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With the 24th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, The Steelers Select... an Inside Linebacker

You may be saying: why on earth would anyone think the Steelers should draft an ILB in the first round?

I'm glad you asked that question. But before I defend my position, let me say I understand that the Steelers are always going to draft the "Best Player Available" at their slot. The Steelers are well aware that the Kendall Simmons's of the world are going to come back to bite you in the backside (not literally, I hope). And naturally there may be different ways of looking at who the Best Player Available is, depending on what positions need to be addressed the most. But no matter how badly the Steelers might need a nose tackle or an offensive lineman, if in their assessment a given available nose tackle or offensive lineman doesn't represent a good value at No. 24, the available nose tackle or whatever will stay right on the board.

Note that I said "their assessment." Many people, including some of the draft gurus, thought that Maurkice Pouncey was a bit of a reach at Pick 18, and those people were proven wrong by the end of training camp. Where the Steelers rank someone and where that person is ranked by the masses aren't necessarily going to look quite the same.

So on to my premise—that the Steelers should look to draft an ILB high in 2012.

Star-divide

First, let's argue from the standpoint of need.

The current ILBs on the roster are James Farrior - age 37, possible age and/or cap casualty; Larry Foote - age 31, possible cap casualty; Chris Carter - 2011 rookie (5th round) that ended the season on IR because of a hammie that kept him off the field for eight games; Stevenson Sylvester - third-year vet (the third of three 5th round picks in 2010) whose transition from special teams to the defensive unit was not impressive; and Mortty Ivy - former UDFA who played the State Fair circuit (NC, MIA, and StL) before bouncing on and off the Steelers' practice squad. They've just signed Marshall McFadden, a 25-year-old FA who has not yet played in the NFL. Oh, and they have Lawrence Timmons, a pretty dang good ILB if he ever gets to stay there. And this brings me to my point.

The depth at ILB isn't deep enough. Potentially, both Farrior and Foote could be gone if the Steelers are struggling with the salary cap. And Farrior, as much as I love him, is 37 years old. Assuming that both Farrior and Foote are gone, this would leave the ILB position to be staffed by one stud (assuming that he doesn't have to move outside again and doesn't get injured) and a bunch of kids with less than a full season's game experience between them. The position they would be attempting to fill is arguably one of the most critical positions in the defense run by defensive coordinator Dick Lebeau.

Timmons will presumably move to mack in the absence of both Farrior and Foote (and here is a link to an article by our own Michael Bean arguing this is his natural position), but in this scenario you would need another excellent ILB to plug in. One of the aforementioned young 'uns might be that player, but it's quite a risk.

We saw what happened to the sack numbers in 2011 when the middle of the defense was compromised. Although the pass rush was greatly improved, due to the newly awesome secondary, the run defense was nothing like it was in 2010. This is not solely a function of the lack of depth at ILB, but it was definitely part of the problem.

How about value?

The two positions that most people seem likely to push for in this draft are NT and OG, and I certainly see the reasons for that. Without getting into specific players (which is pointless this long before the draft), we can look at the current rankings. When we do, an interesting fact emerges: the class for OG and particularly for NT seems at this point to be quite deep. There are 11 NTs currently projected by ESPN to go in the first 100 picks. The 12th player is still given a grade of 67 (out of 100). There are seven OGs projected to go in the top 100, and the 8th player is graded at 68. There are only four ILBs even projected to go in the top 100, and the 5th player is graded at 65. In the case of the ILBs, there is a big drop-off between player #3 in the ranking and the rest of the class. Player #4 just makes it into the top 25%. By contrast, nine of the NTs grade at 75 or above, and the 10th one grades at 74. OGs are not quite as numerous in quality, but there are still five players grading at 75 or above.

It seems to me that the Steelers are going to have a lot more good players to choose from in the 2nd and 3rd round at both of those positions, and none of the OGs or NTs are ranked in the top half of the first round anyhow (editor's note: with the possible exception of David DeCastro). I believe both of those positions can be addressed well in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but if they are going to get an ILB that is going to see the field next season, they are going to have to pull the trigger on one of the top prospects.

There is another important aspect of this which may not have occurred to many of you: the Steelers have the largest female fan base in the league. They are proud of this fact and do a lot to cultivate it. They hold women-only events, which are greatly appreciated and enjoyed, as I can testify personally. They eschew cheerleaders, thus not unduly messing with the body image of their female fans or forcing them to clean up the drool off the floor in front of their husbands.

But most importantly, they appear to bear this need in mind on about a 34 percent basis, which is, I believe, the percentage of Steeler fans that are female. They will move up to take a snuggly safety like Troy Polamalu, or draft captivating corners like Curtis Brown and Cortez Allen, or bring in winsome wide receivers like Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, and Antonio Brown. And the truth is that while there are exceptions (Maurkice Pouncey comes to mind,) the big boys in the middle aren't generally the lookers in the draft. Au contraire, as the French would say.

And I'm happy to say a little research has indeed confirmed that the current top three ILBs are fine looking men. (Luke Kuechly is top in every class, being a looker, a great player, and a very high character guy, but he is unlikely to make it to 24.) There's a little road rage issue with Burfict, but I trust the Steelers to do due diligence and make the determination about the guy. So for what it's worth, make mine an ILB.

This is the third part in a collaborative effort from the editorial staff at BTSC, providing some arguments behind possible positional directions the Steelers may go with their first round pick - currently scheduled for the 24th overall. These will be posted each day this week, and will not be distributed based on order of preference.

Part I - Wide Receiver

Part II - Trading Up

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You read my thoughts. Great article.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

I think this would be a fine pick if the right guy is on the board.
Remember, Farrior and Foote were splitting snaps this year, assuming 1 of them is released for age/cap reasons, we need somebody to play those 3-4 series per game.

by jedmiller71 on Feb 15, 2012 9:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

IF Timmons can successfully move to the mack

and I say if because we’ve never seen him play there, Dont’a Hightower makes sense. He is listed at 6’4" 260 LBs on the Tide’s website, and he’s a big fellow. He’s someone that could fit nicely at the buck if you ask my opinion.

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by glass0941 on Feb 15, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

I'd prefer Ronnell Lewis

but we could trade back and still get him.

He is the bets of both worlds linebacker. Has good size at 6’2 250 and good speed running a 4.5s. He can cover better than Hightower and would be a three down player if a team like NE decides to go no huddle on us.

I actually like Lewis better as a player and think Hightower gets more hype because he played on that great alabama defense.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

+1. I really like Ronnell Lewis’s size and speed. He reminds me of a meaner and stronger version of Sly.

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 I really like Lewis as well. especially if we can trade back, pick up 1 or 2 additional second round picks…that would be my dream sceanario.

by SteelerMike on Feb 15, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hasn’t Timmons been the Mack, the seek and destroy playmaker, for awhile now? Foote and Farrior were the Buck. That’s what we need to replace. I really don’t like Hightower at 24 because of his speed and coverage limitations. He just doesn’t seem like first round talent to me. He could definitely win battles against OL, but if he had to drop into coverage? Oh boy.

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Timmons is built for the Mack role, and he’s had it for a while. But you’re tying yourself in a bit of a knot here: Foote and Farrior aren’t good coverage guys either; they’re stack-and-shed run stuffers at the Buck. Directly replacing them with Hightower brings back more athleticism with the same run-stuffing ability, along with leadership traits down the line…

by c63tho on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The Buck, Farrior and Foote, still had coverage responsibilities. Farrior dropped into coverage 329 times and Foote 166 times. Unless he is rushing the passer, the Buck isn’t going to be just sitting at the line. With teams most likely going to follow the trend of NE and NO, TEs will become a bigger focal point in offenses, and LBs who can cover them will become bigger focal points on defense. We can’t invest a first round pick in a small DE playing ILB.

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points John

Teams are going to have to possess ILB’s who can cover and handle these “Gronks”. We will still need to address the problem of needed OL’s and a NT. If we do draft a ILB with that first pick, he must fit our defensive mold.

by Allen F on Feb 15, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice assessment

Agree… if Burfict is there at 24 either he, or Hightower become the newest 1st round steeler… I kinda like Burfict in this slot, he has that mean streak in him weve lacked at that position…

by OR69faithfull on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately

I don’t even think Burfict is on our board.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you're probably right, tann -

the real question is, is it a mean streak, or is Burfict just mean? My big hope is that ILBs are usually undervalued, and we might be able to jump up a few spots for Keuchly. But I’m not holding my breath. I’ve never been right yet ; )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never been that big on Keuchly

great instincts, great player, just not overly impressed with him, its probably a persception bias that you have to be an athletic freak.

I don’t think Burfict is a bad person, he just needs some guidance and structure. That being said we don’t have the time for that grooming now, we need someone to come and play day one if they are going to be a first or second rounder this year. I’ve cooled on Burfict, I’d take him in the 2nd round if we had someone ahead of him where he can sit the bench for at least a year or two and learn behind.

Thats why I like R. Lewis from OK, he is nice blend of Burfict (great hitter, good speed/coverage and good special teams player too) and Hightower (good size, can fill holes and take on blockers). I think he’d flourish in this system.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Wexell said he wasn't

But I really doubt Colbert is sharing his secrets and letting reporters report on it

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibility of a decoy

They could be saying he is not on their board but are really doing intensive research on his background and character to possibly take Burfict. I would’t but he definitely has the ability to play though.

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by Steel34D on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Burfict no

Not a first rounder by any stretch

by royhobbs9 on Feb 16, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. He’s too aggressive at times and probably isn’t the brightest crayon in the box but he should get drafted in the first. 32 teams aren’t going to pass up someone with the potential to become the next Ray Lewis.

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by Riddlah. on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hightower

I like Hightower’s overall skill set, and hope the Steelers consider him at #24. He is big, strong, and smart. He is a leader and called plays for the Tides’ defense. He is a very good run defender. He is not extremely athletic or fast, but has good mobility for his size. He can read and diagnose plays well. He would be an adequate pass defender on shorter routes. He would have difficulty covering tight ends down the field, or staying with running backs on routes out of the backfield. However, there are not a ton of 3-4 outside LB’s that can cover TE’s 30 yards down the field or stay with RB’s more than 5-10 yards away from the line of scrimmage. He is not a perfect player, and has some flaws. However, his overall skill set gives him the potential to be an impact 3-4 inside linebacker who would have a chance to start for the Steelers at some point in his rookie season.

by jmn501 on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

Hightower plays much like a young and healthy Farrior. He also plays the same role and position that Farrior plays. I like Alabama’s defense (since it is run much like ours) and drafting Hightower or Upshaw would shorten learning curve while bringing supreme talent.

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by dmdjr1 on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree on comparing him to a young Farrior. Farrior was much faster and quicker.

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I didnt say carbon copy

I do believe you’ll see hightower have a 40time about 4.7, Farrior was a 4.6 guy (if my memory serves me correctly). Thats not much drop-off in speed, especially considering Farrior probably isnt a 4.6 guy anymore.

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by dmdjr1 on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you will see Hightower with a 4.8 40. And in the NFL one tenth of a second is significant.

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

not big on Hightower…I think he’s overhyped b/c he plays for ‘bama. I agree 100% with tannofsteel’s assessment of Ronnell Lewis from OK.

by SteelerMike on Feb 15, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

?

we dont need an olb

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by dmdjr1 on Feb 15, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Farrior vs. Hightower

I agree Farrior in his prime was a little faster and quicker than Hightower is, but not by alot. Hightower has good agility for his size, and diagnoses plays well. So what he lacks in quickness or lateral agility can be somewhat compensated for through early recognition. Also, Hightower is probably better versus the run than Farrior was early in his career.

by jmn501 on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Question, do you think Hightower would be rated this high if he wasn’t on the Alabama team with a bunch of NFL talent?

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends upon what rankings you are looking at

I think Hightower is a Top 35 player. I do not agee with some mock drafts having him going as high as #12 or 13 overall. The Steelers’ 3 biggest needs are ILB, NT and OG. G and NT are a little deeper in this year’s draft, so they can probably pick up solid players at these positions later on. Of the players from those 3 positions likely to be available at #24, I like Hightower the best. He is worth a look at #24, but it will obiously depend upon what Steelers’ brass thinks of him. They could also use depth at S, OT, WR, and even DE, especially if Ziggy is forced to play some NT next year. If they love a player at one of these other positions at #24, I would support it.

by jmn501 on Feb 15, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, I’d say Hightower is a 30-45 player. Speed is too important in the NFL for him to be higher on my board. If his 40 time and 3cone drill are better than I think they will be, he might get a bump up.

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hightower wouldn't be a wise 1st round pick

Now that every team is spreading us out, we kinda need an athletic ILB to pair with Timmons.

I really hope Sly goes the way of Keenan Lewis; struggles his second season and then contributes heavily in his 3rd. Maybe the lockout had something to do with his progression, but I am hopeful that he can put it all together because we sure could use his speed on the field.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 16, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Keuchly and Hightower

are the two highest rated ILBs this year. I think Alabamas LBs are the real deal. It is Chapman, Barron and Kirkpatrick who are getting the bump from association (though all are still very talented).

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by dmdjr1 on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

The Steelers are in a similar position to make a LB look better than he really is. We’ve been doing that for decades.

(This isn’t to say our guys aren’t talented, but they reach their potential in our system). I think Hightower is the best option at ILB for the Steelers. I know you love Burflict, but if he truly is off the Steelers’ board, there is a much deeper problem than we are aware of.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 15, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Stated Article

Pick 24 is a lot better than last years spot 31. But it never seems high enough to get the players you want to. But if Kuechly falls to 20 or one of the other 2 ILBs has a super combine. A LB at 20 or 24 would not surprise me at all. Even an OLB.
But I have to agree LB in the first round is one of the better possibilities in my mind at this time. I probably will reconsider after the combine results are in.

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by steeler junky on Feb 15, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

James Farrior is a handsome man. He'll be hard to replace.

Do you think both Foote and Farrior could get released? I can see them cutting one and restructuring the other. As much as it pains me, it might be better if Foote is the one who restructures. While Farrior is one of my favorite Steelers, it’s always good to go with the younger guy in these situations. Foote might not be a Pro Bowl player, but he’s a solid veteran, and I don’t see much of a drop off if he’s in there.

by Anthony Defeo on Feb 15, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

One of the few that can pull

the bald look off and not have their head look wierd.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

ILB is what I have been thinking all along

This gives us the most value at #24… your assessment is spot on.

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by dmdjr1 on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Yep

But taking him off the list of ILBs still does nothing to help its depth.

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by barnerburner on Feb 15, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ILB was a wise pick in this series

I share the sentiment of others above, nice assessment.

Great info concerning this year’s draft depth at G, NT, and ILB. Hadn’t seen that before.

Drool factor, you’ve said it’s too early to make an informed decision, but when will see some pics?

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by alfresco on Feb 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

I'll start posting my BLA mock drafts

after the combine. No sense in getting excited over a handsome player that is going to fall precipitously, or conversely rise out of reach : )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughtful

Allowing them to fully groom for the combine.

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by alfresco on Feb 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the combine the female equivalent of the VS Show?

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably,

but I’ve never had time to actually watch it. I’m going to try this year, so that I can really throw myself into the draft posts, heart and soul : )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It can be extremely boring at times, AKA most of it

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll probably just target

some guys I’m looking at specially. And it might not be quite as boring to me as to you… After all, I would find cheerleader tryouts to be a real yawner, but you might not feel that way : )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

When and where are these tryouts? haha

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Coming soon to a location near you.

Auditions are on Saturday, March 3rd 2012 at the Downtown Athletic Club (210 E. Centre Street Baltimore, MD).

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Cheer/Tryouts_Fact_Sheet.aspx

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by alfresco on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the VS show?

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by alfresco on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Victoria Secret Runway Show

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see Usher, with a microphone at the 50 yd line now

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by alfresco on Feb 15, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Read

Thanks for putting this down. Great point about the depth at OG and NT. Plus the humor is always good.

I could also the draft priorities being shaken up if we do anything with FA’s. That is if we can get a FA NT at a decent price.

Finally, I don’t see both Foote and Farrior being gone next year. One yes but no way to both unless the Front office sees something that the rest of us did not betwen Sly, Carter, and Ivy last year. You just need that veteran prescense in case one of the young goes does not step up.

by MrZoot on Feb 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

I actually agree with you

about Farrior and Foote, but it weakens the strength of my argument, so I would never admit that : ) I would be really surprised to see the Steelers do much of significance in FA just because of the cap problems. And it’s hard for me to imagine a reasonably-priced FA NT that we would actually want, but you never know…

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d expect them to free up enough for a one year stop gap, so to speak.

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by alfresco on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ILB just aren't going to go in the 1st like many expect

I will be VERY surprised to see more than 1 of the ILB prospect go in the 1st round. History shows they just aren’t wanted as much as other positions unless they are absolute freaks like Willis or Timmons.

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by Mr MaLoR on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That's part of why

I have some hope of getting Keuchly. And hello, MaLoR, how’s it going?

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

With Timmons at the other ILB spot, Kuechly would be a good option. Timmons could handle the coverage I would think and Kuechly handle the run support and rest of the dirty work.

And it’s going well, thanks.

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by Mr MaLoR on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he's got Steeler written all over him -

(I snuck into his dorm room with a Sharpie) – so I hope you’re right : )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I am sorry there are not that many NT prospects

there may be that many DT prospects but of NT prospect I see Poe, Ta’amu and Chapman (who is injured and will be out a while). The rest are all developmental player who couldn’t play right away.

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by Steel34D on Feb 15, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

What do you think of

nicolas jean-baptiste, heard he did well in the east-west shrine game.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap

He has the size but his strength sucks, base is horrible, he plays high, doesn’t keep his feet moving and can’t fight through double teams. In my opinion he would be the last prospect I look at as a NT. I might want to look at the possible 1 techniques and see if I could move them to NT before I get Baptiste.

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by Steel34D on Feb 15, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

dang

is this based off of last year? Or his entire career at BU?

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

couple DTs I like

DT Mike martin, Mich. could be a good one gap NT like hokey was. And Fangupo in the 5 – 6 range if he has the heart for it.

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by steeler junky on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Article.....

There does seem to be the most value at ILB in round 1.

I really want to see Poe at the combine though. Who knows? Maybe by draft day he will be the better value.

by LuKahnLi on Feb 15, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, congratulations!

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts and questions:

who are the ranked NT and OG from ESPN?

I don’t think there are 11 NT prospects for real in the first 3 rounds. I think ESPN categorizes as DT only. A good many DT are 4-3 3 technique guys or lankier guys who would project to DE in our 3-4.

Walter Football has 4 NT possibly into round 3. NFLDraftScout has guys ranked as “DT” only also and they have 12 guys.

Here’s my accounting of potential NT including the fringe guys:

1. Poe 1-2
2. Ta’Amu 1-2
3. Josh Chapman 2-3
4. Fangupo 3-4
-———————————-
5. Mike Martin 4 (<— my personal choice to be the next Hoke)
6. Jean-Baptiste 4-5

On the other hand, the team may have some options at NT. McLendon, Hood, or Al Woods might be a stop gap there.

For Guards I tend to agree with you on 8-10 guys in the first three rounds. We can probably get a top5 guard in the second round. I do think with guard where you have mediocre guys already you really need one of the top tier guys to be an upgrade and step into a starting role.

At LB you have 3 studs and the team hasn’t figured out what’s happening to Foote or Farrior yet so it’s not clear that a high level rookie would be a priority this year. My guess is that we still have one of those guys under contract before the draft to take the need off the table. The only value guys projected there this year are Hightower and Burfict, which leaves Hightower as the candidate. I’d be fine with that pick.

OT is very thin with one second year guy, an injury machine in Colon and then a bunch of backup caliber guys. Worth consideration in the first two days.

by Steely McSmash on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

And with Hampton hurt/old/cut

Two very good ILB’s are going to be needed very soon.

Men like Casey Hampton do not grow on trees you know, and thankfully not for those of us who live around trees.

If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.

by SNW on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

trade up

Since 66% of the fan base is male, we should trade up and draft Katie Upton or Bar Refaeli.

by avelaguy on Feb 15, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Are they receivers?

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

More like “Tight Ends”

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure about that…

I need to give them a “harder” look.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point

Very cool thought, grab a great ilb in the first and then fill in the blanks in the second third and 4th. I f we could just pull a decent nose tackle outta of the draft to get the big snack a chance to take a short break to go get a snack. But the o line will need to be addressed early. Maybe Faneca would like to come back on the cheap side ha ha GO STEELERS

by rainman d on Feb 15, 2012 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

You're spot on

Good Call. I think if Farrior retires, they will find a way to keep foote to deal with the inexperience, even if its a one year deal. Foote left the Steelers, and eventually returned because the rest of league wasn’t interested. He was re-signed here, because he understands the scheme, and is solid against the run. That presence allows Timmons to cover more ground in zone, and freedom to overload a blitz. However, if that solid player is available, even if it means trading up; I believe this is the most important defensive position needing to be filled. If Hampton is not retained, defensive lineman move up the priority board; but with Ziggy’s versatility, draft selections of defensive linemen are equally versatile. Most teams draft ends who can rush. Teams that try to convert to 3-4’s and fail, fail because they have small ends. Solid LE can be found late in the draft, even undrafted. Maybe not Aaron Smith good, but good enough to fit within the system and perform the duties required. Same can be said of DT’s, at least of the Steve Mclendon variety and up. ROLB will be a necessity too, in a year or two as Harrison’s career winds down. LG is the closest ranking need in my book, but only as far as second. I agree with you, that our biggest need, for 2012 through 2022, is a solid ILB. If we can’t stop the run up the middle, we put the weight of our season on an offense in its first year under a new offensive coordinator. If the FO thinks they can get a LG first, and that solid ILB second; then, God Bless ‘em. If I’m pulling the trigger, I’m aiming at the same target you are.

by SteelCityRoller on Feb 15, 2012 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

Great job!

Great read…..What, do you think you’re a college professor or something……

I’m Coach Arn and I approve of this message

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 16, 2012 7:08 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks, Coach!

Pick me a cute one!

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 16, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I got you one already

Rolle, remember? Hey you going to report from camp again this year?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 16, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Right -

and thanks for Myron!

I hope to report from camp at least one week, but my youngest inconsiderately decided to get married, in Mexico, on August 4th, so it’s going to be tricky. These kids!

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 16, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

ugh!

I guess they’ll have to change the wedding date. :) Congrats!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 16, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

For crying out loud!

Buy them a ladder. Maybe they will get the hint and elope, then you can get to Latrobe on time.

anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hightower

dosen’t he remind you of kirkland…LIKE TO HAVE THAT GUY BACK

by steelballs1 on Feb 16, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Hightower is too slow, and like John (and most other people) I am very high on speed and athletic ability.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Feb 16, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I am very high on speed and athletic ability.

You’re high on something…..

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 16, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You got me there.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Feb 17, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Your signature gave it away

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 17, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Kirkland

If you want that guy you have to pick Melvin Ingram and convert him.

Devon Still from PSU is a cousin of Kirkland actually

by Steely McSmash on Feb 16, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

kirkland

wouldn’t last in today’s game, remember the game was played differently then

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

kirkland..#5
  1. on all time steeler linebackers..ham,lambert,russell,lloyd…kirkland Any of these guys could play in todays game

by steelballs1 on Feb 17, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  


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