BTSC Draft Forum: Running Back Seen as a Mid-Round Option in the 2012 NFL Draft
In the second part of our Draft Forum series, we dig into the running back position in the draft as well as free agency. The days of the Workhorse Back are behind us, and with guys like Fred Jackson, Matt Forte and DeMarco Murray rushing and catching passes to a high degree of success, value in both player addition markets seems abundant.
The Steelers face an interesting dilemma at that position. In what looked to be a pretty stable group going into 2012 in January turned into perhaps the most anticipated training camp competition when RB Rashard Mendenhall tore his ACL in Week 17. His availability for the start of training camp is all but gone, and he could even miss the start of the regular season. Also, veteran RB Mewelde Moore is a free agent, and 2011 7th round pick Baron Batch (a guy our panel loves) is returning from an ACL tear of his own. How will all of these things factor into the running back position this offseason?
Background: RB Rashard Mendenhall tore an ACL on the final game of the season. Recently, General Manager Kevin Colbert said he "never feels good" about the health of a player for a year after the injury. While it's possible Mendenhall plays this season, free agency and the draft will occur well before any definitive word on Mendenhall's availability will come.Question: Considering the current depth of running backs (Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer, John Clay and Baron Batch), do you feel his injury makes that position a priority in the draft and/or free agency? Will any effort be made to re-sign veteran Mewelde Moore?
RB is always a position that front offices around the NFL are looking to fill with cheap talent, and that doesn't change with us. Although our need isn't as pertinent as other teams, I believe it would be beneficial to add a faster, change-of-pace RB on day 3 of the draft. IMO unless Batch's knee can't hold up and we cut both Clay and Dwyer, Mewelde Moore's days as a Steeler are numbered. Some prospects I would target are: Cyrus Gray (Texas A&M), Ronnie Hillman (San Diego State), Tauren Poole (Tennessee), and Adonis Thomas (Toledo).
- Parris Brantley
The Steelers have sworn by their ability to find running back talent both inside and outside the draft since Willie Parker, an undrafted back from North Carolina, exploded through the league. While it may not be a need, the amount of talented backs Pittsburgh has produced over the last eight years, and the frequency in which they've brought them in, suggests strongly they'll be looking late in the draft for a diamond in the rough.
Is it really worth it, though?
The Steelers should be OK at the running back position in 2012. They have enough horses in the stable to give the team production in the running game.
While it's nice to have a back with big play ability, the Steelers offense doesn't need big plays from their backs to stay on schedule. In the same interview, where Colbert discussed Mendenhall's prognosis for the 2012 season, he also stated that Redman has "established himself as an NFL running back". That's all the endorsement I need, regarding Redman's ability to top the depth chart at RB.
Although I would have liked to have seen more, I was encouraged by what I saw from Jonathan Dwyer and John Clay, and that was with no work in the off season. That won't be the case heading into 2012, and I'm sure both will get much more attention during the off season. The real wild card is Baron Batch. Worst case scenario, he can become a solid replacement for Mewelde Moore. Best case scenario, he turns out to be a poor man's Ray Rice, and becomes the Steelers primary back this season.
- Greig Clawson
Batch was lauded for his willingness to block before tearing his ACL in training camp, and showed a strong ability to step up and stone pass rushers. Pass blocking is a major factor in a young running back's ability to get on the field. If he can't do it, opponents will see that and be able to key on the offense's intention when he's out there.
Batch is still a wait-and-see prospect, let's not forget he was a 7th round draft pick. He'll compete basically as a rookie in this camp against a positional group that all saw carries this season.
And that's before the draft, which could see the Steelers add a dynamic athlete who may not have first-round size or speed, but a more underrated trait: pass catching ability. RB Dexter McCluster had 41 catches in Todd Haley's offense last year. Jamaal Charles had 45 in 2010.
I really do not feel like running back should be a priority in the draft. Personally, I think Redman can be just as productive as Mendenhall. He does not have burner speed, but I think he fights for extra yards on "tough" carries better than Rashard. He has more of that "fall forward" style that I used to love in Bettis (no he is not "The Next Bettis").
Additionally, I still have pretty lofty hopes for Batch (see Moore not resigned). The kid was making waves in camp and I hope that carries over to this year. Furthermore, I read somewhere that Haley does a great job with pass catching backs. So, as far as the draft goes, I don't see them investing a 1-4 round pick on a RB, but I wouldn't be surprised if they took a late speedster to add another dynamic.
- John Stephens
Because of his presence (and low price tag), the Steelers will give Batch the opportunity to compete for Moore's spot in training camp. Moore won't be re-signed immediately, but could return if Batch or anyone else underwhelms.
Speed kills, though. You can never have enough of it. If that kind of running back is available on Day 3, I think they'll pull the trigger. Considering Redman and Clay both were products of the Steelers' practice squad, and Dwyer spent his rookie season inactive for nearly every game, bringing in another back through the system seems to work well.
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I think J. Dwyer will really thrive
if the depth chart affords him the opportunity to get his hands on the ball. I have been really impressed with him in the limited pre-season and regular season action he has gotten, and at one point leading up to the draft two years ago he was regularly regarded as being right behind Ryan Matthews who the Chargers traded up to get in the 1st. Time will tell, but I still think we got a real steal getting Dwyer in the 6th rd.
As long as he stays in shape
I completely agree with you. I have no idea where he plans on spending the off-season, but hopefully he is hard at work.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have said it before
I think it behooves the Steelers to be proactive with Dwyer and make certain he hooks up with a reliable personal trainer. Even if they had to pay the trainer I think the benefits would be worth it to the organization.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Good call
Make it a condition of employment.
I hope last year was a fluke, because teams had no way to keep tabs on their players due to the lock out. That won’t be a problem this year, because players will have access to the teams facilities during the off-season, and the team can begin to coordinate team activities in mid April.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're on it with the "Mid-Round" aspect
I think Mendy will be back a few games into the season, but not in the lead back role immediately. I’m think Redman will get the bulk of carries, we will see what Dwyer is really made if, and we can expect to see a little Clay thrown in. I say re-sign MeMo, since he won’t be relied on as a lead, but as a change-of-pace recording back as he usually has been. Also, he’s the stabile vet who knows the offense. But there’s no guarantee Mendy returns to form, and if we can find more Redmans & Clays, then we should definitely bring one in for this season.
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 17, 2012 12:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Again....
Autocorrect typos…lol
“receiving” back…but if he’s recording, that’s cool too. See what he can lay down. :)
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Comfort Level
I have a reasonable comfort level with the backs we have. Plus, I think Haley can scheme to put our current backs in positions where they can thrive.
I only see Moore being back for either a vet minimum type of contract (and even then he may not make the team) or if we hit by the injury bug in camp.
rb
I hope the steelers pick Lamichael James his speed and catching could realy elevate the offense,
If he is there in the 5th round
there is a chance they might.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Day 3
I would not be surprised to see the Steelers pick a RB in some where in the last 4 rounds of this draft.
Batch may miss spring OTAs and Mendy will start the season on the PUP list.
Redman I feel is a given, but the rest are still to unproven to be counted as possible starters or number 2 RBs.
I look for the Steelers to pick for a RB in the draft
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Batch
In the videos that Batch was posting, he looked pretty decent. His recovery seems to be coming along just fine.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
im sorry. i have serious problems with this statement:
The real wild card is Baron Batch. Worst case scenario, he can become a solid replacement for Mewelde Moore.
its thinking like this that turns a team into the Browns. lets all remember this guy fell to the 7th round not because of lack of talent but because of a serious injury history. what did he do when he got to camp? he tore an ACL. we can’t will him into stardom because we like his personality. worst case scenario: we get absolutely nothing from him. and thats actually more likely than anything else if history tells us anything.
Rooney and Colbert are businessmen. they have to operate in a worst case scenario 100% of the time. we have 1 proven runner going into next season (Redman) so our depth at RB is a serious issue right now.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 17, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions
He fell because he went to a college that never ran. He had an injury, not an injury history. Where did you get that from? The only thing I remember is a strained calf in the last game of his college career
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Batch
broke his ankle in 2006, and a sports hernia injury in 2010. He played in every game during the 2008, 2009, and 2010 seasons.
I don’t put any stock in where he was drafted. The coaches had the opportunity to evaluate him in training camp last season, and every indication suggests that they were impressed. The ACL should be a concern, but let’s not forget that Mendenhall fractured his shoulder on his 19th NFL carry.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I like Batch, too.
But let’s be perfectly clear on this:
His blog has shown us mote since he was drafted than he has as a football player. That’s just fact.
It’s hard not to love the guy. I personally think he’ll be fine. But I’m setting my expectations at “serviceable.” Anything more will be a bonus on the field. In the locker room I’m sure he will be an asset. I’m pulling for him. But I’m not willing to keep him on the team just cuz he’s a great guy.
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 17, 2012 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*shown us MORE
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 17, 2012 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
depth at RB is an issue
because the Steelers lack proven runner’s, but drafting an unproven rookie will somehow address that?
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
true. but thats not what i said
i only said that RB depth is a serious issue. plus, if thats the attitude you have you might as well trade all your picks for proven veterans, since according to that logic drafting a rookie to add depth doesnt help.
im sorry if my previous comment sounded antagonistic, i just cant imagine that Colbert is thinking “well, we have Batch so at least we have a decent replacement for Moore”. as a businessman you can’t think that way, you have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. worst case scenario, none of our RBs outside Redman are able to play at a high level by the start of the season so we’ll need to bring in someone who we think can play at a high level.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 17, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I feel fine with the runninb backs we have now
Even if Mendenhall misses some time next year, I think we will do fine with Redman and Dwyer splitting carries with Batch coming in occasionally. That said I am all for getting a guy late in the draft to get some competition going, and maybe keep on the practice squad just in case.
But I would rather see focus put on the line. I believe that in todays day and age if an offensive line does a good job than most running backs can at least be decent.
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I think they only draft a RB if they don’t feel Dwyer will pan out.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
mid rd running back- Chris Rainey
He might be the fastest player at the combine. Can run catch out of the backfield or fill in at WR. Had 6 blocked punts in college. Would immediately start getting reps a PR and KR to free up Antonio Brown. I have him going in the 5th.
We need a Chris Rainey,Isaiah Peads type back/returner to replace A.Brown. He’s too valuable as a WR to keep returning kicks. I also like Joe Adams
by jollyrob68 on Feb 17, 2012 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A return guy would be nice
The only problem I have with Rainey, is at 172 lbs, he’s limited to special teams. I return guy I like is Brandon Boykin (Georgia). Boykin is a solid mid round CB prospect, but he also led the SEC in return yards this past season. He can step in week 1 and return kicks, and has the potential to develop in to a solid nickle corner later on.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 17, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds good to me. I'm really impressed by his highlight vid
Great straightline speed and sick cutting ability and moves.
by houksyndrome on Feb 18, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
Steelers issue is they dont trust there backs.
They need to use the backs they have and can get a speedy guy late in the draft. Although I like Isaiah Peads. They need to use backs like the Goants do. I also want FA FB LeRon Mclain
by jollyrob68 on Feb 17, 2012 3:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We should be fine at RB and I think Clay and Dwyer will do just fine and I believe Batch is a steal and hope his ACL is good in seeing him getting alot of carries, But I think Clay will share the carries with Redman. Moore will be released and it would not hurt to draft a RB possibly a good return man.
I like the thought of a returner
I totally agree that brown is way too important as a wr to keep risking him as a returner. A fast rb to use as a return man and fill in on offense as needed would be great.
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Do we have to draft for rb depth
or could we find and develop an undrafted guy. I think with the depth we have an undrafted guy is adequate but whatever I havent been hired to do the details:)
However this got me an erection…. ""but a more underrated trait: pass catching ability. RB Dexter McCluster had 41 catches in Todd Haley’s offense last year. Jamaal Charles had 45 in 2010"
Thats about three pass attempts every game. That alone will make an incremental improvement to the OL performance! and I think the consistency of the passing attack.
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--Aristotle
Agreed
I like the idea of seeing what Mendy can do if Haley has the ball thrown to him a few times a game. I think Batch would look really good doing that so lets hope he stays healthy.
by steelerintexas on Feb 18, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Competition is good
I can see us going for a RB in Rnds 5-7. IMO the later the better since we have pronounced needs (OT,OT, NT, ILB, S, OLB, TE) that rank higher. Parris mentioned some solid backs (Hillman & Poole)—that I think will be gone and I do NOT want us to make this pick early. Is it possible that Haley might want a McCluster type back – quick, fast, small great for dump offs & quick screens after our WR spread the defense? Guys like Rainey 5’8" 176 4.4 (probably gone by Rnd 5); Tavoy Moore 5’6" 193 4.4; Michael Smith 5’8" 206 4.3-could give the Offense a dimension that we haven’t had since…ever?

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