5 Round NFL Mock Draft

by seton hall and steelers on Feb 2, 2012 2:37 PM EST

I decided to skip explanations because I wanted to get it out before the Super Bowl. Criticize and complement this mock in the comments section.

Originally posted at Draft Database

Round 1

1. Indianapolis (2-14) – Team Needs: QB, OG, OC, 2CB, WR, SS, TE, DE, LB, RB – Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

2. St. Louis (2-14) – 2OT, 2WR, 2OLB, FS, CB, DT, OC, RB, FB – Matt Kalil, OT, USC

3. Minnesota (3-13) – LT, CB, WR, S, OG, 2LB, DT, FB, RB3 – Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

4. Cleveland (4-12) – QB, WR, RT, DE, CB, OLB, RB, OG, FS, DT, K – Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor

5. Tampa Bay (4-12) – 2CB, 2LB, RT, WR, OC, RB, LG, FB, DT, QB, K – Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

After the jump see the rest of the mock draft

6. Washington (5-11) – QB, WR, LG, ILB, RT, CB, NT, TE, OC, SS, K, Rush LB – Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

7. Jacksonville (5-11) – QB, WR, 2CB, DE, FS, RT, P, OC, LB – Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina

8. Miami (6-10) – QB, RT, Rush LB, NT, FS, RG, CB, TE, DE, ILB – Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford

9. Carolina (6-10) – DT, CB, LB, RT, 2S, RG, WR, K – Quinton Coples, DE/DT, North Carolina

10. Buffalo (6-10) – 2 Rush LB, WR, LT, CB, QB, DE, TE – Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

11. Kansas City (7-9) – QB, RT, NT, CB, OG/OC, TE, RB, Rush LB, ILB – Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

12. Seattle (7-9) – QB, RDE, OG, DT, LDE, CB, RB – Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

13. Arizona (8-8) – RT, WR, ILB, DE, Rush LB, RG, CB, QB, NT, K, P – Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame

14. Dallas (8-8) – CB, OC, OG, S, DE, OLB, ILB, Backup QB, P (if McBriar not resigned) – David DeCastro, OG, Stanford

15. Philadelphia (8-8) – LB, DT, CB, S, WR, TE – Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

16. New York Jets (8-8) – OLB, RT, FS, SS, RG, LG, WR, DE – Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois

17. Cincinnati - from Oakland (8-8) – CB, RB, S, OG, WR, DE, DT, Strong LB – Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

18. San Diego (8-8) – OLB, SS, OT, OG, TE, CB, NT, ILB, RB, WR, QB – Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC

19. Chicago (8-8) – WR1, OT, CB, DE, LB, OC, S, DT, QB – Mohammed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

20. Tennessee (9-7) – OC, 2OG, DE, 2S, Weak LB, CB, WR – Peter Konz, OG/OC, Wisconsin

21. Cincinnati* (9-7) - RB, S, OG, WR, DE, DT, Strong LB – Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia

22. Cleveland - from Atlanta* (10-6) - WR, RT, DE, CB, OLB, RB, OG, FS, DT, K – Lamar Miller, RB, Miami

23. Detroit* (10-6) – CB, OLB, OC, OG, LT – Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska

24. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – OG, ILB, NT, OT, S, K, CB, QB, RB – Mike Adama, OT, Ohio State

25. Denver* (8-8) – CB, RB, LG/RT, DT, WR – Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia

26. Houston* (10-6) – CB, WR, NT, S, OG, LB – Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

27. New England - from New Orleans* (13-3) – WR, CB, DT, OLB, S, RG, DE – Devon Still, DE/DT, Penn State

28. Green Bay* (15-1) – OLB, RB, CB, DE, S, LT, OC – Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina

29. Baltimore* (12-4) – ILB, OC, LT, FS, OG, WR (big), CB – Donta Hightower, ILB, Alabama

30. San Francisco* (13-3) – WR, RG, FS, CB, DE (depth), Rush LB – Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor

31. New York Giants* (9-7) – ILB, OG, OT, CB, TE, OC, RB – Zach Brown, ILB/OLB, North Carolina

32. New England* (13-3) - WR, CB, OLB, S, RG, DE – Michael Brockers, DE/DT, LSU

· Atlanta -> Cleveland: Julio Jones
· New Orleans -> New England: Mark Ingram
· Oakland -> Cincinnati: Carson Palmer

Round 2

· Oakland -> New England: Joseph Barksdale and Taiwan Jones
· Arizona -> Philadelphia: Kevin Kolb

St. Louis (2-14) - OT, 2WR, 2OLB, FS, CB, DT, OC, RB, FB – Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
Indianapolis (2-14) - OG, OC, 2CB, WR, SS, TE, DE, LB, RB – Kelechi Osemele, OG, Iowa State
Minnesota (3-13) - LT, WR, S, OG, 2LB, DT, FB, RB3 – Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Tampa Bay (4-12) - CB, 2LB, RT, WR, OC, RB, LG, FB, DT, QB, K – Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
Cleveland (4-12) - WR, RT, DE, CB, OLB, OG, FS, DT, K – Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
Jacksonville (5-11) - QB, 2CB, DE, FS, RT, P, OC, LB – Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
Washington (5-11) - QB, LG, ILB, RT, CB, NT, TE, OC, SS, K, Rush LB – Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Carolina (6-10) - CB, LB, RT, 2S, RG, WR, K – Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona State
Buffalo (6-10) - Rush LB, WR, LT, CB, QB, DE, TE – Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall
Miami (6-10) - QB, Rush LB, NT, FS, RG, CB, TE, DE, ILB – Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia
Seattle (7-9) - QB, RDE, OG, DT, LDE, CB – Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
Kansas City (7-9) - QB, NT, CB, OG/OC, TE, RB, Rush LB, ILB – Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis
Dallas (8-8) - CB, OC, S, DE, OLB, ILB, Backup QB, P – Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
Philadelphia (8-8) - DT, CB, S, WR, TE – Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
New York Jets (8-8) - RT, FS, SS, RG, LG, WR, DE – Mark Barron, S, Alabama
New England - from Oakland (8-8) - WR, CB, OLB, S, RG– Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
San Diego (8-8) - SS, OT, OG, TE, CB, NT, ILB, RB, WR, QB – Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
Chicago (8-8) - OT, CB, DE, LB, OC, S, DT, QB – Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
Philadelphia - from Arizona (8-8) - CB, S, WR, TE – Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State
Tennessee (9-7) - 2OG, DE, 2S, Weak LB, CB, WR – Brandon Washington, OG/OT, Miami
Cincinnati* (9-7)- RB, S, WR, DE, DT, Strong LB – David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
Detroit* (10-6) - OLB, OC, OG, LT – Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
Atlanta* (10-6) – LT, CB, OC, TE, DE, RB, ILB, RG, FS, WR, LB – Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
Pittsburgh* (12-4) - OG, ILB, NT, S, K, CB, QB, RB – Alameda Ta’amu, NT, Washington
Denver* (8-8) - RB, LG/RT, DT, WR – Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Houston* (10-6) - WR, NT, S, OG, LB – Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
New Orleans* (13-3) – OLB, DT, MLB, RT, OC, SS, WR, CB – Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
Green Bay* (15-1) - RB, CB, DE, S, LT, OC – Chris Polk, RB, Washington
Baltimore* (12-4) - OC, LT, FS, OG, WR (big), CB – Michael Brewster, OC, Ohio State
San Francisco* (13-3) - RG, FS, CB, DE (depth), Rush LB – Kevin Zeitler, OG/OC, Wisconsin
New York Giants* (9-7) - OG, OT, CB, TE, OC, RB – Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
New England* (13-3) - CB, OLB, S, RG– Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech

Round 3

Indianapolis (2-14) - OC, 2CB, WR, SS, TE, DE, LB, RB – Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
St. Louis (2-14) - OT, 2WR, OLB, FS, CB, DT, OC, RB, FB – Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
Minnesota (3-13) - LT, S, OG, 2LB, DT, FB, RB3 – Matt McCants, OT, UAB
Cleveland (4-12) - RT, DE, CB, OLB, OG, FS, DT, K – Fletcher Cox, DT/DE, Mississippi State
Tampa Bay (4-12) - CB, LB, RT, WR, OC, RB, LG, FB, DT, QB, K – Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
Washington (5-11) - LG, ILB, RT, CB, NT, TE, OC, SS, K, Rush LB – Amini Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State
Jacksonville (5-11) - QB, CB, DE, FS, RT, P, OC, LB – Casey Heyward, CB, Vanderbilt
Buffalo (6-10) - WR, LT, CB, QB, DE, TE – Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Miami (6-10) - QB, NT, FS, RG, CB, TE, DE, ILB – Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
Chicago - from Carolina (6-10) - OT, CB, LB, OC, S, DT, QB – Mitchell Schwarts, OT, California
Kansas City (7-9) - QB, CB, OG/OC, TE, RB, Rush LB, ILB – Philip Blake, OC, Baylor
Seattle (7-9) - RDE, OG, DT, LDE, CB – Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
Philadelphia (8-8) - CB, S, WR, TE – Winston Guy Jr, S, Kentucky
New York Jets (8-8) - RT, FS, RG, LG, WR, DE – Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
Oakland (8-8)
San Diego (8-8) - SS, OG, TE, CB, NT, ILB, RB, WR, QB – Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
Chicago (8-8) - CB, LB, OC, S, DT, QB – Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
Arizona (8-8) - RT, ILB, DE, Rush LB, RG, CB, QB, NT, K, P – Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
Dallas (8-8) - OC, S, DE, OLB, ILB, Backup QB, P – Ben Jones, OC, Georgia
Tennessee (9-7) - OG, DE, 2S, Weak LB, CB, WR – Trumaine Johnsone, CB/FS, Montana
Cincinnati* (9-7) - S, WR, DE, DT, Strong LB – Kawaan Short, DT, Purdue
Atlanta* (10-6) - CB, OC, TE, DE, RB, ILB, RG, FS, WR, LB – David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Detroit* (10-6) - OC, OG, LT – Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State
Pittsburgh* (12-4) - OG, ILB, S, K, CB, QB, RB – Senio Kelemente, OG, Washington
Denver* (8-8) - LG/RT, DT, WR – Jared Crick, DT/DE, Nebraska
Houston* (10-6) - NT, S, OG, LB – Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
New Orleans* (13-3) - OLB, MLB, RT, OC, SS, WR, CB – Audie Cole, ILB, N.C. State
Green Bay* (15-1) - CB, DE, S, LT, OC – Kendall Reyes, DE/DT, Connecticut
Baltimore* (12-4) - LT, FS, OG, WR (big), CB – Brandon Taylor, S, LSU
San Francisco* (13-3) - FS, CB, DE (depth), Rush LB – Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
New York Giants* (9-7) - OG, OT, CB, OC, RB – LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
New England* (13-3) - OLB, S, RG– Cam Johnson, DE/OLB, Virginia

· Carolina -> Chicago: Greg Olsen
· Raiders used 3rd-round pick on Terrelle Pryor in supplemental draft

Round 4

· Atlanta -> Cleveland: Julio Jones
· Oakland -> Washington: Jason Campbell
· Tampa Bay -> Philadelphia: Luke Stocker
· Baltimore -> Buffalo: Lee Evans

St. Louis (2-14) - OT, WR, OLB, FS, CB, DT, OC, RB, FB – Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
Indianapolis (2-14) - OC, CB, WR, SS, TE, DE, LB, RB – T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Minnesota (3-13) - S, OG, 2LB, DT, FB, RB3 – Danny Trevathan, LB, Kentucky
Philadelphia - from Tampa Bay (4-12) - CB, WR, TE – Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa
Cleveland (4-12) - RT, CB, OLB, OG, FS, DT, K – Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
Jacksonville (5-11) - QB, DE, FS, RT, P, OC, LB – Shea McClellin, DE, Boise State
Washington (5-11) - ILB, RT, CB, NT, TE, OC, SS, K, Rush LB – Jerry Franklin, ILB, Arkansas
Miami (6-10) - NT, FS, RG, CB, TE, DE, ILB – Ryan Miller, OG, Colorado
Carolina (6-10) - CB, RT, 2S, RG, WR, K – Don Barclay, OT, West Virginia
Buffalo (6-10) - WR, LT, CB, QB, DE – Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Seattle (7-9) - RDE, OG, LDE, CB – Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
Kansas City (7-9) - QB, CB, TE, RB, Rush LB, ILB – Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
New York Jets (8-8) - FS, RG, LG, WR, DE – Lucas Nix, OG, Pittsburgh
Washington - from Oakland (8-8) - RT, CB, NT, TE, OC, SS, K, Rush LB – Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College
San Diego (8-8) - SS, OG, CB, NT, ILB, RB, WR, QB – Tony Dye, S, UCLA
Chicago (8-8) - LB, OC, S, DT, QB – Sean Spence, LB, Miami
Arizona (8-8) - RT, ILB, Rush LB, RG, CB, QB, NT, K, P – Tank Carder, ILB, TCU
Dallas (8-8) - S, DE, OLB, ILB, Backup QB, P – Logan Harrell, DE/DT, Fresno State
Philadelphia (8-8) - WR, TE – Joe Adams, WR/KR, Arkansas
Tennessee (9-7) - OG, DE, S, Weak LB, CB, WR – Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
Cincinnati* (9-7) - S, WR, DE, Strong LB – Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Detroit* (10-6) - OC, OG – David Molk, OC, Michigan
Cleveland - from Atlanta* (10-6) - CB, OLB, OG, FS, DT, K – Emmanuel Acho, OLB, Texas
Pittsburgh* (12-4) - ILB, S, K, CB, QB, RB – Chris Marve, ILB, Vanderbilt
Denver* (8-8) - LG/RT, WR – Tim Benford, WR, Tennessee Tech
Houston* (10-6) - S, OG, LB – Lonnie Edwards, OG, Texas Tech
New Orleans* (13-3) - OLB, RT, OC, SS, WR, CB – Nico Johnson, OLB, Alabama
Green Bay* (15-1) - CB, S, LT, OC – Cliff Harris, CB/PR, Oregon
Buffalo - from Baltimore* (12-4) - LT, CB, QB, DE – Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
San Francisco* (13-3) - CB, DE (depth), Rush LB – DeQuan Menzie, CB, Alabama
New York Giants* (9-7) - OG, OT, CB, OC – Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas
New England* (13-3) - S, RG– Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami University

Round 5

Indianapolis (2-14) - OC, CB, SS, TE, DE, LB, RB – Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia
Denver - from St. Louis (2-14) - LG/RT – Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
Minnesota (3-13) - S, OG, LB, DT, FB, RB3 – Rokevious Watkins, OG, South Carolina
Cleveland (4-12) - CB, OLB, OG, FS, DT, K – Terrell Manning, OLB, N.C. State
Tampa Bay (4-12) - CB, RT, WR, OC, RB, LG, FB, DT, QB, K – Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
Washington (5-11) - RT, NT, TE, OC, SS, K, Rush LB – Blake DeChristopher, OT, Virginia Tech
Jacksonville (5-11) - QB, FS, RT, P, OC, LB – Trenton Robinson, S, Michigan State
Carolina (6-10) - CB, RT, 2S, RG, WR, K – Coryell Judie, CB, Texas A&M
Buffalo (6-10) - LT, CB, DE – Mike Ryan, OT, Connecticut
Miami (6-10) - NT, FS, CB, TE, DE, ILB – Nicolas Jean-Baptise, NT, Baylor
Kansas City (7-9) - CB, TE, RB, Rush LB, ILB – Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
Seattle (7-9) - OG, LDE, CB – Rishaw Johnson, OG, California (PA)
Oakland (8-8) – NT, Rush LB, OG, OC, CB, RT, SS, ILB, DE, RB – William Vlachos, OG, Alabama
San Diego (8-8) - OG, CB, NT, ILB, RB, WR, QB – J.K. Schaffer, ILB, Cincinnati
Chicago (8-8) - OC, S, DT, QB – Neiko Thorpe, S, Auburn
Arizona (8-8) - RT, Rush LB, RG, CB, QB, NT, K, P – Joel Foreman, OG, Michigan State
Dallas (8-8) - S, OLB, ILB, Backup QB, P – Keenan Robinson, OLB, Texas
Philadelphia (8-8) - TE – Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple
New York Jets (8-8) - FS, LG, WR, DE – Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan
Tennessee (9-7) - OG, S, Weak LB, CB, WR – Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky
Cincinnati* (9-7) - S, DE, Strong LB – Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
Atlanta* (10-6) - CB, OC, DE, RB, ILB, RG, FS, WR, LB – Julian Miller, DE, West Virginia
Detroit* (10-6) - OG – Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
Pittsburgh* (12-4) - S, K, CB, QB, RB – Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
Denver* (8-8) - LG/RT – Josh Oglesby, OT, Wisconsin
Houston* (10-6) - S, LB – Delano Howell, S, Stanford
New Orleans* (13-3) - RT, OC, SS, WR, CB – Eric Page, WR, Toledo
Green Bay* (15-1) - S, LT, OC – Eddie Whitley, S, Virginia Tech
Baltimore* (12-4) - LT, OG, WR (big), CB – Marvin Jones, WR, California
San Francisco* (13-3) - DE (depth), Rush LB – Tony Jerod-Eddie, DE, Texas A&M
New York Giants* (9-7) - OG, CB, OC – Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
Cincinnati - from New England* (13-3) - S, Strong LB – Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin

· New England -> Cincinnati: Chad Ochocinco
· St. Louis -> Denver: Brandon Lloyd

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Nice draft for us

I doubt Baltimore would pass on Burfict though. Seems like the kind of player Baltimore would take a risk on

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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions

Not too bad!

A couple things of particular note to me:

Love the spot for Kirk Cousins – Miami needs some class and when Matt Moore collapses he gets to start :)

I can’t see Kirkpatrick that high after his marijuana issues, especially in Tampa, who needs to get some high-character guys in that locker room.

I don’t know about Richardson going to Seattle.

Great picks for the Steelers, though I think I’d rather see Tank Carder in the third than Senio Kelemete… not a big deal though. Getting Adams in the first and Ta’Amu in the second would be great.

by JDSpartan on Feb 2, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions

Nice Draft

there is no way in the world the Panthers would take Burfict.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 2, 2012 3:27 PM EST reply actions

So the new OC gets

Mike Adams LT
Gilbert LG
Pouncey C
Senio Kelemente RG
Colon RT

With:
Legs, Foster, and Starks as backups.

I like him already.

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by SNW on Feb 2, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions

You can't like the OC

You have to hate him no matter what

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions

this is an ideal year to some how some way move up for multiple picks in the upper 3 rounds… specifically the second… Id be willing to trade off next yrs 2nd for another this yr, as I would love to get a few guys a few spots up from our drafting position in the sec round this yr to make a diff selection in the first, thus adding a quailty ILB, OG, and DT-NT a notch above what will be available….

by OR69faithfull on Feb 2, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions

Burfit, Osemelle, and Poe...

give me those three this yr, and i dont care about rounds 4-7 of 2nd round next yr…

by OR69faithfull on Feb 2, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

+100000

by blitzzburgh on Feb 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

Pass on Osemelle.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Feb 3, 2012 6:05 AM EST up reply actions

Not sure about a tackle in the first round

But im not too familiar with Adams. Would he be able to play guard also? Though I am open to a LT provided we move Colon to guard. I think Gilbert played well enough at RT to keep him at that spot unless we think he can play on the left side.

Also this year I think we may end up taking a linebacker in the first two rounds. At worst I think we will pick one up in the third. The FO seems to value the position a lot and we could use some guys on the inside and an outside linebacker wouldnt surprise me either. I dont think anyone wants to see Timmons on the outside ever again.

by steelerintexas on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions

I don't think Adams makes it to 24

There is speculation his workouts will push him ahead of Martin as 3rd best OT.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 2, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions

yep

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Feb 3, 2012 6:05 AM EST up reply actions

Adams has the size and athleticism to be a LT

It’d be a waste to put him at G. His big knocks are his inconsistency and lacking of football smarts.

Potential starting LTs always go higher than expected, so I doubt we have a shot at him.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions

I'd rather have Jonathan Martin

Better pass blocker and more athletic than Adams.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions

I haven't read anything on Martin

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions

I got ya

Focus in on number 55, LT.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions

Oh

I haven’t watched anything because he’s projected as a top 10-15. We’ve got no chance

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions

Thats a lie sir

Martin is more polished in both areas of the game but he is not a better athlete that Mike Adams. Martin right now just knows how to use his hands and keep his balance better. To me Martin will be an above average LT or a really good RT.

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by Steel34D on Feb 3, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions

Just for posterity

Where would you put Martin if the Steelers got him and kept Gilbert at one of the tackle spots?

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 3, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions

Show me

I haven’t seen much with Adams to believe that he is as good as you say. He is more of a lumberer, and those types dont usually excel at LT in the NFL. Martin is much more smooth in his lateral movement and his feet are a lot better than Adams’. Martin shows the ability to beat the speed rush and step up to defend the inside move, both of which Adams kinda struggles with.

I’d prefer Martin at this point.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 4, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions

If I had to start a game right now I would want Martin as well. I said Adams was a better athlete. Martin is much more polished. He does a better job at keeping his balance which Adams had problems with and Martin uses his hands much better. This translated to better play. However I think Martin is an average athlete. I won’t be able to quantitatively prove this till the combine when I watch them move in space.

What I am saying is Adams has a higher ceiling then the already polished Martin. I will try to look for the Senior Bowl tape cause I only DVR it and can transfer it to online.

by Steel34D on Feb 4, 2012 3:44 AM EST up reply actions

http://youtu.be/Bv2pQBkBDrk

This is Ohio State v. Florida in 2011 Mike Adams never gets beat to the outside. However because of balance issue can get beat to the inside.

http://youtu.be/xsB5VMPs7fU

This is a Jonathan Martin breakdown video against Oregon, ASU and VT. It is from 2010 but he does get beat to the out side numerous times. However doesn’t get beat in general more than Adams.

by Steel34D on Feb 4, 2012 3:58 AM EST up reply actions

Here is one of Adams in 2010

http://youtu.be/Xx6k8TkQypk

He has quick feet he just doesn’t always keep them moving and will instead stop them and lean. However in this he did a good job on JJ Watt and Adrian Clayborne.

by Steel34D on Feb 4, 2012 4:05 AM EST up reply actions

Adams isn't a bad player

I just dont think he is as good as Martin, or will be in the future. Adams’ just looks very stiff in his lower body to me, whereas Martin is smaller, more agile, and can probably handle putting on a little more weight to get stronger.

I posted a link above to Martin’s game against Notre Dame last season and he looked very good.

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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 4, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions

I see

I guess we could trade up to get him but if we trade up I would rather it be for a guard or linebacker. I guess what we do will really depend on how the coaches feel about Gilberts ability to play on the left side.

by steelerintexas on Feb 3, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not sure how the coaches see it

But I don’t think Gilbert is athletic enough to be a good LT.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions

Ive always doubted his ability to be good long term at LT

But others seem to be optimistic about the idea. Problem is when you have as much success as the Steelers have its hard to find a good LT since they are all gone by the time we pick.

by steelerintexas on Feb 3, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions

I tend to agree with this

But I thought Gilbert was a terrible selection to begin with, so I am not going to underestimate him again.

I think if Gilbert did move to the left side, he would be very much like Max Starks (as in he would be above average, but never great). I think Gilbert can be a top-5 to 10 RT in the game though if he progresses a little more.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

Don't really like going with offensive tackle in 1st round

I think Pittsburgh has to go with a guard in the 1st round, and then a NT or ILB in the 2nd and third depending on BPA at that position in those respective rounds. And this is also a year that Pitt should really consider moving around in the draft. If they could make moves in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd round, even if it means having no picks past the 3rd round and/or giving up picks in next years draft I think the front office should consider it. This team is 2 or 3 good quality players to fill the big holes in the team away from getting back to the superbowl and winning.
Wide receivers are set, QB is set, cornerbacks are set, safeties are good for at least another year or two, defensive ends are set, TEs are set, offensive tackles are good enough, center is great, running backs are good enough. A really good guard, good NT, and younger faster ILB that can cover would make this team a superbowl team IMO.

by blitzzburgh on Feb 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions

what about offensive tackle that can play guard?

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 3, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

Good for Baltimore

Might consider Brian Quick or Matt Reynolds in the 3rd, but Taylor is good. Would love to get Bernard Pierce in the 5th round if he really did fall that far (which I do not see happening)

Hightower and Brewster are fine by me though, but Burfict might be perfect!

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by Mr MaLoR on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions

One of Burfict's biggest issues in personal fouls

Since the Ravens never get these calls against them, he would indeed be a perfect fit in Baltimore.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 2, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

This will be green in no time.

by JDSpartan on Feb 2, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions

That is one of the benefits of having a disciplined team.

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by Mr MaLoR on Feb 2, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions

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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 2, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Or a lot of Zebra treats

i.e. bribe money

by Steel34D on Feb 2, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions

That’s also the benefit of having a whiny coach. The refs don’t want to listen to it so they make less calls against you.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions

That’s an Evan Skev type comment Yinzer.

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by Mr MaLoR on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions

BWT

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions

When did Evan Skev ever type something that was true?

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by FrankWyt on Feb 4, 2012 3:56 AM EST up reply actions

I would be upset if we took a tackle in the first

Really not a big need compared to some of the others.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions

Since I did this on mine

Starks ACL injury UFA
Scott due will be cut to save $2.2 million
That leaves the Steelers with Gilbert and Colon and literally no backups. The draft is weak at OT so taking one early may be the best shot to get someone who can contribute if needed.

by Steel34D on Feb 2, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

especially one as good as Adams

He will be gone in the top 20 of my next mock most likely

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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions

Really?

I wouldn’t be upset. Colon is injury prone. Starks will probably get fat again and he’s still bad against speed rushes. And Gilbert doesn’t look like an NFL LT to me. After that, I don’t like anyone we have.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions

depends on how Starks and Colon are progressing in their rehab

if they’re not doing well, then its a good pick. but if either one of them can come back and contribute then we have too much of a backlog at OT with not enough room for everyone to start. I dont like the idea of moving either Gilbert or Colon inside, they’re both tackles and could be a great tandem if Gilbert can develop into a good LT.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 2, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions

Wouldn't at all be unhappy

I don’t think Adams makes it that far though. He is going to shoot up boards and be over-drafted after workouts.

Love rounds 2 & 3. I agree with the positional need of ILB, but I don’t know if drafting a 4th-rounder there gives more value than later in the draft, unless of course you are talking BPA.

I want to see a K, FB, G, NT for sure in this draft with the rest of the picks filling out OT, WR, TE, DE, S.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 2, 2012 5:23 PM EST reply actions

Could Adams fall to 24?

Adams had a strong senior bowl and many boards have him climbing. I would like to have him fall to the Steelers. I cannot see Kendall Wright falling all the way to 30th. With a greater emphasis on speed and not needing to worry about being hit over the middle his value is much higher. I could see Houston, NE, Clev all taking him and Phila trading up to get him before 30. Many mocks I have seen have Jeffrey WR much lower and Still and Brockers much higher.
I see the Steelers going TE or tall WR in the first 5 rounds, why? With the Pats in the superbowl they keep showing how Gronkowski was the guy who propelled their redzone offense, an area the Steelers need a huge improvement in.
I don’t know if Marve has the size the Steelers need at ILB or if he is that much of an improvement over Sly. Broyles is not a bad player I just don’t know where he fits in a loaded WR corp.
If the players fall as you have them I would like to have;
1) Adams OT this is a no brainer- BPA and can help the team
2)Orson Charles TE- replaces Johnson at H-back and provide offensive boost a la Aaron Hernandez could take huge advantage of the defenseless receiver rule
3) Chapman NT- best floor at the position because he has played NT in college, stronger than Ngata coming out of college. Wow! Impressive toughness!
4) Leonard Johnson CB – there is not way I think he falls this low but if there you have to take him
5) Chris Rainey RB- takes over KR/PR from Brown allowing him to concentrate on WR and have less risk of injury. Provides mismatches at WR or RB and helps defensively on ST, blocked 6 punts in college, unlike Stephon Logan.

My draft has the Steelers adding offensive weapons to improve scoring. With today’s rules you can stop the run to make a team one dimensional or put up enough points to force them to pass.
I don’t have a ILB in my top 5, this means Foote can come back at less money and Sly can still improve. If Adams is taken I would take Hightower, because of his ability to immediately help the Steelers, and have an entirely different draft.

by Mike Liv on Feb 2, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions

No way we get a TE

Weslye Saunders is planned for being used in that role. Which is a precarious statement at best because we don’t use the TEs we do have effectively, why draft another? We have talent at the position its just under-utilized.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions

I should have elaborated.

Saunders might be being used for a big target in the middle of the field but his 6’5 frame is too tall to be an H-back. He also does not have mismatch speed, something Charles brings to the table. Heath Miller signed a six year contract in 2009 at 35.3 million with a 12.5 signing bonus. At the time it was a decent offer, unfortunately the contact was backloaded and the salary cap has not increased as expected. He is set to make about 7 mil this season followed by 8 and 9. He will not be released this season because the signing bonus penalty would be huge. Next season the team would save 4.25 million if he is released after June 30. Miller has exceptional hands but he has been injured a few times in the last few seasons, and he might be starting to slow a bit. I love Heath having met him his rookie season, I have two of his jerseys and feel he is the embodiment of a Steeler. The league has changed and so must the Steelers. Considering they interviewed Luke Stocker, lance Kendricks and DJ Williams at the combine last year I would say they are looking for a TE with some speed.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

Charles and Saunders

run the same 40 time from my understanding. Saunders is not a slow TE, just don’t see it homie.

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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 3, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

where are your facts to support this statement

Saunders ran a 4.81 Charles is expected to +/- 4.6 that is a huge difference.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=27215&slug=weslye-saunders&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d27215%26_slug_%3dweslye-saunders Saunders does not pose a mismatch with speed but with his size.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

The 4.81 might be a pro day

I am finding 4.96 for his combine. The only player I could find who is 6’5" and 260+ who can run 4.6 or less is Jimmy Graham. Even Pierre Paul ran a 4.71. The only TE who hit that speed are much lighter, around 250 or less. Saunders is more of a replacement for Miller rather than an H-back. Stocker, Kendricks, and Williams all ran sub 4.7 last year. Saunders has good speed not great.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions

Saunders was ineligible for the combine and draft.

Source

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions

did you mean this article?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sources-Weslye-Saunders-ineligible-for-draft-scouting-combine.html
Or is this one better?
http://www.sbnation.com/2011-nfl-draft/2011/2/26/2017252/2011-nfl-combine-weslye-saunders-injury
What information can you find concerning his 40 time?

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions

Nothing really. Just some mentions of his pro day 40. I never realized he was that slow. I was under the impression that he was faster.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions

No guards? I’d be pretty upset with that draft. Our scoring and offense will not improve unless the interior of our line does.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions

Colon or Gilbert move to guard

As SNW pointed out it would probably be Gilbert moving to LG. I cannot see having more than two new OL players going into a season. Also the Steelers have only drafted two OL in the top 5 rds once in the last 10 years. That was in 2010 when they took Chris Scott in the 5th when they had 3 fifth rd picks. That last time before that was 1998. Much of last seasons OL problems can be contributed to injury. While there is no doubt the starting OL could use improvement, you can’t go crazy trying to throw bodies at the problem. If that was the case we would be drafting a QB in the first rd after Ben’s injuries. Pouncey has had to watch the season end the last two seasons while injured, I think he will be playing with alot of fire.
Our scoring offense was down because a lack of turnovers and avg red zone scoring. A TE who creates mismatches will help greatly in the read zone. We also have to find a replacement for Antonio Brown on special teams if he is going to be a starter.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions

Also the Steelers have only drafted two OL in the top 5 rds once in the last 10 years.

What? Maurkice Pouncey. Marcus Gilbert. Chris Scott. Kraig Urbik. Tony Hills. Cameron Stephenson. Willie Colon. Trai Essex. Max Starks. Kendall Simmons. All of those guys were taken in the first 5 rounds by the Steelers in the last 10 years.

Much of last years OL problems were also contributed to the fact that we do not have a legit NFL guard anywhere on the roster. Legs is too small. Kemo is wildly inconsistent and a horrible pass blocker. Foster has a low ceiling and isn’t great in run blocking. Trai Essex isn’t much anywhere. And Gilbert is seen as the long term answer at one of the T positions, not G.

I’m not trying to “throw bodies” at a problem. I am trying to put talent where we have none. It was clear to me that a lot of times our offense pittered out because teams would get such an incredible push up the middle (see Suggs almost decapitating Ben several times up the middle).

We have a TE who has a really high ceiling in Saunders. Why are you trying to throw bodies at that position instead of giving him a chance?

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions

Ddi they draft 2 in the same year?

Just asking because that is how I read the comment.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions

Oh

Now I see, that was worded oddly. In that case, that’s kind of irrelevant. I don’t think they’ve ever been in as bad of position with OL as they are now. In the early 2000s they had a great line and they didn’t need to spend high picks there. Since Faneca left, things have gotten a lot worse.

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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions

I agree about Faneca leaving

The line has been address lately. Pouncey is a two time pro bower. I find it difficult to judge the line because they seldom were healthy at one time. I would say the line is getting better.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions

Thats a false staement

2001 they took a tackle in round four and a center in round five
1998 they took guard in the first and tackle in third

When was the last time we had multiple holes on the O-line
See we had Hartings an d Faneca, then needed an OT and drafted Smith, then needed a guard and drafted Simmons, then needed a RT and drafted Starks, then needed another RT ( Starks went to LT) and drafted Colon. It wasn’t till the 2008 that are line had major holes in it.

by Steel34D on Feb 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

What is a false statement?

The 10 years? 2012-2001=11
Or that I missed marking the 2001 when I said 1998, sorry for the gaff, I was not paying much atttention past 10 years.
If Adams is drafted @24, then Gilbert or Colon moves to guard. Two problems solved. That leaves one weak guard position and I believe the Steelers would rather have chemistry over adding 3 players at new positons.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions

Also keep in mind...

I would be passing on a guard to take Leonard Johnson who Mike Mayock has as his 4th corner and most boards have going in the second rd. Brooks has moved up to a 3rd round pick so if available in the 4th I would take him after Johnson. Do you feel better.

by Mike Liv on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

A trade down with the Eagles?

The Eagles are in a strange positon they have a ton of picks and few big needs. What they need is quality not quantity. A receiver to replace Jackson and a LB who can step in and make an immediate impact are needed. You might only find these in the first round. So the Eagles trade their 46,51 and 114 for the Steelers 24 and 88. The Steelers will have to make some tough cuts and additional pick gives a decent player at a low cost.

by Mike Liv on Feb 2, 2012 5:32 PM EST reply actions

I don't mock trades

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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

Lol

I just did one with nearly identical first 4 picks for the Steelers. That is hilarious in my opinion. Good first three picks I guess.

Couple of comments
Josh Chapman had ACL surgery on the January 21st so his stock will drop far
I think you have Brandon Brooks too low at the bottom of the fourth.

by Steel34D on Feb 2, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions

A couple of other things

I saw Nico Johnson there as far as I know he isn’t coming out for the 2012 draft.
Ben Jones will not go after Philip Blake
I don’t see Nigel Bradham any where on here why? He is definitely talented enough to go in the first 5 rounds.

by Steel34D on Feb 2, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions

Yep I just took Nico Johnson off my draft board

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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

If Hightower is available at#24

We take him over any available lineman. Hightower will have a higher draft grade (7.0) than most available lineman to fit our scheme. I would actually prefer Ta’amu in rd 2 over Poe in the first… I know nothing about his play ability, and scout reports are vague at best. Kelemete may not last to our pick in rd3 but would be a find there.

Overall though, if we landed these picks you have I would be a very happy camper

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by dmdjr1 on Feb 2, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions

Mark Barron and Dontari Po falling to middle of 2nd round???

WOW. Would be a suprise, but I guess draft day is always full of surprises.

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by SteelerMessican on Feb 3, 2012 6:06 AM EST reply actions

Like everypick

except Broyles. To be honest I don’t see where he could fit in. All our WR are short why would we add another short one? I’d like to get Marvin Jones.

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by Steel in FL on Feb 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions

OLineman never a sure bet..

Admittingly, I am not a mock draft guru, and I never really have time to watch alot of College ball due to working, but taking TWO OLineman with so many other needs would be very dangerous picks. For one, there just hasn’t been a team in the NFL who has picked 2 OL stars unless both in the 1st round, and two.. the Olineman rely on building chemistry which would really put next season in jeopardy with so many new faces. I’d prefer them to pick 1 Olineman and pick depth(future starters) on the D-Line.

Again, I speak positionally due to my lack of knowledge with college player info.

by KatNHat on Feb 3, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions