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BTSC Draft Forum: Evaluating Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill

BTSC's Draft Forum has discussed the avenues the Steelers may take with the running back position as well as comparing the value of an offensive lineman with a nose tackle in the 2012 NFL Draft and free agency.

As the NFL Scouting Combine draws near, our esteemed panel has been discussing individual prospects and the level of interest teams may have in them.

We start off with Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill. The Steelers are highly unlikely to draft a quarterback in the first round (read: not happening), but Tannehill is being talked about as a potential mid-to-late first round prospect, and could be the target of a team trading up or down with Pittsburgh. We turn to our forum to answer some questions.

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Background: We have highlighted the possible benefits of the Steelers trading down from the 24th overall pick. We know that teams have traded up or back into the first round to select a quarterback 14 times in the past 10 drafts, and five of those 14 picks came within three slots of where the Steelers are drafting this year. Obviously, each draft is unique; but it's tough to dismiss those occurrences as anomalies.

Question: Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill has been largely overshadowed by the hype of Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. I see him as a talented project, but one who will likely draw a first-round pick nonetheless. What is your opinion on Tannehill as a passer, and do you feel he'd be available at 24? If he's there, what do you think the odds are of the Steelers trading down with someone who wants him?

Quarterbacks generally go higher than expected. Tannehill will probably benefit from a desperate team buying into the inflation of his position. Can you tell I don't love him as a prospect? His arm strength and accuracy are subpar, he lacks extensive experience at QB, and his decision making is not superb either. That being said, he is an athletic kid who has a pass first mentality. That is all the rage in the NFL right now and I think a team will gamble on him before the 24th pick. If he is still alive at 24 and someone wants to trade with us, I think we should take it unless someone high on our board fell a lot deeper than they should have.

- John Stephens

While many outlets disagree in terms of his arm strength and accuracy, Tannehill's main issue at this point is the broken foot that kept him out of the Senior Bowl and will keep him from working out at the combine this coming week.

The hype exists, whether or not it is actually founded on anything yet (his purportedly rising stock could largely be due to the typical politicking for certain players done through the media this time of year). The reality though is that teams are likely to only see Tannehill throw once - at Texas A&M's Pro Day on March 7 - and they would really have to love him to take him higher than 24.

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I'm with John.

I don’t get the fuss about Tannehill either. He’s not even in my top five QBs in this draft.

by JDSpartan on Feb 18, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

That’s what I find so interesting about him. Opinions vary so much one way or another.

I think he’s got a good enough arm, and he’s mobile. If you’ve got guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick starting in this league, I don’t see why he couldn’t develop into a starter. Not sure we’d see him in a Pro Bowl (barring six other guys pulling out), but he’s got good tools.

Does that make him a viable first-round pick? ehhh…I think he’ll slide to the second like Dalton did. In a lot of ways, I think he’s closer to Jimmy Clausen than Dalton. Same kinds of reasons, too, but while the sum of Dalton’s whole was greater than the sum of his parts, Tannehill’s individual skills add up to more than what he shows on the field. That’s a red flag.

Lack of experience is probably the reason for that. How long do you want to wait for your first round pick to figure out how to put it all together?

by Neal Coolong on Feb 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Tavares Jackson is a starter

So of course Tannehill could be a starter in the NFL. But will he be anything other than a taller Colt McCoy? I doubt it.

He had a lot of chances to improve his numbers this past season and never took advantage of it. Doesn’t throw the ball well enough to function well in a pro offense and doesn’t play well against better defenses. Much more of an athlete than a passer.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 18, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Oh come ON! He’s not THAT bad! Is he?

by Neal Coolong on Feb 19, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't even as good as McCoy was at UT

Some coach would be taking a big leap of faith picking him in the 1st. Maybe they know something we dont.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that they are the end all to be all, but...

both Mayock and NFLDraftScout have him as the number 3-rated QB…inspite of all of the perceived negatives. I’m not arguing for or against Tannehill…nor do I watch a bunch of tape and I’m not even qualified to make a judgement. But Mayock is not stupid and has only his reputation to worry about. Nevertheless all of the speculation is fun…just sayin’… :)

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by Andy34 on Feb 18, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure there has ever been an NFL mocker or scout who can accurately rank QBs year in and year out. There is too much mentally about the NFL game that QBs are responsible to be able to guess where they will end up. That explains things like Drew Brees being a late second round pick, Brady being a 6th rounder, and Ryan Leaf being the 2nd pick of the draft. You just never know.

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by John Stephens on Feb 18, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Brees was taken with the first pick of the second round (32nd overall, year before Houston came into the league). Either way, teams would probably reconsider knowing what they know now…which goes to show why there’s no position in any sport harder to evaluate than the ceiling of a young quarterback.

I find it ironic the Chargers waived Leaf the same off-season they drafted Brees, but let Brees walk just three years later. And the Chargers traded out of the No. 1 spot that year and got Brees and Tomlinson – two Hall of Fame players – and neither will retire with that team.

by Neal Coolong on Feb 19, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Drew Brees was looked down upon because he is short. That was the biggest knock on him. They also said he had a “weak arm” IIRC. I remember discussing that with my friends and they though I over rated Brees, but I was sure he’d be special and that it was a mistake for these teams to pass on him like that.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Concur

If some team would want to trade and snatch him at the #24 spot, I’d be all for the trade given the right environment as John described.

by ToonaSteel on Feb 18, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

I also don’t think Tannehill is an immediate starter like Cam or Dalton was this year. He is a project QB still. I actually think he has just as many downs played as a WR than as a QB. Oddly enough, we currently now have the QB (Jerrod Johnson) who was throwing to him.

by ToonaSteel on Feb 18, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Does...
…the sum of Dalton’s whole(sic) was greater than the sum of his parts,

…make him Mike Brown’s “catcher”, and not his “pitcher”?

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by PaVaSteeler on Feb 18, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

“Not that there’s anything wrong with that…”

by Neal Coolong on Feb 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Tannehill would be a wasted pick. He makes terrible decisions and that’s unlikely to change. He was, at best, the 4th best QB in the big 12.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Feb 18, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

How does he compare with, say, Christian Ponder?

Ponder went in first last year, didn’t he? Can’t remember. Anyway, all it takes is one team to convince themselves that he can be their Drew Brees.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 18, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

Ponder is a West-Coast QB

Tannehill was a former WR turned QB, much like Big Ben was at Miami (OH). He has a bigger arm than Ponder, but isn’t as accurate. Ponder has had some really good games in college under that pro system they ran at FSU, while Tannehill has benefited from playing in the spread against some awful Big 12 defenses.

Tannehill isn’t awful, he’s just not as good as the scouts think he is.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 19, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben wasn’t a WR at Miami. He was in high school (by where I live) He had to play WR because the coaches son was playing quarterback until his senior year. That’s when we all started hearing about him a lot around here.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Feb 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ponder played 3 years as a starter

Tannehill was a starting QB for only one. Ponder was easily more refined than Tannehill, which is obvious considering how much longer he played. Ponder had a lot of injury concerns coming out and really didn’t impress all that much at FSU. The big knock on Tannehill is experience as he has very little.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on Feb 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  


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