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Is Ben Roethlisberger a Prima Donna?

This could potentially be the shortest article in the history of Behind the Steel Curtain, because the pedantic answer is no. "Prima donna" is an Italian term with a feminine ending, and therefore refers to a woman. Ben could be a "primo uomo," but not strictly speaking a prima donna. In the same way he cannot be accused of being a diva, although he could be called a "divo."

However, I suspect most of you aren't here for an Italian lesson—you are either here to fuel your Roethlisberger rancor or to look for information showing him in a good light. So let's jump right in.

Star-divide

Both the terms "diva" and "prima donna" come from opera, and refer to the principal female singer. This is the lady (possibly fat) who gets the best arias, sings the high notes as she dies, and spends as much time on stage as possible. Back in the 18th and early 19th centuries the principal singers were expected to not only sing what the composer wrote but to throw in extra stuff of their own choosing. This extra music was "cadenzas" (fancy bits of music made up on the spot while the orchestra waited, sort of like a jazz solo.) But the principal singers often went a step farther, inserting one or more arias from completely different operas, chosen to show off their voices.

Putting in arias by different composers made the guy who wrote the opera pretty mad. But the producer didn't care. If the prima donna and/or the primo uomo were big enough names, they could pretty much do as they liked. They were the rock stars of their day.

The cadenzas made not only the composer but most everyone else mad, because they could go on for quite a while. Often the orchestra would have had time to go out for a beer. Or two. The longest cadenza on record, sung by Gaetano Crivelli at La Scala in 1815, went on for over 25 minutes. And you thought commercials were bad.

Crivelli was a primo uomo, being a tenor, but many of the most sought-after singers of the day were harder to classify. They were the castrati, men who had been—er, never mind. Let's just say they sang the women's roles. Football players may complain about what they suffer for the game, and rightly so, but I'll bet none of them have gone to those lengths.

Singers have not changed much since the 19th century, except for the castrati part, thankfully. When I first went to music school I soon learned to recognize the specialty of the other music students by just watching them walk down the halls. The trumpet players were boisterous, the horn players neurotic, the flute players thin and willowy, whether male or female, and the string players were mousy and frequently lacked personal hygiene skills. The singers were a breed apart. They took up more of the air in the room, and not because they were necessarily large. The days were even then departing when a singer could get away with weighing 300 pounds because they could sing well. Their personalities just dominated whatever space they were in.

This is true wherever you go. Some singers are nice and relatively normal and some are like the old joke. (Q: What's the difference between a soprano and a piranha? A: Lipstick.) But it takes a certain sort of personality to be willing to step onto a stage and sing in front of people when you're not in a karaoke bar. Your voice IS you. If you are a violinist and somebody doesn't like your playing you can blame your instrument. When you're a singer you may perhaps be able to develop better technique or more breath control, but your voice is what you've got, and you can't buy a better one. Supposedly the number one fear most people have is the fear of public speaking. Singing is like public speaking, only naked. And it's cold in the room.

A quarterback is the football equivalent of the starring singer. Basically, it's all on them. They couldn't be anonymous if they tried, and they wouldn't want to try, because it's who they are. Like singers, they may be nice, like Aaron Rodgers seems to be, or they may be cool, like Tom Brady seems to be until something annoys him, but they are first and foremost competitors. In short, they are the primo uomos.

There are other divos on the field, of course, just as there are the singers who have the supporting roles. Those would naturally be the wide receivers and, lately, the new hybrid model tight ends. And let's not forget the top-flight running backs either. There are also the singers who only made it into the chorus, and provide the backdrop for the main stars in anonymity, like the offensive line.

The analogy breaks down here, because often the singers in the chorus wish they were the stars, and they like to talk about the stars behind their backs in what may be a catty fashion. The stars also have backups, and I suspect some plotting goes on—casually loaning the star a handkerchief last used in the pulmonary ward, for example. I don't believe the Steelers culture fosters this, but I can think of teams where this might be a fair comparison. For fear of legal action, however, I won't mention any of them.

But let's return to Ben. He seems to be not only a primo uomo but an old-fashioned one. He takes the careful composition his coaches have crafted and embellishes it or even adds completely different elements. Some may think this is a necessity, but it's a preference. Don't take my word for it, though. You can hear it straight from the horse's mouth, taken from his latest interview with Mike Prisuta. (You can listen to the interview, and Prisuta's comments, here.)

When asked why he is insistent upon his style of "sandlot" quarterbacking, Roethlisberger said the following:

"...obviously just throwing touchdown passes is awesome. Five step drops, hit while I throw, make the completion, touchdown, that's awesome. But there's something a little bit fun about a guy hanging on your leg, and you push him off, and you scramble out, and a receiver breaks his route off, and the defense thinks they have you sacked, and the coach is yelling, and you throw a touchdown. There's just something a little special about that. I don't want to do those all of the time, but it's neat and fun to do. It's fun to see how it demoralizes the defense."

This piranha doesn't even have lipstick on. Note the basic answer; "It's more fun for me, and messes with the heads of those around me." Sort of like insisting on inserting an aria from another opera. It doesn't have anything to do with the plot of the opera you're performing, but it gets the audience excited!

Or how about this comment, when asked if the Steelers will still throw the ball a lot, or even most of the time:

"I hope so. Shoot, if we go no huddle, I'll make sure we do." And while he's at it, he may extend the play. Maybe even for a record 25 seconds or so!

When asked how the Steelers players might respond if Haley turned out to be a, shall we say, difficult person to get on with, Ben said:

"A good coach in my opinion knows how to coach players and each player. It's kind of the same way with me as a quarterback. Each guy gets motivated in a different way...they all need to be kind of led in a different way."

Translation: It's all about me.

Ben demonstrates the classic symptoms of primo uomoism, to coin a phrase. But is this a bad thing? Actually, I think it is not only not a bad thing but actually necessary. If he weren't, he wouldn't be a good quarterback, because it goes with the territory.

It takes a certain type of personality to be able to do the job of a quarterback well. It's possible to have the personality and not the talent, and naturally if this were the case you wouldn't be any good, but I believe if you have the talent but not the personality you won't be a success either, at least not at the "elite" level. He has to have confidence in his ability to make things happen and a fierce desire to win.

Like any reasonably sensible singer, he will listen to his coaches and directors as long as he's convinced they can help him do what he loves best—win, and be a star in the process—more effectively. Sure, he's a diva, but he's our diva, and his ultimate aim is exactly the same as the aim of his coaches and of Steeler Nation—a Super Bowl ring for each of the remaining four fingers.

If believe if Todd Haley is smart he will work to persuade Ben of his ability to help the players to be their best, in the best way for them. Some people may not like Ben's comments, but they are honest. A more subtle man than Ben might couch his remarks more tactfully, but there is a great advantage in knowing where he stands. Ben has won a lot of games for the Steelers, and deserves some consideration to be given to his opinions. Haley has to win his trust, and I hope he starts soon. Here's one last comment from Ben:

Asked if he had been yelled at personally, Ben said "plenty...it's not fun to be yelled at, I don't think anyone likes it, but to me you get just as much, if not more, out of me if you just talk to me whether I screw up or do good. Just talk to me, so we can work through the reason I'm getting yelled at."

Translation: "I'm almost 30 years old, I've been doing this a long time, and I'm pretty good at it, so treat me like an adult." Which seems entirely reasonable, even for a prima donna.

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Brilliant work, Mama Rollett !!!

How long ago this was?

Ben’s antics comes with the territory. I don’t care if he’s got Prima Donna type personality! He gave us One for the Thumb after 26 year wait, and then added Six Pack. In my books, he’s an Elite QB. Wouldn’t trade him for another one. Even if he’ll commit adultery or have another sex with hotel employee or a girl who writes on her T-shirt “Down to Fcuk”, I’m perfectly ok with that. Cuz we all know that those ladies are after his money.

Go Ben !!!

by Bonek on Feb 20, 2012 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

Er,

I don’t think that being a prima donna and being a bad person are necessarily synonymous at all, and I’m really hoping that Ben has put all of that behind him. I’m not sure that the Rooneys would agree with you either. I don’t think Ben really has any more chances in that department.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the post, Rebecca

How many mock drafts can you read? Yep, a prima donna isn’t necessarily a bad person unless others are harmed as a result of being self absorbed. Prima donna in today’s culture usually means a very temperamental person with an inflated view of their own talent or importance (google).

A lot of us fall into this category, not just a $100 m quaterbacks or largish female opera singers. Mirite?

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by IronJake on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Bravo! Bravo! Bravissimo!

Simply loved it, Rebecca. Totally on point, and entertaining, as well.

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by Homer J. on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and IF he is...

so what! Just win baby!!

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by nycsteelerfan on Feb 20, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

Love him or hate him

(and I do both), he’s our guy. And not just in the “he’s not going anywhere” sense, but in that his talents, faults, personality, etc seem uniquely suited to this team, the city of Pittsburgh and the Steeler diaspora. I can scream when he kills a drive by taking a bad sack and still cheer when he extends a play and converts a 3rd and long. I cringe when he (or the team) hints at all of his nagging injuries that he is “heroically” playing through and still acknowledge that he is a tuff summabitch who will leave it all on the field because, yeah, he thinks he’s better than his back-ups. And I can deplore the crimes he was accused of, and his behavior that put him in situations where he could even be accused. But I can respect and even admire the quiet way he seems to have gone about addressing the deeply personal issues he’s identified as getting him into trouble.

I don’t think Steeler Nation will ever fall head over heels in love with a QB. It’s not in our nature, or our football DNA. Bradshaw gave us four rings and we’re still somewhat “meh” about the guy. Give us Franco, the Bus, Mean Joe, either of the Jacks, Troy, Mel or the Silverback. Those are the players and positions we’ll unconditionally appreciate. We’re never going to be 100% down with a position that requires the attitude and personality that Mrs Rowlett accurately describes. Just get us #7, #7, and we’ll all be fine with that.

(LOVE the music history info, too, btw – great analogy)

by s1rude on Feb 20, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Great points,

and it is especially interesting about Steeler Nation not falling head over heals in love with a QB. I hadn’t thought about that, but it makes sense. Glad you enjoyed the music history : )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s a Pre-Madonna

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Give you credit on that one, brilliant comeback.

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Just having some fun :)

But in all honesty if Ben keeps taking 40 sacks a year he’s gonna look like madonna did, stiff and rigid and unable to move fluidly for 10 minutes

by Mechem on Feb 20, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet Ben listening to “Like A Virgin” before every game.

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

More "Like a Surgeon"

when he’s disecting Baltimores D in 2012

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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, not sure you can get any worse than 6 turnovers in 2 games like he did.

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

as I recall every year is different

or atleast thats something close to what you have said in the past. What happens this year is all I worry about, concerning yous guys.

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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 20, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely. Can’t wait for another showdown. Hopefully we get a MNF matchup this year.

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably make us open up back to back.

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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 20, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Back to back on the road?

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

No

opening day our place, week 2 at your place

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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be insane. I think Baltimore hosts New England for the first MNF game of the year.

"Picture Me Rollin"

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Big game

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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

very cool

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by rainman d on Feb 20, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Hit that one outta the park Mechem

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by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

OUCH!

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by John Stephens on Feb 21, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he is or maybe he isnt

I will say this about Ben; After a loss he puts alot of the blame on himself ,or as an entire team including himself, never pointing at one particular player. After a victory he credits the entire team for the victory and goes on to praise individuals for a stellar play. The bottom line is that if your gonna be a prima donna you better be surrounded by a great team. GO STEELERS

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by rainman d on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

Absolutely right, rainman -

that’s one of the things I really appreciate about Ben is that he doesn’t throw his teammates under the bus, unlike some other QBs. But I’m not trying to imply that a prima donna would necessarily do that sort of thing. It’s just the type of personality I was discussing, not how it plays out in given individuals.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I understood:-)

I just wanted to give Ben some offseason cudos LOL

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by rainman d on Feb 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo! Is that what they say at the end of a good opera, Rebecca?

What other football site can you get a lesson on music? Try that, Peter King!

Is Ben a Prima Donna? Probably, and yes, he’s confident. But you want your star quarterback to be a little cocky and arrogant. Like Dan Fouts said, “you don’t want your quarterback to be a milk toast.” I don’t know what a milk toast is, but I’m pretty sure it has something to do with being a wimp.

As for having an contentious relationship with his coach. I remember watching a story on Bart Starr, the Hall of Fame quarterback of those legendary Packers teams from the 60’s, and he discussed the dynamics of his relationship with Vince Lombardi early in his career, and how Lombardi would yell and scream at him in front of his teammates. Finally, Star went to Lombardi’s office one day and I don’t remember the exact quote, but he said something along the lines of, “how can you expect me to lead this team when you yell at me in front of those guys all the time? Don’t ever scream at me again.” He said Lombardi never yelled at him in front of his teammates for the rest of his career.

My point is, the quarterback is the natural leader. His guys look to him to be their leader. If he’s being belittled and chastised by his coach at every turn, naturally, they’re not going to respect him. Let’s hope Haley “gets that” before his first film meeting with his offense.

And finally, Big Ben extending plays. There is no doubt he loves this. I remember reading a newspaper article shortly after the 2008 AFC Championship game (no offense, Malor), where a Ravens defender said that Big Ben almost wanted the defender to beat his man because he enjoyed making the defender look foolish before making a play down field.

For the life of me, I can never understand where a quarterback extending a play is considered a bad thing. Why is it OK for the Bradys and Mannings of the world to turtle at the first sign of a collapsed pocket, but if someone like Ben has the ability to move out of danger and make a play down the field, this is kind of considered a weakness, and one of the reasons he’s always behind the agove mentioned elite qbs in the pecking order.

Does Roethlisberger have to take less sacks? Well, duh! But I think that will be achieved more efficiently by ridding the offensive line of names like Keomeatu and guys like him. If the team does that, I believe those sack totals will magically diminish, and Big Ben won’t have to extend plays as often.

by Anthony Defeo on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

It's actually Milquetoast

and it refers to a cartoon character, Caspar Milquetoast who was a very timid and wimpy type person. People who are referred to as being Milquetoast are thought to be weak and ineffectual and quite plain with no sense of adventure. The creator of Caspar once referred to him as being the type of person that spoke softly and got hit with a big stick! All attributes of what Big Ben is not.

by Glider024 on Feb 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And I believe the name the creator made up

comes from “milk toast” – in other words, warm milk poured over toast, which was considered appropriate fare for invalids.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for maybe

getting hit repeatedly with a “big (d-lineman) stick”.

by Larrybob8187 on Feb 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the Internets fault.

…Beware!…its the beginning of the Rise of the Machines…first it was the the flashing of the “check engine” light to teach us to respond to their needs…then the subtle mis-directions to control the flow of information, and pretty soon with all these new interactive televisions, who will be controlling whom?

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by PaVaSteeler on Feb 21, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Those with the money control those without. Well, until there is revolution and then the internet becomes the universe.

by IronJake on Feb 21, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The machines require no money...

…didn’t you see the Matrix?

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by PaVaSteeler on Feb 21, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya, but...

Ben’s ability to extend the play is great when his receivers have room to operate, but he LIKES to extend plays and when we get inside the 20, where the receivers don’t have room, he is still trying to extend the play instead of taking what he’s given. That’s when being a (self centered) Prima Donna hurts. Ben wants to win but wants to look good doing it. I love Ben…but I believe his attitude has more to do with the Steelers not scoring in the Red Zone than the O line or play calling.

by HWG Steelers HWG on Feb 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, but...

put another person in his situation (Mainly the O-Line is being a sieve). Would other QB’s take responsibility for the loss? Yeah, some. But some would become a locker room cancer and start a contentious relationship with the OL, not willing to take the blame for things.

Ben doesn’t.

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 20, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

+7

The harshest thing I’ve ever heard him say was we all need to play better. Never has thrown them under the bus.

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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 20, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

As long as he isn't Devo.

This is a wonderful article Momma. I love how you weave knowledge, wisdom and opinion with just the right amount of humour to produce a formidable yet enjoyable piece.

With regards to castrati in football, I am fairly certain there is at least one CFL player who has given his all in a game but come back (not in the same game obviously) to play again. I can’t remember his name but think he is/was playing for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Perhaps one of my fellow Canadians can remember the individual.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Ouch!

A singer currently staying with us informed me that the coach at her high school was short a testicle from a sports-related accident, and told the story every year as a way to encourage the boys to wear their cups…

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Piece!!!

Excellent writing… great wit, great points, and thoroughly entertaining!!! Really enjoyed reading it……. and while this may be a far less classy analogy, it seems obvious Ben is “marking his territory” before Haley starts barking too loudly.

by St.Nick on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Nice!

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Like the time I took Bart to the opera and he asked...

…“is that one fat enough for you?”

By the end of every season, Ben is more than fat enough for you. It’s hard to keep in shape when you have three broken ankles, a sore shoulder, four high ankle sprains, post-concussion syndrome, 17 broken ribs, a sore shoulder, dengue fever, and the yaws.

Ben Roethlisberger plays hurt and he is nearly superhero indestructible. No one questions his heart. It’s his head that’s too damn hard, and needs a good smack upside.

Whether it’s the motorcycle or taking a third down sack to move the team out of field goal position, he has a tendency to do short-sighted and selfish things. His bride has made a big difference in his life, but she’s not much help between the sidelines.

Hopefully, Todd Haley will be able to go upside Ben’s head and smack a little more common sense in there. As Foghorn Leghorn once said, “Pay attention son. It’s for your own good!”

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by Homer J. on Feb 20, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Good Post Homer.

Once that respect factor is in place – we are on our way to #7.

by Allen F on Feb 20, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest I didnt read it, it looks very long and Im too lazy

So I would just like to say GO STEELERS and burn in hell Jerry Jones

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by Big-dawg on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Well, at least you're honest...

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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

1. I don’t care, 3 Super Bowls and 2 rings. My primary interests are to win and to be entertained, and he does both better than anybody.
2. I haven’t heard any players or coaches complain about him disrupting the locker room, so seems that all is OK.

by jedmiller71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

For those of you that are fairly new and don't know me yet,

I love Ben. This post came out of a conversation between myself and Neal Coolong, and we thought it would help fill the idle moments between now and the draft : )

He is, of course, a prima donna, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing, as long as he doesn’t create problems in the locker room. Which he did for a while, until Charlie Batch took him to one side and thumped some sense into his head. That helped, but the full change didn’t happen, I gather, until “the troubles” in 2010. At that point Ben made some big changes, or so it seems. He appears to be a much better teammate. He was always okay with “his guys,” but now he has made a point to cultivate the defensive players, the rookies, and so on. This is bound to be an improvement.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article ……and thanks for comments Homer J. … I wonder if Jethro Gibbs slaps upside the head could get Ben to improve his approach to the game. His opinion of himself and his approach to the game seems from the school of…“Shut up and leave me alone…..I know best” ! Possibly his intellectual mediocrity not only prevents him from making quick and incisive decisions on the field, (thus necessitating the need to hold the ball, extending plays, until someone opens up for him), but also could prevent him from accepting “coaching” aimed at improving his play and..as a result…an improved team performance !!

by Ernie F on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like You, Homer J and I are on the same page - to Ernie F

I REALLY like Ben as a QB, and think that he is as talented as anyone in the game today. But he HAS to start thinking better and not try to do “everything” on “every play”. I don’t like the fact that everyone looks at him like he is Superman and can stay in the game despite being injured. I want him to ply a full season without having any “serious” injury. I do not want to see him retire and be a cripple the rest of his life. These injuries will catch up with you later in life and you will be introduced to “Arthur” (better known as “severe” arthritis). I hope that Todd Haley will slap him upside the head (verbally) if needed and that Ben will understand the reasoning behind it – and heed it. Ben is blessed with talented receivers and runners – and a better than average OL IF they don’t have to hold their blocks for 6 to 7 seconds. Our OL did fail him at times, but he over-taxed their ability to hold a block on many occasions because he refused to throw the ball away or dump it off. IMHO he can surpass Brees’ record (without throwing 50-60 times a game) IF he plays smart this upcoming season.

by Allen F on Feb 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Great read

Super article and I agree with your conclusions.

Ben has to be a little cockey, arrogant, etc or he would be an average shmo QB.

I think Ben will do fine with Haley. Better play calling, and sets to maximize our WR/RB’s talents along with Bens ability to improvise. The sky could be the limit.

by MrZoot on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Singers have not changed much since the 19th century, except for the castrati part (not counting the 80’s), thankfully

"I think the beard will decide when the time is right to come back. It will know when the time is right and all of a sudden appear." -The Deisel

by count'em_six on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

The BeeGees

They weren’t castrati. They just sounded like it.

anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 20, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They weren’t castrati.

…but they should have been, to prevent propogation of their kind of singing.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Feb 21, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Prima Donna BB is Not!

In my neighborhood a prima donna was someone who would not want to work, not get their hands dirty. Wanted AND got everyone else to do the proverbial heavy lifting.

I have and been a bit critical of BB as a ‘passer’ due to seemingly taking too long to get rid of the ball and reaction time to blitzes to locate recievers etc…but accusing him of being anything close to a prima donna is crazy.

He has done more than his share of the heavy lifting. In my opinion, this guy was told by the Chin dont throw too much. During the advent of a pass happy offense we decide to put up a broken down oline in front of him and ask him to be a 4000 plus passer. It is impossible to think that he did not feel like he had to do more at times- usually paying off nice dividends. Look at his injuries, prima donnas dont get up after the punishment he has endured; they miss half the season.

In terms of attitude and approach to the game, perhaps his future will determine that. I do believe he will adapt through the changes in OCs the great ones do. Right now Ben is a very good QB. The question he will answer in the next 3- 5 years, provided he is healthy enough is- does he dare to be great?

I know a few things- I know BB will never be a pure passer a la Marino, Brady, Manning (P). But I also know he is not a P.D. Some of you wont remember the beatings and hits Bradshaw endured. BB has endured more. Clear to me there are 31 other starting QB that would be tagged with the monniker before BB.

Impose your will.

by ALDOG on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously

not everyone has the same mental definition of a prima donna. My definition certainly does not include anyone who “won’t get their hands (or jerseys) dirty.” The definition I’m thinking of has to do with a “super-large” personality type, but says nothing about their work ethic. In fact, any singer that makes it to prima donna status has worked very hard indeed.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

True definition utilized!

But carries such a negative tone these days much like the term DIva receiver.:)

Impose your will.

by ALDOG on Feb 20, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben prima

No more than any other QB Mannings Brady Rodgers Oh yeah

by royhobbs9 on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

He can be whatever the hell he wants as long as he keeps playing at an elite level.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Nice!

Are the hats to protect them from alien transmissions?

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 20, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that is the new

helmet suggested by Goodell for the upcoming season. It colapses if you lead with the crown thus protecting the hit-ee.

by Larrybob8187 on Feb 20, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do you guys come up with this crap?! If you don’t have something to write about don’t bother writing it! This is football, not opera or an Italian language class.

by steely12 on Feb 20, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

I believe it's called metaphor

you know, translating a concept into a new context to see if it yields unexpected results. But then again, I guess Hail Mary is just a bunch of Catholic announcers getting a bit overexuberant.

"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."

-- so says Rex Ryan.

by sctx109 on Feb 20, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Then don't read it...

…and I, for one, take offense at you calling Ms. Rollett’s article “crap”. If you can’t appreciate the deeper aspects of life and football, and how they are intertwined, maybe you should go back to Yahoo Sports.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Feb 20, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

let him go read more from chris chase

keiselsbeard

by rainman d on Feb 20, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Go eat a Snickers Steely12

you apparently missed your snack.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

1Blk. Where ya been? How’z things?

I don't get it, I've bought my wife a vacuum cleaner for Valentine's day four years in a row, and she still doesn't understand.......
just how much I love her

by FrankWyt on Feb 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Frank! Been busy at work but other than that~ I have nothing to complain about! How about yourself!

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh you know, just keepin it gangsta….

By the way, dead on about what you said down there. It takes exactly what you said to be a QB, especially one for a team like the Steelers, and Ben’s got it.

I don't get it, I've bought my wife a vacuum cleaner for Valentine's day four years in a row, and she still doesn't understand.......
just how much I love her

by FrankWyt on Feb 20, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

+7 and Rec'd (again)...

…excellent article Ms. Rollett. Ben does appear to embody an “internal conflict” that all complex protagonists in classical opera exhibit, and we’ve seen both the “good Ben” and the “bad Ben” behaviors over his career. Hopefully he is approaching the time in his life where he leverages the strengths of both into a synergistic improvement of himself, both on and off the field.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Feb 20, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

yeah maybe they can make an opera out of it!

so long as it doesnt turn into a soap opera.

Impose your will.

by ALDOG on Feb 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

too late!

Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII

by SteeladyinVA on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

And why is that?

I don't get it, I've bought my wife a vacuum cleaner for Valentine's day four years in a row, and she still doesn't understand.......
just how much I love her

by FrankWyt on Feb 20, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously not. Why won’t he be one much longer? Is this relating to Haley or something?

I don't get it, I've bought my wife a vacuum cleaner for Valentine's day four years in a row, and she still doesn't understand.......
just how much I love her

by FrankWyt on Feb 20, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If you don't get that

I can’t help you but rest assured you will get it soon enough.

by riverhorse_2000 on Feb 20, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why don’t you just explain what you mean? If you really think Haley is just going to come in here and start running shit, you are mistaken. I have seen how much you over rate Haley’s ability, and in this situation you are over rating his “bad ass” tendencies. Ben has actually accomplished something in the NFL, he’s not going to be talked down to by some hot head nobody.

I don't get it, I've bought my wife a vacuum cleaner for Valentine's day four years in a row, and she still doesn't understand.......
just how much I love her

by FrankWyt on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh.. a Chiefs fan

Maybe you’re not aware of how things are done in Pittsburgh… Haley is given an opportunity: to shine or go down in flames. It might well be his last opportunity in the NFL, who knows. One thing we do know, it doesn’t matter who you are, player or coach; if you think you’re going to stroll in and do it “your way” vs. the Steelers Way, you’re doomed to fail.

The organization made it quite nicely before you and they’ll continue to make it nicely after you’re nothing more than a memory… don’t think for one second that Haley’s “past behavior” wasn’t addressed and a blueprint of how he’s GOING TO BEHAVE hasn’t been given to him. He might be the best Offensive mind to ever hit Pittsburgh; but he isn’t the one throwing the strikes to the wideouts. Ben has clout, too.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 20, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly. I can’t imagine why someone would think Haley is going to come in and have people cower before him. The NFL respects success, not loud voices.
But, you put it way better than I could.
Haley is Jason Newstead, the Steelers are Metallica.

I don't get it, I've bought my wife a vacuum cleaner for Valentine's day four years in a row, and she still doesn't understand.......
just how much I love her

by FrankWyt on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it

With some luck , maybe the Steelers and Metallica will be playing at the superbowl. I could watch the game and enjoy the halftime show too

keiselsbeard

by rainman d on Feb 21, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I was trying to "Rec" this, but somehow it won't load.

Arians is gone for exactly the same reason. He was told to run the ball more in 2010, and they gave him another year and a whole stable of good running backs, (albeit an injured and inexperienced OL) but he ignored the dictum from Art II and no he is in Colt land with no QB and probably won’t last there either,

Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII

by SteeladyinVA on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Arians is gone because his creative genius has dementia… but I’m sure it didn’t help that he opted to do it “his way”.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 20, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It takes a certain mindset, confidence and yes, arrogance to be a QB… I’m glad mine has them all.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you don't know Ben very well. Haley is the one that won't be much longer if he doesn't get along with Ben.

Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII

by SteeladyinVA on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

geez Reply fail.

Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII

by SteeladyinVA on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

Great write up Momma, one of your best & most entertaining in a long while!

I especially enjoyed it, as having recently been the Resident Director for two years at one of the premier summer music festivals in the country. You couldn’t have been more spot on with your personality/quirk assessments of the music/vocal artists. One thing I found fascinating was the level of condescension and disdain the Prima Dona had for anyone, while the entire lot of vocalists disdained, in general, most every musician. Unless, of course, they were doing a duet with said musician, and that duet meant a lot in the overall standings for top dog honors at the festival. Fascinating, a while different, ultra-competitive world!

Thank you for this…great fun to read!

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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 20, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Haley Should Be the One Manning Up

Haley should be the one who picks up the phone to talk to Big Ben. At least Ben won a couple of Super Bowls. What has Haley won? I didn’t think so…

by Scott Burks on Feb 22, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Todd Haley

Take it from a Chiefs fan living in the Dallas area, Haley is a Diva coach. Bad enough we have Diva players but Haley (along with his evil twin Josh McDaniels) is a diva. Sadly his hiring in KC only extended our suffering.

He usually does better with adult supervision. I remember though with Parcells down here he sat by idly while Keyshawn Johnson started fights with teammates and then Haleys ultimate highlight was his Rat Salad incident at a Southlake, TX McDonalds where he threatend to jump over the counter and beat everyone down.

He may do well, you guys have talent and the Steelers are his dream organization for obvious reasons but I would sleep with one eye open as far as Haley is concerned.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Great Post!

Appreciate the unique insight.

by Hoge Rules on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

GREAT Post!

You brought up Tom Brady in passing, but this viewpoint really highlights the reason for a lot of Brady’s success. On the field, anyway, he’s a guy who sings the notes and doesn’t try to embellish. He’s the kind of quarterback that Chuck Noll would’ve loved, but he can’t take over a game and turn the tide single-handedly like Ben can.

by Steelgator on Mar 2, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions  


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