BTSC Steelers Six Pack: Remember When Edition
by Michael Bean on Feb 14, 2012 3:27 PM EST
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PrintIX - Sean Conboy, who writes for Pittsburgh Magazine, weighs in with a nice feature commentary on the hiring of Todd Haley as the new offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and why fans should not be worried about any potential beef between he and Ben Roethlisberger.
X - Dermontti Dawson has always been a great interview. Now he gets to conduct an interview as a soon-to-be Hall of Famer. The longtime standout center for the Steelers will be enshrined in Canton this coming summer.
XIII - What do you think? Will Jerricho Cotchery receive a multi-year contract offer from the Pittsburgh Steelers? Is his future with the six-time Super Bowl champions directly related to the future of Hines Ward? I'm not sure they need to be necessarily because I think the Steelers will prove to be cautious with investing in Emmanuel Sanders in the long run, and because you never know how expensive Mike Wallace might prove to be on the open market.
XIV - It was before my time, or at least before professional football was a regular part of my life, but before there was Hard Knocks, HBO had a football show called 1st & 10 that ran for six seasons. The series was not a documentary franchise though.
This show ran on HBO for six seasons, starting in 1984. Since the whole collection only cost $5.99 on Amazon, I figured I would take a look and maybe there would be something there, you know? Not something as in "secretly changed television forever"-to reiterate, this is a show about a Pro Football team called the California Bulls starring Delta Burke and O.J. Simpson and a pre-Crypt Keeper John Kassir and pre-Law and Order: Sex Creeps Christopher Meloni-but maybe something like how Patton Oswalt recommended this show with the brother from Everybody Loves Raymond that ran on FOX for a few years, ‘Til Death, because it got entertainingly weird in later years, possibly because the writers knew the show was doomed.
Who remembers this?
XL - The article was published over the weekend, but do you agree with the authors at Grantland who posited that the slow but steady death of football is upon us? I must say, I agree, and though I can't search through the site's archives to find the link, I remember writing (in less detail or as creatively) two years ago that we were experiencing the beginning of the end of football, as we know it, as research about the lasting impacts associated with repeated head trauma began piling up.
XLIII - In the event that violence continues to be regulated out of the game, might as well enjoy the physical, bone-crunching hits that make us both cringe and cheer while we can.
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Glad to see you back writing :)
I remember “1st & 10,” although I didn’t see much of it. We didn’t have a lot of time to watch tv, and we couldn’t afford all the cable channels.
I saw the Grantland piece this week. Pretty crappy if you ask me. The piece was excellently done; hated the message though.
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 14, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ahhhh….1st and 10. Yeah I remember that show and remember being told by my parents very clearly I was never allowed to watch it.
My dad snored like a downshifting semi truck, so when I heard that, I’d go downstairs and turn it on. I don’t think I even want to know how cheesy it really was, but yeah, I may end up giving that a viewing.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 14, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Michael
I hope you didn’t end up spending $5.99 on the 1st & 10 series. It was absolutely horrible, low budget, and nowhere near the quality of future HBO Productions. I think that’s why the price is so low on Amazon.
That show was made in the 80s! What do you expect from a production standpoint?
Freakin’ Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds is a main character for cripessake!
by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
AHHH the 80s
I remember parts of the 80s. Thinks that were on late at night that I wasnt really supposed to watch ha ha 1st and 10. It was a great time to be a Teenager ha ha
As that video reminds me
there is only so much football you can take out of football. These are physical specimens moving at a high rate of speed and sometimes accidents happen. It’s kinda like pro wrestling, you can only make it so safe but at the end of the days humans are the ones that are executing the moves and sometimes mistakes happen.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
I like Cotchery
I absolutely would hate to lose Ward, but Cotchery seems like a real quality guy to have who’s happy with a minimized role. Not to mention, he’s as solid as a number 4 receiver can be, and really seemed to build a connection with Ben towards the end of the season. Dream scenario is we keep both players, but I don’t see it happening.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Feb 14, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Keeping the Cotch
I would love to keep Cotch and Hines but it will all depend on what can be done with the salary cap.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh, the Ngata hit on Spinthenfall and Jarrett Johnson’s hit on Ward will always have a place in my heart…
"Picture Me Rollin"
One of the better OLB in the league. He is to our defense what Aaron Smith was to yours.
"Picture Me Rollin"
good for about 6 games a year?
nyuk nyuk nyuk
One of the better OLB in the league
lol
He is to our defense what Aaron Smith was to yours.
lol
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I wouldn't exactly say one of the better OLB in the league
but he’s pretty good at what he does
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know. But hey, as long as you keep it vague and generic and just say “one of the better” I guess you can’t be wrong.
The real issue is comparing him in any way to Aaron Smith. I don’t remember Johnson having any ten year period where he was the most (or close to the most) dominant at his position.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I wasn’t going to say he is one of the BEST OLB in the league, but one of the better ones (which is a difference IMO). He has been maybe our most reliable player on our defense the last few seasons.
I don’t remember Johnson having any ten year period where he was the most (or close to the most) dominant at his position.
I don’t remember Smith doing so either, because Ngata has been the best 3-4 RDE in the league the last 4 years.
"Picture Me Rollin"
but one of the better ones
Yes, I understand that you didn’t say he is one of the best. But what does “one of the better” mean really? He’s somewhere a little above the middle of the pack?
I don’t remember Smith doing so either, because Ngata has been the best 3-4 RDE in the league the last 4 years.
I’d say two years on that, but even if three, I obviously wasn’t talking about Smith in recent terms. From 2000 till 2008, so not quite 10 years.
Johnson is not to your defense what Smith was to ours.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
He’s somewhere a little above the middle of the pack?
I would think so.
Johnson is not to your defense what Smith was to ours.
And what I meant by that was a player who is good at their job and gets little to no notoriety for it. I wasn’t saying Smith was one of the best at his position like Smith was, but rather that he has performed very, very well for us and is talked about rarely, much like Smith was for that time frame.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Pro Football Focus (one of the most in depth football analytical sites out there and one that a few people here have referred to regularly as their argument) said this about Johnson.
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1. Jarret Johnson, Baltimore Ravens
Even though he’s top of this list, you wonder sometimes if Johnson is a little miscast in how the Ravens use him. A truly elite linebacker who is unmatched in run defense, Johnson has never (nor can you imagine him becoming) a player who puts the quarterback under consistent pressure. But, he’s a huge part of one of the greatest run defenses in the league, and has finished with our highest grade among 4-3 OLBs in run defense for two of the past three years.
Grade: +50.2
"Picture Me Rollin"
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe Jarrett Johnson is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by Taz101 on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
must b a raven fan
you,re on the wrong site , unless you like leaving messages for fans of a real team That has 6 rings , Say hello to ray lewis for me (NOT)
he is a Ravens fan
He is also a regular here.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
We welcome fans from other teams to this site. What we don’t welcome is the use of “nyah nyah our team won 6 super bowls and yours didn’t” level of debate.
Step up your game
I don’t mind it. I find it funny that some people here who weren’t even alive for those Superbowls think it holds relevance to what your team has done in recent years. I can see bragging about your 05’ and 08 success, but what occurred almost 40 years ago? Congrats to your franchise on that, but it seems like a poor reason for why your team is all world in THIS day and age.
"Picture Me Rollin"
It has everything to do with it
Those four laid the ground work for the other two. In fact who knows if we even get the other two if we never got the four. Think about it
If the Steelers never had the four, then they may not have been so patient with Cowher, heck they may not have been patient with Noll, changed coaches and who knows where we’d be now.
So yes, those 4 rings are the heart and sold, our foundation, that we built off of to be the best franchise in the NFL since the merger.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that, but it is almost as if the Steelers ever went 6-10 or 5-11 for some reason and a fan of an opposing team said “YOUR TEAM SUCKED ASS THIS YEAR” than your fans would just say “we got 6 rings.”
"Picture Me Rollin"
You know how you like to generalize about our fan base and make assumptions that can’t possibly be proven. (Like saying people making fun of the Gatorade showers are only doing it because it was the Ravens yadda yadda). Well, I’m going to do that now, but it is going to actually be true. If your team (or any team that thinks it’s irrelevant now) were the ones with the hardware, it would be way different. The “this day and age” thing is something you came up with on your own. I don’t think anyone thinks “hey, we’ve won six, so we’re the best team right now”. I could almost guarantee it. However, having six makes our team the most successful franchise in the Super Bowl era. How does that ever become irrelevant?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Death of football
I would expect the NFL to move to that military grade helmet if their cash cow is threatened. It may not stop the death of the sport, but that much money talks in big political circles.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 14, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My brother played basketball at Point Park back in the early 70’s for Jerry Conboy. When I saw the name of the author of the article in Pittsburgh Magazine I checked to see if they were related. It turns out Sean Conboy is Jerry Conboy’s grandson. To borrow from Peter King, that is probably a factoid that may interest only me.
Means more to you than to me
But nonetheless, connections like that are always interesting
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by barnerburner on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
One of Hi5's aliases iirc
I’m not saying it’s been awhile but the thought that Neal had done him in and usurped his position in the manner of leadership change for a military junta of a small and easily forgotten nation.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 15, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Conboy article was great
“HaleyBerger” — love it!
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by Blount Trauma on Feb 14, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sounds to me like Cotchery will be back
When you have two sides that are interested, they usually figure out a way to make it work.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 14, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions
Great
now draft Stephen Hill in the 6th round. :P We’d be set at WRs
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
1st and 10
Wow that is a blast from the past. I used to watch that show and if I remember right didn’t their helmets have a strong resemblance to the Texans?
I remember 1st & 10, though never watched
There was another show, short-lived, and a little too close to reality called Playmakers. The NFL bullied the show off the air, go figure. Check it out, not the greatest production, but overall a very good watch.
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by TVsCHACHI on Feb 15, 2012 5:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So many political failures in the creation of that show…they could have kept it on the air, but they jammed every single negative stereotype about players into the first (short) season. I’m not even sure where else it could have gone.
I forget which real player it was, but there was a rumor he had a teammate go buy and deliver him crack at halftime. They did that one, and blended it with the gay character. The owner (of course) sent a photographer to follow him around, and got him on film buying and delivering crack.
He used that to leverage the gay player into accepting being placed on the IR for being gay. Oh, that was just after it was announced he made the Pro Bowl. So the ruthlessly competitive owner is so anti-gay, he refuses to allow a Pro Bowl player to play.
All in all, just way too dramatic for my tastes. Not enough about the game, too much about the off-field incidents. Remember the scene where the limited athletically white linebacker challenges the Michael Vick-clone quarterback to a game of sandlot football outside a bar? Yeah…that’s pretty lame.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
Not that this is a huge issue, but they caught the guy just off the regular security cameras at the stadium. And the Vick clone was the challenger in that game.
But as for the show, I never really looked at it that way (jamming every negative stereotype) but that’s a good point. I can sort of see why they’d do that though, that’s what people are interested in. I kind of thought it was a little cheesy, but good enough, and it’s about an interesting topic, so I watched it all. Maybe it was too extreme, but a lot of shows/movies about football are extreme the other way.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I was curious, so I looked up some stuff on the show. I’m sure you are going to be shocked to find this out, but Ray Lewis didn’t like it. “the show is nothing about us”. I find that funny, because I was sure the part where the RB’s friends shot someone was about him. Of course, they couldn’t have people getting stabbed, it would be too obvious.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
thats a terrible story
about not allowing the gay guy to play football
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
That show had some crazy stories all right. The problem (what Neal mentioned) is it’s worst case scenarios are over abundant. But, unlike in real life, where all those things are either true or could be, those guys are all on the same team, not spread across the league.
IIRC the reason the owner wanted him IR’d and planned to let him go is because the guys boyfriend was threatening to go public or something.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Nice Cotchery article link...
They took Santonio from us, look what’s happened? And reading the Jets fans comments they seem really unhappy that Cotch was released by the Jets…
As a fan, it’s impossible to not like a guy like Cotchery. You barely hear from him unless he’s doing something good on the field. I think that allows us to give him a free pass in every regard.
Why are we so amped up to give him an extension? He’d likely be our 4th receiver if he is signed. He caught 16 passes last year. I’m still not even sure they’re going to offer him anything. They’ve already said they will not offer contracts to any of their free agents until the free agency period. That means they’re going to let him test the market. The only reason they would do that is because he wants to see if he can get more elsewhere. We’re a fall-back option for him.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
Why are we so amped up to give him an extension?
Quality depth is huge on a team. That’s why the Bus was so valuable his last couple years. He couldn’t carry the load for an entire season, but he could still spot start and dominate a game against the league’s top defense in 2005.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 15, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
It is Not Really the Same
The Bus gave depth and more importantly IMHO options. Bettis had a style the was different from the other backs on the roster. This gave the Steelers more play calling options. To me Cotchery’s style is similar to those they have under contrac already.
I would rather the Steelers Draft or sign a big (6’3" + WR) to give the team more redzone options.
by Willard Taylor on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
No Cap Room Could Mean Longer Wait
I hoped that there would be some stability this year at the end of the season. That has gone out the door. lol Check this out. Ben has not had consitant 1 & 2 option at WR for more than 2 seasons in a row. The OL has been just as shifty too. On a side note look at how consistant the Defensive line-ups have been. Major changes in offense have been due to on the most part “knuckle-headedness” and injury not poor play. Ben can “tweek” his game, but it would help if he could “tweek” it toward somthing that was stable.
I would not re-sign Cotchery. It is not because he is a bad player. He is very similar to WR under contract. I would just prefer a big WR for redzone. Late round pick of Tommy Streeter WR Miami or Mike Willie WR AZ State. They will need some work. I do not see a clear WR option that would fit red zone needs and under the cap. A great FA Guard would be hard to fit.
At this point. I see a lot of wait a see.
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