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With the 24th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, The Steelers... Trade Down

It's simply about numbers: having more picks gives you more opportunities to draft talented players.

As The Gambler says, "you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em". Know when to walk away, and know when not to draft Troy Edwards (run).

The largely underscored message the Steelers should be considering with the 24th overall pick is the (eye-popping) stat that in 10 consecutive drafts, teams have traded up or back into the first round to select a quarterback 14 times.

And of those 14 times, five of them have come within three picks of No. 24. History is on the side of Trade-Down Enthusiasts.

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2011 - Jacksonville traded up with Washington for the 10th pick and took QB Blaine Gabbert.
2010 - Denver traded up with Baltimore for the 25th pick to select QB Tim Tebow.
2009 - The Browns traded the 5th overall pick to the Jets, who selected QB Mark Sanchez.
2009 - The Browns then traded the 17th pick they got from the Jets to Tampa Bay, who drafted Josh Freeman.
2008 - Baltimore traded up with Houston for the 18th overall pick, and selected QB Joe Flacco.
2007 - Cleveland traded up with Dallas for the 27th pick, and took QB Brady Quinn
2006 - Denver traded up with St. Louis for the 10th pick, and selected QB Jay Cutler
2005 - Washington traded up with Denver for the 25th pick, and took QB Jason Campbell
2004 - The Giants traded up with San Diego for the 1st pick, and took QB Eli Manning
2004 - Buffalo traded up with Dallas for the 22nd pick, and selected QB J.P. Losman
2003 - Baltimore traded up with New England for the 19th pick and took QB Kyle Boller
2003 - Chicago traded up with the Jets for the 22nd pick, and selected QB Rex Grossman
2002 - Washington traded up with New England for the 32nd pick, and selected QB Patrick Ramsey
2001 - Atlanta traded up with San Diego for the 1st pick, and selected QB Michael Vick

It seems clear that Cleveland does not have a good, working grasp of drafting/managing 1st round quarterbacks - the Browns traded out of 1st round picks that were used to take Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman because they'd previously traded up to get Brady Quinn and were still invested in him, only to turn around and ship Quinn to Denver less than a year later (in exchange for Peyton Hillis, a 6th round pick, and a pick that's yet to be determined in this coming draft). You could also say that Denver's (or maybe just Josh McDaniels') grasp of those concepts isn't much better either - the Broncos had traded up to get Jay Cutler and he showed good growth in his first three seasons, then they pissed him off by shopping him in a 3-way deal reportedly looking to replace Cutler (who'd made the Pro Bowl that year) with Matt Cassel. Cutler then forced his way out, Kyle Orton was an effective bridge to the long-term solution but not the solution himself, then McDaniels traded back into the 1st to take Tim Tebow when no one else wanted him that badly.

Aside from those two possible judgments, it seems that in recent years, there is often a prospect out there who proves tantalizing enough for someone to target and trade into the bottom half of the 1st round to select.

The Steelers are in prime real estate for such a trade, and the bait could very well be laid at the Steelers feet: Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill, Arizona State QB Brock Osweiler, Arizona QB Nick Foles and Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weedon.

Tannehill is big (6-foot-4), has a decent arm, and is a good athlete (played wide receiver his first two years at A&M, earning All Big 12 Honorable Mention his sophomore year). He could be the kind of player a team would want to develop for a little bit, since there are clear drawbacks such as limited experience and a less-than-elite arm (sure-fire way to go in the bottom of the 1st round instead of the top).

Weedon is a former New York Yankees second-round pick that enrolled at OSU after four years in the minors. He's got a great arm, and his age and experience could be seen to give him an advantage in terms of mental make-up. He's an intriguing prospect who could turn into an NFL starter if he gets the right situation.

Tim Tebow was an intriguing prospect that everyone knew needed to land in the right situation.

The gargantuan Osweiler is similar to Tannehill in some ways. The former Gonzaga basketball recruit stands just a shade under 6-foot-8, and has the foot quickness of a successful power forward. He's noted to be a leader and a hard worker; but with a good-but-not-elite arm, Osweiler isn't seen as a sure-fire first-round candidate.

Then again, neither was Tim Tebow.

Foles is said to be a natural leader and is Arizona's all-time passing leader, but neither of those things brought him many wins as a starter. He's got Roethlisbergean dimensions of 6-foot-5, 240 pounds with a good not great arm. His feet look a bit heavy, and probably isn't a first round prospect.

Then again, neither was... (you know the drill).

With several teams unable to claim that their quarterback of their future is currently on their roster, and very slim chances of trading up for Griffin (zero chance for Luck), those mid-range teams may be eager enough to keep a 10-year tradition alive by throwing some extra picks at a team in the 20s for the rights to a quarterback.

Washington is a prime candidate for this. Drafting sixth overall, they aren't likely to land Griffin without a substantially expensive trade up to No. 2 overall with St. Louis. While Cleveland may have been able to pull off a deal last year that moved them from six to 27 (and in return, took the collective draft soul of the Atlanta Falcons for 2011-12), this year doesn't have a prospect that's highly desirable at that spot.

If Washington wants a first-round QB such as Tannehill, it will likely have to trade back into the top 32 picks somewhere. They have a second (38th overall) and third round pick in this draft, along with two fourths and two sixths.

Miami is in a similar position as Washington, and if efforts to trade up for Griffin fail, they may look to toss a combo platter of second-to-fifth round picks to get back into the first round. It seems less likely, the way the draft order is today, that a team drafting behind the Steelers would trade up for a quarterback. But there are always prospects who fall a bit further than they're expected to go. Quality teams have depth, and perhaps they feel they're really just a player or two away from drafting 32nd next year.

The Steelers have never traded out of the first round under GM Kevin Colbert, but with such a deep draft and holes to fill, this may not be a bad year to explore the option.

This is the fourth part in a collaborative effort from the editorial staff at BTSC, providing some arguments behind possible positional directions the Steelers may go with their first round pick - currently scheduled for the 24th overall. These will be posted each day this week, and will not be distributed based on order of preference.

Part I - Wide Receiver

Part II - Trading Up

Part III - Inside Linebacker

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If I’m not mistaken the Steelers have not traded out of the first round since before the merger..

by jedmiller71 on Feb 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The steelers have used their 1st round pick every year since 1967

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by TVsCHACHI on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think this is the best scenario for us

but I doubt it will happen. We never trade out of the first.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

No one behind them wants a quarterback, and typically, teams haven’t traded up that late to get another position. I think they draft 24 or in the second round.

It’s certainly possible though. I just felt the most obvious part of trading up is the quarterback, and with only two sure-fire first round QBs, the possibility of someone panicking and moving into the 20s one way or another to take one of those guys was the best story to tell.

by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me

I’m pretty much fine with whatever we do.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 15, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver traded up to take Thomas at 22 in 2010 after trading down a couple times

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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 15, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we've just never gotten an enticing enough deal to move

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by John Stephens on Feb 15, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It worked out for brown and the bengals. Not the draft trade mind you(trade for draft picks), but waiting for just the right moment – Palmer etc. .

by IronJake on Feb 15, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Know when to walk away, and know when to not draft Troy Edwards

His manager made him change the lyrics huh? It’s one of those old musician legends, like how Meat Loaf was originally called Cous cous

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

About Weeden. I’m rooting for that guy. I’d hate for him to be drafted by a team where his only chance to start would be disaster. But hey, he could still have 10 years left in him.

I’d like to see what Kellen Moore has in him. I know he has his knocks, but who knows? If he doesn’t get drafted, or is available in the seventh, why not give him a look?

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

On Weeden

If he is 5 years younger he is put in the same category of QB as a Luck or RGIII. He is really good but at his age he probably has 6 years in him in the league.

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by Steel34D on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Why couldn’t he have more than 6? Qb’s have played till 38 that actually played in the NFL the whole time. Weeden should be pretty fresh.

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

How many of those 38 year old QBs were starting and playing good football?

Weeden has a shoulder injury from baseball and it hurts him to throw a baseball.6 years puts him at 34-35 years old depending on the team he goes to and there O-line he could extend this a year or twol but he is not going to be playing at 38-39 years old.

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by Steel34D on Feb 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t know off hand. I’d imagine not that many, but like I said, they also played full NFL careers, and that likely more of a reason for decline than just age.
Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing about that shoulder injury, but didn’t they say that it’s not an issue because of the difference between throwing a football and baseball?

But yeah, even if only 6 years, that’s still not a bad career.

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I’m liking this Weeden guy. I mean, He not just any fiesta bowl winner, he’s the 2012 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Champion, after all. That’s gotta count for somethin’

by IronJake on Feb 15, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 15, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You bringin’ the salsa?

by IronJake on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t appear to have the physical tools needed to be a pro quarterback. And I’m sure he’ll be more than available in the 7th…

by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t the big thing on him his arm strength? Can’t you build that up with the old Rocket Arm (Roger Clemens arm strength trainer) ?

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Building it up the way Clemens did is illegal in the NFL. They have tests for it.

(see what I did there?!?)

by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The way this happens:

2 of Browns, Redskins, & Dolphins don’t get a QB first time around, then they are fighting for the best player left. Redskins would be most desperate to move up, and if they offer their 2nd and a 1st next year (maybe more) I would take that deal. It will turn into a top-10 pick next year.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Remove the Browns from the equation

They have two first round picks, more specifically, the #4 and #22 pick. They have the ammo to take a pass on a QB with their first pick, and then get their guy with the second

by Greig Clawson on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Good call

But if the Browns don’t draft a QB and use the first two picks elsewhere, they still are dangerous to draft a QB before either team can in the 2nd.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 15, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

What would make this scenario much more likely

would be if the Browns second pick of the first round, was #25 or later. If the Browns take a pass on a QB with the #4 overall pick, QB needy teams would scramble to move ahead of Cleveland’s second pick of the first round, making the Steelers prime trade partners.

Of course, this won’t happen, because the Falcon’s sucked rooster this year. Stupid falcons.

by Greig Clawson on Feb 15, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

I don't see them doing anything different from what they always do that seems to work which is......

Sign their current players, including ones we think they wont sign. Restructure and/or cut appropriate players to shave some cap room. They then build their bench so they don’t have to panic in the draft. Then, they stay pat and take best player available….

So boring but yet so damned proven

by Majabe on Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

uhhh since 2001 the Steelers have traded the first round pick up or down three times…(3 out of 11 years). I don’t think staying put is what they always do.

Not that boring and not that proven… :)

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya, but looking at other teams they are as aggressive as most or more with their first round picks…

Sure there are teams that have moved around more…but the front office moves if they see a play.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

It does feel boring but it is tried and true. They never seem to hit the panic button, overpay for players, make a splash in the first week frenzy or reach much in the draft. Their consistency, on every level, is a model for anyone running a business.

by Majabe on Feb 15, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I still get laughs out of the fact that not only did Jacksonville actually draft Blaine Gabbert, they even traded up for him. Wow…major derp
(Yes, I know he’s a rookie, but something about this guy just screams “ain’t gonna make it”)

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Who would they be targeting?

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by barnerburner on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

well for two first round draft picks I assume we would have to trade our 1st pick, Mike Wallace, Lamar Woodley, and probably Lawrence Timmons as well.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Seton meant trade down to get the Eagle's two second rounders

Which he’s shown is approximately equal on the value chart.

by JDSpartan on Feb 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

who invented this value chart that people seem to use as the bible? Is it new?

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe Jimmy Johnson or somebody in the Cowgirls organization in the early ninetys.

by jedmiller71 on Feb 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How come people here seem to think it’s so important? I guess I just don’t get how you can put a specific value on a draft pick. If it’s a bad draft year and all the good players are gone in the first round (hypothetically of course) and there is literally no one of value in the second round. How do two picks in that round hold value against a number one?

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It has basically been like a chart of currency for the last however many years….all teams use it.

Sometimes a team might decide that they will abandon the chart and throw caution to the wind, but it gives everyone an idea of what a pick is worth…

I am sure some teams have their own variation of the chart, but is commonly accepted.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I see, thanks

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a good thought and that is why the numbers for these charts aren’t always set in stone but it is a jumping off point.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess if I got in to the pre-draft business I would have tried to acquaint myself with it. Whoever I think we should get is usually never anywhere near what we actually get.

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy Johnson…but it is outdated as it has been being used with the inflated first round salaries…now that those are adjusted the chart really should be as well.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Somebody who knows the chart better than myself should really put together a Post on this..so much to discuss and debate..

by jedmiller71 on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The problem is, I don’t know that anyone other than an NFL executive or scout could really speak on how a team uses this with any REAL sort of inside knowledge…I could be wrong, but few people know what is going on inside these draft rooms.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have the inside knowledge. They hang a bunch of pictures on the wall as tight as possible together. The gm is waiting outside the room while they do this. Then, they blindfold the GM, hand him a dart, walk him in the room and point him in the general direction. Where it lands is the pick.

My inside source worked for the Browns.

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think according to the chart a 1st round pick for next year is worth 80 percent of a 1st rounder this year..seems crazy to me, I would trade that down as often as possible.
But that would never happen because every GM knows they have no job security, so nobody would dare give away a pick now even for considerably more just a year away.

by jedmiller71 on Feb 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

but it is outdated as it has been being used with the inflated first round salaries

That’s a good point, I hadn’t considered that. At the same time, though, if it were to really move one way or another, it’d be closer to Johnson’s model That was pre-full free agency, and rookies didn’t make as much as they did in the 2000s proportionally, even.

I’ll see what I can dig up.

by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

probably more accurate now than last year

Since the salaries are now back to planet earth. the chart gives ridiculously high values to the first 6 or so picks.

The #1 overall pick has the same value as if you had every other pick in the third round if you could somehow work that out.

by Steely McSmash on Feb 15, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Since the salaries are now back to planet earth.

Isn’t it crazy that even the best football players entire sum of guaranteed money is only slightly higher than a “pretty good” baseball players salary for one season?. Prince Fielder for instance. Texiera (sp?) . Ridiculous.

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ya, he did…my bad…being an ass anyways.

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on who is there, of course

But maybe someone like Zac Brown or Jerel Worthy.

by JDSpartan on Feb 15, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'd definitely trade down rather than trade up.

There’s a ton of talent in the second round this year, including most of our biggest needs. With a trade down with the Eagles like seton has been suggesting, we could land a nose tackle like Ta’amu, a solid guard like Osemele or Zeitler or Washington, and then still have another pick to play around with, maybe even landing Hightower in the second. Pretty killer.

by JDSpartan on Feb 15, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

MUST BE THE PERFECT STORM

1. The Steelers have more holes to fill than draft picks.(check)

2. The Steelers must be “cap-strapped” and unable to fill holes via free agency.(check again)

3. The Steelers draft board must show that their top options plausibly could fall to their next pick(or next traded pick they receive), so that they could still get the players they want.

The issue is, never have these three situations aligned themselves like they have this year. Trading down is a distinct possibility. But we’ll have to wait for the draft to unfold.

by PSUJack on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

More holes than draft picks?

Seems a bit of a stretch. We certainly need OG, NT and ILB. OG being the more immediate need with NT a close second. Not to say we are golden everywhere else…but what other holes do you see?

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by count'em_six on Feb 16, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't name all needs

but I would think we will need another OT if only as a back-up (assuming we can’t afford Scott or Essex) and a S to develop behind Troy and Clark because Mundy can’t play both spots at once. A PK seems to be on most peoples lists as well.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 16, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Here we go

OT
OG(2)
WR—If hines and cotchery are gone
QB—Need a back up for Ben and maybe a future QB, especially if Ben keeps getting injured
NT
DE
ILB/OLB
CB(1 or 2)

by PSUJack on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

In my humble view

There are three kinds of players in the NFL:
1) Ones that are all elite ability and talent,but lacking the matching level of passion;
2) Ones that are good athletes full of passion and heart, but lacking that elite level of talent and/ability; and
3) Athletes that have both the elite talent (Wallace) and passion (Ward).
If we see the 3rd kind of athlete, say like a Polamalu, I think we should go up and get him because they are special and rare. The other two types of athletes require that the FO listen to the scouting departing and conduct a cost-benefit value analysis for each pick we make. For instance, if a guy on our board is still available, but another team makes an offer for the 24th pick, I hope we’re looking at the big picture and thinking about whether or not they can still get a guy of similar value. For instance, in 2009, we traded our 2nd round pick, 64th overall, and picked up two extra 3rd round picks, which ultimately became Kraig Urbik and Mike Wallace, respectively. Of the 15 players between our 2nd round pick, #64 overall, and where we dropped down at 79, only Louis Vasquez was probably on our draft board. So, I assume that when Denver offered 2 third round picks, we looked at the board, said to ourselves that Urbik is probably as good Vasquez, and made the deal. In any event, as I have previously noted, I want DeCastro and hope we do all we can to get him.

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by CLK47 on Feb 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

I was all for trading up to get Mike Pouncey last year

I wouldn’t mind whatever trade Colbert might broker to get DeCastro, since I know Colbert isn’t dumb enough to let himself get hosed and mortgage the future just for one player he’d love to have.

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by barnerburner on Feb 15, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I should have added that caveat that I don’t expect, nor want, see the FO make a “Ditka” type trade and get hosed.

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by CLK47 on Feb 15, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you watch it about Ditka. He was so good that he just gave away those picks to level the playing field. Unfortunately he got bored and just said “f it” I’ll let Payton do it for me.

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by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

really?
we looked at the board, said to ourselves that Urbik is probably as good Vasquez, and made the deal.

The draft board can predict the future!

by Steely McSmash on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not gonna happen

Nice article as always, Neil. You make a lot of sense, and if referring to a lot of other teams, maybe it could happen. This is not considered to be a strong draft class in any position. While a second or third round draft pick may start on a lot of teams, not so when referring to the Steelers, who has back-ups (starters-in-waiting) already better than anyone in the draft. The Steelers won’t be drafting for the future like many teams. They are drafting for now. Some of these teams you refer to won’t be looking for a QB in the draft, regardless if they need one or not. There are many free agent qb’s and 2 on the Steelers who are proven to be NFL quality. With the exception of Luck and III, are less of a gamble. I believe that Batch will retire, but if not, he will play for cheap. I doubt they can afford to keep Leftwich, who in my opinion is better than at least half of the starters on other teams in the NFL. Dixon, although he hasn’t had much of a chance to play considering the crew he was backing up, really wants the chance to prove that he can be a starter in the NFL. I wouldn’t expect either of those to be wearing Black and Gold next season.

The Steelers need offensive linemen NOW. They need more than one, but they need one who can start right away. They also need MLB. Farrior and Foote aren’t cutting it anymore and Timmons is coming along well, but that is not his natural position. If you remember, he was drafted as a ROLB. The middle in the 3-4 is much different than in a 4-3 and a much larger learning process. They need a MLB. They need one so much that I would not be surprised at all if that was their first pick at #24. Even if they wait until the second round, they need a MLB who can start in the next couple years. They also need NT. The retirement of Hoke made them think much harder. McLendon did an admirable job filling in, but he is not bulky enough to be a 3 down NT. My point is, the Steelers need to fill a lot of slots, but they need starters. They have back ups already. Getting more bodies in the later rounds is not going to help them much in 2012 or even 2013, not to mention keeping under the salary cap.
Just my two cents.

by Thomas Crawford on Feb 15, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you Thomas

The purpose of this series is really to look at the possibilities and why it may make sense to go in one direction or another. This isn’t to say they will trade down, but it’s certainly an option.

I don’t think the QBs I mentioned are good enough for someone to want to move up. At least with Tebow you had some intrigue. I like Weedon and I think he’s only scratching the surface of his potential. Lots to like about that arm and that head (not sure if a QB needs a ton more than those things). People feel differently than I do about Tannehill, but those people see him as a first-rounder. I don’t think anyone would go nuts to get either at 24, though.

Outside of that, there are pass rushers (didn’t go into detail, the article was long and boring enough) who will be around there, maybe someone like Green Bay wants to make a move. There’s not a ton that team needs, but some pass rushing help would be it.

by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

With Weedons age, I just don’t see him going in round one…could be wring, but…

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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It depends on who's taken

But reaching for Poe or Hightower at 24 isn’t a feasible idea

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 15, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

People have talked me off Hightower. I never thought Poe was the best option at 24. Hightower at least could feasibly play Day 1. Poe’s too raw still. Sort of like an older Amobi Okoye.

Gotta be one of the toughest positions to evaluate potential…

by Neal Coolong on Feb 15, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

People have talked me off Hightower

Was I supposed to see what you did there too? I didn’t realize you were depressed. People love you Neal, they care.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a matter of choice, really...

Some people choose towers, others ledges, yet others bridges.

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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

Yeah, I didn’t even notice that.

by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 5:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Ben

One ? Did Ben get traded? Did Ben die? Am i missing something?

Hard Work Pays Off!!

by greenm on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Yes. He was traded to the Jaguars with 6 draft picks over the next 2 seasons (1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each year) for Blaine Gabbert. I think we made out on this deal.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Um lol

I think I’d take that… it would be pretty tempting

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

2007 – Cleveland traded up with Dallas for the 27th pick, and took QB Brady Quinn

Lol

"I think every quarterback should believe they’re the best. Do I think there are better quarterbacks than me? Possibly. But would I take anyone else with the ball in their hands at the end of the game? I don’t think so." - Ben Roethlisberger-

by Mini Hulk on Feb 15, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

is it just me

or does Cleveland seem to wheel and deal magnificently on draftday but just do a really bad job of scouting?

by Steely McSmash on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The front office in charge of those deals is no longer employed with the team. I get the feeling Quinn, Brady, 2007 was cited as a major reason.

by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We will not be trading out if the first round this year, nope.

Just won’t happen. Trading up is a much, much higher probability. History dictates this, our needs dictate this, my gut feeling leads me that way, yadda yadda :)

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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Trading down seems a bit risky to me...

As already previously mentioned by many over here, the only possible teams for us to trade down to are pretty distant draft picks…I see it as a risk that instead of drafting a sure-fire starter on day one, we may miss out several and with us needing starters on ILB, NT, OG, trading down may put us in a hole if those teams before our picks take those players…
However if by #24 they think there are still safe to trade down, then I think trading down would be a great move…(2nd, 2nd , 3rd , 3rd) at least…

by stoco40 on Feb 16, 2012 2:10 AM EST reply actions  


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