BTSC Draft Forum: Members Sound Off On Nose Tackle, Offensive Line Concerns in Draft, Free Agency
Nothing in the offseason is more enjoyable than draft speculation. It turns out, some BTSC readers and moderators work in draft knowledge the way some artists work in oils or clay.
There's been some great dialogue going in the comments of our Steelers Draft series (most recently, Rebecca Rollett highlighted the possibility of the Steelers drafting an inside linebacker with the 24th overall pick). Along with those posts (which will continue through the week), we wanted to dig a bit deeper into some overlying issues facing the Steelers this offseason, and how the draft may be used to address them.
I put together a string of questions and posed them to each of the participants.
Question: It's rare the Steelers go into a draft with one really thin position, let alone two (OG and NT). Salary cap restrictions and retirement forced a difficult position for the Steelers this off-season. Which, if either, position will the Steelers look to free agency for help (beginning March 13), and which will be their top draft priority (April 26)?
NTs in FA can be very expensive, so I'd be really surprised with our financial situation if we even consider looking at FA NTs. Also, ideally we'd like to remove some of our financial dependency on that position (see Hampton's due $8 million this season). Guard, on the other hand, might be interesting. Carl Nicks, Evan Mathis, and Ben Grubbs will all be far too expensive. But, what about Jake Scott from the Titans? Maybe we could steal him for a few million a year and cut Kemoeatu. Therefore, I think we'd be looking at a NT with our 1st or 2nd pick. I think Alameda Ta'amu in the 2nd would be a nice steal.
- John Stephens
He's not lying. The kinds of nose tackles that excel in Pittsburgh's defensive alignment cost quite a bit. However, the Steelers won games this past year while utilizing either Chris Hoke or Steve McLendon, neither of whom cost much. Perhaps decent value can be found in free agency without a hefty price tag. Probably unwise to bank on that, though.
Ta'amu will be a hot commodity for sure by the second round. He'd be the Steelers' version of Terrence Cody - a massively big run-stuffing tackle taken in the second round. He's probably not a three-down player, but neither is Hampton, whether he is 100 percent healthy or not.
The Steelers should go after a Guard in free agency, over a NT. The Steelers have enough talent on the D-line, and enough short term options, to allow time to groom a rookie NT over the course of the season. McLendon is good enough to hold down the fort, which would allow the rookie to play in rotation, as he learns the job. Also, the rest of the front seven is talented enough, to cover up for any weak links in the chain. The same can't be said for the O-line, because they need someone who can play at a high level immediately.
As far as the draft is concerned, I feel that NT is a bigger priority, because the positional value is higher. The heart and soul of the Steelers, is their defensive front seven. When they have three extremely talented players on the D-line, every other position on the defense plays at a higher level. The pass rush becomes more effective, which makes the DB's job much, much easier, and increases the opportunities for turn overs.
- Greig Clawson
Clawson agrees with Stephens, and provides some good insight behind the importance of the defensive line. Let's keep in mind, the BTSC-sprouted phrase "One Thousand Pounds in the First Three Rounds" could include defensive linemen as well.
I believe it is much easier to find a quality OT in free agency than a quality NT. We've had Jonathan Scott the past two years play as a serviceable backup (although he hasn't been very serviceable at times) and the front office managed to scoop up Max Starks after it was confirmed that he could resume his playing career. The only quality free agent NTs I can think of that were available last year played on the same team: Aubrayo Franklin and Shaun Rogers. If worst comes to worst, we'll have to cut Hampton, sign one of those guys as a backup, and draft a future replacement at that position. OTs are always available in the draft and free agency, while quality NTs are often scarce. With Marcus Gilbert possibly going to LT next season, NT is one of the top priorities for us in the 2012 draft.
- Parris Brantley (aka StoneColdSteel)
If we're comparing a 0-technique (straight-up over the center) to a 3-technique (off the shoulder of the guard), I would tend to agree it's a bit harder to find in free agency. That's mostly because it's hard to find bulky quick-footed men, period. The rub comes in the word "quality." Starks benefits because he's familiar with the team and the offense (last year, anyway). Scott played with OL coach Sean Kugler in Buffalo, so they were comfortable with who they were getting. Flozell Adams was just a great veteran football player, and did a pretty decent job in his stint in Pittsburgh.
Can the Steelers find guys like that again?
Conclusion: The group generally feels a nose tackle would be a better position to fill as a priority through the draft instead of free agency.
It's hard to disagree with that categorically. While Doug Legursky and Ramon Foster may not be setting the world on fire, they will both still be on the team come training camp. Hampton, if not outright released, is a sure-lock to start the year on the PUP list.
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If they use FA to address any position.....
It should be guard in my humble and non expert opinion. Use the early draft rounds to address NT or OT, draft a guard or two in rounds 4-7. The guard class seems VERY deep this year. Sign a decent veteran through FA, say goodbye to Kemoeatu…….and see if one of the pro
Dontari Poe
Is a name I’ve heard tost around. What are the chances he will still be on the board at 24?
Not sure
I don’t think any other team going before us has a need for one like we do. He’s still a raw talent because of his technique, so I could see him falling to us.
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina could use a guy like him
The Vikings and the Jets could also bite. If Steeler Nation really wants Poe that badly, pray that he has an average combine. I really believe that if a guy at his size has a decent/good combine, he will be drafted in the top 15.
Poe may not be very consistent, but his size and athleticism might be too enticing for teams the top half of this year’s draft.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
disagree on top 15
from a small school and not lighting up the field, top 15 is a serious stretch.
For a DLineman to have that kind of value he needs to have some pass rush in his game.
What are you going to see from a NT in the combine anyway? It’s not like they run the 5 yard dash.
You’re going to see 40 time, broad jump, vert jump, bench press most likely. You know he’s going to lift well already,
I think the physical evaluation has to be 90% game tape. You can interview him and see what condition he’s in but I think the combine stats are useless for that position personally.
by Steely McSmash on Feb 17, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Did you think Christian Ponder was worthy of the 12 overall selection?
Did you also think Tyson Alualu was worthy of being a top 10 pick at the time?
I dont think you did.
The point is that players with that combination of size and athleticism are often taken much higher than they should be, which means a combine for Poe might result in him being chosen before a guy like Brockers. Everyone should know by now that anything can happen on draft day.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
that's a big reach for 2-down player
Poe is a 2-down player, which wasn’t the case for Alualu, a pure 4-3 DT
Poe has plenty of “upside”, but really feels like a guy who should and will be drafted in the 20’s … I think even #24 is reaching and would prefer to see Steelers trade down if that’s the direction they’re gonna take
You still missed my point
Was Alualu worth that much money at the time?
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 19, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he’ll be one of the big stories at the Combine, but for as athletic as he is, he’s still really raw.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with him. I could see a good team taking him on the lower end of round 1.
John, Greig and Parris discuss him in a future edition to this series.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to find more clips of him
I’ll be watching them to get a better analysis of this man named Poe.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
The danger is.....
If some team addresses their need at DT in a 4-3 system by grabbing an NT.
That’s what the Giants did with Linval Joseph the results were pretty fantastic.
Mel Kiper.....
has the Steelers taking Dontari Poe in the first.
Yeah, the kid’s unreal from a physical point of view.
You have to at least wonder why a solidly build (read: not a fat ass) 6-foot-5, 350 pound kid who’s known as a workout warrior with good character and explosive athletic ability is being projected by one as the 24th overall pick.
His NFL Evaluation gave him a second round grade. I think barring injury he’s gonna essentially get a red shirt in 2012, not someone who would really help the current lack of depth at NT.
He could turn into a three-down John Henderson in a year or two though.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
We need to start a Cheeseburger fund
for Steve McLendon, so he can pack on the pounds. He needs to make enough trips to McDonald’s this off-season, where they consider changing the franchise name to McLendon’s.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
McLendon’s sounds like a place with great steak
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
True
Better make is chicken fried steak though. He needs the calories.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, but that gravy might clog his arteries...
…I say make it a steak and pasta place; couple nights a week, he packs in a 32 oz delmonico steak, and on Friday nights, he carbo loads with pasta.
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McClendon .....
In my opinion is better suited as a DE in our 3-4 system. His skill, size and range is better suited to DE. Ziggy would be better suited to NT than McClendon. He did not have the season that was expected from him last year at DE. Don’t know if playing NT is his “druthers” or not. This kid Poe sounds like a natural (size, strength and training room work) but I have not seen many clips of him in action. If he is made our #1 pick, then he needs to be ready to play a lot – immediately. We were getting no pressure up the middle last year when it was obviously a passing down. NT’s are usually relied on to make sure that no one mounts a running game up the middle on us and to control that middle from Guard to Guard. He needs to have a nose for the ball and get in the head of the Center. Also to be ready for screen passes over the middle and draw plays. Casey was entirely “too slow” and out of shape to handle that. Would like to see us cut him, if it helps our Cap situation.
Ziggy is just above 300lbs, McClendon is above 320lbs
Ziggy is 6-3, McClendon is 6-4.
Both are reportedly very strong.
So how is the smaller player more adept to play a harder position, when said player could not even handle his own position? That kinda doesn’t make sense unless your just hypothesizing.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Just my personal opinion
McClendon is listed as weighing 280. I doubted it at first, but on closer observation he appeared to me to be closer to 280 than 320. Whereas, Ziggy looks much larger than “just over 300 lbs”. Height has nothing to do with playing NT. The shorter, stronger man can get better leverage on the Center than the taller. Ziggy is said to be the strongest man on the team and squats over 700 lbs. His “squat” body , thick legs and strength (in my opinion) makes him a better candidate. This is the position that I played (albeit many years ago – LOL). McClendon’s techniques look to be better suited to a DE than a NT. It will probably be a moot point because I see us as drafting a “natural” NT in the 2nd or 3rd round. These are just our personal opinions, though. We BOTH might be wrong.
McLendon said him self
he is 320
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
If you've ever seen Ziggy and McLendon
side by side, Ziggy is clearly larger than McLendon.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
so
McLendon says his weight is 320, you obviously has weighed him before to call him a liar
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh... No
You’re saying that McLendon plays heavier than what the Steelers list him at. Ever stop to think that Ziggy weighs more than what the team lists him at?
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
lol love that logic
I don’t know what Ziggy weighs, we should ask him. Thats the most reliable source we’ll get.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
My point is
that I’ve seen Hood and McLendon stand side by side, and Hood is the bigger man. The Steelers have been under reporting Hampton’s weight for years, so it wouldn’t shock me to find out that they under report the weight of McLendon and Hood.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Your telling me Hampton is not 325lbs, I am shocked, no mortified…
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you probably right
they probably under report both weights.
So its hard to say who really weighs more. Hood may look bigger but you never know.
Either way all that matters is that Hood primarily played DE, McLendon DT/NT. If that changes its up to the coaches.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 18, 2012 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
DEFINITELY agree!!!!
He looks closer to the weight of Casey Hampton – minus the “gut”. And he is said to be the “strongest” player on the team.
that's true
and the FO said when Ziggy was drafted that he could potentially play inside or outside, although obviously not the same type of NT as Big Snack … Ziggy’s feeling like a tweener to me in that he doesn’t dominate the End position like A Smith or Keisel has done, but not big/strong enough to play every down inside either
Ziggy
I like the thought of Ziggy being able to be moved inside IF his heart and mind is in it. I think that with his strength and potential he could excel here. It would give Heyward the opportunity to be a starter at LDE (which I thought he showed that he is worthy of this past season). Also a successful transition by Ziggy gives us leverage to wait until later in the draft to see a “future” NT. Also it gives McClendon and Corvin Bryant the opportunity to under study Bret Keisel at DE and give him the opportunity to rest, thus extending his career. Keisel had a GREAT and productive season. Bryant and McClendon both showed a LOT of promise. It also gives us leverage in the Draft to seek that “big” ILB to understudy for Farrior’s position. We need someone who is capable of handling/covering the “Gronks” that have dominated us recently. Sly (Sylvester) looked great on ST’s, but looked lost when he had an opportunity to start at ILB.
If we did move Hood to NT
I would like us to draft Jared Crick in the 3 round.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 18, 2012 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know anything about Jared Crick, but.....
You can bet that I will look him up.
But that isn't going to happen
He was drafted to be a 5 technique, so I’m not sure why people are still holding on to this dream of him playing NT.
There is no evidence that he can hold up at that position other than somebody’s opinion.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 18, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what a 5 technique is
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 18, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
NT
If the Steelers draft a NT, which I think they should, they need to count on him being able to start by Week 8-10. I worry that McLendon will not be able to man the NT in this defense for the whole season.
He might be more of a 3 technique though
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Its hard to say.....
he is an underclassman. It probably depends on how he does at the combine.
There are other teams who need NTs, but none that I could see whose need is so great that they will use a 1st round pick for one. But I could be mistaken. Anyone else know of a team that may use a 1st round pick on a NT?
Depends entirely on how free agency goes, but the gut feeling right now is that no one will be likely to grab one ahead of us
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by barnerburner on Feb 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
here are all the teams expected to use 3-4 fronts in 2012
Arizona, Baltimore, Dallas, Green Bay, Houston, Kansas City, Indianapolis, New England, New York Jets, Pittsburgh, San Diego, San Francisco, Washington
of those, the ones needing a NT the most are Houston and Pittsburgh.
Arizona, KC, Indi, NYJ, SD, and SanFran also could be looking, but im not sure and most of those will be determined in free agency.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 16, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Arizona drafted Dan Williams in 2010
IMO they have bigger holes to fill in the 1st round.
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert.
The good news is
that the Steelers can use both of their first round picks to address the offensive and defensive line. Where will the other first round pick come from? From the team that steals Mike Wallace away from the Steelers, of course!
Hmmm…the 31st overall pick (Patriots) for Mike Wallace…I do not like you, Mr. Clawson.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
it would be the 27th overall pick! Four spots, that’s huge, right?
If a team signs another teams RFA, they have to give up their highest first round pick.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Someone on another post said it's the team's original pick
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Came up on "Moving the Chains"
Pat Kirwan texted one of his GM buddies for clarification.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
So we got THAT goin’ for us…which is nice.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, FOUR spots!
Kevin Colbert did say that he felt WR was the deepest position in this years draft. Let’s hope he right about that.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Translation
“Early damage control in the event of Mike Wallace’s departure.”
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
How many spots could the Steelers move up, if they packaged the 21st and 24th pick? It should be enough to get them in the top 10.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Get ya to about 8
DeCaaaaaassssssstroooooo…..
Probably just need 11 to get him. Arrowhead Pride had a good piece on why they need to go tackle at that spot.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Forget that
If we’re picking in the top 10, I would hope we could draft a better position than Guard.
I’m really not that enamored with the players who are in the top 10, at least not enough to swap 2 first round picks in order to get there.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't take take YOU in the top 10...
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Trust me
I wouldn’t take me in the top 10.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Goongala Goongala
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 16, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
“So we finish 18, and he’s gonna stiff me! I was like, ‘HEY! Llama! How ’bout somethin’, ya know, for the effort, ya know?!?’
by Neal Coolong on Feb 17, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Correction
It would be the teams original draft selection. It looks like I’ve dropped two steaming piles of crap on your day.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope Kirwan’s source is in the Patriots office. Or maybe Cleveland’s office, they may think they can give up their 21 or whatever they have.
Who would you take if we had No. 4 overall? No trades were made…
Luck to Indy
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by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hawk the RGIII sweepstakes
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by barnerburner on Feb 16, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing!
Draft RGIII, and then trade his draft rights to Miami, for Maurkice Pouncey, and their 2011 and 2012 first round draft picks.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
even with injury
i would have to try and get Jake Long.
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 16, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Trent Richardson
Don’t like the idea of taking a back that early in the draft, but Richardson is the best RB prospect to enter the draft, since Adrian Peterson. He would be an upgrade to Mendenhall, which means the Steelers wouldn’t have to worry about ponying up the cash to keep Mendy around when his contract is up.
If Mendenhall didn’t get hurt, I would have gone with Morris Claiborne.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Trent Richardson at the number 4 pick? That’s Cleveland Browns type drafting there. Nothing about this guy says he’s on a level of Peterson. I would be so angry if we took a running back in the first round, especially at the fourth pick.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Everything says he's on the level of Peterson
Richardson was more productive in college, despite playing against far superior defenses. He’s bigger, stronger, and almost as fast. Richardson also excels as a pass catcher.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t care if the man is the next AD, I don’t want the Steelers to draft a WR or RB in the first five rounds.
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this
plus I don’t think TR is all that great, did you see the line he was running behind in college? I don’t think any of them are not a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
As good a runner as Richardson was he most likely won’t be anywhere near the level of Adrian Peterson.
IIRC, Peterson ran for over 1,900 yards as a freshman at OU. Thats damn near impossible now with all the wide-open spread formations in college football.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
1900 yards
against Big 12 defenses. I’m not impressed. I’ll take Richardson, and his 1679 rushing yards, playing against SEC defenses.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I can guarantee that he wont be better than Peterson
Richardson is good, but he is not Adrian Peterson.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see the defenses Richardson had to play against?
Peterson ran behind his share of O-lineman who were drafted in the first and second round.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
How strange that Richardson was “more productive in college” With that AMAZING passing game they had this year and last….
That “far superior” is a myth. Not every team they play is one of the top 3 SEC teams. In fact, they have the same amount of cupcakes as Ohio State or any other college.
Here’s more to consider. That record breaking year StoneCold was talking about that you trivialized. Yeah, that was combined with a quarterback that threw for over 3200 yards and 35 touchdowns in an undefeated season (till the champ. game)
But, as they say…we’ll see. Year after year an Alabama RB is supposed to be the next greatest thing ever, year after year, they aren’t.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Passing game
What’s your point? Monty Ball ran for over 1900 yards this season, and 33 TD’s. His QB, Russell Wilson threw for over 3100 yards, and 33 TD’s. Does that mean we should put Ball on the same level as Peterson?
It’s easy for a back to be productive, when he plays on a team with a legit passing attack, because teams can’t load up to defend the run. The fact that the Alabama passing attack wasn’t a threat, makes what Richardson was able to, even more impressive.
As far as SEC defenses are concerned, no it’s not a myth.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, what it says is that BFD that Richardson was “more productive” when he was the entire focus of of that god awful offense. That’s what it means. You are saying he is on the level of the guy that is by far the best RB in the NFL. There is nothing about Richardson that suggests he is anywhere near what everyone knew Peterson was going to be coming out of college. Last year people were so convinced Ingram was so great too..because of the team he played on, and actually, for all the reasons you claim Richardson will be.
For an NFL equivalent. Mike Anderson doesn’t get compared to Terrell Davis too often,yet he played like him when Davis left. Olandis Gary did pretty well too..Clinton Portis had his best years. Strange coincidence?
Sec defenses : so every team Richardson played is one of the top defenses in the country? And none of the defenses Peterson played were? I’m guessing that Richardson played about 3-5 games a year against good defenses, and 6-8 games a year against cupcakes. Same as any major college program.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Riley Reiff or Morris Clayborne
Reiff in my opinion has the highest ceiling of any of the top tackles in this years draft. Clayborne can return kicks he is 6’0" and around 190lbs good speed and will be an immediate impact player. Not as good as his teammate PP21 but he is good.
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Is #27 a good thing?
It could as be #30 or #26, SF or Houston. I don’t see how that helps the Steelers. In a redraft they have Wallace #8.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-7743044
I think Wallace has more value than #26,#27, or #30. That is why Colbert has suggested franchising him. Keep in mind if the Steelers lose Wallace and Brown is not replace as a return man he has a high risk of injury and a position of strength gets very weak. Also Wallace was the one drawing double teams to free up Brown how Brown will produce against double teams remains to be seen.
At this point I favor Hightower- he is a good fit in the system, he would be a better replacement at rush LB than Timmons, there is much more depth at OG and NT than ILB in the draft. I am still watching Poe he has moved up from t-5th to 3rd on Mayocks top 5 lists.
If the Steelers had to lose Wallace (it would only happen if they just flat-out messed up the salary cap and/or couldn’t get Roethlisberger to restructure, and I’m not quite sure how he thinks he’s going to boost his legacy without Wallace in the next few years), I’d be fine with dealing 24 and 31 to get a guard, because we’re going to have to run the damn ball quite a bit.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a question of Wallace's value
It’s whether or not the Steelers can clear the cap room to use the $9 million franchise tag, to prevent him from being vultured by another team.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
If Wallace was a 3rd rounder in 2009...
…84th pick overall, what’s that worth in today’s draft dollars? Wouldn’t taking a 1st rounder, even a 31st? be more than sufficient compensation?
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its not about where he was drafted
clearly he shouldve been drafted a lot higher. is the 31st worth losing a #1 receiver and possibly the best deep threat in the game? nope.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 16, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
They have to free up 9 million eventually for the draft
The problem with cutting players before June 30 is their remaining bonus counts against this season. Keomeatu will most likely be cut after because of his signing bonus. If they franchise Wallace they will have to turn to players saying we have done all we can to get under the cap w/o cutting veterans, we need players to restructure contracts or we will have to cut you. Then the ball is in the player’s court.
They have to be under the cap by March 13th
Which is the first day of the new league year.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wouldn’t let Wallace go unless its’s a top 15 pick.
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
What happens
If someone like the Patriots gives Wallace an offer sheet for 4 years/$30 million, with a first year salary of $10 million? It doesn’t matter how badly the Steelers want to keep Wallace, or what type of draft choice compensation they feel he’s worth, because they won’t be able to afford to match the offer.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Wallace goes to the Patriots, that's what happens
You’re right, it’s not the Steelers’ choice. Whichever team gets him to sign an offer sheet, that’s his contract. At that point, the Steelers either match that contract (which, if it’s front-loaded, will be a severe problem), or get a low-end first round draft pick as compensation for the best deep threat in the game.
They can’t tag him if he signs that offer sheet, so they either need to do that, or get him signed, by March 13, or they lose a huge amount of control over the situation.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 17, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
I don't have a problem if the Pats sign him
Go back to your scenario about the Steelers trading out of the first round, with a team who wants Tannehill. If the Steelers can trade one of their first round picks, for another teams 2nd and 3rd round pick, that would give them 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. Sure, the Steelers lose a deep threat, but in the process they fill every hole on their roster in the first 100 picks of the draft.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I am not sure where you are going here
You just said it is not a question of value but the ability to sign him, now you are saying let him go. Did you change your mind?
Expecting Colbert to hit on all 5 pick is unrealistic. Noone I know of has ever done that with 5 picks in the top 100. I did in Madden once but that is another story. Remember even if he is franchised and a long term deal cannot be reached he has more trade value because he could be trade to a team higher in the draft willing to part with a high second and third rather than their 1st. More suitors give him greater value.
Huh?
I never said let him go, I said I don’t have a problem if the Patriots sign him. I would like for Wallace to stay in Pittsburgh, but I don’t think he’s worth breaking the bank over. If Wallace signs with the Pats, it would only happen because they made an offer that the Steelers can’t, or don’t want to match.
They may not hit on all 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, just like they won’t hit on all of their picks, if they only have 3 in the first 3 rounds. However, the odds of finding 2 or 3 players, out of the 5, who can produce at a high level are very good.
Who’s going to trade a top pick for a player with a franchise tender? They would be giving up a high value pick, with no assurances that they would have that player for more than a season.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Let him go-to the Patriots
1) If the Pats get Wallace they get better and the Steelers get worse (at least next season)- big win Pats
2) The Pats offer Wallace a contract with a sizable 1st year contract the Steelers match but must cut more players than they want to and have a larger cap penalty next year- win Pats
3) Here is my main question… If you don’t agree with Colbert about possibly franchising Wallace, how do you have confidence in his drafting in the top 100?
Again... Huh?
Let me guess, you’re one of those guys who likes to argue, just for the sake of arguing, with out making an actual point.
What did Colbert really say about Wallace, and the franchise tag? He didn’t say that the Steelers WILL use the tag on Wallace, if they can’t sign him to a long term deal. He didn’t say that they definitely WON’T use the tag on him. He said they haven’t ruled it out, which is as non-committal of an answer as you can get.
I don’t disagree with Colbert, that there exists a possibility where the Steelers may choose to consider placing the franchise tag on Mike Wallace.
That’s pretty much what Colbert said about the subject
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Would it be better to franchis Wallace or give him the restricted offer?
I want to be more concise on my points and also point out questions I had concerning your posts. First of all I would like to point out the reason Colbert suggested the possibility of Wallace receiving the franchise tag, you stated- "other teams could vulture Wallace" if he receives only a restricted offer, I agree and Colbert’s suggestion of the franchise tag would be so Pittsburgh could not only retain him but also be in control of a contract being negotiated in the next few months, if not by March 13th.
1)The Steelers franchise Wallace. They then can try to negotiate a long term deal, no doubt one that is back loaded to help the team this season. The team would want to finish a deal by March 13 so they do not have to cuts more players than necessary. Should the Steelers find Wallace’s demands are not something they could live with, they could attempt to trade him (to a team better able to handle a larger contract) the positive of this deal would be more teams could make offers. The Browns, Jags, Redskins, or Bucs might have some interest and it would be far better than Wallace going to a team the Steelers would need to compete against such as Pats, Houston or Bengals. (NFL live suggested the Bengals have 60 million cap space and could offer a 20 million roster bonus to Wallace) also these teams drafting high in the 1st round could offer a 2nd and 3rd which could be worth more than a late 1st rd pick. Ultimately the ability the have a say over where Wallace lands would be most important to the Steelers if a trade is necessary. BEST CASE SENARIO
2)The Steelers use the restricted tender on Wallace and receive a late 1st rd pick for him from the Pats, 49er, Texans or Bengals. The team works the contract to have a high 1st year cap number and the Steelers do not match. The Steelers receive a late 1st rd pick but lose Wallace. The team that gets Wallace suddenly become a favorite to win the Superbowl (except the Bengals, lol). I would find it hard for anyone to think the Pats would not have won the Superbowl this season if Wallace was on the roster. NFL live described the Pat’s offense becoming insanely good with Wallace. With the Steelers needing to defeat 3 of the 4 teams to reach this year’s Superbowl this senario would be a nightmare. Wallace was the only player to receive double teams last season and without him the Steelers offense could suffer greatly.
3)The Steelers use the restricted tender on Wallace and match another team’s offer. Wallace will have a higher cap number this year than if the Steelers worked the deal, and now must free up more cap space than if they had found a way to work his contract themselves.
What confused me about your posts ( and please try to address me in a civil manner without huh? Or attacking me by saying I don’t have a point. I just listed 3 points if you wish to dispute them please do so.)
1) You write- "It’s not a question of Wallace’s value
It’s whether or not the Steelers can clear the cap room to use the $9 million franchise tag, to prevent him from being vultured by another team." Your choice of words- "prevent him from being vultured" vultured is derogatory term. So to me this was something you would not want to see happen. Later you state you are accepting of NE signing him away from the Steelers for the 31st pick. This is why I was confused by the two posts.
2)While you have stated your acceptance of Wallace ending up on the Patriots for their #31st pick. I have not seen you defend this point against my post of it being a bad decision.
3)I have no clue what your comment about trading a tendered player means, I initially thought you were joking around with me.
I have listed my 3 points. I welcome your opinion. If you can elaborate on some of your posts I might understand them better.
I really, really doubt the Patriots will offer him that much money. With 10 million in 2012, you are signing him as if he was the 3rd best WR in the league behind Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson. That’d be more than Andre Johnson is getting. Also, don’t the Pats only have a cap surplus of 7.5 this year?
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wallace?
those are tough decisions – as much as I love how he’s played for 3 years and the value that we’ve gotten out of a 3rd round pick, Wallace has not “dominated” like a franchise WR does and I’m not sure if he’s going to …. he’s not a guy who catches 10 balls for 150 yards as “go to guy” on passing downs. It’s very dangerous to overpay a WR. If we have to pay him more than $6MM per, I’m not sure that’s money well spent. Even with a low 1st rounder, we have ability to package our 3rd/4th/5th pick to move up, if necessary, and possibly end up filling 2 positions of need in 1st round on draft day. Now, if Wallace is gonna keep getting better. it’s tougher to let him go.
I’m trying to think of a FA WR in last 10 years that signed for big money, changing teams that was truly worth it? TO (for 1 season). Keyshawn – no. Boldin – no. Moss – by trade, not for the Raiders. Plaxico – to NYG, he only got $4MM per and we won the SB the next year.
I wouldn't take the No. 1 pick...
for an established player like Mike Wallace. If we had Tommy Maddox still, I probably would though. In this situation, I might take 2 1sts with at least one in the top half, but certainly not one. Wallace is an ascending player who is already an elite WR in this league.
Cincy
If Poe impresses at the Combine, Cincy might be interested at pick 21. . But unless he does have a good combine I just dont see the steeler going NT in the first round
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D-line is arguably Cincy's deepest position
They rotate through 7/8 guys there (at DE and DT) during games. And assuming that they go CB with their 1st pick, I’d be mildly surprised if they went defense again with their second 1st rounder as well.
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by barnerburner on Feb 16, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and if they did, we’d be “mildly surprised” at the beating they would give Ben next season.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, it wouldn’t be surprising given the 8 sacks we gave up to them in our two games last year.
Domata Peko’s contract takes him through 2014, and Geno Atkins just completed his second year as a total stud. Unless Peko’s play has dropped off and they’re looking to dump him before his contract is up, I’m not sure Poe would fit into their plans in the short-term (unless they’re content with a 1st rounder being a rotation guy). Granted, they could take him to groom and be Peko’s replacement in a couple of years, but that would be surprisingly far-sighted of them.
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by barnerburner on Feb 16, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
If Dalton improves, maybe shore up the offensive line a bit, perhaps some deep safety help, I don’t see why that team can’t go 11-5/12-4 with a few breaks next year.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
If they can even get a whiff of DeCastro at 17, they’d pull the trigger and wait for their DB until 21. Then for all we know, they could tag Mark Barron instead of a CB there – and just like that, two of their three biggest needs are resolved.
I really hope they reach for a RB with one of those picks instead.
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by barnerburner on Feb 16, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
True ,But
I believe that 3 of Cincy’s DL are FA this season. and Cincy has 2 1st round picks.
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by steeler junky on Feb 17, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
They do have three FAs on the DL
But with the incredible amount of cap space they have to burn, are they going to let all three of them walk? They’ll probably find a way to re-sign at least two of them.
My point is that Cincy doesn’t draft like we do, and they seem to always want an immediate return on a 1st round pick. They could very well take Poe in the 1st round, but drafting a guy to groom and rotate behind two entrenched starters would be a bit unusual for them.
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by barnerburner on Feb 17, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
What about OT?
The Steelers are also have very little depth at OT right now. They have Gilbert, Colon, Scott (who will probably be cut because of his relatively high cap number and garbage play) and Trevis Turner (p.s. player last year). I could argue that with Foster, Legursky, Kemoeatu and Chris Scott (who was fighting for a spot in this years draft) there is more depth there. However though both have little depth, the OG position has little talent as well.
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Absolutely no way is the combination of Ramon Foster and Doug Legursky better than (healthy) Willie Colon and Marcus Gilbert.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 16, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
There are only 2 starters on the oline the rest is gaaarbaage
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3 potential starters
Pouncey, Gilbert and Colon. After that there is very little talent on the line.
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Assuming colon is healthy but where?
Never played g and Gilbert is rt tackle
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 20, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Starks?
He could come back after the ACL heals up (god was extra pissed at us, blew out like 4 ACLs in the last two weeks).
But if Colon can stay healthy (doubtful) and Gilbert improves and goes to left (hopefully) we could have a pretty decent pair of anchors. Nothing great but better than previous years.
If starks comes back Colon can move inside.
Unfortunately we’re asking often injured people to not get injured for all this magic to happen. Why can’t we get linesman that don’t get hurt?
Starks won't be back
If you thought he blew up after his neck injury, you haven’t seen nothin yet. Imagine the tonnage he’s going to pack on, while he’s sitting on the couch, rehabing his knee.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 16, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
On a side note..
What do you guys think about Big Snack hurting his ACL…will he be able to stay low on the “snack” consumption?
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 17, 2012 4:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup, he's done
Older player, with a diminishing skill set, and high cap number. Perfect recipe to become a cap casualty.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why do ppl
always assume the past will repeat itself? Lets take a wait and see approach.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Because it has?
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
So that means it will continue right?
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Probably yes
Just like our offensive line has continued to be horrible for the past 4 years. It will most likely be mediocre/average this year as well.
I hope that Colon gets healthy and Gilbert makes a smooth transition to LT, but I’m not holding my breath.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'll wait and see.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Why can’t we get linesman that don’t get hurt?
got to be sump’n in the water………beer. Damn can we catch a break on the O-line.
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Conditioning, plain and simple.
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I said depth not talent...
The fact that we have three starters (though below average) and a a guy who compete last year for the starting spot is much deeper then two talented guys and no one behind them. Of course Gilbert and Colon are far more talented then any combination of Kemoeatu, Foster, Legursky and Scott.
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OT is important......
Steelers can get a good tackle in the 2nd or 3rd though. Gilbert seems to be the Left Tackle going forward so they are really looking for a Right Tackle.
Steelers can get a good tackle in the 2nd or 3rd though.
That is debatable OT is one of the thinnest positions in the draft this year and it is a position almost every one needs. You have the main three guy who will come in and improve the line immediately. Then Mike Adams who is good but has some technique flaws that need fixing. After that you have no one who really have that ability save Andrew Datko but his shoulder injury is huge. Datko has the athleticism but if he can get stronger he can’t even be a starter. The rest Sanders is horrible, Potter needs to get bigger an stronger, Massie may be able to play RT but not LT then no one else.
At OG you have 7 guys in my opinion who could come in and start in their rookie years. At CB you have 12 guys who could play their rookie years. At NT your thin with 2 guys who I think could play there rookie years and one that could start eventually when healthy.
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We'll have to see how things shake up
after the combine. At this time last year, no one was projecting Marcus Gilbert as a second round talent.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nice thread!
Anyone have a place where I can match the faces with the names?
I went to b@n earlier to get a draft mag so I could take a look at sum of these guys but they didn’t have any!
Any good sites some of you wizards around here frequent?
I thought Mohamad Sanu looked awesome.
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by barnerburner on Feb 16, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
profootballweekly.com
is also good. They are one of the few sights that takes the time to assign draft grades.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
What about the jets nt pouha?
Do we have the cap space to go after a guy like him?
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no..
if the jets cant resign him (they really really really want him back) we certainly cant.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 16, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Is it just about the money though
or is he a bit dissatisfied with the Jets?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Knowing the Steelers
I think they will do their due diligence at both these positions and others. If they can get a FA guard for the right money then they will look at NT higher, if they can get a NT for the right money then they may take a guard higher. I also don’t think one negates the other, they might be able to sign FA’s to both spots and still use early picks on those spots and use the FA’s as stopgaps. They could also just draft BPA and sign whichever FA’s are available at those postions after the draft. It will come down to the money, if they can get greater value at one position over another than that may adjust their needs for the draft and so on. We also have no idea how they value players that are already on the roster but may not have gotten much playing time, it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t draft early or sign FA’s early at those spots and went in with guys they know already, it’s happened before and worked out pretty good for them, I have faith that whatever they do is the right decision and will work out for the best.
What about.....
Drafting decastro
And signing Pouha as a free agent NT.
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DeCastro is a top 15 pick, unless something crazy happens.
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2012 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
Should we
hypnotize the GMs ahead of us and tell them DeCastro is the worst guard prospect to come out in years?
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Are you up to the task? :)
Maybe come up in the draft.
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I am agree
NT’s on the open market cost quite a bit. Especially those 3-4 NT’s, the talent pool is small and the demand is high.
To me we need to draft one simply due to numbers. If Snack and Smith aren’t starters next year, and I doubt they will be, that leaves us with 4 lineman. We’d need at least two more, so why not go high with one in the draft and pickup a mid-level veteran (kinda like Cotchery) to help out and educate the young guys.
We only need ONE guard to play, but we usually play 4-5 lineman in any one game.
One LEFT guard
I obviously know there are two guards.
Guards are very deep
In this draft class. Free agent NTs cost a fortune and the Steelers are gonna struggle to get under the cap.
Im more worried about Cincy signing Wallace. However trade Wallace,Chris k & Foote to Philly. Swap first rd places and get Philly’s two seconds or 2nd & 3rd.
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Philly might want Wallace
but I doubt they would trade for the other two.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
He is a guy who loves football...
He also loves the family like atmosphere on the defense and especially that D-line. I am sure he is seeking all possibilities and discussing it with his family. I think he will eventually come to the solution that for the sake of his family he can no longer continue to play. It will be hard but his kids are young and I am sure he want to be able to play with them and enjoy watching them grow. This is a reality that is increasingly challenged if he continues to play. Then he has to work out the retirement with the organization because unlike Hoke he is under contract this year (2012). The Steelers will probably work out some type of smaller payment as a thank you.
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He’s not sure he’s done yet. Our situation doesn’t suggest he’d be back here, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t go somewhere else. Someone would take a chance on him at the vet minimum. He’s too experienced not to, and his reputation is that of a mentor.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 17, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
If he is going to accept the vet minimum
I would rather take the chance that he remains healthy for the Steelers. There should be some dead money anyway with him.
Hmmm
Smith comes back as a back up.
Does that mean hood is the future NT?
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