
The gameplan made sense, it just doesn’t make sense after allowing 3 consecutive deep bombs to keep doing the same thing.
They switched at halftime and voila only 3 more points allowed in regulation. Went back to the 2nd quarter scheme in Overtime and got burned.
Those are moments where Tomlin has to jump in sooner rather than later. And as I mentioned, he was a DB coach and a DC so he should be allowed to have some say in the matter.
That attitude of just let him do his own thing undermines the HC’s authority. If he’s never gonna change what the coordinators do, why does he even show up to the game?
yeah
I see what you’re saying. I think it’s too much to suggest that Tomlin push the coordinators out, but I agree that there are times when they stick to the game plan when the game plan isn’t working. Part of that comes from Tomlin’s idea about ‘the standard is the standard.’ It’s great to say that the men have to perform to, say, “Ryan Clark-like level of play” but in reality you may need to adjust based on the players on the field.
On the other side of the ball, Redman was running well, but Arians/Ben still throw it, like, forty times. much of that certainly was during the come-back to tie the score.
Mike, Bruce or Ben but... Offense has impacted us over the past 5
I have been on the fence here for a while only because each game over the last few years has a very similar script and outcome. A lot of my buddies talk about the “new Steeler” way of having the 100 million dollar QB take over. Well, all I know id a great running game can bolster a mild passing attack (um TeeBone broncos ring a bell)
I have been very critical of Bruce Arians and our game day offensive staff and situational adjsutment. I can recall the last time we clsoed a game out with the ball in our hand and 4 minutes left. This was our brand. Hell, the AFC championship game we throw an out to 84 and thank god he catches for the first or we are back on Dee. We dont or cant run the ball, we bubble screen (how many plays did we invest on this play with very minimal results) If we feel we have a tier one QB (not sold on that status) then either get him some studs on the oline or rein him in and stop him from coasting us FG position for the spalsh play everythrow. This all fals back on Mike and I am not sure if it is him, Bruce or Ben but nation, our offensive has placed our D in harms way a ton these past 5 years. Cant make every stop you know.
Agreed
Frankly I think it falls on BA a little more, because the run game just isnt used enough. When Redman has 17 carries but has over 100 yards, something tells me he should be used more. Granted, we were trying to come from behind but there was plenty of time on the last two drives to run the ball more.
however, it’s hard to fault him given Mendenhall’s inconsistency and the O-line’s poor performance. Makes sense to use the QB and WRs. It’s just his exectution is abysmal at times.
Why wasn’t Brown thrown to until mid 2Q? Why was Heath ignored after the first half? Why doesn’t ben ever take a checkdown? Why do we throw bubble screens behind the LOS on 3rd down?
Why in gods name do we go empty set all the time tipping off the D completely?
Well, it looks like we'll be having a Winter of Discontent...
…as it appears BA will be back, at least according to this link:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_776008.html
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Tomlin is like 39 years old and is already, in my opinion, a top 5 coach in the game.
Not to mention the fact that he is at the top of the list of coaches who players want to play for, behind only Rex Ryan (really??).
With that being said, I hope he coaches here until he retires and I’m sure the Rooneys feel the same way.
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Awesome post
If there is a need to improve it should be:
1. Stress on winning the division. Some people have said that they wouldn’t want to be in Ravens place where they lost to Jags and Seattle. But honestly, who is in a better place now? The Ravens swept the division and they were better positioned in the playoffs than us. Same story for the 2008 Cardinals. They were 9-7 but won the division by sweeping them. I am not saying it is okay to lose to sub .500 teams but winning the division has to be the first priority…always.
We can all talk about plays from the Denver game but truly the season changing event was the 92 yd TD drive against the Ravens.
2. Tighten the reins on the OC-QB relationship. People had doubts but it has apparently become obvious that Ben control Arians and not the other way around. Arians might be a good OC – he might have great play designs but Ben has to be a QB that should take instructions from his OC and his HC.
3. Contribute more on the DBs coaching. Lebeau is a HOFer. But MT is a head coach and he is the boss. I really find it hard to believe that two great defensive minded coaches allowed that 92 yard drive against the Ravens and 4 big completions in the Denver game.
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
I think Carnell Lake has us in goo hands in terms of DB Coaching
Now WR is something that Mike Tomlin can really help with, he did play the position at William and Mary. He also played against James Farrior once, that should tell you how old Potsie is.
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I totally forgot about Carnell Lake...crap
You are right.
I guess what we all agree upon is the fact that he should get more involved in finer details. He might be, we don’t know, but it doesn’t seem as if it is reflecting.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
DISAGREE
Though I admire all of the work you put in.
Not really of the opinion that cowher is better than Tomlin. I think people who believe that are looking with the so-called rose colored glasses they say LeBeau wears. Tomlin has gotten us to 2 Superbowls in a much shorter time than Cowher did. Cowher, while an excellent coach, to me, is someone I’m glad left so that Tomlin could take over. Both brought different things to the table, but I’d say Tomlin has what it takes to keep us winning.
Also, for all the LeBeau hate you’d think we had less than a #1 ranked Defense this year. Remember how everyone hated on our pass defense? and we went out and made it excellent (minus the playoff game). He does make game changes, and you can’t nitpick. Do you think Belichek is an awful coach, despite the fact that his team hasnt seen a Superbowl since 2007? (a jerk, sure, but most would say he’s pretty decent at coaching). Tomlin has carried us above and beyond, kept our flow going, and all we do is try to blame him, or vets, or LeBeau. It’s ridiculous, honestly. We’re acting like a bunch of crybabies who are upset that our favorite doll/ball got lost. It sucks, but we’ve got next year, and we need to have a bit more Steelerfaith:)
Again
Read it carefully and realize that I’m not asking to chop heads all over the place, I’m either asking for Tomlin to take more control and make more (and better) decisions, or for the coordinators to step down because I feel they have hurt the team as much as they’ve helped.
You can’t just blindly ignore the countless times over the last few years now that LeBeau has let opposing teams run wild in the 4th quarter. You can’t turn your head away from the car accident that is BA’s play calling sometimes.
Those coordinators have moments where they are brilliant and they shine. But when they don’t, I need to see that Tomlin can help them and at times tell them to stand back.
Most of us get your point Mechem...
…its just that, so soon after Denver, many are still in the reactionary mode, not the deliberation mode.
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One more post, to give you 100...
…I think the issue you raised, that I highlighted in the very first post, is far deeper, and more subtle than most may realize. Tomlin is on the cusp; the team is at a tipping point. How we draft, how we staff, and how Tomlin coaches (meaning guides the draft and staffing) will have a profound effect on the state of the Steelers for many years to come, and consequently, on how Tomlin is remembered as a HC.
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It's a great point
Definitely as the remnants of the Cowher era fade out (it’s so sad to watch Hines go away) Tomlin will have to make some tough decisions that ultimately will determine if we are to remain a contender or take a step backwards.
I’m sure Tomlin will be the coach here for a long time, and I’m ok with that as long as he continues to improve. You’re either moving forwards or backwards, there’s no holding still. Eventually The Ben won’t be here and the team will look totally different. I’m both excited and nervous to see that day, and I hope Tomlin can make us look at least as brilliant as we have in the last decade.
Ben
He is so important to this team, he really shapes the offense. I mean both Ben’s strengths and weaknesses can explain the character of the steelers offense. When he is gone, Tomlin and whomever the OC is will be able to completely reshape the O around a new QB, which is definitely exciting and super scary.
I definitely agree here.
Awhile back, I posted that, in my view, the jury is still out on Tomlin.
Lots of folks jumped on my case for saying this, as though I’d uttered forbidden words. So it’s good to read your post and your points are very well taken. After the way this season ended, and especially after some of the nebulous remarks MT made to the media following the Denver debacle, I’ve begun to seriously question whether he truly has a grip on this team.
It’s too easy to consider this season as mere bad luck and assume that everything will revert to form next season. But the Steelers might just as easily continue their downward spiral. If that happens and we’re still dealing with the Arians self-destruct offense, lots of people will be questioning MT’s leadership. But such is the nature of life for an NFL coach. And Pittsburgh fans aren’t necessarily known for their patience.
COACH TOMLIN
Fantastic Article! Great Analysis. I’ve had some of the same thoughts, especially on Vetoing BA or DLb. I’m Extremely Dis-Appointed (of course!) that the Coaching Staff weren’t able to make Adjustments at Half-Time. And, what is your Opinion on why Batch wasn’t in some or all of the game?
You like capital letters :)
But Batch shouldn’t have been in the playoff game at all. I would have used him for Cleveland though.
Only in the 'Burgh...
…would a 12-4 season be called “frustrating” or a “disaster”.
Only in the ’Burgh…would people question a head coach who has won 11 games a year and made the Super Bowl twice.
Only in the ‘Burgh…would people be calling for the DC’s head after having the #1 defense in the NFL (again).
Sheesh. I’m not picking on Mecham or anyone for their opinion, but I think we’re beyond just a little spoiled. If we don’t make the Super Bowl every year, we’re in a tizzy. Just for a gut check, Cowher made it only twice in 18 years of coaching.
Frankly, I think this season was one of the best coaching jobs I’ve ever seen for any team. We had a very tough schedule – fully half our games were against teams with winning records – and we finished 12-4 despite absolutely devastating injuries that would have crippled any team.
We lost our 2nd best OL before the start of the season and watched the rest of them drop like flies. At one point our entire starting OL consisted of 2nd stringers or worse. We were the only team to not have at least 1 lineman start in every game. It was a constant shuffle week-to-week.
The mid part of the season, we lost LBs left and right. Again, at one point, 3 of our 4 starters were out. One All-Pro (Woodley) was never right for most of the season. Harrison got suspended. Farrior was hurt.
Then towards the latter part of the season, we started losing everyone else. CBs. RBs. our starting QB. DLs. It got absurd.
Despite this, our team posted a 12-4 record…a major accomplishment given that record and those circumstances.
In our last playoff game, we had something like13 of our top 25 or so position players hurt or out – Ben, Mendy, Wallace, Sanders (#3 WR), Pouncey, Colon, Big Snack, Aaron Smith, Keisel, Woodley, Allen (#4 CB), Troy P and Clark. Of those, only Wallace and Troy were even close to full speed…the rest of them were like the walking wounded or out altogether. That we were in the game at all is a minor miracle.
So I have no qualms about the coaching or effort this season. Give those guys a major round of applause and let’s hope they can come back from those injuries in great shape for next year.
by Blackadar on Jan 13, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
though l agree
With the gist of your statement, many of the points Mechem makes are quite sensible. Clock management has been a huge issue for one.
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by stillergorillar on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Clock management may be an issue
But what I think others disapprove and disagree of with Mechems article is the overall tone towards Tomlin. And I’m sorry, calling for LeBeau’s scalp knocks every shred of integrity from anything else he mentioned. Period.
Like Blackadar said, “Only in Pittsburgh…”
But not all Steeler fans are so Chicken Little as Mechem. We ride through storms, minor deficiencies, and passing heartache knowing that we have less heartache than anyone else in the league.
Want to ride his nuts for time management issues? Look around the damn league. Look at the absolutely garbage that’s floating out there that would love the STeelers head coaching position, then look back at who we have guiding our ship.
If Mechem lusts for Jeff Fisher as head coach with Norv Turner as our O.C. and Greg Williams as our D.C., then go for it. Just don’t wear Black and Gold.
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I get
Where you are coming from and agree with the Lebeau sentiments, but I don’t think it is wrong to question some aspectss of the coaches or players.
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by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I feel you're misreading a lot of this
Is the overall tone a bit negative? Yeah it is. Because we all KNOW the positive factors and I still felt I approached them adequately. The important thing to me is to consider our future and where we’re headed.
Like it or not Lebeau is getting old, and he’s been far from perfect this season and in crucial moments recently. Age eventually gets to everyone and there’s just no way you can convince me that Lebeau at his age is as sharp as he was 20 years ago. He showed he could keep up with changing trends this year however.
My biggest issue with our entire coaching staff is the inability to modify things in the middle of the game. If our plan doesn’t work we seem to be lost until halftime. And if it’s after that we have to pray that Ben can deliver a win. This goes equally for Bruce as it does Dick. Dick floundered for 15 minutes and we gave up 20 points in a playoff game for it. He’s collapsed completely in the 4th quarter numerous times in the last few years.
Bruce seems like he has a script and the minute it gets thrown off track we can’t seem to recover.
I feel that Tomlin can be the man but he has to be able to either assert some control over his coordinators, and help them develop a gameplan that’s more effective, or he has to simply have a plan B when things don’t pan out.
To call me chicken little is asinine considering I’ve been on here for 4 seasons and have consistently backed our team and always provided a very even-keeled analysis.
I don’t lust for another coach, I lust for Tomlin to become a better coach.
Most of this I can agree with.
But this tone wasn’t in your original writing. And I think I take issue with people calling for Tomlin’s scalp. It seems to be heating up, and it makes me sick.
As for LeBeau, well of course he’s not as sharp as he was 20 years ago, but the bulk of his excellence in coaching has been in the last 10. He delivered a kick ass defense this year under the circumstances. No Harrison for essentially 7-8 games (back issues early, injury issue, suspension, sheesh…), Woodley, Timmons out of position, losing Hoke, Smith (yet again), it just didn’t seem to let up yet he juiced a full glass from this group. I thought his performance was inspiring.
Where I’m with you 100% is the in-game adjustments. Man, we can’t seem to adjust! We should be able to adjust mid-quarter, in my opinion. But too often we come out for the second half hoping Ben can pull it out. And so many times he has, so the issue hasn’t been highlighted as much, but it’s out there now.
LeBeau colloapsing…I agree the game plan vs. the Broncows was weak the first half, especially, but Dick doesn’t play the game. The players still could have played better, and they didn’t.
Arians. Script. Exactly…And Tomlin asserting control over the coordinators and laying down wood when he needs to, YES. He does need to improve there.
And four years is pretty much long enough to say anything, if people post often enough. I’ve been on here since 2005/2006, and been a fan since 1972/73. I’ve seen the eb and flow of different teams, isealogies, coaching staffs, coordinators, etc. And seeing all the coaches come and go over the years around the league, and the quality we have had in three men, I have to be pretty happy with what I see in Tomlin. He may have things to improve on, but so did Noll, and so did the Chin. I feel very confident that Tomlin is his own worst critic, and if he doesn’t see something, I’m very confident in the Rooney’s to be able to inform him of a deficiency.
I want him to be a better coach too, but it just seems like you were riding him way too hard.
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Only in the Burgh
Do we have six Lombardi’s. Want to know why? Because we refuse to accept sucky football, even for a single season. So actually your repetition of “only in the Burgh” is a point of pride in my view.
how is 12-4 with a team that at one point had backups starting at almost half the postions sucky football?
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
We had a good W/L record this season.
And I stated that Steeler fans refuse to accept sucky football—in general, not referring to any specific season. But even with our 12-4 season record, we had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL and quite a few of our wins were by the skin of our teeth. The last part of our season was pretty dismal and doesn’t bode very well for next season.
I don't think so
We didn’t win the first four Lombardi’s because we refused to accept sucky football. We won the first four because Noll drafted some great players who later bacame the Steel Curtain. We used to expect sucky football. Maybe after these four Lombardi’s expectations changed, but there was a huge dry spell between four and five. My experience is that the higher expectations have only come since Ben got here and only after we won number five.
by Norcal_Roxy on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you
Loud and clear.
It’s just frustrating to see a team not live up to its potential. 12-4 is great, 0-1 in the postseason is not. What good is 12-4 when it only gets you a 5th seed and knocked out by an 8-8 team in shameful fashion?
It’s appropriate to address recurring issues. Just because we’re winning doesn’t mean you can turn a blind eye to the problems that lie underneath the shimmer of success.
You brought up injuries, which were obviously a huge part of our problem this year. But again, who was responsible for some of those situations? Maybe if Tomlin would tell Harrison to ‘behave’ instead of applauding his play (even though Harrison is the boss) he wouldn’t have cracked his eye socket on a H2H collision, and may not have been suspended.
If Ben is rested sooner maybe we don’t miss those wide open TDs against Denver.
When you stop asking questions, you stop learning.
Harrison wasn't hurt by the way he played, he was hurt by another player.
Wow…your logic and sense of revisionist history are disturbing.
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It goes beyond this year
He’s been getting punished for 3 years now. Finally he seems to be obeying the rules because he got suspended, but why couldn’t he change without Goodell’s ‘help’?
I never said he caused the collision I just said he was injured on one. Still you have to sense that his general attitude has been negligent towards the rules and perhaps if he was trying to avoid H2H contact altogether instead of trying to skirt the borders of the rules all the time he’d have been safer.
I personally hate the fact that he has to change his game, but like it or not he does and that should be the HC’s responsibility.
I have to side 100% with Harrison, regardless of "The Man" laying down the law.
Problem Harrison and so many other players have with Goodell is that he layer down the law mid-season last year. That was just plain foolish. And I am absolutely disgusted at Goodell and the NFL for touting “player safety” andy seeming to care about the players. They honestly don’t. Nothing can change my mind about that until they shelf two games of the pre-season AND drop their pipe dream of adding two more games to the regular season, which they are hell-bent on doing.
Also, Harrison has, without question, been targeted unfairly by Goodell, and been made his poster boy. I’m not a conspiracy theorist; heck the talking heads on TV and radio are echoing that sentiment as well, so I’m far from alone there. Ryan Clark has even intimated that as well.
For more than 16 games, this “monster,” this “unchangeable beast,” James Harrison the incorrigible brute, was not penalized in a single game. A 16 game span. Where does that smack of “not getting it,” and needing to obey Roger’s creeds and commandments? Dude did right, adjusted his game, and then what happens in the playoff game vs. the Broncos? He legally hits Decker in the one place he can hit him, that Goodell has basically whittled down to as the one place that’s truly legal and you simply cannot get fined….and takes Decker out. What did people say after that? Harrison can’t/won’t change, he’s a monster, he has no soul, he’s dirty." He DID change!
That’s what pisses me off. He isn’t “finally obeying the rules because he got suspended,” as you stated. He’s BEEN obeying the rules.
Want to talk rules? Offensive holding anyone? Harrison would back me on that one.
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He hadn't been flagged in 16 games for a H2H hit
that doesn’t include his four week “vacation” for taking one himself from an OL
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Really can't disagree with you more, Mechem
It’s maybe veiled as “asking questions,” but the main thrust wasn’t a set of questions, just criticism.
Can we be critical? Of course, it’s our right as fans.
Should we be critical, to the point of merely giving a first-time head coach a passing grade for a nearly 70% winning percentage, 3 division titles, two Super Bowl appearance, one Super Bowl title, and transitioning into a position only two men had held before him, both adored wildly….one who had been coach of the Steelers before Tomlin was even conceived…
And you want to nit pick? Really? Having areas to improve in is one thing. Acknowledging them is fair. But in my estimation, Tomlin owes us nothing. He’s outperformed his expectations already. If you want to say you saw this success coming before he was hired, I’ll call that load of crap what it is.
As for Arians and LeBeau…I’m no Arians apologist. With our offense, we should be able to scheme and get the ball into playmakers hands much more often than we do. It’s that simple. Arian’s has been asked to behave already, he hasn’t, he needs to go.
But LeBeau? Please. Wow. You’re freakin’ nuts. Absolutely asinine. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you should be aware that your opinion shapes people’s perspective of you. My perspective is that you are choosing the absolute wrong time to write a level-headed assessment of anything so soon after a loss like the one we just suffered, and that if you stick to your assessment six months from now, you truly are not someone I will be clicking on to read any article you write. Sorry. My assessment. I won’t be waiting six months though. I have to start now not reading & responding to your articles, they just rile me up. And on this board, that’s not the aim… Again, just my opinion.
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LeBeau
I plan on writing a poast about how his defense has been great on paper but lacking in critical moments. This is merely a disturbing trend that I feel is worth pointing out. This is not the place nor the time, thats another post and another day.
And what in the hell do you mean when you say
the absolute wrong time to write a level-headed assessment of anything
So you agree my assessment is level headed but at the wrong time? Would you please kindly tell me when enough time has passed for me to make such an assessment? Or do you mean to say I can’t provide such an assessment after a sad loss?
The thing that kills me here is you can’t even acknowledge a single one of my points as valid. It’s great to have faith in our FO and believe in Tomlin. I do, really. I just feel that as members of a site based on discussion of our football team its our duty to fully examine every aspect of said football team. Failure to do so defeats the purpose of this site.
If you think Tomlin is beyond criticism please write your own post.
I plan on writing a poast about how his defense has been great on paper but lacking in critical moments.
good idea, but I hope you take into account in your poast how the offense has failed in numerous occasions to put up the necessary points to put games out of reach and not rely on the defense to make stops in critical moments year after year.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I have acknowledged some of your points as valid.
And what the hell I mean by “The absolute wrong time to write a level-headed assessment of anything” is just that: Right after a devastating loss like that is not the right time. So, stretch that out a little, go MENSA all over it, you can probably deduce my opinion would be to wait a little until the dust settles and the ability to think straight has returned. Much like that letter to your girlfriend, boss, coworker, etc., that you write and want to shoot right off to them, the best thing to do EVERY time is put it under your pillow and sleep on it. Cooler heads will prevail, common sense will return. Because after a loss like that, not many think straight.
Thats’ “What the hell” I meant.
Andn Tomlin isn’t beyond criticism. Where did I say that? I was disagreeing with your attitude towards his weak points. He has them. Great. But it sure seems, from your posts (and not just this one) that you’re sour on him. My attitude is go like another team, then. He’s the best coach in the league, in my opinion. Name ONE coach you would rather have that would be better in the ’Burgh.
I don’t think you want another coach. I can tell you don’t. I took issue with the tone of your piece. As for your points being addressed, I think that when I do post, I address a hell of a lot more points than some.
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Tomlin and OC
Could it be that Tomlin doesn’t have enough offensive background to know when the BA/Ben alliance are making bad decisions? Perhaps he needs a stronger OC to help coach him up on the offence for a few year so he has a better grasp of clock management and when the offensive scheme has some major flaws.
Having said that, I still think a healthy and cohesive OL would have worked wonders for the performance of the offence this season.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions
Come on Cold
Tomlin played WR in college. The man is not blind.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
I am just considering possibilities
Playing WR doesn’t mean he has the same grasp of the rhythm and flow of an NFL offence. He would certainly have more of an understanding than I would (not very difficult) but I don’t know if it would be as automatic or intuitive as it would be for someone who has worked in NFL offences for several years.
BTW: This isn’t BA hate. As I have said before, I don’t think BA is terrible. I just wonder if we need a better OC to take full advantage of the offensive talent we have.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 13, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Tomlin deserves more credit than:
Perhaps he needs a stronger OC to help coach him up on the offence for a few year so he has a better grasp of clock management and when the offensive scheme has some major flaws.
But before I go further, who are you refering to with the “he” in that statement?
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Tomlin
And I love the guy but no one is perfect (especially me). If he is going to be our HC for another 15 years, he needs to keep polishing his skills. I was just trying to come up with a way to accomplish it.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 14, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ok
My first response to your original comment, was at best, poor. I apologize for that.
I just see it differently. I don’t think that Tomlin fails to recognize the offensive and time management issues. I think he is far too intelligent for that.
Tomlin spent 5 years as DB coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and 1 year as defense coordinator of the Vikings. I think he’d have to understand offense, to successfully coach defense for 6 years. Add 5 years as a head coach for us, and it’s safe to say, that he has a complete understanding of NFL offenses.
I think the fault for our offensive issues, is the unwavering loyalty that Tomlin has for his coaches.
Unwavering loyalty, just another ingredient that makes Mike Tomlin.
"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
Loyalty
That is a good point. It something the Rooneys possess as well.
I agree that Tomlin recognizes the deficiencies, I am just trying to think of how he will go about addressing them (which I believe he will attempt).
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 14, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Coaches
I have two problems with Coach Tomlin.He let’s Ben make the decision to play when he had no business being on the field.It was embarressing to watch Ben limping off the field time and again.Coach should have put Charlie Batch in regardless of what Ben said.
2)When you have a game well in hand why not let Batch and Dixon take some snaps?Instead of them just sittin on the bench especially Dixon that needs to learn more than just a short list of plays.
Let Tomlin coach.
His decision to attempt to get the 2nd seed was vindicated when we lost after not getting a bye. Yes, we had starters injured, but you can’t say that may not have happened in quarter #1 of any playoff game.
Tomllin knew something apparently that many of you who so vociferously opposed his decision to play Ben, etc., knew. And that was, without that bye, it didn’t matter how damn healthy we were in that 5th/6th seed.
He was right. Quit riding his ass about it.
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How was he right?
So you’re saying regardless of our status we were screwed as the 5 seed? That doesn’t make any sense at all.
If he had given Ben the rest he needed against the Browns he probably would have been much better against the Broncos.
We had just whooped the Rams with Charlie Batch. Why play Ben against the Browns? It was a bad decision and there’s just no way you can look at the outcome and say it was the right call.
Hey Mechem...
It’s absolutely the wrong time to be level-headed or to make any assertions and back them up with facts !!
“58” obviously doesn’t want to hear any of this, especially not now. Don’t argue with him, it won’t make any difference what you say… the fact that you are saying something critical is enough to prove that you are wrong…..
There are two things which occurred late this season which undeniably occurred and which are very much legitimate to discuss/analyze/debate:
1) Ben Roethlisberger played vs SF and Cleveland while already hurt.
2) The Steelers #1 ranked defense gave up 300+ yards passing to Tim Tebow.
Given that the Steelers were already locked into the playoffs, the decision to play BB in 2 of the last 3 games is very questionable.
Given that Tebow’s ability as a passer are so limited, one must question the tactics employed throughout the game vs the Broncos – how can you not? Throwing a ball to a receiver who is running away from all defenders is the easiest type of throw. Fitting the ball between defenders left/right and high/low requires much more accuracy, confidence and competence as a QB.
If you saw the SF-NO game, how can you not question NO’s DC Gregg Williams and his decision to continue blitzing SF while up by 3 and less than a minute remaining? The Saints lost the game in regulation by allowing SF the opportunity to win on the big play. To think that this tactic had nothing to do with them losing is to admit you know nothing about the game of football. It is also a big reason that Gregg Williams is no longer the DC at New Orleans.
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The Saints lost the game in regulation by allowing SF the opportunity to win on the big play
I thought NO lost that game by spotting SF 13 points off of turnovers?
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Apples and Oranges
The coaches didn’t decide to spot SF any points. Physical mistakes leading to turnovers is beyond the coaches’ control. The fumble by Pierre Thomas came after a brutal, H2H hit where he was knocked out of the game. Drew Brees made a mistake in judgment throwing a pass which led to an INT.
The N.O. DC/coaching staff made the conscious decision to blitz and expose their secondary to one on one coverage at the very end of the game. There was no need to do this – they were winning, not losing the game.
Likewise, LeBeau exposed his secondary at a point where he didn’t have to, he chose to. Tomlin exposed BB to more contact in games they did not need to win.
Debating the merits of these decisions is perfectly appropriate given how they factored into losing these games.
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I wasn't being argumentative...
…I didn’t see the whole game.
Its interesting that (1) two famed defensive coaches get burned by their choice of strategy, especially late in the games, and (2) Williams made his “rep” on being aggressive, made his choice in the SF game which came back to bite him, then suddenly becomes named as the likely choice as DC for the Rams.
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by PaVaSteeler on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It was a really good game, SF played incredibly well
and the Saints had a chance to win in regulation after being outplayed for the majority of the game.
Williams has done this before and probably will again. He apparently has a good relationship with Fischer and will be hired in St. Louis. I think Fischer may overrule if that scenario comes up again…
As far as Le Beau and his strategy – he obviously had his reasons but it didn’t work too well. My issue with what they did is that they got burned early in the game and kept getting burned, ultimately giving up the TD in OT. I also didn’t like the way Harrison was repeatedly burned by Tebow on the zone read. He looked like he tried to play both players and ended up playing no one properly.
The Steelers were running out of players and weren’t going anywhere beyond Denver from the looks of things. Some of the same old problems reared their ugly heads:
Poor in-game adjustments
Inability to score TDs in red zone
Bad DB play
BB getting sacked at critical moment … and they lost a game which was definitely within their ability to win.
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Franz, I never said he couldn't say anything critical.
One of my main issues was his timing. I am critical of Tomlin as well, I just don’t feel the need to air them, especially right after a loss like that. That’s all. I respect your posts. I just don’t like Mechem’s. Maybe it comes down to that a little as well, who knows, I’m only human.
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So we whooped Girl Scout Troop #5 from St. Louis with out backup. That’s impressive how?
Funny thing is, I’ve been watching football and following the Steelers probably longer than you’ve been alive, and I’m not mentally retarded nor have brain damage. So, there IS a way I can look at it and say it was the right call. Because it’s all about opinion at this stage, and you can’t seem to accept others have one that differs from yours.
Franz is right. I don’t want to hear your crap. You annoy me, personally.
So agree to disagree, or whatever the hell you want to insert there. Argue with someone else, I have my opinions and I’m sticking with them.
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Well, it's human to react at the time of disappointment
I would still stick to my arguments for the most part regarding the coaching staff for the Steelers. I have my own hang-ups and preferences like anyone. Since I have been coaching HS football for 25 years, I like to think I know something about the game. I also will tell you that the game is ever-evolving and that there is much to know, especially at the college and pro levels. The longer you coach, the more you need to know. After 5 years, you think you know something. After 10 years, you find out you don’t know so much !! The great coaches incorporate specific knowledge of offensive and defensive schemes while recognizing player strengths/weaknesses, instilling confidence, continuing work on fundamentals and having a knack for making the tough decisions in crunch time.
These guys are good football coaches but some of what they do is baffling from the standpoint of fundamental strategy and tactics given what you have and what is happening in front of your face. One thing which I think may hurt the Steelers is the fact that both coordinators and the HC are on the sidelines. It is really hard not to be on the sidelines when you coach – most guys don’t want to be up in the box. You miss the “feel” of the game, the noise, the connection to your players, the overwhelming emotion. But that is also a reason to be upstairs in a more quiet and controlled environment. The press box view gives a coordinator a more pure view of what is happening schematically and offers the chance to adjust to the big picture. I would say that is especially so as an offensive coordinator. Having a subordinate coach interpolate these things and convey them via the headset can be difficult at times. You only need one bad X’s and O’s situation to expose your team to disaster. Your advantages and weaknesses are easier to see and react to from that vantage point.
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How to get over the "can't beat any out-of-conference AFC teams" hurdle
To be totally honest with you I’ve read your argument but I have to agree. But its not all on Mike Tomlin. Honestly I think he’s playing cover up for our deeper issues. Not being one to divulge all of the problems with our franchise, I think he is just pushing the blame away from whats really goin on. Mike Tomlin is an awesome coach because he allows his players to grow. Thats why so many people love playing for him. I mean his motto is if they can play they’ll play. Thats pretty cut and dry. We dont have a cohesion problem in the Steelers we just need to realize when its time to play play to win. Blow out weak teams keep the foot on the gas and honestly we need a better OC to do this. Our offense is not where it needs to be and if Bruce Arians doesn’t have an answer then we need Mike Tomlin to step in. Its really annoying to see Bruce Arians call these weak plays and watch them get swallowed up. Honestly I dont think the man has it. Ben owns this offense and we all know it. Those cool deep bombs to Wallace early in the season, Ben openly stated he called those plays they arent even in the playbook. Just “Mike Go Deep.” We are WAY TOO STACKED at our skill positions to have a conservative OC at the helm. We need to go west coast in 2012 and thats the bottom line. Our defense is stout but Dick needs to realize this aint the days where the Blitzburgh D will work all the time. Teams are catchin on man and we aren’t adapting. I say play the 4 CB nickle as a pass defense putting our 4 strongest D backs on the field against these pass happy offenses. Leave Troy free to roam with 3 LBs and 3 pass rushing line men. Keep the 3-4 for those run heavy offenses (who probably are fading into the west coast style anyway) and build up our defensive confidence by attacking the ball like the Packers and increasing takeaways. Thats how we can get over the “can’t beat out-of-conference AFC teams” hurdle.
by infantry1blue BlacknYellow on Jan 15, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions
Good Points All
I feel both Mechem and Fifty-Eight have valid points that merit consideration but I have to say that comparing Tomlin to Cowher becomes quite simple, just look at the results. Cowher won 1 SB in 18 seasons and suffered multiple crushing defeats in home playoff/AFC championship games.
Cowher was a damn fine coach who worked a system of defense and conservative offense to consistently win.
IMHO Tomlin is a better coach who has capitalized on being placed in a tremendous organization with tremendous players. 5 years in, and 3 division titles, 2 conference championships, and 1 SB ring speak for themselves. Game over. Thanks for playing Coach Cowher.
Sure he needs to bcome better at several key things:
- clock managment
- Big Ben and Bruce need to improve or be seperated. Almost any professional quaterback, in today’s game, can wing it around the field in between the 20s. But inside the redzone is a product of anticipation, scheme, and QB comprehension. We struggle to score red zone Touchdowns. Ben is not improving year to year, little things are not improved in the offseason with our franchise QB. Ben go five wide and scamble around until someone gets open will work from 20 to 20, and give you an occassional 20-30 yard touchdown pass. But this is not or should not be an offensive gameplan. Running the ball is a mindset, Tomlin needs to instill this. Not because it’s how we have always done things, but because it is necessary to win games against good teams. Ben needs to be coached hard. And if he is not receptive to constructive coaching (read progression, clock management, field position, the beauty of simple play-action, and so-on.) then this problem needs to be exposed and dealt with.
- Agree with Mechem that James Harrison has almost rendered himself useless. The repated hits are one thing, but the insulting of the commissioner in a national publication was assinine. He will only get the most flagrant of holding penalties called in his favor for the rest of his career. He will be suspended again for a helmet to helmet hit as soon as the league can do it. 2-3 years, he will be out of the league. What good is an outside linebacker who can’t get to the QB b/c the opposing team is allowed to hold him, and if he does make it to the QB he better tiptoe on arrival. Tomlin could’ve/should’ve nipped all this in the bud for the good of James Harrison’s career, the defense as a whole, and collateral damage it will continue to cause.
The draft is a group effort Tomlin can’t be blamed for that, LeBeau has 1 stinker every 2 years, otherwise he’s lights out. Some people want Whiz or Russ even to this day, Mike T got the job, (Not b/c of the Rooney Rule) and has proven to be an excellect choice by the best ownership in the NFL.
Spend some time check Jeff Fisher’s, Mike Shanahan’s, Pete Carroll’s, Gary Kubiak’s, and Andy Reid’s records in their 1st 5 years. Look at how Mike McCarthy and the Pack were dismissed today with more talent than last year. Look how Mike Smith continues to throw up his skirt every playoff game. Bellicheat won his 1st playoff game in 4 years last night.
Mike Tomlin is a leader of men, and championship coach
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interesting stuff
From Mecham and most all the commenters. I think that in-game adjustments are a subject where improvements can be made, along with some in-game decisions (e.g. challenges). Recalling that 2007 playoff game and the 2 point conversions. Remember that one was attempted from the 7 yd line after a false start? Ugh.
But one thing I seem to have noticed is a definite difference between road games and home games, a greater difference than I would expect. In the 2010 season, after the Saints loss (in N.O.), Ben remarked that he wasn’t prepared for the noise. It’s a dome and you are playing the defending champs, and you are a team people want to beat, because of the name. And you are not prepared for the noise?
Regarding his hiring, I remember some talk that Cowher had checked out mentally near the end of the 2006 season, and that neither Whiz nor Grimm stepped up in a way that you might expect, and that may have cost them in the Rooneys’ eyes. That could be total baloney, I don’t know.
But although one should be always looking to improve, and I think Tomlin has room to grow, I think he’s a terrific HC and am glad he’s here.
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how much more can it be said?
i have complained about b.a. offensive crap for 3 years. is the nation really only noticing it now? the new england game this year was an combination of two philosophies and it worked to a charm. i thought that if they stay to this attack they would be unstoppable. BUT NO!!!!! THE VERY NEXT GAME THE OMING ON EVERY DOWN. THAT WHY BEN GETS HURT, THATS WHY THE O-LINE GETS BANGED UP, THAT IS WHY YOU DON*T SCORE MORE IN THE RED ZONE. GROW UP FOR ### SAKE!!!! YOU ARE WASTING A TON OF TALENT AND THIS TEAM COMPARED TO EVERYONE ELSE IN THE PLAYOFFS (EXCEPT HOUSTON) LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY HAS 3 GEARS…. GET RID OF B.A. OR TOMLIN YOUR TIME IS SHORT.
Good post...
I agree with most of it, disagree with some of it. I don’t think you give Tomlin enough credit for winning the SB in 2008. Many NFL coaches have failed to win a SB with talented rosters. Tomlin did a great job that season.
If Tomlin wants to win me over he can start by asking BA and LeBeau to retire
I completely disagree with asking LeBeau to retire. Aside from the Denver game (when Clark didn’t play, Woodley was not close to 100% and Hampton and Keisel were both hurt in the 1Q), he still did a great job in leading the #1 Defense in scoring and yardage (albeit against a very weak schedule.) LeBeau can still coach. He made the Patriots offense look bad this year and that rarely ever happens.
Arians, on the other hand, MUST go. The offense continues to look confused and inept. They are mistake-prone and CANNOT score in the red zone. In the Denver game they failed to score a TD in the 1Q while Denver couldn’t even manage a 1st down. There was an interception where Ben/Heath Miller (two experience veterans) didn’t seem to be on the same page and they failed to score at the end of regulation in what should have been the game winning FG drive.
I no longer blame Arians for the offensive failures— if he coaches next season the blame must fall on Tomlin for still keeping him on the staff.
Offensive issues ...
Does anyone else think that a small part of it may be that we had the youngest starting offense in the AFC this year? That Ben was our oldest offensive player on many snaps?
That’s right, younger than the Texans, the Bungles, the Broncos, the Brownies, the Patriots, etc. Despite the fact that BA and Ben have been together for a few years, the Young Money Crew has not – and let’s not even start on our OL continuity, or lack thereof.
Offensive consistency comes when you have a group of players who have been together in the same system for awhile. You think Green Bay got good overnight? They have a QB and WRs who have been together for years with the same offensive system. Jennings and Nelson and Jones and Driver know exactly how and when Rodgers is going to deliver the ball to them. Wallace, Brown, Cotchery, and Sanders are comparatively still learning. How many throws did we see go errant this season because the timing was off just a little?
Hopefully injuries and time will let this crew grow and mature into what could be one of the best offenses in the league. But to expect it to happen overnight just because Brown, Wallace, and Sanders show flashes of brilliance is a bit silly.
every year there’s a new excuse to give Arians a pass for failing to put up points. I don’t buy that they were “too young” because Arians, Roethlisberger, Wallace, Ward, Miller, Mendenhall and Moore have all been working together long enough by now.
At some point Arians has to be held accountable. In Tomlin’s 5 years here the Defense is always #1 or #2 in scoring. But the offense has never even cracked the top 10. 22nd this year is awful and inexcusable especially considering how easy their schedule was.
by Dr. Spaceman on Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Arians, Roethlisberger, Wallace, Ward, Miller, Mendenhall and Moore
The problem with this statement is, Ward wasn’t even the fourth option most of the year, Miller had to help block a lot, and Moore does nothing, ever.
Wallace was doing fine before the injuries to Ben.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Two things ....
Notice how much older the defense is, and how much longer those guys have played together?
Also our schedule was largely easy because most of the bad teams had terrible offenses. Look at the scoring defenses we played, though – only three finished out of the top 15.
Baltimore 2x – 3rd best scoring defense
Seattle – 7th
Indy – 28th
Houston – 4th
Cleveland 2x – 5th
Cincy 2x – 9th
Tennessee – 8th
KC – 12th
SF – 2nd
STL – 26th
AZ – 17th
+5 ;)
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